Guys, remember that OP is financially free. This means he is not looking for a job. Job security is not his concern. To the guys who picked Toronto, can you please post a datasheet of why you considered it a success? Merci.

Quote: (09-15-2016 01:19 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

I won't get too into it because it's been answered 1000 times on this forum, but just note that feminism in Toronto isn't even remotely as bad as what people make it out to be. It's sensationalism at its finest.

I've encountered maybe one hard core feminist in Toronto - and this was going out hardcore in my younger years (was into that RSD crap). In all likelihood you'll never, or at least rarely encounter one. Don't even factor feminists into your calculation of which city to visit.

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Don't get me wrong, I hate Toronto. But out of those two, it's Toronto.

How can it be an exaggeration when this type of stuff happens in university campuses in that city?





Whenever you hear students protesting in Montreal, it is usually an economic-Marxism protest like fighting for lower tuition fees and more free handouts, unlike the elitist snobbery which goes on in Ontario campus life.

Roosh also incurred some thousands of dollars for extra security for his own safety when he was in Toronto for his World Tour. Roosh didn't spend a cent for such security when he was in NYC, DC, Berlin, London UK

Quote: (09-15-2016 12:40 PM)Rekkd Wrote:  

Why not a warmer city in Canada? Montreal is only fun in Summer. Winter here is a nightmare

Unfortunately Canada is situated on that part of the hemisphere where it is inevitable that there will be at least four seasons, excepting for the BC area which is mainly rainfall during winter with Fall-like temperature condition.

The OP isn't planning to move to Iqualit, NT or 300 miles north of Fort McMurray, AB...The cold weather is expected in Canada, just like how most of the EU and Russia experience some form of winter season too.

Quote: (09-15-2016 01:34 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

Quote: (09-15-2016 01:19 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

I won't get too into it because it's been answered 1000 times on this forum, but just note that feminism in Toronto isn't even remotely as bad as what people make it out to be. It's sensationalism at its finest.

I've encountered maybe one hard core feminist in Toronto - and this was going out hardcore in my younger years (was into that RSD crap). In all likelihood you'll never, or at least rarely encounter one. Don't even factor feminists into your calculation of which city to visit.

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Don't get me wrong, I hate Toronto. But out of those two, it's Toronto.

How can it be an exaggeration when this type of stuff happens in university campuses in that city?

Whenever you hear students protesting in Montreal, it is usually an economic-Marxism protest like fighting for lower tuition fees and more free handouts, unlike the elitist snobbery which goes on in Ontario campus life.

Roosh also incurred some thousands of dollars for extra security for his own safety when he was in Toronto for his World Tour. Roosh didn't spend a cent for such security when he was in NYC, DC, Berlin, London UK

Cherry-picked examples are always an accurate portrayal of something.

In Toronto, it's a small group that occasionally makes a lot of noise. If you're a normal guy who goes out on the weekends to hit clubs, bars, pick up women, works a normal job...you will never experience this. To say otherwise is fallacious.

I work in the most red-pill industry in the world (or at least one of them), and even we don't experience this feminist nonsense when we hire women based on looks, and discard the ugly, more intelligent ones.

If you're hanging out in slummy hipster bars, sure you may get some feminist action, but nothing near to what you, and others say on this forum.

The OP should go visit each city, then tell us if he experiences these feminist hordes in Toronto - he won't. Chances are, he never will.

By the way, my offer still remains. I'm waiting for someone from this forum to show me where he encounters all these feminazis. Because I've seldom seen or encountered them.

RE: Moma - No one is saying Toronto is a success. I'm saying, that since the OP doesn't know French, maybe he should explore Toronto since French people are generally quite rude to those who don't speak their language. In Montreal not as much as France, but it still happens.

Edit: I reiterate. Toronto is not amazing. I dislike it. But it's not as bad as everyone says.

Quote: (09-15-2016 01:19 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

I won't get too into it because it's been answered 1000 times on this forum, but just note that feminism in Toronto isn't even remotely as bad as what people make it out to be. It's sensationalism at its finest.

I've encountered maybe one hard core feminist in Toronto - and this was going out hardcore in my younger years (was into that RSD crap). In all likelihood you'll never, or at least rarely encounter one. Don't even factor feminists into your calculation of which city to visit.

There are more opportunities in Toronto, but it's also more expensive. Transit can be effective on a good day, but 90% of the time it's a hunk of crap, and there are too many hobos for my liking. I spend a lot of time in Muskoka during the summer, so I personally would factor that in..If I needed time away from the city, rent a cabin in Muskoka, head up to the cottage...

I've only spent a couple of weeks at a time in Montreal, but I don't really like French people (even though I'm fluent in it), so for that reason alone I'd pick Toronto...

Don't get me wrong, I hate Toronto. But out of those two, it's Toronto.

Same case, fluent in French but found french people (Quebecois or french from France) cold and not funny.

That doesnt mean Toronto is heaven, but to avoid french people , it is.

@ Weekend Casanova:

I'm not saying that there is a militant feminist behind every tree in Toronto, but the SJW culture is infestation in Toronto that Americans know Toronto because of the Slut Walk and Big Red Chanty Binx, and more recent stuff---Jian Ghomeshi, Gregory Allan Elliott and that York University stuent who was jailed based on mere testimony from a woman despite her inviting the man via text message for "hot sex"...

The SJW culture is like a cult there, while in other cities the SJW culture is considered a sub-culture.

The Ville de Montreal consist of many anarchist and Marxist groups, but how many of them actually influence the city to become a Communist hellhole with bland architecture and equal poverty? Little or none? Mainly students protest for lower tuition fees, but that doesn't affect dating or game in Montreal except for the extra 1.975% in Quebec Sales Tax (14.975%) compared to the 13% HST rates in other provinces of Canada like Ontario, etc

Toronto is expensive and the jobs don't reflect the high cost of living.

The main intangible is women, they are not easy here unless you have thick elephant skin and some game.

Everything else is secondary.

There is a reason the Colombia and Ukraine threads are so long.

Quote: (09-15-2016 02:03 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

@ Weekend Casanova:

I'm not saying that there is a militant feminist behind every tree in Toronto, but the SJW culture is infestation in Toronto that Americans know Toronto because of the Slut Walk and Big Red Chanty Binx, and more recent stuff---Jian Ghomeshi, Gregory Allan Elliott and that York University stuent who was jailed based on mere testimony from a woman despite her inviting the man via text message for "hot sex"...

The SJW culture is like a cult there, while in other cities the SJW culture is considered a sub-culture.

The Ville de Montreal consist of many anarchist and Marxist groups, but how many of them actually influence the city to become a Communist hellhole with bland architecture and equal poverty? Little or none? Mainly students protest for lower tuition fees, but that doesn't affect dating or game in Montreal except for the extra 1.975% in Quebec Sales Tax (14.975%) compared to the 13% HST rates in other provinces of Canada like Ontario, etc

Again, it's a small minority that make a lot of noise, and in a city of over two million, and eight if you count the GTA folks that come in every day, you will never, or rarely encounter this problem.

Unless you're a famous misogynist, or Roosh - the SJW culture shouldn't factor into your decision.

The reason I dislike Toronto, is because I've been to places like Ukraine, Poland, Colombia, etc....But his options are Toronto and Montreal.

All I'm saying is let's not be disingenuous. He's spending one-two years in wherever he decides, so don't even bother worrying about the social justice warriors.

WeekendCassanova, Torontonians are polite but not friendly. This is worse than just being rude because at least the rude are straight up. Toronto also claims multicultural which forces you to enter a social setting group that they assign you to. I still recommend Montreal.

For the record, I have met Weekend Casanova and he is a stand up guy.

I would listen to what he has to say.

I "dated" a hardcore feminist, ignored her tripe and still got the bang on the first date.

Quote: (09-15-2016 02:21 PM)Moma Wrote:  

WeekendCassanova, Torontonians are polite but not friendly.

This hasn't been my experience.

The level of politeness and rudeness has been on par with most other cities I've been to. I'd prefer someone I brush up against on the street to be polite vs. rude..Just my preference.

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Toronto also claims multicultural which forces you to enter a social setting group that they assign you to. I still recommend Montreal.

Each to their own.

Choosing a city is subjective anyways, which is why there are so many threads on this board. I'm simply suggesting why I prefer Toronto over Montreal.

As I said above, I recommend the OP to visit both cities if possible, since he won't truly know which he prefers until he visits them.

@ Weekend Casanova: "Famous misogynist", or Roosh"?

"Misogynist" can arbitrarily mean someone that a woman doesn't like because of the way he looks or speaks.

SJW culture has every thing to factor in a decision when moving somewhere..If Poosy Paradises suddenly had raging red-haired freaks roaming around the streets to influence politicians while harassing innocent men because of their views, then many men wouldn't want to travel there and instead choose other cities/countries.

I did tell OP that if he wants to seek his escorts (No----I'm not advocating for pay for pussy), Toronto is good for gaming (hear that Mods, not p4p) pros, because that was the only feasible option for me to seduce pros to get some intimacy without p4p when I was enrolled in one of the most insane campuses in Toronto, and later dropped out because I decided that I'm only wasting my time just traveling to that campus despite it being located in downtown Toronto where the supposed fun is located, but it got sheer man-haters and misandry.

The OP wanna spend his money on his adult entertainment, but I'd advise him to be careful because of the legal consequences. If he wanna game pros, then more power to him, but I'm only explaining how it was more feasible gaming a pro than even just trying to get a chick to interact on campus in Toronto..I'm not gonna explain further in how to game pros because Roosh might be sweating in fear of this thread becoming p4p, which is not what I'm advocating really, but just using personal comparison.

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SJW culture has every thing to factor in a decision when moving somewhere..If Poosy Paradises suddenly had raging red-haired freaks roaming around the streets to influence politicians while harassing innocent men because of their views, then many men wouldn't want to travel there and instead choose other cities/countries.

Yes, but this isn't the case. So as I said, in his decision between Montreal vs. Toronto, it should not be a factor. Not to mention he's only planning on spending one-two years there, not the next fifty. When I said SJW culture doesn't matter, I was talking about the OPs decision - not in general. Because whatever people may think, you won't be mauled for being a man in Toronto.

Quote: (09-15-2016 02:32 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

I did tell OP that if he wants to seek his escorts (No----I'm not advocating for pay for pussy), Toronto is good for gaming (hear that Mods, not p4p) pros, because that was the only feasible option for me to seduce pros to get some intimacy without p4p when I was enrolled in one of the most insane campuses in Toronto, and later dropped out because I decided that I'm only wasting my time just traveling to that campus despite it being located in downtown Toronto where the supposed fun is located, but it got sheer man-haters and misandry.

I spent four years of my life at the University of Toronto, and it's a hotbed for social justice warriors.

I had zero problem finding girls willing to have a casual hookup - and before you ask, no they were not lizards.

One of the downsides that I will concede, is that you need a certain level of game in Toronto to consistently bed anything above a 7.

In saying that, the OP wants pros. So this won't be an issue for him.

@ Weekend Casanova: But the question brings? Why does it take more work with a 7/10 in Toronto as compared to say an 8 or 9/10 in New York City, Boston or Los Angeles, USA (cities which Americans agree are SJW infected to some extent)?

A 5/10 in Montreal would be considered a 7/10 in Toronto, or even higher than that..Francophone chicks, especially Parisian chicks have that nice soft skin and nice little nose and feminine stuff..Even the most "racist Quebecois" (and/or Parisian) chick is down to chat in Quebec.

Recently, I'm seeing a lot of anti Toronto women videos popping up on YouTube from male inhabitants of Toronto. The same trend cannot be said for Montreal except for those "Masculinist" fringes which consist of mainly married and divorced men rather than single men and PUA people.

^I would be surprised if many guys on here are pulling 8s and 9s in any city in America, on a regular basis.

What are you "pulling" in Montreal?

It takes more work because of the betaness of Toronto men.

Quote: (09-15-2016 03:00 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

@ Weekend Casanova: But the question brings? Why does it take more work with a 7/10 in Toronto as compared to say an 8 or 9/10 in New York City, Boston or Los Angeles, USA (cities which Americans agree are SJW infected to some extent)?

Why should this matter in OPs decision?

He has no interest in game. He wants escorts. If we were talking about best cities for game, sure - Toronto wouldn't be on top.

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A 5/10 in Montreal would be considered a 7/10 in Toronto, or even higher than that..Francophone chicks, especially Parisian chicks have that nice soft skin and nice little nose and feminine stuff..Even the most "racist Quebecois" (and/or Parisian) chick is down to chat in Quebec.

The discrepancy isn't even remotely close to this.

Don't believe everything you read. Yeah, maybe girls in Montreal have a slight advantage due to the fact that on average they dress better. But again, it's not that much of a discrepancy. Toronto is a lot more populous, so you won't have a hard time finding attractive women roaming the streets.

When is the last time you were in Montreal? I was there in April, and again in mid-may (did a road trip to Halifax, spent a week there on the way, and three days on the way back). I didn't see this massive talent jump that would make me want to switch cities.

To circle back to my point - I simply don't like French people. OP asked for our opinions, I gave mine. The girls in Toronto, at least where I hangout, suit my taste fine (until I leave for Kyiv of course!), are attractive, and are not social justice warriors.

I want to know the spots that you guys hit up in Toronto. I'm curious to see these lizard SJW infestation pits.

Threads like this are really a waste of time, and there are tons of these type of threads on this forum. The OP needs to do some infield research. Visit Toronto, visit Montreal, then make his decision. No point arguing back and forth.

Weekend Casanova is speaking the gospel.

Where is the popcorn?

Casanova This ain't a P4P thread. I can only provide my experience gaming pros in Toronto, who are considered more easier for me than approaching campus chicks who generally go on the "sugar baby" side hustle because beta bucks can cough up 10,000$ a month for that sort of thing. 10,000$ or even 100$ to me is a lot of money. Roosh knows that too.

However, It's kinda strange that T-dot in the Six chicks who are above 6-7/10 in looks (to Canadian standards) are generally out of bounds for men, while I attended these "prestigious world class" post-secondary (indoctrination) institutions in downtown Toronto, and didn't get as much as a decent convo with chicks, because they gave off that standoffish and paranoid vibe,

However, gaming pros was considered more successful for me, making those pros feel wanted and loved despite the truth that there are likely beta bucks from Bay St. who lavish the pros with extravagant monetary gifts (while I didn't even own a car in Toronto) , but a few pros in Toronto wanted me, but can't go into details because of pigs and TOS (no p4p threads), but if a pro/s who are bestowed with beta bucks gave me a chance to game her and create intimacy, then it shows that attending campus in Toronto sure was a waste of time for me in terms of game.

So I advise OP to GAME pros if he wants to stay in Toronto. Don't be that beta-bucks "John"

Berkley you have one rep point, no one is listening bro.

This again, we have heard it before.

Quote: (09-15-2016 03:00 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

@ Weekend Casanova: But the question brings? Why does it take more work with a 7/10 in Toronto as compared to say an 8 or 9/10 in New York City, Boston or Los Angeles, USA (cities which Americans agree are SJW infected to some extent)?

A 5/10 in Montreal would be considered a 7/10 in Toronto, or even higher than that..Francophone chicks, especially Parisian chicks have that nice soft skin and nice little nose and feminine stuff..Even the most "racist Quebecois" (and/or Parisian) chick is down to chat in Quebec.

Recently, I'm seeing a lot of anti Toronto women videos popping up on YouTube from male inhabitants of Toronto. The same trend cannot be said for Montreal except for those "Masculinist" fringes which consist of mainly married and divorced men rather than single men and PUA people.

Sometimes, I say is this guy serious ??

So you can not manage a Toronto girl and can manage a parisian?? with a real parisian girl more than talking you can get anything.

Let me tell you somthing,when i was living in Paris, once we see a north american girl, we all become .

Quote: (09-15-2016 03:20 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

However, It's kinda strange that T-dot in the Six chicks who are above 6-7/10 in looks (to Canadian standards) are generally out of bounds for men, while I attended these "prestigious world class" post-secondary (indoctrination) institutions in downtown Toronto, and didn't get as much as a decent convo with chicks, because they gave off that standoffish and paranoid vibe,

The problem here is your game. It's not the city. While Toronto isn't great, you seem, based on your previous posts in other threads, to be a bit butt hurt. You've used "elitist snobbery" in your other posts, but it's fairly obvious that you tried, failed, and are now crying about it.

Obviously I can't dissect your game from a keyboard. But who knows how you came off. Maybe you came off creepy, weird, angry because of your failures - who knows.

I don't know if you are talking in hyperbole when you say that you didn't get a decent conversation, but if you didn't, then you need to work on your game. Even beginners can get laid in Toronto. A 6/7 isn't a high end girl in the Toronto... They're a dime a dozen.

I've admitted that Toronto isn't great. I've said I dislike it. But the fact that you didn't get a decent convo, is not the cities fault - it's yours.

The onus is on you.

Edit: The only thing I agree with you on, is the indoctrination centres - but they're just as bad in the United States. DePaul University anyone?

Quote: (09-15-2016 03:08 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

^I would be surprised if many guys on here are pulling 8s and 9s in any city in America, on a regular basis.

What are you "pulling" in Montreal?

It takes more work because of the betaness of Toronto men.

What's up with the shaming language bro?

In Montreal, I mainly seek Parisian chicks who arrive in Montreal...Parisian chicks are my favourite because I'm noticing that these chicks are possessing some real nice huge racks and bubbly asses, yet their skin is smooth, and they like clown game.

I'm also beginning to become infatuated with Poland chicks because when I do my "inspection" on the Polish chick, she becomes submissive and let's me do some fun stuff to her because she knows that I am like a Jungle Man who likes seeing a nice Eastern European chick every part of her--If I tried that Roosh from 2007 " just do it and wait to see her response" in Toronto, I'd be on the Front Page of the Toronto Sun (with the xenophobic and Anglo-Colonial snobbery too).

In Montreal, it is more easier for me to be dominant with these French chicks..I mentioned already how I had little luck just getting a conversation with chicks on campus in Toronto 2013-2015, but pros who I will not name or reveal, really liked me a lot despite that there were beta bucks who offer expensive monetary gifts because they were hot pro chicks who weren't from Toronto, and even despite this, I gamed some of these pro chicks, white chicks too..Can't disclose any more because of pigs.

Your "beta/alpha" definition in a previous thread about Toronto is also incorrect. One of my friends got booked for threatening behaviour because he behaved "alpha" to a woman in Toronto who told him to "fuck off", and he listened to what I stated from your previous posts because he is a Toronto local. He might serve a suspended sentence or, if the Judge is Zucker, one year in prison just for trying to show how "alpha" he was to a chick who is filled with misandry and SJW

Quote: (09-15-2016 03:24 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Berkley you have one rep point, no one is listening bro.

This again, we have heard it before.

I don't know what you hope to achieve by forum bullying and condescending language.

I can post here,and it is not your preojative to dictate to people who should read my posts or not.

Something sounds like from Communists would do in Soviet Russia.

Quote: (09-15-2016 03:38 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

I'm also beginning to become infatuated with Poland chicks because when I do my "inspection" on the Polish chick, she becomes submissive and let's me do some fun stuff to her because she knows that I am like a Jungle Man who likes seeing a nice Eastern European chick every part of her--If I tried that Roosh from 2007 " just do it and wait to see her response" in Toronto, I'd be on the Front Page of the Toronto Sun (with the xenophobic and Anglo-Colonial snobbery too).

In Montreal, it is more easier for me to be dominant with these French chicks..I mentioned already how I had little luck just getting a conversation with chicks on campus in Toronto 2013-2015, but pros who I will not name or reveal, really liked me a lot despite that there were beta bucks who offer expensive monetary gifts because they were hot pro chicks who weren't from Toronto, and even despite this, I gamed some of these pro chicks, white chicks too..Can't disclose any more because of pigs.

You see.

I agree with this. I never said Toronto is mecca for submissive, traditional girls - you just need a different style of game. Toronto girls may put up a front, but once you get them in bed they have zero problem being submissive little sex kittens.

I use a different style of approach when I'm in Kyiv, as opposed to Toronto, or anywhere else in North America. The point, is that you can get laid in Toronto quite easily still, it just takes a different approach..

Different countries requiring different approaches is why there are so many Roosh Bang books.

You just need to adapt to your surroundings.

^^Maybe it boils down to you doing well with Parisian chicks and others do well with Toronto chicks.

Your vibe works in Montreal, others are complaining it is not the place for them.

Casanova did alright at U of T and you struck out.

Does it have to be a big debate about Feminism etc.

Some people make this place work and others don't.

Some guys like apples and some guys like pears.