^ A while back I was saying how the cops in my town were mainly lesbians and wimpy hipster beta men. They pretty much look like those pics, except the lesbians are morbidly-obese.

Does anyone feel physically-intimidated by anyone in those photos?

If things ever get properly hairy you can bet these guys will be wearing a set of civvies under their uniform.

I bet most of them will demonstrate that they can peel a uniform quicker than they can peel a pistol.

Anybody else skeptical?

Eye witness says he yelled aloha snackbar. Why would she lie?

Video of shooter on roof 100+ feet away has inconclusive voices, many believe people in the apartment building are the ones who said fucking turks and fucking foreigners. In the context of the dialogue, these comments were made immediately after he showed his weapon. Makes a lot more sense for them to say it than the shooter, given the situation.

It takes hours to find this guy, even with a city wide shut down, 1 km away from the initial shooting.

It takes another several hours to "check him with a robot" to make sure there are no bombs in his bag.

Plenty of time to plant a book, make up some shit about his internet search history, and for everyone to get their story straight.

Merkel would be murdered, in jail, or in hiding if this had been a jihadi.

I am not saying the "official" story isn't possible. Just that I am skeptical.

ETA: I forgot about the cheese dick interviewed on tv who allegedly was there at the shooting. The news made sure that the very first thing out of his mouth when the interview started was "he yelled fucking turks!!!!!!!! arrggggjjjjj!!!!!!!!!" lol. That dude looked like an actor or an attention whore. No way his story is legit.

And the pics of this kid, the shooter, he looks like a shitlord. Not some bullied pussy. All of the American shooters look like Bernie supporting freaks. This German-Iranian kid looks like a professional jidahi troll.

Quote: (07-24-2016 05:20 AM)Chauncey Wrote:  

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Merkel would be murdered, in jail, or in hiding if this had been a jihadi.
...

I hate to burst your bubble but it's going to take a lot more than that to spark a revolution.

Quote: (07-24-2016 05:20 AM)Chauncey Wrote:  

Anybody else skeptical?

Eye witness says he yelled aloha snackbar. Why would she lie?

Video of shooter on roof 100+ feet away has inconclusive voices, many believe people in the apartment building are the ones who said fucking turks and fucking foreigners. In the context of the dialogue, these comments were made immediately after he showed his weapon. Makes a lot more sense for them to say it than the shooter, given the situation.

It takes hours to find this guy, even with a city wide shut down, 1 km away from the initial shooting.

It takes another several hours to "check him with a robot" to make sure there are no bombs in his bag.

Plenty of time to plant a book, make up some shit about his internet search history, and for everyone to get their story straight.

Merkel would be murdered, in jail, or in hiding if this had been a jihadi.

I am not saying the "official" story isn't possible. Just that I am skeptical.

Absolutely right - he did not say "fucking foreigners" - that was the guy on the balcony.

A Turkish woman in the toilet of the McDonald"s claimed she heard Allahu Akbar.

If authorities wanted to turn him into a secular shooter, then they could have done that by falsifying the entire evidence.

No worries though - the next Jihadi running wild in Germany is just a matter of time. They won't be able to suppress it all, when it happens on a daily basis. And we haven't started the glorious tradition of suicide bombers yet killing dozens. Since Israel built the wall, then those went down and were replaced by knife attacks. Germany is a virtual paradise in that respect. You can kill thousands each week if you want to.

Though in this case - there are details here that don't make much sense from a Jihadi perspective.

I can totally buy the story the media is selling, the details of this event do not fit the typical Euro Jihadi Attack. I am just a little drunk and playing devil's advocate. Too many questionable parts of the story not to.

People did also claim that there had be 3 shooters. Guys when you have a car accident and 3 bystanders, you will hear different stories. Its normal human behavior. We are not logical, we are just good at make our actions sound logical to us after. Memories and views can mix.

This just happen today:

http://www.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/zu...04455.html

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A 22-year-old has unsheathed a knife on a train on the route between Hamburg and Bremen and threatened passengers. Many travelers came in the incident in the early hours of Sunday in panic, like a police spokesman said. They felt reportedly recalls the incidents in Würzburg and Munich. no one was injured this time.

In the early morning hours, it turned the man - he was taken into custody. The police believe that he suffers from mental illness and was at the time the act drunk. The police has started investigation.

News reports saying he was mentally unstable.... Yeah that's called islam.

Now the german government wants to crack down on private ownership of guns.

What a surprise.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36877388

Bought his gun from the dark web apparently.

Crack down private gun ownership when the crime was done by an illegal one - check
Call for military force inside Germany even when police is able to deal with it - check
Call for for more surveillance, cameras and similar stuff when the attacker was at no list - check
Some even want to call for a ban of ego shooter games - check

Its always the same formula they use after something like this but nothing of this all could have prevent it. It just is there to track down law abating citizens that you can face them when they rise resistance against the abuse of power.

Quote: (07-24-2016 03:38 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Now, that just makes me nervous.

"Let's give a person with 60% of the muscle mass and 80% of the reaction time of a regular cop an MP5 under stress and let her point it in a population dense area."

Because, you know, there aren't any other people available with better task-specific cognitive and physical characteristics, which would make for an inherently lower risk for bystanders, for SWAT.

Quote: (07-24-2016 07:25 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Quote: (07-24-2016 03:38 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Now, that just makes me nervous.

"Let's give a person with 60% of the muscle mass and 80% of the reaction time of a regular cop an MP5 under stress and let her point it in a population dense area."

Because, you know, there aren't any other people available with better task-specific cognitive and physical characteristics, which would make for an inherently lower risk for bystanders, for SWAT.

She's not a SWAT officer.

Quote: (07-24-2016 08:09 AM)Suits Wrote:  

She's not a SWAT officer.

The comment referred to her analogous task, acronyms aside.

Quote: (07-24-2016 07:25 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Quote: (07-24-2016 03:38 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Now, that just makes me nervous.

"Let's give a person with 60% of the muscle mass and 80% of the reaction time of a regular cop an MP5 under stress and let her point it in a population dense area."

Because, you know, there aren't any other people available with better task-specific cognitive and physical characteristics, which would make for an inherently lower risk for bystanders, for SWAT.

"Excuse me, miss. Unless you're leaning on an invisible post office box then you might want to drop that right elbow..."

Quote: (07-24-2016 04:41 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

^ A while back I was saying how the cops in my town were mainly lesbians and wimpy hipster beta men. They pretty much look like those pics, except the lesbians are morbidly-obese.

Does anyone feel physically-intimidated by anyone in those photos?

At least they are not 300+lbs, and spilling their gut out below the bullet proof vest, like some American cops are....

I guess the situation happened too fast for the German GS9 to arrive or do anything. They aren't wimpy at all. Well, the GS9 of the past is notorious, not sure about these days, if they look anything like these cops do.

Quote: (07-24-2016 05:20 AM)Chauncey Wrote:  

Anybody else skeptical?

Eye witness says he yelled aloha snackbar. Why would she lie?

Video of shooter on roof 100+ feet away has inconclusive voices, many believe people in the apartment building are the ones who said fucking turks and fucking foreigners. In the context of the dialogue, these comments were made immediately after he showed his weapon. Makes a lot more sense for them to say it than the shooter, given the situation.

It takes hours to find this guy, even with a city wide shut down, 1 km away from the initial shooting.

It takes another several hours to "check him with a robot" to make sure there are no bombs in his bag.

Plenty of time to plant a book, make up some shit about his internet search history, and for everyone to get their story straight.

Merkel would be murdered, in jail, or in hiding if this had been a jihadi.

I am not saying the "official" story isn't possible. Just that I am skeptical.

ETA: I forgot about the cheese dick interviewed on tv who allegedly was there at the shooting. The news made sure that the very first thing out of his mouth when the interview started was "he yelled fucking turks!!!!!!!! arrggggjjjjj!!!!!!!!!" lol. That dude looked like an actor or an attention whore. No way his story is legit.

And the pics of this kid, the shooter, he looks like a shitlord. Not some bullied pussy. All of the American shooters look like Bernie supporting freaks. This German-Iranian kid looks like a professional jidahi troll.

There are plenty of red flags in the story.

Also, his name is Ali.

However BBC and other mainstream propaganda outlets
presented him as "german named David who screamed "I am german!""

European police and military are not wimpy, in exercises with military special force units, the European, particularly Scandinavian and Northern European, frequently win against American forces. They are just not used to this kind of violence.

Doesn't matter if the cops are badasses or Barney Fifes, there are far too few of them to effectively protect the general public, as the last few weeks clearly illustrate. In the US, at any given time about 1 in 1000 people are on-duty patrolmen who might actually be near a bad event in time to help. We're seeing complete amateurs achieve astounding kill ratios before the police finally take them out, even when they specifically target police (so police are already on scene).

Dealing with these sorts of attacks isn't what police are for.

Quote: (07-24-2016 02:31 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote: (07-24-2016 04:41 AM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

^ A while back I was saying how the cops in my town were mainly lesbians and wimpy hipster beta men. They pretty much look like those pics, except the lesbians are morbidly-obese.

Does anyone feel physically-intimidated by anyone in those photos?

At least they are not 300+lbs, and spilling their gut out below the bullet proof vest, like some American cops are....

I guess the situation happened too fast for the German GS9 to arrive or do anything. They aren't wimpy at all. Well, the GS9 of the past is notorious, not sure about these days, if they look anything like these cops do.

GSG 9 was there, also Austrian Cobra. All in all more then 2300 police forces.
The Police is well trained and reacts fast. The main issue is, the manpower got reduced over decades to save money. Now you have less police in public. Also burglary did rise extreme. Police can't keep up with that because they lack the manpower. Courts also lack judges and for this some cases get dropped. Then you have a migrant that get arrest up to 30 times and release every time. Prostitution, Drugs, Money laundry, Burglary. All on the rise. Affects safety as well as a violent attack.

2300 men, huh. So, in other words, just one prick with a pistol not only killed 9 people and wounded a bunch more--burdening the emergency health care system along the way--but he wasted 10,000-20,000 man-hours of police time as well.

Quote: (07-24-2016 03:24 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

2300 men, huh. So, in other words, just one prick with a pistol not only killed 9 people and wounded a bunch more--burdening the emergency health care system along the way--but he wasted 10,000-20,000 man-hours of police time as well.

Yeah, what is the point of having all of that if the response time is atrocious? Sounds like a bigger waste of money.

Quote: (07-24-2016 09:31 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Quote: (07-24-2016 07:25 AM)hydrogonian Wrote:  

Quote: (07-24-2016 03:38 AM)Suits Wrote:  

Now, that just makes me nervous.

"Let's give a person with 60% of the muscle mass and 80% of the reaction time of a regular cop an MP5 under stress and let her point it in a population dense area."

Because, you know, there aren't any other people available with better task-specific cognitive and physical characteristics, which would make for an inherently lower risk for bystanders, for SWAT.

"Excuse me, miss. Unless you're leaning on an invisible post office box then you might want to drop that right elbow..."

It also looks like she's arching her back to the rear and standing flat-footed. One burst from that MP5 would probably put her off-balance and off target.

I'm sure the police are trained but that isn't a good look.

^

Women who are not well trained to shoot in dynamic environments often take that sort of stance because of their boobs. Pretty common to see girls stand kind of leaning back like that when shooting pistols. It's fine if they're just slow firing.

The chicken wing stance isn't uncommon either, some places train it that way. Very much an 80s technique, but we still see lots of cops using the tactical teacup grip too, so...

Quote: (07-24-2016 03:24 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

2300 men, huh. So, in other words, just one prick with a pistol not only killed 9 people and wounded a bunch more--burdening the emergency health care system along the way--but he wasted 10,000-20,000 man-hours of police time as well.

Quote: (07-24-2016 03:26 PM)TravelerKai Wrote:  

Quote: (07-24-2016 03:24 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

2300 men, huh. So, in other words, just one prick with a pistol not only killed 9 people and wounded a bunch more--burdening the emergency health care system along the way--but he wasted 10,000-20,000 man-hours of police time as well.

Yeah, what is the point of having all of that if the response time is atrocious? Sounds like a bigger waste of money.

I don't know why do you guys question this. Police got calls from multiple shooters with rifles. Würzburg terror attack just a few days ago, the Nice attack as well.
Its a pity that police couldn't stop him faster but cry for waste of money seems strange to me. Police was there quite fast as well. But how much reaction time you guys consider good when a guy just pull out a gun an shoot at people?
I prefer that the police is able to show up with such big manpower to act in the worst case instead of not reaction at all or just send two guys in a police car.