Gentlemen, I have a question for the more experienced members on this forum. In the long run, which is more ideal: Lots of pussy at the expense of your pride/ego, or holding on to your pride/ego at the expense of pussy?

Hopefully you can all understand my question. I will expand on it a little bit further to be clear.
We can all think of instances where a girl behaved in a way or treated us in a way that we deemed, personally, to be unacceptable. Maybe it was acting disrespectfully towards you, "cheating" on you with another guy, lying to you about something, etc. But despite this, the girl is begging to have you back or still wants to have sex with you (maybe even without the begging part).
Would you still bang the girl anyways? Especially in the case that you two haven't had sex yet. Would you at least just bang her anyways just to get the notch? Or in your opinion, would this be compromising your frame as a man and thus leading to negative affects on your psyche (consciously or subconsciously)?

The reason why I am asking is because I am in a situation where I have to make this call. You know the story, beautiful girl, every guys seems to want her, but she wants me, blah blah blah that whole fairytale. We have not had sex yet but she is looking to date and settle down with me. Things such as constantly texting me all the time, knows that I slept with a lot of her friends in the past and I can tell she low-key kinda likes that even though she acts like she's mad at me for it. I don't want to go too in detail but please just take me word for it when I say this girl is feeling me (I'm currently at 93 notches and have enough reference experience to know when this is the case).
Anyways, I caught her lying to me about staying in one night when she actually ended up going out with her friends to a club, and my buddy saw her holding another dudes hand. So I call her out and she vehemently denies and blah blah blah. Bottom line is that is an obvious deal breaker and disgusting behaviour that no self-respecting man will ever settle for. And she's blowing up my phone with massive paragraph texts and phone calls begging for me to please talk to her.
Remember though, I still haven't banged her yet. And this lies my question gentlemen, should I put my pride/ego aside and make her notch #94? She is a very beautiful girl I have to say. Or should I stay true to my pride/ego and not let a girl ever treat me like that? That will be at the expense of banging a very beautiful girl, but I am worried that somehow putting up with this behaviour will somehow make me weaker in my frame and my convictions.

Thanks for reading the wall of text, any advice / input will be greatly appreciated.

Quote: (09-07-2016 05:12 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

I don't want to go too in detail but please just take me word for it when I say this girl is feeling me (I'm currently at 93 notches and have enough reference experience to know when this is the case).

You know you don't count it as a new notch every time you have sex with the same girl, right?

Quote: (09-07-2016 05:12 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

Gentlemen, I have a question for the more experienced members on this forum. In the long run, which is more ideal: Lots of pussy at the expense of your pride/ego, or holding on to your pride/ego at the expense of pussy?

Hopefully you can all understand my question. I will expand on it a little bit further to be clear.
We can all think of instances where a girl behaved in a way or treated us in a way that we deemed, personally, to be unacceptable. Maybe it was acting disrespectfully towards you, "cheating" on you with another guy, lying to you about something, etc. But despite this, the girl is begging to have you back or still wants to have sex with you (maybe even without the begging part).

Would you still bang the girl anyways? Especially in the case that you two haven't had sex yet. Would you at least just bang her anyways just to get the notch? Or in your opinion, would this be compromising your frame as a man and thus leading to negative affects on your psyche (consciously or subconsciously)?

The reason why I am asking is because I am in a situation where I have to make this call. You know the story, beautiful girl, every guys seems to want her, but she wants me, blah blah blah that whole fairytale. We have not had sex yet but she is looking to date and settle down with me. Things such as constantly texting me all the time, knows that I slept with a lot of her friends in the past and I can tell she low-key kinda likes that even though she acts like she's mad at me for it. I don't want to go too in detail but please just take me word for it when I say this girl is feeling me (I'm currently at 93 notches and have enough reference experience to know when this is the case).

Anyways, I caught her lying to me about staying in one night when she actually ended up going out with her friends to a club, and my buddy saw her holding another dudes hand. So I call her out and she vehemently denies and blah blah blah. Bottom line is that is an obvious deal breaker and disgusting behaviour that no self-respecting man will ever settle for. And she's blowing up my phone with massive paragraph texts and phone calls begging for me to please talk to her.

Remember though, I still haven't banged her yet. And this lies my question gentlemen, should I put my pride/ego aside and make her notch #94? She is a very beautiful girl I have to say. Or should I stay true to my pride/ego and not let a girl ever treat me like that? That will be at the expense of banging a very beautiful girl, but I am worried that somehow putting up with this behaviour will somehow make me weaker in my frame and my convictions.

You need to take a VERY big step back and look at the larger picture.

93 notches and you haven't figured this out yet?

Quote: (09-07-2016 05:12 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

Gentlemen, I have a question for the more experienced members on this forum. In the long run, which is more ideal: Lots of pussy at the expense of your pride/ego, or holding on to your pride/ego at the expense of pussy?

Hopefully you can all understand my question. I will expand on it a little bit further to be clear.

We can all think of instances where a girl behaved in a way or treated us in a way that we deemed, personally, to be unacceptable. Maybe it was acting disrespectfully towards you, "cheating" on you with another guy, lying to you about something, etc. But despite this, the girl is begging to have you back or still wants to have sex with you (maybe even without the begging part).

Cheating and being disrespectful are apples and oranges.

There are different levels of disrespect or outright blowouts.

Some require putting a bitch in check, others require outright ghosting.

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Would you still bang the girl anyways? Especially in the case that you two haven't had sex yet. Would you at least just bang her anyways just to get the notch? Or in your opinion, would this be compromising your frame as a man and thus leading to negative affects on your psyche (consciously or subconsciously)?

Okay first off, you shouldn't be worried about some bitch you haven't banged.

Secondly I really hope you aren't "dating" or "seeing" a hoe you haven't fucked yet.

If she doesn't know that you know you cheated on her, use it to your advantage.

If a girl cheated on me, fuck no I wouldn't take her back.

If we haven't had sex yet or are in the initial stages and I found out, she'd be delegated to plate.

Her getting me back means she has the power in the relationship now.

It also means she's rewarded for cheating aka, "I cheated on him and he let me back in ! What a sucker !"

You also lose value in her eyes as well.

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We have not had sex yet but she is looking to date and settle down with me. Things such as constantly texting me all the time, knows that I slept with a lot of her friends in the past and I can tell she low-key kinda likes that even though she acts like she's mad at me for it. I don't want to go too in detail but please just take me word for it when I say this girl is feeling me (I'm currently at 93 notches and have enough reference experience to know when this is the case).

She knows you get around, and actions speak louder than words. I don't give a fuck what she says about me, I care about how she acts towards me and when I'm not around.

How the hell can she "settle down" with you when you haven't even banged yet.

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Anyways, I caught her lying to me about staying in one night when she actually ended up going out with her friends to a club, and my buddy saw her holding another dudes hand. So I call her out and she vehemently denies and blah blah blah. Bottom line is that is an obvious deal breaker and disgusting behaviour that no self-respecting man will ever settle for. And she's blowing up my phone with massive paragraph texts and phone calls begging for me to please talk to her.

This constantly bears repeating:

Calling a woman out on her actions bears no fruit and makes you lose your cool.

You should've kept your mouth shut, then decided what you wanted to do.

Hell by this time, she's in don't date, pump and dump category.

Yes, I'd fuck her and chuck her, who doesn't want to bang hot pussy, especially when you know the score.

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Remember though, I still haven't banged her yet. And this lies my question gentlemen, should I put my pride/ego aside and make her notch #94? She is a very beautiful girl I have to say. Or should I stay true to my pride/ego and not let a girl ever treat me like that? That will be at the expense of banging a very beautiful girl, but I am worried that somehow putting up with this behaviour will somehow make me weaker in my frame and my convictions.

Thanks for reading the wall of text, any advice / input will be greatly appreciated.

You haven't banged her, yet here you are posting about said lady.

Get that pussy off the pedestal.

You're fascinated by some pussy that's been shady.

There's plenty of hot girls, she isn't the first and won't be the last in your book.

The only way I'd let her into my life is if she signed a contract guaranteeing that she showed up to my door, sucked my dick at said door, fucked her, blew a load on her face, then she immediately left.


You already HAVE the weaker frame, she has the high ground, regardless if she's chasing you.

Why ? Because you gave an emotional response to her by calling her out on her actions.

Quote: (09-07-2016 05:27 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

93 notches and you haven't figured this out yet?

Good point and I see exactly the point you are getting at. It is a bit different because I should have prefaced my post with this:
She knows that I had sex with about 4 of her very close friends in her friend group. And she knows me as a "player." So when we first started talking, I played the typical player card that I didn't want her for just sex and I actually liked her and wanted to start seeing her (it is partially true). So anyways, we made a promise to each other that we wouldn't have sex unless we started dating.

This is all within like a 2 week span so far so keep that in mind. And this hand holding incident was a week ago, just found out about it now.

So before everyone starts going at my throats, again I want to reiterate that I do have a decent amount of experience in this and I am looking to you guys for advice and input because I respect the ideas and opinions on this forum. Instead I am being met with ridicule and passive aggressive comments about my notch count.

Perhaps I worded my originally point poorly and it sent the wrong message across. I'm not too sure.

Quote: (09-07-2016 05:36 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2016 05:27 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

93 notches and you haven't figured this out yet?

Good point and I see exactly the point you are getting at. It is a bit different because I should have prefaced my post with this:
She knows that I had sex with about 4 of her very close friends in her friend group. And she knows me as a "player." So when we first started talking, I played the typical player card that I didn't want her for just sex and I actually liked her and wanted to start seeing her (it is partially true). So anyways, we made a promise to each other that we wouldn't have sex unless we started dating.

This is all within like a 2 week span so far so keep that in mind. And this hand holding incident was a week ago, just found out about it now.

So before everyone starts going at my throats, again I want to reiterate that I do have a decent amount of experience in this and I am looking to you guys for advice and input because I respect the ideas and opinions on this forum. Instead I am being met with ridicule and passive aggressive comments about my notch count.

Perhaps I worded my originally point poorly and it sent the wrong message across. I'm not too sure.

Not busting your balls but dude, you made a "promise" not to have sex with her, until you're officially dating ?

In only 2 WEEKS ?

Come on man, a dude whose banged 93 girls should know better than to do that.

I'm not sure how it's "a typical player card" to promise no sex till dating and tell her that you more than just want sex or like her.

What you should've done is just ran your standard modus operandus, batting her shit tests about fucking her friends, being a player, your intentions.

You totally are sprung for this girl.

Quote: (09-07-2016 05:28 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

If we haven't had sex yet or are in the initial stages and I found out, she'd be delegated to plate.

Yep, this is the state we are in right now. We started talking 2 weeks ago. So its very early in the initial stages. That's why I'm a bit lost at what to do. Part of me wants to at least secure the bang before ghosting her. The other part of me wants to Mr. Big Strong Alpha Man that takes 0 shit from girls and ghosts her right now.

Me calling her out on her shit was definitely driven by both anger and by wanting to show to my buddy that told me about that that I don't take shit from girls. I called her out on her knowing it would be the last I spoke to her, so don't worry, it wasn't a beta cry for help or the typical beta male version of "calling a girl out."
I legit don't plan on talking to this girl again, but her spamming my phone begging to talk to me is definitely making this bang seem very very easy. But at what cost to my pride? Thats the question I am asking. I think the issue at play is you guys are viewing me through the lens of every other guy / beta male and thus my scenario is being interpreted differently than it really is.

Quote: (09-07-2016 05:27 PM)LINUX Wrote:  

Not busting your balls but dude, you made a "promise" not to have sex with her, until you're officially dating ?

In only 2 WEEKS ?

Come on man, a dude whose banged 93 girls should know better than to do that.

I'm not sure how it's "a typical player card" to promise no sex till dating and tell her that you more than just want sex or like her.

What you should've done is just ran your standard modus operandus, batting her shit tests about fucking her friends, being a player, your intentions.

You totally are sprung for this girl.

I made that "promise" simply to disarm her. We both have no intention of keeping that and we both know it. It's simply a nuance about the situation that I wouldn't be able to convey very well over a text post.

I hate to say it but I think you might be partly right about me being sprung over this chick. I wouldn't write up this post otherwise. Nevertheless, her holding hands with someone else is unacceptable and as much as it sucks I can't let myself take anything further with her because of it. I'm just wondering if I should at least still just talk to her to at least get the notch in (its been 2 weeks which is plenty long enough for it to happen) or if I should salvage all pride and ghost this girl without even getting a notch first.

I'm wondering which is better for me in the long run.

Quote: (09-07-2016 05:43 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

Yep, this is the state we are in right now. We started talking 2 weeks ago. So its very early in the initial stages. That's why I'm a bit lost at what to do. Part of me wants to at least secure the bang before ghosting her. The other part of me wants to Mr. Big Strong Alpha Man that takes 0 shit from girls and ghosts her right now.

I'm not sure how you're "talking" ? As in dates ? Seeing eachother ?

It's not about being strong alpha or weak beta shit.

All this drama and reactions from a 2 week stint on one hoe just sounds annoying.

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Me calling her out on her shit was definitely driven by both anger and by wanting to show to my buddy that told me about that that I don't take shit from girls. I called her out on her knowing it would be the last I spoke to her, so don't worry, it wasn't a beta cry for help or the typical beta male version of "calling a girl out."

No it is, you still called her out, you were angry, so yeah, that was a sign of weakness.

Being strong is not giving a fuck, ignoring her, or having the balls to show up with a hotter girl around her an your mutual friends.

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I legit don't plan on talking to this girl again, but her spamming my phone begging to talk to me is definitely making this bang seem very very easy. But at what cost to my pride? Thats the question I am asking. I think the issue at play is you guys are viewing me through the lens of every other guy / beta male and thus my scenario is being interpreted differently than it really is.

The only one who can value your pride....is you.

You can do what you want, fuck her, and ghost her.

Anything other than that is a waste.

You may not be every other guy - but here you are asking for help with a girl you clearly have on a pedestal - who did something shady - and needs help deciding what to do.

Kaotic - we are "talking" as in whenever we are out together we hold hands, her friends know that I am now "off-limits" to them, etc. etc.
I haven't taken her on a date because I rarely do that unless its a girl I have being legitimately dating for a while or its a special occasion such as a birthday. But we've hung out a lot by going for walks together and whatnot.

Why would it be a hit to your pride? If you fuck her, you "win" then ghost her. These girls are a dime a dozen my man, just because she's "beautiful" doesn't mean the bitch is worth shit. Bang, ghost, and on to the next.

Quote: (09-07-2016 06:04 PM)TheFinalEpic Wrote:  

Why would it be a hit to your pride? If you fuck her, you "win" then ghost her. These girls are a dime a dozen my man, just because she's "beautiful" doesn't mean the bitch is worth shit. Bang, ghost, and on to the next.

I suppose because I'm still talking to her after what she's done. Perhaps I'm just acting super butthurt about the situation. The boys on this forum gave me a slap on the face and I think it was much needed.

I'll bang her if the time arises, and not sweat about it otherwise.
You're right brother.

I'd just tell her to come over and make it up to you, rail her, and bail. Hate fuck her, let her see what she's missing then go Complete radio silence.

Don't over think it, you've been here before plenty.

Quote: (09-07-2016 05:12 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

And this lies my question gentlemen, should I put my pride/ego aside and make her notch #9.4?

Couldn't help myself....


So why did you put the word cheating in quotes? Are you under the false assumption that there's a subjective standard for it?

Quote: (09-07-2016 06:31 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

Quote: (09-07-2016 05:12 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

And this lies my question gentlemen, should I put my pride/ego aside and make her notch #9.4?

Couldn't help myself....


So why did you put the word cheating in quotes? Are you under the false assumption that there's a subjective standard for it?

Because we "started talking" two weeks ago and aren't in a relationship yet. So I mean she is "technically" allowed to hold other guy's hands I suppose, but to me that is not acceptable. We aren't dating but I still consider that a form of "cheating" if you will.

Didn't think I would be catching so much heat with this post. Maybe talking about my notch count made me come off as a pompous ass.

Either way keep it coming, I could always use a swift boot up the ass every now and then I suppose.

It's all in good fun, man. We're not giving you 'heat'. It's unusual that a guy with a proclaimed near hundred lays would ask such questions. You are not holding any cards here though, based on what you've told us. Do you really think she only held that guys hand throughout the night in question? I know you don't need to be told why the fact that you have not fucked her means she has minimal investment in you, evidenced by you stating it twice in the OP. So tell us, are YOU willing to sacrifice your dignity (not pride, by the way) for yet-to-be-tapped pussy? And as kaotic said, pedestal and all that.

What causing you to get bashed is you are posting about a girl that you have been talking to for two weeks. You are already head over heels and committing to her but you aren't "dating" her when you are in everything but name. You promise not to fuck her until you are dating. That sounds like losing in the start.

She did not offer that same respect back to you by lying and at the very least holding hands with a guy. Who knows what else happened?

Then you call her out about it. You should have brushed it off. Put her in the proper category for what she is. Get over the fact that she isn't anything more and fuck her just like you did her friends.

People started helping you but you rationalized it. Just admit you were played a little bit, take the loss and move on. Every one of us has been burned here.

It's unclear if the two of you agreed to be in a monogamous relationship. If you did, then she cheated. If not, then she didn't.

She did lie to you which shows her character. If you played it cool and didn't confront her, you could've pumped and dumped her and "then" call her out on her shit from before, if you really needed too.

My guess is you called her out on it because you caught feelings for her. Had hopes and all the rest where you two were concerned, and you still do. It's why I doubt the question is about getting a quick bang in. Like Linux pointed out, you're invested in her.

I suspect you're quandry is if you should take her back and move forward again in having a relationship with her. I understand you are saying that's not the case, but unconsciously I think it may be. It's why the question of "Pride" is coming up.

Just be on guard for that if you go forward with her.

This is stupid she isn't even yours. Idk why I read this shit. Not to be harsh but yall aren't exclusive. You didn't even fuck her yet.. Lol

Lol after reading your post it proves high notches does not translate to superior game. That's why I Never associated with pua thing, always been a mack.

Facts your mesmerised by her looks. She higher VALUE . You caught feelings quick heard she holding hands with a guy lol. Should of played it cool. But you ain't start off right anyway you allow her to lead the direction of the relationship. Promise No sex until we dating...

Got her running things. Stringing you along, got you wishing for the day she finally let you hit that ass one day.

She's seeking other dating options. Wouldn't be surprised if she's getting dicked down.

Realologist, Red Pillage, and Onto - all three of you are spot-on.
I should have just put her back into plate / fuckbuddy category but truth is I started getting feelings for this girl and what she did genuinely hurt and made me angry.
By calling her out, it has already made me seem weaker and inferior in her eyes, when I should have just played my cards close to my chest and just played her as a fuck buddy.

I at least learned for next time.

But this brings an even deeper issue, it seems every girl I come across is not appropriate for anything more than just being another plate / fuck buddy. It scares me to think of what I should do the day I actually want to settle down and have children.

Quote: (09-07-2016 08:16 PM)The_e_man Wrote:  

Realologist, Red Pillage, and Onto - all three of you are spot-on.
I should have just put her back into plate / fuckbuddy category but truth is I started getting feelings for this girl and what she did genuinely hurt and made me angry.
By calling her out, it has already made me seem weaker and inferior in her eyes, when I should have just played my cards close to my chest and just played her as a fuck buddy.

I at least learned for next time.

But this brings an even deeper issue, it seems every girl I come across is not appropriate for anything more than just being another plate / fuck buddy. It scares me to think of what I should do the day I actually want to settle down and have children.

The more you get involved with women you don't view as plates, the more experience you will gain. I think you learned something from this experience and you'll carry that knowledge forward to the next one, and so on.

It's easy-peasy to keep frame and all the rest when you don't care about a girl or have little to lose.