Quote: (09-15-2016 03:33 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

Quote: (09-15-2016 03:20 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

However, It's kinda strange that T-dot in the Six chicks who are above 6-7/10 in looks (to Canadian standards) are generally out of bounds for men, while I attended these "prestigious world class" post-secondary (indoctrination) institutions in downtown Toronto, and didn't get as much as a decent convo with chicks, because they gave off that standoffish and paranoid vibe,

The problem here is your game. It's not the city. While Toronto isn't great, you seem, based on your previous posts in other threads, to be a bit butt hurt. You've used "elitist snobbery" in your other posts, but it's fairly obvious that you tried, failed, and are now crying about it.

Obviously I can't dissect your game from a keyboard. But who knows how you came off. Maybe you came off creepy, weird, angry because of your failures - who knows.

I don't know if you are talking in hyperbole when you say that you didn't get a decent conversation, but if you didn't, then you need to work on your game. Even beginners can get laid in Toronto. A 6/7 isn't a high end girl in the Toronto... They're a dime a dozen.

I've admitted that Toronto isn't great. I've said I dislike it. But the fact that you didn't get a decent convo, is not the cities fault - it's yours.

The onus is on you.

Edit: The only thing I agree with you on, is the indoctrination centres - but they're just as bad in the United States. DePaul University anyone?

Sheer shaming language despite that I've had success in Montreal being a man from the Caribbean region. Roosh didn't get laid in Toronto either..He comes off as "creepy"?

I'm noticing that the people who criticize Montreal on the forum by bashing black men (including my fellow Haitians) are the ones who complain that they can't get laid in Montreal though because they solely blame black Francophone men in Montreal. How come no one comes on bullying them for race troll?

If you wanted to know about "elitist snobbery", this is a phrase used in Quebec regarding the Anglos and when people in Montreal force a French speaker in Quebec to speak English though they are in French province..even my broken French mixte with Jamaican Patois, Haitian Creole and Parisian French is understood by chicks in Quebec, but if I try to speak English properly in Toronto, people get passive-aggressive that I had to force myself to sound "Canadian" and remove my Patois and Haitian French Creole...

I ain't bitter at anything. I just using terms which Anglos feel upset feewings at because of the history of Canada forcing Francophones to speak English when their tone of voice is similar like mine; we talk fast unlike Anglos who speak slowly

Quote: (09-15-2016 03:55 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

Sheer shaming language despite that I've had success in Montreal being a man from the Caribbean region. Roosh didn't get laid in Toronto either..He comes off as "creepy"?

My comment:

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Maybe you came off creepy, weird, angry because of your failures - who knows

I said maybe. I don't know you, so I can't comment on your method of approaching women.

As for Roosh, I've never seen him approach, I've only seen the occasional youtube video, so again - I can't judge his approach. I won't even get into as my reasoning for his failures in Toronto. This isn't the thread for that.

I never said he's creepy, or that you're creepy. Don't try twisting my words.

This thread is clearly veering off-course. Rudebwoy said it right - each has their own opinion. Which is why I said earlier that this debate is subjective, and there's no point going back and forth....

Quote: (09-15-2016 03:45 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^^Maybe it boils down to you doing well with Parisian chicks and others do well with Toronto chicks.

Your vibe works in Montreal, others are complaining it is not the place for them.

Casanova did alright at U of T and you struck out.

Does it have to be a big debate about Feminism etc.

Some people make this place work and others don't.

Some guys like apples and some guys like pears.

In no way did I question Casanova on his ability to get laid at UofT and instead pondered why it takes so much work to get laid with a chick compared to other places?

What makes me very defensive are some of the newbies who come on here claiming that they can't get laid in Montreal (despite having Quebecois chicks dancing, kissing and foreplaying them), and while they are at it, they come on the forum to bash Black men in Montreal for getting chicks.

I personally take offence to it knowing that many of these Black guys in Montreal came from Haiti. It's not right for people to play Indian Race Troll and Bash Black Caribbean people because East Indian people in the Caribbean are known to oppress Black people, and I get sensitive on that because I don't understand why IRT and white nationalists want to vent their game frustrations on Black men.

Last year, (another Toronto version of) Indian Race Troll came on here dissing me and my Caribbean heritage and accent, while he later went to Montreal and complained on this very forum how he can't get any luck in Montreal and how he wanted to go back to Toronto (proverbially with the tail between his legs), and he later got banned probably because he was race trolling.

I personally found it upsetting just like the Francophones were in the early Canada how the way I speak (fast and with melody like Quebecois people) is frowned upon with English-Canadian speakers in Ontario, but the same English speakers from Ontario want Francophones to change their accent to sound "English"....

When I adopted full Parisian French in my accent, in Montreal, I didn't get those nasty looks when I spoke and most people understood how I talked...

In other words, Montreal vs. Toronto beef lies in history of Language Wars which isn't related to the topic of this thread...However, many forum lurkers will understand how Rebellious French people and Caribbean people are in general in response to Anglo-Elitism, especially from cities which harbor such values, but again, not related to the OP question about residing in a city either Montreal or Toronto, with accessible hookers for his adult entertainment hobby.

Weekend Casanova:

I've been personally vilified on this forum last year by a Toronto-version of Indian Race Troll who dissed my Caribbean heritage accent purporting that to be from a man in a YouTube video of a Roosh V protest, yet he complained on this very forum how he couldn't get laid in Montreal.

Recently, some of the same guys on here are acting just like IRT, and also they imply how Black men in Montreal are to blame.

I get defensive for those two reasons, but it isn't related to OP thread about staying in either Toronto or Montreal for "adult entertainment services on Craigslist".

Whenever a Toronto Vs. Montreal thread pops up, it's always going the trend of English-Canada in Ontario versus Quebec in the 1970s leading to the War Measures Act..Must be something to do with the Marxist-inspired Rebellious attitudes in the anarchist classes of Montreal

Thanks for all the replies, very interesting discussion.

After first reading all of it I said: "No way I'm ever stepping foot in Toronto". However, after further thinking, I think I may just move there anyway and just lock myself inside. That's best for business anyway. It could even be fun to go out and put some feminazis in place. I realize I won't be sleeping with any regular girls but that's fine with me. Just hoping I won't get too angry just going outside.

Perhaps there are some conservative neighborhoods or suburbs where you can shelter yourself from the scum around you? How is Mississauga?

You seem to have your heart set on moving to Toronto.

As a single male, the suburbs is the last place you want to be. Mississauga is a nice clean place and great for families, however the demographic is changing. I don't want to offend anyone, so I will let you read between the lines.

Why not give Montreal a try first, do a six month lease! If you don't like it you can always come west.

Montreal kills Toronto, when it comes to the "activities" you like.

Have you been here on holidays?

Toronto must easily have the most RVFers on the forum, than any other city in the world.

That tells you everything you need to know.

Quote: (09-16-2016 08:13 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

You seem to have your heart set on moving to Toronto.

Not at all, it seems awful. But Montreal does sound quite awful too, being a predominately French speaking city. I'm sooo tired of travelling and being in countries where I don't speak the language. I almost feel sick to my stomach thinking of reading street signs in French or having to be greeted in French every time I enter a store or call a restaurant. I also don't like continental European culture with their cafés, cigarettes and siesta. And the winters seem quite brutal. But maybe I'm blowing it out of proportion. It's a very tough choice nonetheless.

It is probably a good idea to spend at least a few days in each city to compare. I may just have to do that.

As from what I've been reading about Toronto, I'd rather live in Buffalo or Cleveland. But that doesn't say much in this comparison, because I'd pick them both over Paris, Barcelona or Athens too.

Quote: (09-16-2016 09:15 AM)JayGould Wrote:  

Quote: (09-16-2016 08:13 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

You seem to have your heart set on moving to Toronto.

Not at all, it seems awful. But Montreal does sound quite awful too, being a predominately French speaking city. I'm sooo tired of travelling and being in countries where I don't speak the language. I almost feel sick to my stomach thinking of reading street signs in French or having to be greeted in French every time I enter a store or call a restaurant. I also don't like continental European culture with their cafés, cigarettes and siesta. And the winters seem quite brutal. But maybe I'm blowing it out of proportion. It's a very tough choice nonetheless.

It is probably a good idea to spend at least a few days in each city to compare. I may just have to do that.

As from what I've been reading about Toronto, I'd rather live in Buffalo or Cleveland. But that doesn't say much in this comparison, because I'd pick them both over Paris, Barcelona or Athens too.

You do not need French to function, play, date, game, go around in Montreal.

You only need French to work and do business in Montreal, and even that is not absolute.

Don't let the langage stop you from coming to Montreal.

Now if you like WASP culture (which I do) and more the English way of life, less maybe expressive or latin or crazy (like Germans, Englishs, maybe Dutch) then ok Toronto you will like better.

This debate is always heated, there is not one like it in the world, except maybe Melbourne Sydney debate.

Buffalo and Cleveland are shitholes.

A few French phrases in Montreal should do you fine and a willingness to learn the language, which has been mentioned countless times.

Canada is a cold country, winter sucks here period.

I can't imagine too many people paying over $1500 to rent places in Montreal. I'm pretty sure you can find rent for half that amount outside the city centre.

Anything place under $1000 will not be a nice place to live in Toronto.

Montreal also seems way easier to navigate without a car.

I would strongly listen to the vets that are suggesting Montreal.

I have decided to move to Montreal. Thanks everyone who contributed.

Quote: (09-16-2016 10:27 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Buffalo and Cleveland are shitholes.

A few French phrases in Montreal should do you fine and a willingness to learn the language, which has been mentioned countless times.

Canada is a cold country, winter sucks here period.

I can't imagine too many people paying over $1500 to rent places in Montreal. I'm pretty sure you can find rent for half that amount outside the city centre.

Anything place under $1000 will not be a nice place to live in Toronto.

Montreal also seems way easier to navigate without a car.

I would strongly listen to the vets that are suggesting Montreal.

Some advantages are for Montréal for sure. But most of the advantages are for Toronto.

-Rent price we all agree is better in Montréal, but most of Montréal buildings are old and dirty.But ok still better than Toronto.
Toronto is more modern city comparing to Montréal.

-The winter is longer and colder in MTL comparing to Toronto.

-Salary are higher and taxes are lower in Toronto.

I've lived in Mtl for 8 months recently. French lizards are no walk in the park....unless you're black. Compared to SEA, EE or LA it's terrible. It's decent if your talking in western terms.

OP isn't looking for a job, so that rules out Toronto.
Even if Montreal doesn't work out, I would choose Ottawa as my second option.

My judgement is based on mature rationale, not based on results with women.

Quote: (09-16-2016 09:45 AM)Curunír Wrote:  

This debate is always heated, there is not one like it in the world, except maybe Melbourne Sydney debate.

It seems you have never encountered a NYC vs LA or MIA thread.

Don't even know how this is worth debating.

I've rarely encountered a Montreal male partying in Toronto for the weekend, let alone living here.

Most Toronto males have visited Montreal numerous times. I think I need to make a trip myself.

Casa-nostra and RBerkley, are we going to paint this town red? Lol

Quote: (09-16-2016 05:00 AM)JayGould Wrote:  

Thanks for all the replies, very interesting discussion.

After first reading all of it I said: "No way I'm ever stepping foot in Toronto". However, after further thinking, I think I may just move there anyway and just lock myself inside. That's best for business anyway. It could even be fun to go out and put some feminazis in place. I realize I won't be sleeping with any regular girls but that's fine with me. Just hoping I won't get too angry just going outside.

Perhaps there are some conservative neighborhoods or suburbs where you can shelter yourself from the scum around you? How is Mississauga?

I'd advise you to seek some tips and precautions from the Senior RVF Members or Roosh himself before pursuing to troll Toronto feminists...In Canada, a man can get arrested if he merely makes a woman "FEEL" uncomfortable.

It is also considered "criminal harassment" in Canada if you are filming in public and a woman CONFRONTS you and she "feels uncomfortable". Take note that these two provisions only appear to be enforced in only Toronto.

The Court docket Regina v. Elliot (2012-2016) will provide more information concerning Twitter harassment..

It is not as easy to troll SJWs in Toronto as compared to the USA where there is more freedom of speech protections under the First Amendment.

Summary, Toronto SJWs are the type to cry out in pain while they stab a baby to death, and then they blame the baby for the stabbing.

I'm sure glad that you later decided to go low-key in Montreal..Enjoy life while you are living man..The SJW culture in Toronto is gonna be the eventual downfall of Toronto like Ancient Roman Empire.

Quote: (09-16-2016 01:23 PM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  

I've lived in Mtl for 8 months recently. French lizards are no walk in the park....unless you're black. Compared to SEA, EE or LA it's terrible. It's decent if your talking in western terms.

What's up with scapegoating Black men because they are getting luck in Montreal?

Francophone Montreal chicks are some of the most Liberal chicks in North America. They don't really discriminate that much unless it's some Parti-Quebecois chick..

Even then, I am in the process of gaming and hopefully become later successful to get this early 20s Bloc Quebecois Francophone politician to let me show her how to love her until she learns to love herself.I know some critics on here think it's some imaginary chick, so I'll put a speech of her to show what I'm trying to get.






If Roosh gets her before I do, then that's his luck and shows that even these Parti-Quebecois and Bloc Quebecois female politicians don't discriminate against getting expert loving.

Speaking about female politicians, I wanted to game Karen Stintz from Toronto, but after meeting her and seeing her face looked like it was only a forgot to makeup away to hide the wrinkles (like when the cheese layer of the pizza gets too heated in the oven), I just bailed.

Plus, she was in her early 40s and she was almost twice my age at the time. I didn't ovarstand what was the hype about her except that she was a TTC boss and Mayoral candidate for Toronto in 2014.

That's why I sticking to flirting and hopefully when I'm back in Montreal, get to do some fun stuff with ma jolie Petite-Madam Catherine Fournier because she around 23. She lately put politics aside after not getting her results in the last Federal Election (October 2015), but because of her she made Bloc Quebecois popular in Montreal and anywhere within a 100-mile radius in MTL..

Young adult female politicians in the province of Quebec tend to be more feminine and pleasant to the masculinity than the entire female professional class for rest of English speaking Anglo-Canada IMO

Quote: (09-16-2016 02:16 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Don't even know how this is worth debating.

I've rarely encountered a Montreal male partying in Toronto for the weekend, let alone living here.

Most Toronto males have visited Montreal numerous times. I think I need to make a trip myself.

Casa-nostra and RBerkley, are we going to paint this town red? Lol

I will be very glad to receive you and go party with mostly Quebcois girls here , you will take the first plan to Toronto after the week end

Castra Notra: Rudebwoy might find it nice in Montreal because of the more carefree lifestyle than in an uptight corporate town. Rudebwoy even admitted to my surprise, how he feels that Toronto lacks soul.

Rudebwoy isn't the Indian Race Troll of Toronto who dissed Caribbean vocal tone and accent, went to Montreal, and then complained on the forum how he wanted to go back Toronto because he was complaining how he wasn't getting good game in Montreal.

The only factor which might repel Rudewboy from Montreal is if there was an anti-Roosh V protest (mostly organized by Anglos and non-residents from McGill and Concordia University), and his selfie with Roosh was plastered all over downtown Montreal in a libellous tone(like what happened to me last year, but no one really beat me up on the streets or mobbed me probably because they fear the unknown).

Quote: (09-16-2016 10:27 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Buffalo and Cleveland are shitholes.

A few French phrases in Montreal should do you fine and a willingness to learn the language, which has been mentioned countless times.

Canada is a cold country, winter sucks here period.

I can't imagine too many people paying over $1500 to rent places in Montreal. I'm pretty sure you can find rent for half that amount outside the city centre.

Anything place under $1000 will not be a nice place to live in Toronto.

Montreal also seems way easier to navigate without a car.

I would strongly listen to the vets that are suggesting Montreal.

You can easily rent a basement in downtown Montreal not far from the UQAM area for around 500$ a month.

Go more east around 4 miles from Bonadventure metro station, and there were a few townhouses for rent. One was a 4-bedroom townhouse leasing for around 800$ a month.

I've heard that a basement apartment in the Toronto West end, around 10 miles away from the downtown core of Toronto goes for around 900$ a month, and subsidized housing waitlists go for at least seven years to twelve years minimum.

Many people, the newbies inclusive, argue that Toronto earns higher wages, but the truth is that not many people are fortunate enough to land that public sector, medical or CEO job...

Some friends I know who reside in Toronto work for minimum wage at fast food outlets, and they still end up on welfare because the rent eats up their monthly pay.

One of my friends share a floor of a house (rents a room for himself) for around 700$ a month, but he works at maximum 35 hours a week and earns approximately 300$ a week after deductions, but after taking out rent, he is left with approximately 500$ left, and if you deduct TTC metropass he uses to go to work, he only has around 300$ left for food and other expenses.

On the other hand, 1,200$ a month would make one live quite comfortably in Montreal. Rent for an apartment for one person is around 400$ a month if you can find the right locations in Montreal, and it isn't a crime-ridden place like paying almost 900$ a month rent for a 1-bedroom near Jane-Finch in Toronto.

Quote: (09-16-2016 04:23 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

Castra Notra: Rudebwoy might find it nice in Montreal because of the more carefree lifestyle than in an uptight corporate town. Rudebwoy even admitted to my surprise, how he feels that Toronto lacks soul.

Rudebwoy isn't the Indian Race Troll of Toronto who dissed Caribbean vocal tone and accent, went to Montreal, and then complained on the forum how he wanted to go back Toronto because he was complaining how he wasn't getting good game in Montreal.

The only factor which might repel Rudewboy from Montreal is if there was an anti-Roosh V protest (mostly organized by Anglos and non-residents from McGill and Concordia University), and his selfie with Roosh was plastered all over downtown Montreal in a libellous tone(like what happened to me last year, but no one really beat me up on the streets or mobbed me probably because they fear the unknown).

Thats why iam very curious and will be glad to receive him here.
He will not be disppointed about the carefree factor , metro is good here.But i think he will be dispointed when he go out and party and see the behavior of French mentality girls.

I dont have an idea about this indian guy,But i can imagine that an indian in Montreal is hard except the very good looking one.Dont forget that in Montreal physical criteria is very important,no way if you are average looking, french canadians are picky as hell.

Quote: (09-15-2016 07:41 AM)JayGould Wrote:  

Here's the thing: I don't date much. I almost only do escorts. Rest of the time I work. But I don't want to be met with hostility from women every time I leave my apartment. I don't want to see a bunch of beta males on a daily basis, that stuff messes with my head.

It is still tricking even if you got it, and we don't do no tricking around here.
Read the rules before you get banned as a troll.

11. No jailbait/illegal/p4p threads. Do not talk about where to find girls under 18 or how to have sex with them, even if it's legal in the location being discussed. Do not post sexy pictures of girls that are confirmed to be under 18. Do not talk about illegal drug use, breaking the law, or prostitution.

to OP

If you don't need a job in Montreal and make your own money then Montreal is the easy choice. The cost of living is low and the options for fun are plenty. If you get sick of the cold in the winter a good Airport can get you many places warm direct.

Montreal is set up well to reward the bachelor lifestyle. You can get nice central pad for a good price. You can splurge and get some Scottish Stone brownstone, or live in some villa in Old Montreal like a OG. If you want space you can get a big house in the burbs on the Island and have your own fortress.

One thing I would be mindful of is taxes. It is cheap to live there for a reason and the Quebec Gov will raid your wallet.

Quote: (09-15-2016 03:13 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

Quote: (09-15-2016 03:00 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

@ Weekend Casanova: But the question brings? Why does it take more work with a 7/10 in Toronto as compared to say an 8 or 9/10 in New York City, Boston or Los Angeles, USA (cities which Americans agree are SJW infected to some extent)?

Why should this matter in OPs decision?

He has no interest in game. He wants escorts. If we were talking about best cities for game, sure - Toronto wouldn't be on top.

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A 5/10 in Montreal would be considered a 7/10 in Toronto, or even higher than that..Francophone chicks, especially Parisian chicks have that nice soft skin and nice little nose and feminine stuff..Even the most "racist Quebecois" (and/or Parisian) chick is down to chat in Quebec.

The discrepancy isn't even remotely close to this.

Don't believe everything you read. Yeah, maybe girls in Montreal have a slight advantage due to the fact that on average they dress better. But again, it's not that much of a discrepancy. Toronto is a lot more populous, so you won't have a hard time finding attractive women roaming the streets.

When is the last time you were in Montreal? I was there in April, and again in mid-may (did a road trip to Halifax, spent a week there on the way, and three days on the way back). I didn't see this massive talent jump that would make me want to switch cities.

To circle back to my point - I simply don't like French people. OP asked for our opinions, I gave mine. The girls in Toronto, at least where I hangout, suit my taste fine (until I leave for Kyiv of course!), are attractive, and are not social justice warriors.

I want to know the spots that you guys hit up in Toronto. I'm curious to see these lizard SJW infestation pits.

Threads like this are really a waste of time, and there are tons of these type of threads on this forum. The OP needs to do some infield research. Visit Toronto, visit Montreal, then make his decision. No point arguing back and forth.

We get spoiled here in Toronto. The girls here look great!

But... the catch of course...

I have no problem though going to bat for the women here looks wise. Anybody who has lived else where in Canada knows most of Canada is full of pasty bitches and fatties. Toronto women can be hot and you can find them in abundance if you know where to look.

Places like York U are islands of pussy. I wish it was not so far out I would game there daily if I could.

Main shit I don't like about Toronto women is that they smell. They don't give a shit to be mindful of gum and their body scent. They have a slummy vibe to them at times, even the "dolled up" ones you see in the bars.