Last night was the first time I went out to a club (I'm 22). I have been going to bars since I turned 21, so this was experience was unusual for me since people were shifting around the club regularly, as opposed to just sitting their ass down and having a conversation. I felt I had good vibes with most of the girls there, but most of my interactions were on and off because girls would just put my interaction on pause to go to the bathroom, talk to a friend, look at their phone, etc.It was a confusing night, I don't know what to make of it and I explain each approach below.

Approach 1 Part 1

Chat it up with an 8/10 black girl in the Standard Bang format when about 10 minutes in her fine 8.5/10 cousin shows up. We all chat it up and build chemistry for about 15 minutes. They are dancing a little bit on and off as well and the 8.5/10 black girl tried to tell me to “Cut it” at one point to that Cut it song but I couldn’t hear here and the timing was off which was awkward and didn’t help my cause to fuck her. They weren’t full on dancing but kind of just vibing in 5-10 second spurts. They were talking to each other from time to time and I would say I had 80% of their attention. Then they told me they were going to the bathroom. I was in an awkward situation since I was sitting at the table they were at so apart of me felt obligated to hold down the fort since I felt they were coming back to continue the interaction.

Approach 2

Somewhat disappointed at my two fine black girls leaving I looked around for girls to approach when I noticed fine girls dancing above me in VIP. I see her and shoot the shit a while running game on her and things are going well. She contributes to the conversation and we start to scratch the surface of not just shooting the shit about the current environment, but about the future and how we feel about the city. About 10 minutes in her friend pulls her away to another section of VIP and just like that; I lose my potential notch. The black girls haven't returned by now, and I figured I was getting played, so I just said fuck it and went to approach other girls.

Approach 3 Part 1
I see another fine black girl on the dance floor and try to get an interaction going by dancing a little bit with her. This is the first time I have danced in a party like environment since High School, so it was awkward, to say the least. She was with her fine mixed friend as well but the dance floor was so crowded it would be awkward to try to talk to her as well. When I stopped trying to dance after about 2 minutes, I ran standard game but ran out of steam since she did not help push the conversation as much as the last two interactions. I just walked away and took the L and walked away, looking through my phone for ramble notes as I get ready for another approach.

Approach 1 part 2
Low and behold the two black girls were back at the same table I was with them before. I started to talk to the 8.5 black girl again when she asked me out the blue “are you here by yourself”? I casually said yes and continued the interaction. However, tempers flared as her cousin was going back and forth with some bitches a step or two above us at VIP over a spilled drink. She went over there to defend her cousin and I stepped back trying not to get involved with the dispute and after it was over (no punches thrown or anybody hurt, just a lot of bickering). After she came back, I asked the 8.5 girl what had happened. She still had this angry glare and was ignoring me, so I just said fuck it and left, I felt like a beta orbiter asking mama for attention, and I have come too far in life to feel that way any longer than I needed to.

Approach 4

A little bummed out by all these unusual scenarios I decide to just chill be the dance floor against a pole for a second (not a stripper pole, sort like a random pipe pole that was in the club for maintenance reasons) It was unusual for me to get three solid interactions in a row and have them slip out of my hand like this. I tried to gather myself a little bit, and remember than every approach I'll get closer to the bang. Then I noticed this hand start to grasp the pole and touch my back. It was some white girl with three of her guy "friend" and two girls. I approach since this pretty petite white girl touched me unnecessarily (A IOI in my opinion). I run standard game and once again run out of steam. I haven't been out for about two months so my night game is rusty when I deal with girls who don't contribute much to the conversation. There was a guy right behind her that appeared to be her boyfriend, I had a feeling he didn't care but from what I can tell later in the night, he seemed to be a cuck. As another interaction died for the night once again, I review my ramble notes and go on the hunt for another brawd, but first I had to pee.

Approach 1 part 3

As I head towards the bathroom I notice one of the black girls from approach 1 at the bar. I shoot the shit with her and ask he what happened during the altercation earlier. She explained the scenario and said that everything was cool now. She seemed to be really comfortable with me physically, damn near hugging me every time she had something to say. Usually girls will stick their neck out to get interact with me in a loud night venue. I thought of this as an IOI, but I had to pee, and she was in line waiting for a drink. I didn't want to go for the kill only to for the interaction to be killed by her ordering a drink. However, in hindsight, we could have just sat at the bar and shoot the shit from there, but she seemed really to be committed with hanging out with her cousin that night. So I ended the interaction and went to the restroom to take a leak.

Approach 3 part 2

As I leave the restroom I notice that same black girl from earlier and decide to shoot the shit once again. This interaction was much better since I feel I finally got my feet wet and the ramble, teasing, and storytelling kept rolling. I flirted with her fine mixed friend that was with her as well, keep my chance high for at least banging one of them. During this interaction, I noticed that these girls were talking to me and looking at their phone simultaneously. Even at one point when I was interacting with the mixed girl, she stopped to take a picture with what I believed at the time to be a buff club bouncer. Meanwhile, the white girl from approach 4 walks by and gives me a happy ditzy four second stare, but the club was so crowded and would look and feel stupid to get up and chase her down because she showed a IOI). I was confused at the mixed signals I was getting from these girls in this current approach. I had never had a girl continue to riff with me and shoot the shit while balancing an interaction with her friend, phone, and at one point taking a picture! Apart of me felt the interaction was dead because I didn't have a good part of her focus (I would say I had 65%). However, another part of me felt I was still in the game because the conversation was still alive and I was not being completely ignored. After about 15 minutes or so they told me they were going to the dance floor. After my horrible display of dancing earlier, I passed on trying to go with them, until I worked on that part of my game some more.

Approach 1 part 4

As I look to my left two table down I notice the back girls once again. Thinking the interaction was still alive and I had a chance I go down to shoot the shit. Once again, I get these unusual mixed signals. As I approach to talk to one of the girls she sees me and say " oh hey" and turns her back on me slightly. There was not a flat out rejection so I persisted and shouted the shit with her once again. This time the interaction appeared to go really well to the point where she was describing how guys from her home city would grab her and pull her towards them and demonstrated this action on me! I played it cool and talked about how that area (which is where I am from as well) has a large Hispanic population and I believe that sexual comfort Hispanics naturally have is ingrained in the city’s culture. Then out of the blue she starts to ramble about how she is 30 years old and that I’m 22 years old. Then she starts to ramble about some shit about a paparazzi and that she wants me to work for her company as an accountant and that she is extremely flexible. She was speaking so fast and the music was so loud that I could only here part of what she is saying. When I told her that I couldn’t hear her she was saying some shit about how it won’t work out or something and I played it off her rejection, saying that I was just having a conversation. Thinking that for sure the interaction was over and ready to move on she asks for my number because she wants to hang out with her cousin that she hasn’t seen in 8 years for the rest of the night and that “we could do this another time”. We exchange numbers and as I leave I give her a peck on the cheek. I don’t know why I did that but it just felt right. I do that with chicks after I get their numbers at loud ass night venues for some reason.

Approach 3 part 3
I notice the two checks I was interacting with earlier at another table and decide to shoot the shit once again. This time, the interaction is smoother than the last and I am really building comfort with black girl. In hindsight, I should have played by cards entirely since we were 20 minutes away from the last call but I was trying to keep the balance with her and her mixed friend. Once, again the good vibes were flowing but the kept heading in and out of the interaction and I had about 2/3 of their focus. When they get ready to leave I try to number close with mixed girl and low and behold the buff bouncer guy (or at least he appeared to be a bouncer) was he boyfriend (supposedly) so I take my L and before and I can even thin to try to get the black chicks number, she’s gone. I take the L, once again confused and looked for another broad.
Approach 5
I notice this fine Asian chick sitting by herself. I run game on her, but my voice is tired from screaming all night. My clarity is not as consistent as I want it to be and five minutes in I hear some shit about a girl getting birthday shots at the table next to me. This girl was out with her friend for her birthday so she goes to take a shot with her and never comes back to the table where we began the interaction. At this point of the night it’s 5 minutes before last call so I just head home confused as to where I let a lot of pussy slip out my hands that night by approaches not being solid as they needed to be (lack of rambling, not escalating soon enough, trying to balance the interaction with two girls at 50/50 when at one point I should out all my cards on one of the girls) or that I was orbiting girls that were never interested in the first place. I would appreciate any constructive criticism to help me improve my game. Also, I would be happy to answer any questions if you need more specifics about my approaches. I didn’t want this to be long, but I don’t want to leave any details needed as well.

"An Average Night at a Somewhat Ratchet Sounding Club, Anytown, USA"

I think the question that's on everyone's minds is: tell us more of this ancient land where 8+ black girls are so common?

Christ almighty, how do you even remember all those details? When I go out and get fucked up and approach, I never remember shit like this unless my dick ends up in some sloot. That's the only thing worth remembering. The minutiae doesn't matter. You're forgetting the basics. Have some fun first and foremost. Put your fucking phone away and don't rely on "notes". Let your personality shine through and try to get comfortable in your own skin.

It sounds to me like the white chick was the most interested in you. You have to roll with the punches more. It seems to me that it should have it been obvious the black chicks weren't feeling it and I'd have moved on from them. You need more motion. Don't stick around and talk to the same group for too long, especially when some external forces interfere with your interaction (for example the spilled drink confrontation) you DO NOT want to be standing there waiting for them to come back. That's when you walk away and make another approach, plant another seed. This benefits you in more ways than one:

1. You don't look like a chump waiting for these hos to come back to your table
2. You just made another approach
3. If the hos come back looking for you they see you talking to another chick which for obvious reasons makes you look a lot cooler than you would in scenario #1

Also, don't be singularly focused on just approaching chicks when you're out. I'm sure someone will come in this thread and call me a game denier, but whatever. For me success in nightgame is always contingent upon not giving a fuck about the outcome.

Quote: (08-07-2016 11:36 AM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

Christ almighty, how do you even remember all those details? When I go out and get fucked up and approach, I never remember shit like this unless my dick ends up in some sloot. That's the only thing worth remembering. The minutiae doesn't matter. You're forgetting the basics. Have some fun first and foremost. Put your fucking phone away and don't rely on "notes". Let your personality shine through and try to get comfortable in your own skin.

It sounds to me like the white chick was the most interested in you. You have to roll with the punches more. It seems to me that it should have it been obvious the black chicks weren't feeling it and I'd have moved on from them. You need more motion. Don't stick around and talk to the same group for too long, especially when some external forces interfere with your interaction (for example the spilled drink confrontation) you DO NOT want to be standing there waiting for them to come back. That's when you walk away and make another approach, plant another seed. This benefits you in more ways than one:

1. You don't look like a chump waiting for these hos to come back to your table
2. You just made another approach
3. If the hos come back looking for you they see you talking to another chick which for obvious reasons makes you look a lot cooler than you would in scenario #1

Also, don't be singularly focused on just approaching chicks when you're out. I'm sure someone will come in this thread and call me a game denier, but whatever. For me success in nightgame is always contingent upon not giving a fuck about the outcome.

Haha I was solo for the night and sober because I needed to drive home. A part of me does feel I should of left the black chicks alone, but it was slim picking in that club (roughly fits 100 people, 80% of them seemed to be paired with couples or in the VIP where I couldn't go.) I remember reading that when you go out solo, you don't want to be pegged as the creep guy running around the club approaching so I tried to move around as little as possible.Running game is fun but's it's tricky as hell at times as well.

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I remember reading that when you go out solo, you don't want to be pegged as the creep guy running around the club approaching

You don't want to be the guy seen as running up on every piece of ass, but you also don't want to be a lingerer. This is why I say forget about the agenda. Forget about calculating every move and every approach, because in doing so you WILL come off as the 'creepy' guy even though you don't realize it. You want to be more in the moment and less thinking about the potential outcomes.

If i had to chose two of the above, though, I'd rather be the guy approaching more and seen as 'creepy' than a lingerer.

Quote: (08-07-2016 12:10 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

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I remember reading that when you go out solo, you don't want to be pegged as the creep guy running around the club approaching

You don't want to be the guy seen as running up on every piece of ass, but you also don't want to be a lingerer. This is why I say forget about the agenda. Forget about calculating every move and every approach, because in doing so you WILL come off as the 'creepy' guy even though you don't realize it. You want to be more in the moment and less thinking about the potential outcomes.

If i had to chose two of the above, though, I'd rather be the guy approaching more and seen as 'creepy' than a lingerer.

Well what at what point is it "lingering".I? have always had the additude that if she doesn't flat out reject you, you continue the interaction and build comfort. I do realize I need to be more in the moment, and I'm confident this will all come naturally to me as it did last summer when I was going out every weekend.

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Well what at what point is it "lingering".

When she no longer is paying attention, when she starts scanning the room again or looking at her phone. You'll know. I think you knew this time too, as you said you "ran out of gas" during some of those interactions. Also i'd considering it lingering if they are talking among themselves and you find yourself just standing there.

This will help you understand a few things.

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Quote: (08-07-2016 03:02 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

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Well what at what point is it "lingering".

When she no longer is paying attention, when she starts scanning the room again or looking at her phone. You'll know. I think you knew this time too, as you said you "ran out of gas" during some of those interactions. Also i'd considering it lingering if they are talking among themselves and you find yourself just standing there.

I don't know man that just seems too passive to me. If I didn't "linger" last night I would have never give myself a chance. As I said earlier it was a small club with slim pickings so I had to make the most of what was available. However , in a larger venue I would definitely not stick around and deal with BS I had to deal with last night. Now that I think about it I usually deal with older women with a bitchier additude at bars. From what I can tell the younger girls are more passive and expect you to "take a hint" which is a big pet peeve of mine. I have to go to sleep at night knowing I gave myself a chance, which is why I got into game in the first place.

" I run standard game and once again run out of steam"

Doesn't sound like you have standard game.

WIA

This is true. I have work to do.

Quote: (08-08-2016 04:52 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

" I run standard game and once again run out of steam"

Doesn't sound like you have standard game.

WIA

This is true, I have work to do.

Quote: (08-08-2016 04:52 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

" I run standard game and once again run out of steam"

Doesn't sound like you have standard game.

WIA

He's running triangle offense

@ Phil

What do you think went wrong?

I think you interacted with these chicks without a plan.

WIA

Quote: (08-09-2016 03:57 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

@ Phil

What do you think went wrong?

I think you interacted with these chicks without a plan.

WIA

I had a plan, but it was executed poorly. I wanted to run game as outlined in Roosh's "Bang" book (direct opener, ramble start with speaking about the environment and then after 10 minutes or so tease her, neg her, and ask ridiculous questions to keep the interaction going all while building comfort physically, escalate to the kiss, and try to venue change to her or my place for the one night stand.) The problem with me was rambling. I haven't been approaching much lately (I use to do it once a day, but I have just been too busy with school and work) so my ramble wasn't where I wanted it to be and for the most part, it was difficult for me to do 70% of the talking as was needed. However, when I got my feet wet about an hour in, my ramble was pretty good (after approach four).In hindsight now, I'm starting to realize that going to clubs is much more of a fast paced environment compared to a bar. After reading Linux's datasheet, I realized I should have escalated the sexual tension much quicker with these brawds. There're much more distractions in a club compared to a bar.Having an hour conversation is out the window when you have the staff offering shots, loud ass music, dancing, and flashing lights and shit. The fact that the black chicks from approach 1 & 3 didn't completely blow me off after my awkwardness makes me feet that fucking them that night was a solid possibility. I just didn't escalate soon enough and missed my chance. I'm going to a club Saturday night once again; I'm not sure it will be the same club since I want to see what else my city has to offer. I will run my game with a mix of Roosh's and Linux's and report back.

Tonight was a very forgettable night.I went to a club that gets a lot of hype around my city and when I got their a good part of me thought it was a joke. I chatted up my first approach about how bad it was and she told me it was a essentially a after hour spot that people go to after last call at 2am (the club is open till 5am). With the reason alone, it was understandable the cream of the crop the city had to offer wasn't their for me to approach (My club window is 12am-2am) but it was still just a terrible night. I swear it was a 1 to 3 ratio to guys and girls and 80% of those girls were just flat out unattractive. I wouldn't bang them if my life depended on it (well, I would but you get what I'm saying). It's funny because I was thinking about Linux's datasheet about screening girls, but shit I had a hard enough time finding girls to approach period (6 in two hours) let alone finding some with characteristics of being leniate towards a One night stand. Also, five out of those six approaches ended within 2 minutes by the girl herself. It was just a rough ass night for me. What pissed me off the most about this is that the price at the door was $10. I spent that same amount on the club last week and they were handing out free shots, had hot pieces of ass everywhere, the girls were chatty and friendly, the club is alot nicer overall. It's crazy how people still choose the shithole I went to tonight over the club I went to last night while paying the same price. I believe the club I went to tonight just attracts the ghetto girls in my city at the end of the day. Their was just a ratchet environment and that doesn't attract the best girls. Oh well, I had to learn this one way or another, so I'm happy I know I should now avoid this place. I believe my approaches were solid, but most of them were either drawn away from friends, wanting to see another room, ended up being their with a boyfriend, etc. It is what it is. I will work hard to improve and hope for better logistics next time.