Quote: (12-14-2011 12:33 AM)pitt Wrote:
Oh really? Well, did you know that black students when joining university in Brazil dont have to pay anything simply because they are black? Not because they are poor, but because they are black. A country that has a system that makes things easier for a particular race should be considered racist, in this case, the brazillian system is inherently racist, systems tend to present themselves according to how society presents themselves.
Brazil has introduced affirmative action policies to increase the representation of "blacks"--many of whom are disproportionately poor in a country where well over 50% of the people have some level of African ancestry--in the country's universities, government agencies and in its diplomatic corps. Before hysterically asserting that these measures are tantamount to racism, I think it's important to remember how black people got to Brazil to begin with;
they arrived as slaves from Africa. As I made clear in one of my earlier posts in this thread, after the abolishing of slavery in Brazil, no program arose to promote the integration of these former slaves into society. As a result, marginalization--specifically educational and economic inequity--afflicted millions, and the resultant disastrous social consequences compounded over generations. The Brazilian government's decision to institute the recent social measures is an implicit acknowledgement of its failure in addressing a fundamental problem that poses grave dangers (economically, politically, and demographically) as the country seeks to assert itself on the world stage. Without a more equitable, educated, and prosperous workforce, Brazil's growth will be severely limited in relation to its potential, and far behind its fellow BRIC counterparts and other emerging economies. So even more than just attempting to remedy the social ills of victims suffering from the historical phenomenon of deeply problematic past injustices, one of the major underlying motives for the government's latest social policies is classically an economic one. Perhaps no social program demonstrates that fact better than "
bolsa familia," a social measure for all poor Brazilians (regardless of "race") introduced under the Lula administration that awards stipends to families if their children have good school attendance records. This program is an attempt to pull more Brazilians out of poverty so that they can become better educated and skilled enough to compete in a global economy, which is imperative to Brazil's future economic success. It's been widely praised as effective and has been mimicked by governments in other developing countries, even having influenced innovations in institutional practices such as microlending.
Quote: (12-14-2011 12:33 AM)pitt Wrote:
Another thing you mentioned which is not correct, let me assure you that in many parts of Brazil blacks dont like blacks, lighter skin people look down on dark skin people and they are not considered one race as in the states. Part of the main problem is that blacks brazillians dont like themselves as a race . If you look at most of rich black brazillians, they all usually end up marrying a white chick, you know why? Because it means status over there, you will hardly see a black rich cat dating a dark skin woman.
I'm not even sure what to make of this one. What are you basing this off? Sure, guys like Pele have married many white women, but famous black telenovela stars like Lazaro Ramos married a black woman. It has been noted often that it is not uncommon for Brazilians of opposite hues to be attracted to one other. Just as it's not uncommon to find a dark Brazilian man with a light Brazilian woman, the converse is also true. I can't count the number of times I've seen dark black women with white men in Brazil.
I've even known black girls from the US who have happily disclosed to me the ego boost they've gotten from being approached by white men while in Brazil. It's a pretty normal occurrence.
I think it's worth reminding you, again, that I've had Brazilian girlfriends as well as many Brazilian friends that live in Brazil, of all races, and have spent significant time having these type of discussions with actual Brazilians and their families. I speak from a position of factual experience, and there's nothing that I've asserted that isn't backed up by empirical observation, both anecdotal and professional.
Quote: (12-14-2011 12:33 AM)pitt Wrote:
Man this is a subject that would take a lot of research and i dont really have the time to kill right now but if i get free time end of the year, i will provide more serious evidence.
This is true, which is why I would appreciate if you coordinated your arguments better and supported them with verifiable evidence. Alleging that an enormously diverse nation is categorically racist is a pretty bold and reckless charge, especially when that nation is widely known throughout the world as being the most multicultural and racially harmonious, yet you have no facts to support it. Intellectual honesty demands that you provide evidence for your fulminating rhetoric. I really look forward to seeing what you come up with should you choose to elaborate on this topic.