Quote: (12-10-2011 02:11 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Harry:

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But I can tell you one thing, and thats that you wont see many guys in their 50's banging hot women in their 20's unless they have either a shitload of money

Why, because they are buying hookers? MiXX's grandfather impregnated a teen Columbina in his 70's... and MiXX's grandfather was not rich by any standard.

Jesus bro, you really need to stop sing anecdotal bullshit as justification for broad based views. This is what women do when they try to justify emotional positions they have taken by trying to rationalise things using one off examples.

How do you know what happened? Maybe he was paying her? Maybe she was a semi pro and both of them never wanted to admit there was an exchange of some sort? Maybe the guy did game her socks off, but its such a ridiculously rare example you might as well be talking about people who get struck by lighting.

Mixx tells us taxi drivers are fucking 9's for free in Colombia. Yet everyone who goes to Colombia reports the same thing. Hoops, flakes and more fucking hoops.

As for the guys buying hookers in the 50's? Most of the are mostly middle and upper middle class guys who are either divorced, or cant land lays anymore because they are the only 50 year olds in the clubs and bars, and they resort to becoming sex tourists. Anyone who has travelled enough sees this demographic a mile away all the time.

The really wealthy guys have their mistresses and their sluts along with the occasional whoring. But you probably wont believe that because it does not suit you to believe that. In many cases, they are often family men and dont stray.

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[quote]The only guys who think money does not matter are typically the guys who dont have any.[quote]

Who said that money doesn't matter? Not one person in this forum has said that.

All I'm saying is that, pound for pound and round for round, game trumps $$$.

And I am saying that if you believe that, you dont have the faintest idea what game even is!

Game is a social skill bud. All it is is a social skill where you create the perception of high status. You create the impression of a man in demand, a man with a ton of lays, a man with high standards, a man who does not have patience for her shit because you have options or you are busy. Its a game of status and perceived value.

Real money does most of that for you already. It gives it to you by default. Please explain to me exactly how social skills used to create perception actually trumps the real thing? Game is a push up bra, money is the tits.

It does not trump money, and the only people who think it does are people who have never been around money or are living in denial. More likely, they are rationalising something they dont have or feel they will never have. Like fatties hating on photo shopped the bikini model

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Without game, you are not getting laid. Without money, you can still get laid.

Game > Money

Lol, I raise you Donald Trump and Hugh Heffner.

Seriously, a guy with a fuckton of money could be the biggest beta out, he is never going to struggle.

Take from this what you will Sam. We can agree to disagree. I feel sorry though for the guys who think that this wont matter as they get older, and I can only chuckle under my breath at all the blokes on this forum who persist with this crap that it does not matter, when most clearly are not basing it on first hand experience at all.

Time will show you if you were right or not. Im in my mid thirties now and I am under no illusions.

Hooligan Harry i love reading your posts, you go hard man.

But i just wonder how much difference money really makes to you as a person in terms of pulling women. I am sure that lots of money would increase the number of notches of any playboys around the world but in my case (where i already have game), i think money willl just make it easier for me because i can continue to travel from place to place and be fucking women from all around the world. But i dont see the factor of me being wealthy creating instant attraction to women just because i am wealthy unless they see me driving an expensive car or they see me walking into my five star hotel. But the majority of women i will come across probably wont even know that i am rich (specially because i am not famous). I am going to break down a typical example.

I just want to understand this and hopefully you explain it to me. If for example a guy who has less game than me, doesnt look as good as me but is wealthy..we go to lets say Bulgaria or Colombia, we go to a nightclub or a shopping centre..what makes you think that he will score more women than me? I really dont see a beta guy with no game although making crazy millions scoring more ass than me when i have mad game and i am approaching every hot chick in the streets. Even if this guy had some amount of game but if he has lower average looks then i still dont see how he is going to be scoring more women than the guy with good looks and mad game unless this wealthy guy is also famous.

That is why i dont really recommend guys to go after money to get women, but guys who look good, have game and then go get money, then they have the ultimate tool.

I would like to read your take on this.

As I read these posts, I think folks are hellbent in proclaiming one factor totally above the other. Like someone mentioned earlier, if you do not have Donald Trump type of money, you will need BOTH game and money. Furthermore, you use both of them to compliment each other. Money helps so that you don't to have to work on nail down EVERY DAMN social game attribute that we have discussed on this board. Game helps so you don't need or have to spend so much money.

For those like myself who are neither wealthy nor stunning-looking, we need BOTH. Actually, BOTH...or realistically, trying to obtain as much of BOTH as possible is good because with human nature, folks may give you a "pass" if you slightly lack in some social attributes. I like talking about myself so I'll use myself as an example.

Even before I graduated college, I always used the "perceived smart guy with some urban traits" to angle myself to girls. Let me say, that I never considered myself no "smarter" than any other person but folks just assume that when you are a friggin' math/computer science major. Now as many of you probably know, there aren't too many african-american math majors walking around campus so there is one unique trait for me. Still, you have to shake the "nerd/dweeb" image. I was still in to the urban scene, hip-hop culture and more hardcore hip-hop music.

In other words, society (and mainly girls) do not expect math majors to walk around in Timberlands blasting Mobb Deep. In real life, I spent half of my upbringing in the suburbs after living my earlier upbringing in the inner-city.

The reason why I am mentioning this is because I could use two attributes to work with one another. I had enough of the "urban" skills to approach many girls but could also hit them with the "perceived" intellect. In many cases, I would get not get "graded" as harshly on something by the women because I had a little of BOTH supposedly polar-opposite attributes. I didn't HAVE to be "thuggish" but at the same time, I wasn't considered the stereotypical "nerd".

I use money and game the same way...to compliment each other. I have always had what many folks would call a "high paying job" but it doesn't put me in "forget his social game, he has overwhelming money" category so I need game also. Where money HELPS is that while I may be in the gym doing the StrongMan 5x5 program and done in one hour, I am not doing (or probably do feel the need to do) 5,000 bicep curls for 3 hours so I can wear tight-msucle shirts. Where I could just wine & dine chicks at fancy restaurants or buy them gifts constantly to "woo" them, I will use some humor or spit something else in their ear that will help sway them into pulling down those "pannies" (not panties...pannies, lol).

My point....let money and game work together...especially if you are not "top 1%" in both.

Quote: (12-10-2011 02:11 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Quote: (12-09-2011 10:41 PM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

Quote: (12-09-2011 08:18 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

Game > Money

If that makes you feel better.

Is that the best troll you can do?

Not trolling, just being honest.

As for the rest of your points...what Hooligan Harry said.

Quote: (12-10-2011 03:48 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

(12-10-2011, 07:11 AM)Samseau Wrote:  Harry:

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But I can tell you one thing, and thats that you wont see many guys in their 50's banging hot women in their 20's unless they have either a shitload of money

Why, because they are buying hookers? MiXX's grandfather impregnated a teen Columbina in his 70's... and MiXX's grandfather was not rich by any standard.

Jesus bro, you really need to stop sing anecdotal bullshit as justification for broad based views. This is what women do when they try to justify emotional positions they have taken by trying to rationalise things using one off examples.

How do you know what happened? Maybe he was paying her? Maybe she was a semi pro and both of them never wanted to admit there was an exchange of some sort? Maybe the guy did game her socks off, but its such a ridiculously rare example you might as well be talking about people who get struck by lighting.

Mixx tells us taxi drivers are fucking 9's for free in Colombia. Yet everyone who goes to Colombia reports the same thing. Hoops, flakes and more fucking hoops.

As for the guys buying hookers in the 50's? Most of the are mostly middle and upper middle class guys who are either divorced, or cant land lays anymore because they are the only 50 year olds in the clubs and bars, and they resort to becoming sex tourists. Anyone who has travelled enough sees this demographic a mile away all the time.

The really wealthy guys have their mistresses and their sluts along with the occasional whoring. But you probably wont believe that because it does not suit you to believe that. In many cases, they are often family men and dont stray.

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[quote]The only guys who think money does not matter are typically the guys who dont have any.[quote]

Who said that money doesn't matter? Not one person in this forum has said that.

All I'm saying is that, pound for pound and round for round, game trumps $$$.

And I am saying that if you believe that, you dont have the faintest idea what game even is!

Game is a social skill bud. All it is is a social skill where you create the perception of high status. You create the impression of a man in demand, a man with a ton of lays, a man with high standards, a man who does not have patience for her shit because you have options or you are busy. Its a game of status and perceived value.

Real money does most of that for you already. It gives it to you by default. Please explain to me exactly how social skills used to create perception actually trumps the real thing? Game is a push up bra, money is the tits.

It does not trump money, and the only people who think it does are people who have never been around money or are living in denial. More likely, they are rationalising something they dont have or feel they will never have. Like fatties hating on photo shopped the bikini model

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Without game, you are not getting laid. Without money, you can still get laid.

Game > Money

Lol, I raise you Donald Trump and Hugh Heffner.

Seriously, a guy with a fuckton of money could be the biggest beta out, he is never going to struggle.

Take from this what you will Sam. We can agree to disagree. I feel sorry though for the guys who think that this wont matter as they get older, and I can only chuckle under my breath at all the blokes on this forum who persist with this crap that it does not matter, when most clearly are not basing it on first hand experience at all.

Time will show you if you were right or not. Im in my mid thirties now and I am under no illusions.

Didn't Donald Trump go through 2 expensive divorces?

Money is the pad up bra, game are the big boobs. I don't argue that money won't help you(in fact most of my time right now is spent on business) however game is essential regarding women.

The number of betas that get screwed in divorces just shows how important game is.

Money does not attract women(unless you're referring to gold diggers or career status whores). Money will not make a women's vagina wet. At best you can use your money to give you social status to get laid and attract women.

Money is simply a tool to put yourself in a location where you can meet attractive women. Flight tickets cost money. But its absurd to think that money really has any effect on attraction especially when people on this forum are player who don't want a LTR.

Hell, that's why guys like MiXX are cheap as fuck with their money when it comes to spending it on girls. You start spending money on a girl and she'll start thinking long term. Better to keep your cash hidden and let the girls guess how much you're worth especially if you're in a poor country.

My friend had sex with 50 women last year and he makes a passive income of 15-20K a month. This year I saw him get 3 lays in 4 days of day game in Toronto. This is in Toronto, a city that's supposed to be difficult. He dresses in the same shirt every day that makes him look like a broke student earning a max of 2 k a month. When he was here this summer he stayed in student housing. I've seen his bank account too and its incredibly impressive for a 22 year old guy.

There's no way a girl will know he's that rich. In fact girls think he's a DJ. He saves most of his cash but he's location independent. Money provides the lifestyle and freedom but it sure as hell doesn't make the pussy wet.

Quote: (12-10-2011 04:25 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Hooligan Harry i love reading your posts, you go hard man.

But i just wonder how much difference money really makes to you as a person in terms of pulling women. I am sure that lots of money would increase the number of notches of any playboys around the world but in my case (where i already have game), i think money willl just make it easier for me because i can continue to travel from place to place and be fucking women from all around the world. But i dont see the factor of me being wealthy creating instant attraction to women just because i am wealthy unless they see me driving an expensive car or they see me walking into my five star hotel. But the majority of women i will come across probably wont even know that i am rich (specially because i am not famous). I am going to break down a typical example.

I just want to understand this and hopefully you explain it to me. If for example a guy who has less game than me, doesnt look as good as me but is wealthy..we go to lets say Bulgaria or Colombia, we go to a nightclub or a shopping centre..what makes you think that he will score more women than me? I really dont see a beta guy with no game although making crazy millions scoring more ass than me when i have mad game and i am approaching every hot chick in the streets. Even if this guy had some amount of game but if he has lower average looks then i still dont see how he is going to be scoring more women than the guy with good looks and mad game unless this wealthy guy is also famous.

That is why i dont really recommend guys to go after money to get women, but guys who look good, have game and then go get money, then they have the ultimate tool.

I would like to read your take on this.

Everyone always makes out like you are always going to be competing directly for women, and while its true sometimes its not true all the time. You are not going to be heads up against other men all the time unless you are relying on nothing but clubs and bars.

When you walk into a club, everyone is well dressed. The best looking guys who have the social skills to handle the bitches are going to be fucking. If you are in a proper dance club, the pretty boys who can dance are going to be fucking. If some 50 year old multi millionaire walks into that club cold he is going to be going home alone that night because there is no way for him to convey what he is worth. He is just some 50 year old guy. He could offer to buy a round of drinks or try throw some money around, but we all know that its going to count for shit and would do him more harm than good.

But the difference is that the 50 year old multimillionaire is not going to walk into the club without a woman in the first place. And he is not going to at the bar buying drinks, he is going to be in the VIP area where they run his booze to him. And he is not going to dance, he would rather talk shit and relax with the people he is with while his dumb bitch dances around before he takes her home and fucks her.

Where wealthy men come into their own is just by doing their day to day shit. A bitch at the gym saw him get out of a half a million dollar car. A waitress where he eats sees the monster credit card. The air hostess in first class sees the watch. They simply make themselves more available to them and they are a bit more aggressive with these guys. Where you have to open them, they open the wealthy guy.

The major difference is that while you are chasing them and gaming them, the shoe is on the other foot when you are wealthy. And it would be no different if you were famous or were known to have a lot of power, like a senator or well known politician. Which means they spend far less time working the bitch.

Now lets compare that to game. Women are not really opening you unless you are really good looking or stood out in some way, so you open random women or you focus on those who showed some level of interest in you. This is typical for most men. Some do this only in clubs and bars, others do it everywhere. So you are working numbers where there is no certainty of interest on her part, unlike the rich or famous guy who she made her interest obvious to.

Part of that interaction is where the social status whoring starts. All the DHV tricks, negs, push/pull, positive confidence, whatever the fuck you are doing in an effort to seduce the slut. All of this is a social skill where you mimic what a man with status would already have by default. You mimic the "alpha" traits. All you are doing is passing shit test after shit test showing her that you are a high value male who should have access to her ovaries.

Compared to the real high status man though, he does not have to prove as much because she subconsciously thinks positively about him from the get go, and its his to fuck up from there. But her guard is way down, unlike with the PUA, who has to work through the bitch shield first.

What impact does this have on your day to day life? Fuck all, just do your thing. Who cares if some guys are better looking than you? Who cares if someone has more money? Who cares if you need to lose 10kg's? Make the ho say no while you just do your thing.

In the process, just accept that things like looks, money, fame, power and game all count and they do matter. Money, looks, fame...THEY ARE GAME. They are attraction triggers in women. But never let the lack of one thing stop you. You should not be approaching and trying to fuck everything in sight regardless of where you are at. Make the women decide, dont make the decision for her.

All this means is that you need to focus on everything, not one particular thing. Your life as a whole is going to be a lot easier if you have money, and your sex life will be a lot easier if you have money too. The more of everything you have, be it looks, money, fame, power or game the more opportunities you are going to have.

You wont find many broke, bald, overweight, short men with game fucking 9's, but you will find that a lot of men with money match that description and they are not going to struggle to fuck those same women.

Quote: (12-10-2011 04:46 AM)torontokid Wrote:  

Didn't Donald Trump go through 2 expensive divorces?

So what?

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Money is simply a tool to put yourself in a location where you can meet attractive women. Flight tickets cost money. But its absurd to think that money really has any effect on attraction especially when people on this forum are player who don't want a LTR.

Hell, that's why guys like MiXX are cheap as fuck with their money when it comes to spending it on girls. You start spending money on a girl and she'll start thinking long term. Better to keep your cash hidden and let the girls guess how much you're worth especially if you're in a poor country.

Again, when money is an issue to you, you feel like you are spending it on people. People can see this and its a sign of weakness. Its a hardline attempt to buy status. When money means shit to you, you throw it away on things you wanted to do without a minutes thought. You just made something important that people value seem like it meant nothing to you.

Who has power here? The guy refusing to buy the drink or making everyone split the check? Or the guy who just made the whole thing seem like he just wiped his ass and was indifferent about it?

Why cant you meet attractive women at home? Why do you need to travel to some third world country where 20% live below the breadline and the 60% live on a pittance compared to what you earn? Ill be the first to agree that I love the difference in culture and feminine women, but we are kidding ourselves if we dont do it because our dollars go further.

Now why the fuck do you need your dollars to go further when you are chasing women IF MONEY MEANS FUCK ALL.

Why are you spending money on women? You dont spend money on them, you let them tag along with you. There is a major difference between the two.

Im telling you right now. Every single guy here who makes a big deal about spending money is not wealthy and is trying to justify why they are tight. Their mindset is not one of wealth or abundance. Its one where money is rare and hard to come by, hence why you dont "waste" it.

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My friend had sex with 50 women last year and he makes a passive income of 15-20K a month. This year I saw him get 3 lays in 4 days of day game in Toronto. This is in Toronto, a city that's supposed to be difficult. He dresses in the same shirt every day that makes him look like a broke student earning a max of 2 k a month. When he was here this summer he stayed in student housing. I've seen his bank account too and its incredibly impressive for a 22 year old guy.

There's no way a girl will know he's that rich. In fact girls think he's a DJ. He saves most of his cash but he's location independent. Money provides the lifestyle and freedom but it sure as hell doesn't make the pussy wet.

HE IS NOT RICH. 250k A YEAR IS NOT RICH.

How old is this master Yoda by the way? When I was 21, fucking women in student accommodation was no problem. If I had to take a 21 year old bitch to shared accommodation at my age, I would be working my ass off to be fucking her again if I wanted it.

You need to find some perspective guys. Its like dealing with a bunch of religious nuts in here at times.

Break it down to its simplest form.

1) WHAT IS "GAME?"
2) HOW NATURAL DOES MY "GAME" BECOME WHEN I HAVE MONEY
3) HOW MUCH MORE SEX DO I GET WHEN GAME IS COMING NATURALLY TO ME?

Again

1) WHAT IS "GAME?"
2) HOW NATURAL DOES MY "GAME" BECOME WHEN I KNOW WOMEN FIND ME ATTRACTIVE
3) HOW MUCH MORE SEX DO I GET WHEN GAME IS COMING NATURALLY TO ME?

Again

1) WHAT IS "GAME?"
2) HOW NATURAL DOES MY "GAME" BECOME WHEN I DOMINATE SOCIAL INTERACTIONS?
3) HOW MUCH MORE SEX DO I GET WHEN GAME IS COMING NATURALLY TO ME?

How many more times would you like me to repeat this to you?

Once again, I have to say that Harry doesn't fcuk about. He has hit the nail on the head.

Game is all about DHV and money plays a big factor in the DHV.
The reason lizards decide to fcuk guys is because in their minds, we have been able to hit the protector instinct in their head.

Now I am not one to discount the importance of game because if someone relies SOLELY on money, they will think that flooding a lizard with gifts and money will guarantee them azz and that's why many cats end up getting their pockets unnecessarily fcuked.

One of my friends in the UK was a millionaire. We used to hang out A LOT and go clubbing and this and that. I didn't see his money as anything special because I found he got sprung too easily off of these slappers and game would have helped him tighten this up and observe who the fcuking grubbers were.
If my money was long like Manute Bol, I wouldn't be too concerned if some little trout was trying to drink off of me for free but I don't like to just burn money needlessly when it could be better leveraged with some game.
So that's why some game matters.

However, money is one of the stronger levers for spitting game on these lizards. Money is age independent and looks independent and perhaps even race independent.

Show me a 55 year old who looks his age and has the money of a teenager in a college age spitting superhuman game at 22 year olds and see how many SNL's he gets.

Also for those nay sayers of money, realise this. Your game has to change according to your age. When you are of a certain age, people (including lizards) expect a different experience from you in convo and in your DHV.
If a smoking hot 22 year old lizard decides to bang a 15 year old dude, she will not be surprised if she has to bang in:
a) The park or some other free public area
b) The back of his dad's pickup truck
c) Some venue that she may have had to arrange.

However, if you come at her with the same logistics at 35, on average, your DHV will be shot down.
These logistics are money dependent.
If a 18 year old is spitting at a 22 year old and he has never left his own country, never done shyt but slay a bunch of broads in his home town, she might think..that's cool and fcuk with him.
If you are 35 and you come with the same limited experiences, your DHV goes down.

So to quote Harry, you will NOT be able to get the same quality of lizards (22, smoking hot) when you are older if your game gets better AND your money stays the same.


Why are some guys able to get more lizards in certain countries than the locals? Do you guys honestly think you have more game than these Dominicans, these Colombians, the Brazillians, these Cubans that have grown up in these countries?
Do you think that game was originated in North America?

Why is it that these same guys KILL it when they come to our countries?

As you know, I've hung out with a lot of FOB Caribbeans particularly Jamaicans in both England and Canada and when they've come over, their notch count is higher than us locals!

Shiiit, I knew one cat that was actually banging lizards on the living room floor (because he shared at one bedroom apartment with three adults so his quarters were actually the living room floor. This was while his adult siblings slept in the bedroom!

My point is, these cats have game in their own countries but the reason we bang more of their lizards with less effort when we go there is because as foreigners, we have a higher social status than the locals because being foreign = the chance to be taken to the Western hemisphere (where money grows on trees <insert sarcasm>).
So the equation in this example is: foreign = money.

To excuse the importance of money is delusional and delusion is not something we men should strive to entertain.

I think the fear of some of us is that we can learn game but we cannot 'learn' wealth and every man likes to think he has a fighting chance (me included).
That's why some of us don't like to hear when a particular race kills it in a certain country, it rubs us the wrong way (me included).

However, this elephant is big enough for all of us. It is what it is.

Fortunately for many of us, we live in countries where making good money is very possible regardless of your class fitting i.e. North America.

Strive for that. Many of us will not make Donald Trump money. Don't worry about that too much.

But if you make enough to pay for your car note, your nice pad, and frequent travels to poor countries to slay the locals, be happy.

Oooh, I can't compete with Donald Trump and <insert other rich fart>.
Cool. Go to another country where in comparison, your western dollars make you seem like the 'rich fart' there.

That's what I do. Don't fight facts. Just work with them.

To make their point people always seem to take their example to extremes i.e you have to be earning a million a year to be wealthy and lets see how this imaginary guy operates. If you're going to take it to this extreme you have to pit this guy against an equally outlandish guy for the opposite side i.e a guy in the top 0.1% of looks, charming, fun, basically great with the ladies now out of these guys who will get more ass? I'm going with number 2 all the way 20s, 30s, 40s, maybe the rich guy will start pulling ahead in his 50s or 60s but at that age if he wants young girls they'll just be straight up gold diggers.

The actual original question wasn't whether money trumps game it was whether you should put aside women in your twenties and go hard to make money then with a bigger bank roll in your thirties concentrate on women with the increased opportunity that the extra money provides.

I think it's best to have a balance, for most people it's easier to get women in their twenties so why give this up for some future payoff 10 years down the line?

I really think people have some whack ideas about what you need to be wealthy, the 22 year old making 20k a month location independent is not wealthy? Only in a handful of cities in the world is this not wealthy.

Quote: (12-10-2011 12:23 PM)Jalouse Wrote:  

To make their point people always seem to take their example to extremes i.e you have to be earning a million a year to be wealthy and lets see how this imaginary guy operates. If you're going to take it to this extreme you have to pit this guy against an equally outlandish guy for the opposite side i.e a guy in the top 0.1% of looks, charming, fun, basically great with the ladies now out of these guys who will get more ass? I'm going with number 2 all the way 20s, 30s, 40s, maybe the rich guy will start pulling ahead in his 50s or 60s but at that age if he wants young girls they'll just be straight up gold diggers.

The actual original question wasn't whether money trumps game it was whether you should put aside women in your twenties and go hard to make money then with a bigger bank roll in your thirties concentrate on women with the increased opportunity that the extra money provides.

I think it's best to have a balance, for most people it's easier to get women in their twenties so why give this up for some future payoff 10 years down the line?

I agree with this. When people say money doesn't matter and uses Mark Zuckenburg as an example with his 'average' lizard, what about that cat in the 3rd world country with super game and lives in a village in the middle of the amazon jungle?
He isn't pulling dymes because although he has super game, he has no money.
Game is about status again. In poor countries, there are plenty of funny guys with big dycks, rhythm and jokes.
But big dycks, rhythm and jokes doesn't put food on the table or a roof over the head. It doesn't cover school fees or medical bills.
Life is about survival.

Quote: (12-10-2011 12:23 PM)Jalouse Wrote:  

I really think people have some whack ideas about what you need to be wealthy, the 22 year old making 20k a month location independent is not wealthy? Only in a handful of cities in the world is this not wealthy.

I concur with this fully. If I was making 20k a month location independent, why would I want to live in a city where it wasn't considered wealthy?
I'd go somewhere where I am considered a king with that type of money, slay numerous lizards, eat natural and great food and enjoy creature comforts.
It only makes logical sense.

Quote: (12-10-2011 04:46 AM)torontokid Wrote:  

My friend had sex with 50 women last year and he makes a passive income of 15-20K a month. This year I saw him get 3 lays in 4 days of day game in Toronto. This is in Toronto, a city that's supposed to be difficult. He dresses in the same shirt every day that makes him look like a broke student earning a max of 2 k a month. When he was here this summer he stayed in student housing. I've seen his bank account too and its incredibly impressive for a 22 year old guy.

There's no way a girl will know he's that rich. In fact girls think he's a DJ. He saves most of his cash but he's location independent. Money provides the lifestyle and freedom but it sure as hell doesn't make the pussy wet.

TKid - Would you mind sharing some insight on what he does to make this kind of money with all that freedom of location independence?

HH-

I see that your perspective is of an older man's. In that case yes, a 55 year old man will need to have money in the west. As I said however a rich man without game is going to get divorce raped. It happens all the time with NBA sports stars and celebrities. In dealings with women game comes before money because a rich beta is a sucker for all kinds of scams.

Of course a rich guy with game would kill a guy with just game. A lot more access and he can easily build a lifestyle. But I doubt a guy with just money will go into a new country and be able to meet a new women in a night club. He's tied down to one situation or area with his entourage.

As Tyler Durden explained in the Blueprint a lot of these very rich guys would be massive pimps in their hometowns but completely useless elsewhere. A guy with game will do well anywhere and is adaptable.

I find it amusing you think that a 22 year old earning 20k a month is not rich. Sure he may not be rich compared to a guy in his 30s or 40s but he's bill gates compared to the debt addled guys his age. I doubt that you were earning that much at his age.

"Why are you spending money on women? You dont spend money on them, you let them tag along with you. There is a major difference between the two.

Im telling you right now. Every single guy here who makes a big deal about spending money is not wealthy and is trying to justify why they are tight. Their mindset is not one of wealth or abundance. Its one where money is rare and hard to come by, hence why you dont "waste" it. "

A rich guy without game will spend money on women unless he's a natural playa(in which case he does have game). I see it all the time in Toronto.

Yes you're right, I'm not wealthy(I'm 18, cut me some slack). However I don't have a mindset that money's hard to come by. I'm working to ensure I'll have plenty of cash in the near future. Spending money is fine if you're doing it for yourself but what rich guys without game do is spend it on the girls while the girl goes and fucks someone else.

Of course, I'm coming from a Canadian paradigm.

A rich guy in Southeast Asia will not have his lizard cheating on him. She knows he's important and will take care of him well to keep him around.

But a rich guy in Toronto will have a lizard cheating on him if he's a pussy or a beta. My friend who flies in those kind of model social circles is very familiar with this behavior. He's a lawyer but he keeps a tight hand on his wallet when the lizards are around. Girls try to extract cash from him but they can't.

The same can't be said about other guys. These kind of attractive lizards have 3-4 rich guys on their rotation that buy them shit and take care of them. He's the only one who does not shell out the cash. Thats because he has tight game. An attractive women in Toronto who's a 9 and in her 20s is like a godesss. She literally has hundreds of guys pursuing her.

Being rich doesn't do anything other than be used as a glorified wallet in a place like Toronto.

Of course I'm not arguing against pursuing money but its foolish to think a lizard will start getting wet when she sees your bank account. All it does is create manipulative thoughts in her mind about how to benefit of that.

Quote: (12-10-2011 12:39 PM)Moma Wrote:  

I concur with this fully. If I was making 20k a month location independent, why would I want to live in a city where it wasn't considered wealthy?
I'd go somewhere where I am considered a king with that type of money, slay numerous lizards, eat natural and great food and enjoy creature comforts.
It only makes logical sense.

He has a lot of friends in Toronto which is why he spent the summer here.

He makes the money in Internet Marketing.

Toronto

At 18 years old, you are inexperienced and you are basing almost everything on what you read or are being told. Age and experience counts for a lot and it shapes opinion. Right now you are arguing theoretical vs experience. You dont have much to base anything on at all at your age. Dont take offense to it, its just the way it is.

Maybe forum policy should be to expect members to post their age.

I do agree with you on a lot of levels, although I disagree that it is a prerequisite to have many millions of dollars to have top notch game. The sheer setup of capitalism would prevent most from ever attaining this status. Your points about money & fame are very valid. How else could a dude that straight up looks like a deranged gremlin (Lil Wayne) effortlessly score some of the hottest pussy on the planet without putting in an ounce of effort lol. All kinds of groupies are constantly throwing themselves at dudes like him lol.

Quote: (12-10-2011 05:39 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Quote: (12-10-2011 04:25 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Hooligan Harry i love reading your posts, you go hard man.

But i just wonder how much difference money really makes to you as a person in terms of pulling women. I am sure that lots of money would increase the number of notches of any playboys around the world but in my case (where i already have game), i think money willl just make it easier for me because i can continue to travel from place to place and be fucking women from all around the world. But i dont see the factor of me being wealthy creating instant attraction to women just because i am wealthy unless they see me driving an expensive car or they see me walking into my five star hotel. But the majority of women i will come across probably wont even know that i am rich (specially because i am not famous). I am going to break down a typical example.

I just want to understand this and hopefully you explain it to me. If for example a guy who has less game than me, doesnt look as good as me but is wealthy..we go to lets say Bulgaria or Colombia, we go to a nightclub or a shopping centre..what makes you think that he will score more women than me? I really dont see a beta guy with no game although making crazy millions scoring more ass than me when i have mad game and i am approaching every hot chick in the streets. Even if this guy had some amount of game but if he has lower average looks then i still dont see how he is going to be scoring more women than the guy with good looks and mad game unless this wealthy guy is also famous.

That is why i dont really recommend guys to go after money to get women, but guys who look good, have game and then go get money, then they have the ultimate tool.

I would like to read your take on this.

Everyone always makes out like you are always going to be competing directly for women, and while its true sometimes its not true all the time. You are not going to be heads up against other men all the time unless you are relying on nothing but clubs and bars.

When you walk into a club, everyone is well dressed. The best looking guys who have the social skills to handle the bitches are going to be fucking. If you are in a proper dance club, the pretty boys who can dance are going to be fucking. If some 50 year old multi millionaire walks into that club cold he is going to be going home alone that night because there is no way for him to convey what he is worth. He is just some 50 year old guy. He could offer to buy a round of drinks or try throw some money around, but we all know that its going to count for shit and would do him more harm than good.

But the difference is that the 50 year old multimillionaire is not going to walk into the club without a woman in the first place. And he is not going to at the bar buying drinks, he is going to be in the VIP area where they run his booze to him. And he is not going to dance, he would rather talk shit and relax with the people he is with while his dumb bitch dances around before he takes her home and fucks her.

Where wealthy men come into their own is just by doing their day to day shit. A bitch at the gym saw him get out of a half a million dollar car. A waitress where he eats sees the monster credit card. The air hostess in first class sees the watch. They simply make themselves more available to them and they are a bit more aggressive with these guys. Where you have to open them, they open the wealthy guy.

The major difference is that while you are chasing them and gaming them, the shoe is on the other foot when you are wealthy. And it would be no different if you were famous or were known to have a lot of power, like a senator or well known politician. Which means they spend far less time working the bitch.

Now lets compare that to game. Women are not really opening you unless you are really good looking or stood out in some way, so you open random women or you focus on those who showed some level of interest in you. This is typical for most men. Some do this only in clubs and bars, others do it everywhere. So you are working numbers where there is no certainty of interest on her part, unlike the rich or famous guy who she made her interest obvious to.

Part of that interaction is where the social status whoring starts. All the DHV tricks, negs, push/pull, positive confidence, whatever the fuck you are doing in an effort to seduce the slut. All of this is a social skill where you mimic what a man with status would already have by default. You mimic the "alpha" traits. All you are doing is passing shit test after shit test showing her that you are a high value male who should have access to her ovaries.

Compared to the real high status man though, he does not have to prove as much because she subconsciously thinks positively about him from the get go, and its his to fuck up from there. But her guard is way down, unlike with the PUA, who has to work through the bitch shield first.

What impact does this have on your day to day life? Fuck all, just do your thing. Who cares if some guys are better looking than you? Who cares if someone has more money? Who cares if you need to lose 10kg's? Make the ho say no while you just do your thing.

In the process, just accept that things like looks, money, fame, power and game all count and they do matter. Money, looks, fame...THEY ARE GAME. They are attraction triggers in women. But never let the lack of one thing stop you. You should not be approaching and trying to fuck everything in sight regardless of where you are at. Make the women decide, dont make the decision for her.

All this means is that you need to focus on everything, not one particular thing. Your life as a whole is going to be a lot easier if you have money, and your sex life will be a lot easier if you have money too. The more of everything you have, be it looks, money, fame, power or game the more opportunities you are going to have.

You wont find many broke, bald, overweight, short men with game fucking 9's, but you will find that a lot of men with money match that description and they are not going to struggle to fuck those same women.

Quote: (12-10-2011 10:49 PM)reppin_the_847 Wrote:  

I do agree with you on a lot of levels, although I disagree that it is a prerequisite to have many millions of dollars to have top notch game. The sheer setup of capitalism would prevent most from ever attaining this status. Your points about money & fame are very valid. How else could a dude that straight up looks like a deranged gremlin (Lil Wayne) effortlessly score some of the hottest pussy on the planet without putting in an ounce of effort lol. All kinds of groupies are constantly throwing themselves at dudes like him lol.

LMAO!!!

But on the real, I think Tdot kid has a very valid point there. HH is absolutely right in the importance of money but if one doesn't have their game on lock, they will lose unnecessary money as they will be unable to filter accurately for golddiggers. They will, in essence, just become a trick.

I think when one has money, their aspect of game knowledge changes to be able to determine the golddiggers and manipulate their wants accordingly so that the wealthy guy gets gratification on his OWN terms, not hers.

Tdot kid illustrates the same reason why some guys in the NBA waste their money on smart lizards whereas others don't slip up.
To give you a good example, Kobe's expensive lawsuit with that Colorado sket who tried to hit him up with the rape charge.
If he was hip to the game, he would have had his bases covered (have one of his boys on standby recording that shyt or some other type of manoeuvre).
Mos Def married a stripper, alimony I believe he had to pay out 5 mill to the ho (how many dances was that worth?)
Nas, Eddie Murphy (child support of 50K per month), not hip to the game.

In conclusion, I think there is a poor game and rich game. If you step to certain tables (flooded with 9's in a swagged up city like Miami, LA perhaps Vegas also) with poor game, you won't even be permitted entry to start playing (WILL be ignored by the 9 rating lizards there).
No matter how slick you are, most dyme lizards will not engage you 's because they know there is NOTHING for them to get from you.

Again, it's the same reason why some lizards fcuk with us guys much more when we are in their poor countries. It's not because our dycks swing faster than the locals. It's not because our swag is slicker than the locals.

Your foreign status by default supersedes the poor locals.

Travelling to a poor country can give some of us ordinary people a great example of how powerful money is, as a lever.

Quote: (12-10-2011 09:53 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

The same can't be said about other guys. These kind of attractive lizards have 3-4 rich guys on their rotation that buy them shit and take care of them. He's the only one who does not shell out the cash. Thats because he has tight game. An attractive women in Toronto who's a 9 and in her 20s is like a godesss. She literally has hundreds of guys pursuing her.

Being rich doesn't do anything other than be used as a glorified wallet in a place like Toronto.

This may be a core issue in this debate: perspective.

In Toronto and some other alpha cities, a high income may not do as much for you as it would in a place like upstate New York (where I live). Here, even a low six-figure income can make a big difference for a guy in snagging and keeping an attractive girl, since it isn't that common. In Toronto, women have a much larger number of options and any individual well-off guy has tons of competition, much more than he would in Syracuse, Buffalo or Albany. Judging from what MiXX has said, this is especially true in a place like Miami as well (also an alpha city).

So you can see a clear difference in perspective. In other parts of the world (and I'd venture to say most of North America outside of places like Miami, NYC, Toronto and other alpha cities), the effect of wealth may not be the same. Not every part of the world is like Toronto or DC where any 9 will have legions of pathetic (but still wealthy) simps following her. In fact, I'd venture that places like those are a minority globally (most people obviously do not live in alpha cities).

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Of course I'm not arguing against pursuing money but its foolish to think a lizard will start getting wet when she sees your bank account. All it does is create manipulative thoughts in her mind about how to benefit of that.

...in Toronto (where it isn't hard for a hot girl to build a rotation of guys to manipulate). Money might go a lot further in most other places where your average 8 or 9 has a much harder time lining up a stable of well-to-do simps. Don't forget that this feat is not so easily accomplished outside of the more notable urban areas in the west. Betaized western SWPL men may put up with it and trick if they got it, but globally, a lot of guys will not (or at the very least won't have the funds to pull it off).

I think if money is not your thing then there is not really need for you to be chasing it, as long as you have enough to travel and shit, you should be cool.

However money for me is part of my lifestyle, i cant live without thinking about creating ways to make money, invest it, exchange ideas with other business people, this is just part of my lifestyle, its like chasing chicks in the streets, I LOVE IT.

The countries that we usually travel to and many of us on here plan to live, we wont really need that much money, even if we were 55 and we were making only 60k per year in south america, we would still be fucking dimes. That shit could allow us to buy an expensive car (their standards), live in a luxury house and we all know how women there are just mad easy. 60k per year would have us buying nice clothes and look like an old cat with money, when we approach these young dimes we would be fucking them.

However i love too much money to just stop on 60k per year, this money shit is even better than fucking women. Women is only good when you are horny. How many bad bitches have you met and you thought to yourself, ''jeez if i ever fuck this girl my life would be so much better?'' and then soon as you fuck her, she loses all that value, then you see another bad bitch and the same thing happens when you fuck her and you do this on regular basis and you just think, fuck it, let me focus in making money. I think guys who value pussy over money are either not that smart, or they dont have that many projects in their lives or they have not fucked that many hot women.

I am definetely not after money for the pussy, i am doing it because i love it and i cant see myself just live my life in focusing in one thing (pussy).

Well said my man. I also have attain a thrill from chasing the almighty dollar as well. I've had my low points including a bad break in sportsbetting after potentially cashing out a NICE sum off of a lucky parlay. Since kicking that habit I've been researching like crazy when I'm not busy with my monotonous dayjob. From a sales perspective, I always see opportunities to make $ when one is able to provide any sort of value to a customer. The whales & big wigs just happen to do just that on a much bigger macro scale. A lot of these folks had connections and/or high-end degrees and MBA's. That's the only difference folks. Folks with higher end professional degrees like doctors & lawyers from top schools also make serious cash after years of slaving away to the books. Then you have entrepreneurs in various industries doing it real big as well.

Quote: (12-11-2011 01:30 AM)pitt Wrote:  

I think if money is not your thing then there is not really need for you to be chasing it, as long as you have enough to travel and shit, you should be cool.

However money for me is part of my lifestyle, i cant live without thinking about creating ways to make money, invest it, exchange ideas with other business people, this is just part of my lifestyle, its like chasing chicks in the streets, I LOVE IT.

The countries that we usually travel to and many of us on here plan to live, we wont really need that much money, even if we were 55 and we were making only 60k per year in south america, we would still be fucking dimes. That shit could allow us to buy an expensive car (their standards), live in a luxury house and we all know how women there are just mad easy. 60k per year would have us buying nice clothes and look like an old cat with money, when we approach these young dimes we would be fucking them.

However i love too much money to just stop on 60k per year, this money shit is even better than fucking women. Women is only good when you are horny. How many bad bitches have you met and you thought to yourself, ''jeez if i ever fuck this girl my life would be so much better?'' and then soon as you fuck her, she loses all that value, then you see another bad bitch and the same thing happens when you fuck her and you do this on regular basis and you just think, fuck it, let me focus in making money. I think guys who value pussy over money are either not that smart, or they dont have that many projects in their lives or they have not fucked that many hot women.

I am definetely not after money for the pussy, i am doing it because i love it and i cant see myself just live my life in focusing in one thing (pussy).

I have to concur strongly with Athlone. Growing up in London, I never had an interest in making money because I didn't see how far it could go living there.
I found things ridiculously expensive there and there wasn't just enough for bang for the buck (pound).

Now fast forward, move to U.S. I saw how far money could go. Class didn't matter a damn thing. I saw hood cats with paper with fine things including extremely fine lizards. Latin, black whatever, I'd never seen such fine lizards in my life (talking about Miami here).
In London, guys were wearing very expensive garms Moschino, Versace, Avirex jackets, chaps (gold bracelets) and still have to hustle their arses off to lash decent lizards.
By the way the fashion that I speak of, encompasses the urban London crowd (not a black/white/brown thing).
In Miami, I saw guys that would struggle in London cleaning up.
Guys with strong African looks struggled in London. Not so in Miami.
Guys with the same looks were scooping top lookers left right and centre.
Money talks.
Those who are in cities where money doesn't flow won't understand.
Toronto is not flash like that and money doesn't flow that quickly.
In DR it definitely does (hopefully el mechanico can attest) and many other countries.

With money, being in certain cities makes one realise what it's all about. One won't need to worry about closing or watching my words or not texting too soon, the type of voicemail messages to leave and all that other tedious bullshyt.

You can be black, white, brown or indigo and you will be thinking about painting a picture, playing the piano because getting your dyck wet will be no more of a concern than the concerns of an employed guy living in Manhattan worried about getting a bite to eat on a Saturday afternoon.

Yo bro you currently reside in Miami? I've been there once (Miami Beach & Miami) some years back and I would LOVE to go back at some point lol. I'm in cold-ass Chicago.

Quote: (12-11-2011 02:45 AM)Moma Wrote:  

I have to concur strongly with Athlone. Growing up in London, I never had an interest in making money because I didn't see how far it could go living there.
I found things ridiculously expensive there and there wasn't just enough for bang for the buck (pound).

Now fast forward, move to U.S. I saw how far money could go. Class didn't matter a damn thing. I saw hood cats with paper with fine things including extremely fine lizards. Latin, black whatever, I'd never seen such fine lizards in my life (talking about Miami here).
In London, guys were wearing very expensive garms Moschino, Versace, Avirex jackets, chaps (gold bracelets) and still have to hustle their arses off to lash decent lizards.
By the way the fashion that I speak of, encompasses the urban London crowd (not a black/white/brown thing).
In Miami, I saw guys that would struggle in London cleaning up.
Guys with strong African looks struggled in London. Not so in Miami.
Guys with the same looks were scooping top lookers left right and centre.
Money talks.
Those who are in cities where money doesn't flow won't understand.
Toronto is not flash like that and money doesn't flow that quickly.
In DR it definitely does (hopefully el mechanico can attest) and many other countries.

With money, being in certain cities makes one realise what it's all about. One won't need to worry about closing or watching my words or not texting too soon, the type of voicemail messages to leave and all that other tedious bullshyt.

You can be black, white, brown or indigo and you will be thinking about painting a picture, playing the piano because getting your dyck wet will be no more of a concern than the concerns of an employed guy living in Manhattan worried about getting a bite to eat on a Saturday afternoon.

Quote: (12-11-2011 02:51 AM)reppin_the_847 Wrote:  

Yo bro you currently reside in Miami? I've been there once (Miami Beach & Miami) some years back and I would LOVE to go back at some point lol. I'm in cold-ass Chicago.

Nah I lived there for a bit but now I'm in cold ass Toronto (makes Chicago seem like Florida in comparison).

Right now, I am staring at the weather channel and it's -12 degrees celsius.
Whoopee.

Hahahah, Toronto ain't that bad brotha. It's actually quite comparable to Chicago. I have FOND memories of the Guvernment nightclub there like 9 years ago back when I was 20 and underage for the USA scene lol.

Quote: (12-11-2011 03:13 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Quote: (12-11-2011 02:51 AM)reppin_the_847 Wrote:  

Yo bro you currently reside in Miami? I've been there once (Miami Beach & Miami) some years back and I would LOVE to go back at some point lol. I'm in cold-ass Chicago.

Nah I lived there for a bit but now I'm in cold ass Toronto (makes Chicago seem like Florida in comparison).

Right now, I am staring at the weather channel and it's -12 degrees celsius.
Whoopee.

Quote: (12-10-2011 05:39 AM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

What impact does this have on your day to day life? Fuck all, just do your thing. Who cares if some guys are better looking than you? Who cares if someone has more money? Who cares if you need to lose 10kg's? Make the ho say no while you just do your thing.

In the process, just accept that things like looks, money, fame, power and game all count and they do matter. Money, looks, fame...THEY ARE GAME. They are attraction triggers in women. But never let the lack of one thing stop you. You should not be approaching and trying to fuck everything in sight regardless of where you are at. Make the women decide, dont make the decision for her.

All this means is that you need to focus on everything, not one particular thing. Your life as a whole is going to be a lot easier if you have money, and your sex life will be a lot easier if you have money too. The more of everything you have, be it looks, money, fame, power or game the more opportunities you are going to have.

Amazing steam of posts Hooligan. Thanks boss.

I thought this part resonated perfectly...especially your bolded words.

I'm just confused why some people aren't understanding this!

Sometimes I used to think my shit didn't stink and my game was just the way it was. Then shit started to happen...a college buddy moved down here to Miami. The guy barely spit much game, but whenever we would go to bars/clubs hotties would be ALL over him because he's damn good looking and a doctor. I realized I needed to step my game up, started working out, improving my appearance, wardrobe, got a NICE car. Believe me, now life has gotten soooo much easier. Pulling girls has gotten easier and the quality of them has jumped up 2 points on the 10 scale (6/7's up to 8/9's).