What a wide range of answers. It comes down to this:

1. Go for what you want, if you want to dance closer/non-friends with her do it. If she isn't down, go do something else.

2. When you dance with a girl there should be nothing else. It should be as if nobody is in the room, nobody else exists. Even when I dance with a female friend this is the case (unless we are dancing in a group). Sure you have to watch out for bumping into people or tripping on something, but otherwise it should be obvious to everyone else that you're in your own world. If a guy starts dancing to close to your girl or tries to cut in, you whisk her away.

EVEN IF you're only friends and nothing else, dancing is supposed to be led by the man. If you are not leading a girl, you are not dancing. Part of leading is leading her away from other guys/people and having your situational awareness on point. She should be lost in the moment and enjoy following.

3. The guy knew you were not leading and not a sexual option for the girl. He essentially cut in and was mildly rude about it. Seems like a normal closing time club type situation when you're not putting it down right. This is not an AMOG type situation as you in no way made it clear you were leading or trying to get with the girl. You AMOG'ed yourself if anything.

Soon as the guy touched me I'd grab his forearm like I was going to break it stare him in the eye and say if he touches me again I am going bust a fucking a tall glass on his face when he isn't watching and play with his blood on the floor.

That very last part is ripped from Mystery in The Game.

Yeah I'd go beserk, I am not getting touched against my will. It's the principle.

Yes I did train under Little Dark.

Quote: (01-20-2015 03:53 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Soon as the guy touched me I'd grab his forearm like I was going to break it stare him in the eye and say if he touches me again I am going bust a fucking a tall glass on his face when he isn't watching and play with his blood on the floor.

That very last part is ripped from Mystery in The Game.

Yeah I'd go beserk, I am not getting touched against my will. It's the principle.

Yes I did train under Little Dark.

Can't tell if you're joking or not, but there have been other responses similar to this.

You guys really would go to a CLUB environment and expect to fight a guy for patting you on the back?

If you don't want to be touched against your will, you shouldn't be at a club. There are hundreds of touches happening per hour that are against people's will. When it should be a problem is if it continues to happen or if the guy is really disrespecting you/insulting you hardcore.

I've never had a guy actually fight me for such innocuous contact in a club environment. Seems like internet grandstanding.

^

If he has his arm on my back and tries to box me out by physically trying to move me, that's not happening in America where I know the rules. Foreign country I don't know? Yeah I'd just take the L.

As I get older I just don't give a fuck. Going to die anyway, rather live every day with pride in myself. Not be concessional.

The problem with Little Dark game is that it always ends with a hug close.

As I spend more time going out and getting refamiliarized with the "scene" out there, I am less affected by a concern for what other gys are doing. Maybe it's because I'm getting a little older or because most of the guys at these club/bars that have the girls are hipster pansies. I don't get offended by guys trying to game but I'll be damned if some guy tries to fuck with my game.

That being said, I just know that if I'm 100% on my game, I'm not going to get bitched by some guy trying to steal my girl. If a guy tried I'd use a version of the line from Bang where you call the guy out candidly and encourage him to "keep trying!"

After that, as Roosh says, he's done.


On a side note, I'm prepared to fight if it comes to that. I'm working on getting a bail-bondsman on lock, a lawyer that I trust, and an understanding of where the jail is and shit like that. Having a plan for the worst makes you feel more chill in the moment.

LMAO Suits great post.

Quote: (01-19-2015 06:00 AM)Noir Wrote:  

You AMOG'ed yourself before he even came by dancing like a 'friend'.

He smelled weakness and intervened.

You live and learn, this is a good lesson to learn from.

I was going to say something like this.

To ad, you failed by not making a move earlier in the night.

You should have tested the guy saying this is my gf to see how he would respond, And also how the girl would respond.

@Travesty, why would you be so hostile? Honestly I hate that shit and this type of thing can be resolved without threats and having to show how 'ALPHA' you are. Also it just shows insecurity that you have to protect a girl that much.

Seriously has RVF turned into The View?

Some guy tries to get between me and the gazelle I am trying to put the kill on, places his arm on my back and says "sorry just gotta do this" then shoves me over?

I'm not gonna go for the jugular? Guys like this aren't used to guys pulling the hatchet on them. Am I taking crazy pills? Man you can't even stand your ground against one goon in a club how can you stand against bigger things in life. If you are going to confront a bully you don't do it half ass. You make it known this isn't going to be a walk in the park.

I've seen bar fights. I've been in bar fights. You know what happens? Shove. Shove. Swing, someone grabs for someone's neck. The bouncers come you are both gone. Big deal. I'd look at myself much happier in the mirror the next day than trying to pull some "witty comeback".

For Christ's sake.

The girl is a friend so why would you stand your ground?

If she was your gf you tell him that its simple mate.

But seems like you are the type of guy that loves any excuse to get into a fight. Trying to escalate it immediately because you are butthurt for being cutout?

Alright I am going to go take my estrogen now so I can calm down, thanks for the advice.

Quote: (01-20-2015 04:08 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

^

If he has his arm on my back and tries to box me out by physically trying to move me, that's not happening in America where I know the rules. Foreign country I don't know? Yeah I'd just take the L.

As I get older I just don't give a fuck. Going to die anyway, rather live every day with pride in myself. Not be concessional.

If the guy tried to knock you over or shove you then your reaction would be a bit more understandable, but I took "box out" in context to be simply that the guy moved in between the girl and him, essentially blocking him from seeing/dancing with the girl. If he pushed him aside or shoved him that's different, of course.

Quote: (01-20-2015 05:22 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Seriously has RVF turned into The View?

Some guy tries to get between me and the gazelle I am trying to put the kill on, places his arm on my back and says "sorry just gotta do this" then shoves me over?

I'm not gonna go for the jugular? Guys like this aren't used to guys pulling the hatchet on them. Am I taking crazy pills? Man you can't even stand your ground against one goon in a club how can you stand against bigger things in life. If you are going to confront a bully you don't do it half ass. You make it known this isn't going to be a walk in the park.

I've seen bar fights. I've been in bar fights. You know what happens? Shove. Shove. Swing, someone grabs for someone's neck. The bouncers come you are both gone. Big deal. I'd look at myself much happier in the mirror the next day than trying to pull some "witty comeback".

For Christ's sake.

Who cares, it's just a broad.

I would rather not get carried away.

Quote: (01-20-2015 05:28 PM)Travesty444 Wrote:  

Alright I am going to go take my estrogen now so I can calm down, thanks for the advice.

Travesty444, I see where you're coming from. I think we can all be honest enough to admit that deep down inside (primal instinct) we'd rather kick the living shit out of this guy.

But is it the right move in this environment? I mean, how many times have we heard the story of these things going wrong.

Your actions should have been guided by HER reaction to this intervention. If she was taken aback or apprehensive, you should have grabbed her arm, pulled her close and asked her if she was OK with just what went down. Let her make the decision rather than coming across as butt hurt, but at the same time project an aura of confidence. However, if she looked like she enjoyed the attention, pat the guy on the shoulder, smile and walk off. But, you need to have sufficient social acuity to gauge the situation in a split second.

No doubt what he did was disrespectful. If she was a half way decent girl, she would have shut the interloper down without any input from you. Which begs the question, what did she do?

Quote: (01-21-2015 03:38 AM)lowside Wrote:  

But is it the right move in this environment? I mean, how many times have we heard the story of these things going wrong.

By right move, I don't think I would kick the guy's ass just because he put his hand on my shoulder and said something. Standing ground is different from instigating a fight. He challenged you, you challenge him back. A simple "I don't think so" would likely ground most guys. I've done it before. If he wants to then get physical, his choice, fuck him up. Just another example of "frame."

I started as a bitch in these situations but more masculine now. They don't expect masculine. It fucks them up; most guys don't know how to react and don't expect to be challenged back.

And screw what the girl thinks or does. Are we really basing our decision making on girls reactions? Come on.

I like some of the responses here that are funny and basically tease the guy and girl at the same time.

I honestly have no idea how to respond, I must do it naturally. Every time I've had a guy attempt an AMOG on me, it's failed, mainly due to the girl having no interest in them, most of the time I say absolutely nothing, I ignore the guy like they don't exist and this leads to some funny responses by the girls. However those have all been in situations where I've been gaming the girl. Problem is here you weren't so I feel that you were destined to lose this no matter what you did.

Quote: (01-21-2015 04:41 AM)Atticus Wrote:  

Your actions should have been guided by HER reaction to this intervention.

If you need a girl to stand up for you to a guy that's more alpha than you then that girl is not going home with you.

I asked some dude about AMOGs the other day and he said when alpha male interlopers try a robbery, he just takes the girl by the hand and takes her elsewhere.

Ignore interlopers, isolate target.

Being a noob at the game I can see your problem already .... you didn't show you were just some beta orbiter. You can't do much in such situation just don't be a beta orbiter. Initiate kino, when you're dancing make her spin or come up near you etc and get physical. Srop being friendly guy and get what you want.


Other guy with the gf.. best idea is to just get off the dancefloor tbh. If it's more than 1 guy and acting like that there's a good chance that you'll be stomped. Just get her by the hand and lead away.. even if it's another place.

Quote: (01-17-2015 06:19 PM)bewater Wrote:  

This happened to me once with gf. There are drunk big meatheads in clubs and they think they rule the club. I was lightly dancing with my girl and this big guy(almost twice as me) just started to dance near me in front of gf and more and more he was pushing in front of her. Other guys hit on her in front of me and told me they will take her home...and shit like that, just because they were physically superior and they were so drunk and stupid thinking they have a chance.

She's your girlfriend... just grab her and make out in front of them. They'll get the drift.

Always be ready to lose the girl if you hang at the clubs. Most pua's I know don't even take their girls to the clubs. In this case your girl wasn't even into you, otherwise she would have considered the guys aggressiveness over the top and insulting.

You said it yourself, you were in the friend zone. This meant that she had no objections to other guysAchenbach Syndrome because no connection was established with you. Just like you, women have their radar on, hoping for some hot dude to carry them off to the bedroom. This you did not do.

In my experience you have less than an hour to form a connection with a woman in a bar. If you do not, someone else will. Yes, I get it, it hurts, especially when you really liked the girl.

You should practice seducing women with kino escalation. Generally, you should be able to connect deeply with a girl in an hour, so when Mr. Dip Shit comes along like a big ofus, she will repel his advances and come back to you. The best thing you could have said is, "Whoa, dude, we're practicing something here, you'll have to wait." Pat him on the shoulder when you do this. Then immediately turn and continue dancing, while moving her away to the other side of the dance floor. If she doesn't respond but responds to him instead, well, what else can you do? You struck out. There's good news, however, this isn't the World Series. There are other women just as attractive as her. Come out the next night and step up to the plate. You may go through this same scenario a number of times before you figure out how to back the guy off. If the guy wants to fight, just turn and grab the girl by the hands. Say, "I think there's a drink waiting for us over there." And then lead her away. If he won't leave you along, fight his ass.

It's okay to fight, my friends. Yeah. Get your mojo on if the guy is that big of a creep. If you take a black eye so what. If you can't hack it maybe you should become a day time pua or online pua. Lose the fear. Getting hit doesn't hurt as bad as you might think it does. I used to box in the ring. Getting hit in the face hurts less than a spanking on the ass with a paddle and that's the truth.

Simplest answer is: don't dance with girls you're not trying to fuck. She has enough friends, don't waste your time on this nonsense. The guy had you pegged as a beta orbiter, and there will be many more like him if you go to clubs 'as friends'.

She's not in the club looking for 'friends', bud.

Quote: (01-21-2015 04:41 AM)Atticus Wrote:  

Your actions should have been guided by HER reaction to this intervention. If she was taken aback or apprehensive, you should have grabbed her arm, pulled her close and asked her if she was OK with just what went down. Let her make the decision rather than coming across as butt hurt, but at the same time project an aura of confidence. However, if she looked like she enjoyed the attention, pat the guy on the shoulder, smile and walk off. But, you need to have sufficient social acuity to gauge the situation in a split second.

No doubt what he did was disrespectful. If she was a half way decent girl, she would have shut the interloper down without any input from you. Which begs the question, what did she do?

This is by far the worst reply. Cringe inducing.

"Are you OK with what just happened, hon? Do you want that big hunk over there to plow you while I watch in the corner?"

LOL

The thing is, when out trying to swoop, especially in dance floor type environments, you must be ready for confrontation. It doesn't mean you have to go nuclear any time someone tries to move in on your territory, but you must be prepared to do so.

Also, don't smile. Guys with a serious expression rarely get fucked with no matter their size.

My response to this type of thing is to clown on the aggressor, as DOBA said. It puts them off guard because they're assuming you will just fold.

Nobody is entitled to anything. Even if it's just being left the fuck alone. This is part of being unplugged. Assuming people will just follow the rules and social norms is erroneous thinking. Always be prepared to take matters into your own hands. I agree with the posters above saying this guy saw she wasn't feeling it and capitalized. If a chick is all over a guy there is a very small chance of something like this happening.

A couple months ago me and a friend engaged a Dutch duo of chicks in the dancefloor, my friend was shut down quickly and moved on, leaving me alone with them, the one who I approached seemed interested, and we where dancing, grinding and talking un between. Meanwhile her friend was already hooked up with a guy who she knew beforehand (probably why she shut down my friend so fast), but he has a friend. A big and muscled guy. Guy catches me off guard and starts to grind on the chick. Firdt she rejects him with some disgust, I just let it happen with no reaction other than to smirk, but the guy does not disarm and stays around, with his friend was already making out with the other chick. I try to take away the chick, but her friend restrains her from leaving...my friend nowhere to be seen. I have a second chance, guy disappears and we dance a little more. Then out of nowhere the guy comes in full force and drops half of his expensive cocktail inside her empty glass then starts to hold her by the back, grinding and kissing her neck...she was overwhelmed. My thoughts where...well, I lost, no point in fighthing this big guy (and not that I was particularly affraid of him, much less in a place where the bouncers are all friends, and would back me up in a blink), I simply lost, he was more bold, energetic, and possibly wanted it more than me. His logistics where also better since his friend was already with her friend, and I had to wake up to work next day...making quitting quite easy. Just left the scene and the place.
This stuff happens to someone who is in the game. I learned something, I watched how to do a successful caveman approach. I invested nothing on this chick so if it was the opposite and has happened in other occasions, my reaction would have been different. But the guy did not touched me...

OP fared well, the guy wanted the girl more. Just leave the scene and learn like I did. Fighting him was a battle that you would win nothing. She was not your girlfriend or fuckbuddy, etc...Just a chick that I hope you have or will not invest in.

Work out and get swole enough to the point that you know that any guy who jumps in between you two and says "Yo dude I got this" is either armed and certifiably crazy, or has a coward crew waiting in the wings, ready to beat you into a bloody pulp the moment you step to him, and you'll have no doubt that the best option is to walk away with a smile.

Go to Landsdowne street in Beantown on any given Saturday night and you'll note that there are many undersexed, angry young men about who care way more about sending someone to the hospital than taking a slut's digits who won't ever text them back.

What they've said. By the time it actually happens its too late. The guy obviously felt that he could safely pick on you. At that point its also likely that he feels he can safely aggress physically.

If it happens often it means you seem weak. Often its not a size thing because I've seen little guys and fat guys who never get fucked with. Its all attitude. Best way to fix it is to spend time around more alpha males. For most people the best venue is your local full contact MMA/boxing gym. Pick out the seediest one in your town and just open yourself up to the vibe there.