^^ That's what I wanted to analyze a little bit more.

I think it's easy to forget that DC was really, really good in 2001-2008 (in other words, prior to 3 years ago). It was so good that eye contact from girls was happening a LOT, in every single club. I know because I lived through that period. But something happened in early 2009 which absolutely destroyed the ratio. It could be DC's resilience during the recession that drew in large amounts of men from out of state, but I'm not sure.

I work in government IT and have two coworkers, one from Texas and the other from LA, who are a case in point. They both arrived in DC for lucrative jobs. The LA guy has already left town, but the Texas guy is still here and companies were fighting to hire him, until he finally settled on a 6-figure salary of his choice. He used to joke that he'd never had it so good.

There was an article recently to the effect that DC was drawing lots of young people due to good (recession-proof) jobs:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/27...35149.html

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According to U.S. Census Bureau figures released Thursday, the Washington metropolitan area gained roughly 7,000 people between the ages of 25 and 34 in the past three years, according to The Washington Post.

The change is due in part to the availability of jobs in a city that has fared better economically than most others in recent years.

But they don't mention the ratios. In the last 3 years that they describe, DC's ratio has become abysmal for men, as some have noticed. It was nothing like what it is now. The article makes it sound like the city is bustling with activity, but obviously the situation on the ground is different. I think the disconnect is in the ratio of the transplants, anyone care to share their thoughts? Also, the 25-34 demographic may have increased, but the under-25 demographic decreased. I think over-25 women, for example, are more likely to not be single.

The government bubble has existed before. In 2004, spending was through the roof, with homeland security and the Iraq war, yet this place was paradise for guys. The difference is that the Texas guy and the LA guy could find jobs in Texas and LA and they didn't have to come here, along with many others. But due to the recession, they ended up here.

In sum, I've been reading all kinds of articles in the press about how DC's becoming younger and trendier, and yet the local males have never struggled more here than in the past 3 years.

However, I wait with interest to see if the government bubble bursts (as mentioned on the previous page). Newt Gingrich predicts that it will in 2012:
http://www.newt.org/news/government-next-bubble-burst

Who knows, maybe the tide will turn soon enough. Also, an improved private economy would return the extra men to wherever they came from.

the govt bubble is going to have to burst, its just math, you cant keep spending more then you make forever. trying to guess the end of a bubble is impossible. whats interesting about the Gingrich article you linked is that he wrote it in 5/10.

DC area as a whole is doing well compared to the rest of the country but if you really break it down the sectors that are doing well are government workers (mostly older, few under 30 or even 35), IT consultants (mostly men), and defense contractors (majority male, lots of former military guys). no one young has any money. alot of 20 somethings are doing shit work living w/their parents. i think you are onto something in that an improvement in the private economy would send a lot of guys home and get more disposable income into the under 27 crowd.

Yeah, I'd hate to move back after kicking it in the sun for almost 6 months, but decent jobs in FL ain't poppin' up fast enough. Funemployed while working the daily Internet hustle and applying to jobs in FL, TX, GA, NY AND DC (the idea of going back to DC makes me nauseous, but there are jobs). Still wearing shorts though in November. Tons of hotties all over, just ain't hitting it hard without a steady job because I know how fast I burn it chasing tail.

I tried Black Jack on Friday...it was pretty bad. Lots of dudes and few targets. Granted it was freezing that night. I gave it about 30 min until I decided to stop by Cafe Saint Ex. Same story.

It's amazing how drastically this city has changed in just a few years.

Gtown? Sucks
South of Dupont? Sucks
K st? Sucks
Chinatown? Sucks
U st? Really Sucks
Adams Morgan? Sucks!

I can't think of any spot that will consistently have girls.

Quote: (11-13-2011 11:55 PM)rakishness Wrote:  

I tried Black Jack on Friday...it was pretty bad. Lots of dudes and few targets. Granted it was freezing that night. I gave it about 30 min until I decided to stop by Cafe Saint Ex. Same story.

It's amazing how drastically this city has changed in just a few years.

Gtown? Sucks
South of Dupont? Sucks
K st? Sucks
Chinatown? Sucks
U st? Really Sucks
Adams Morgan? Sucks!

I can't think of any spot that will consistently have girls.

this is why I tend to hit Arlington more then downtown. bigger venues, younger clientele, more girls per venue, and easier to bounce around and find a decent spot. then you pull with the 'lets head to gtown for a little while since last call is later' if needed

The homeland security spending is not going away as long as the USA has enemies. As morbid as this may sound, a bombing at some USA embassy ends up being some new funded homeland security project for a contractor....with funding allocated for it REGARDLESS of the USA's economy situation.

Rick Perry also wants to kill the DC government bubble.

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/201...government

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The Texas governor, who rode an anti-Washington wave to victory in his 2010 gubernatorial re-election race, noted that the DC metro area has not suffered from the same recession that closed stores on Main Streets all over the country.

"That's because all those lobbyists, that's because all those overpaid czars and bureaucrats haven't suffered one bit while we've been going through one of the worst economies that this country's ever seen," he said.

Do you think the season makes things even worse? Colder outside --> less hot girls come out, they would rather stay home or do dinner parties or whatever.

The season doesn't necessarily make things worse. Christmas/NYE 2005-2006 was wild in DC, off the hook. The clubs were packed with more girls than guys.

Quote: (11-15-2011 12:06 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Do you think the season makes things even worse? Colder outside --> less hot girls come out, they would rather stay home or do dinner parties or whatever.

to some extent. Jan and Feb can be slow when its cold and July/August can be dead w/people on vacations.

Quote: (11-15-2011 12:06 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Do you think the season makes things even worse? Colder outside --> less hot girls come out, they would rather stay home or do dinner parties or whatever.

No. DC sucks year round now.

Ultrabar last night (Fri.): lots of Marines and Navy guys with the buzz cut, I guess the newly expanded military sector in DC is making itself felt.
Josephine last night (Fri.): really bad, 2:1.

Last weekend was my first weekend back in DC in AGES... (Thankfully) Although I do have one bright spot. Here's the breakdown:

Friday night:

Darlington House in Dupont Circle. Off the beaten path choice here, but thought we'd try something new. Surprisingly good ratio for DC. Better than 50/50 actually. But the talent was awful. Only 1-2 girls above a 7 AT MOST. Bounced over to Paolo's in Georgetown and then to Mason Inn. While the Georgetown scene has its fair share of hot white girls compared to most areas of the city, its one main flaw is that nearly all groups are prescripted. Any girl that's an 8 or above is bound to have arrived with a guy and is likely going home with him. Both venues met that description. Don't mistake me - It's worth heading over there and trying, by all means open any sets of hot ladies you'll find in Georgetown because believe me, you'll find some. But most are bound to be prescripted.

Saturday night:

AVisitor you'll be interested here - I hit Josephine's the night after you and it was awful beyond description. Packed with dudes (creepy ones at that). And not a single girl worth opening in the place. We bounced immediately to POV at the W. This place is very hit or miss. The lobby bar can be worth hanging out at now and then if you want to get talking to chicks, as can the Terrace Bar on the roof. I had a solid pickup at the Terrace Bar before, but I wouldn't bother with POV. Way too much decibels to work any game. We made it up to the roof and it was just as awful as Josephine's. Nothing worth opening.

Sunday afternoon/evening:

Bounced over to Spider Kelly's in Clarendon around 6pm and there was barely anyone in there. However, in walks a decent 3 set. My buddy and I ended up making out with the two hottest ones. Mine was a solid 8.

The moral of the story? Our pickup may have been far difficult 24 hours earlier in the exact same venue. Why bother even wasting your time with DC "nightlife," if we can even call it that, when you'll actually see far more hot girls during the days and on random weeknights? If you stick to weekend nights only, most venues will end up looking like that now infamous pic of Fur Nightclub. Ok not that bad but you get my point!

In fact, as some members have suggested, why bother with DC-proper at all? You could just as easily stick to Clarendon, Ballston and Bethesda and probably build a half-decent rotation for yourself. Many other recent threads discussing how the recession has forced hot chicks to the peripheries of major cities are definitely onto something... On the rare weekend I spend here, I'm all for putting that plan into motion.

^^^^

this is really jiving with what i'm seeing. the quality that is here isnt at the bars at 2am. they may be at happy hour, or lunch on the weekends, but they aren't the ones around at last call.

From my cursory glance at the posts in this thread, I don't really see anyone mentioning any good spots in DC. In fact, and this goes for other DC threads, most of the spots referenced are wack and are places where dope chicks never go anyway.

The U St./14th St. corridor is paramount, especially for the twenty-something scene. H St. is generally for the more adventurous, hipster, and and younger crowd. Here are the spots you have to prowl on a regular basis:

U St. Area

1) Lost Society - U St/adjacent to 14th St. Opened this year. I actually ran into Sean Penn there. Multiple levels with a nice outdoor area upstairs. Almost always chicks. This is a primetime spot for the real players out there.

2) Bar Jack (on 14th St near Q St)

3) Policy (14th and T St)

4) Cafe Saint-Ex - Opposite of Policy

5) Marvin's - 14th and U St. Hit or miss, but Monday's are the best nights (fairly consistent).

6) Local 16 - Some decent girls, but it's more of that after-work crowd, slacks and button-ups. Beta males. No competition.

7) Vinoteca - Wine bar on 11th and U St. Backyard terrace goes off sometimes during the warmer months.


Golden Triangle Area

8) 18th St. Lounge - Really the only spot in that area that I can vouch for as the others are truly hit/miss. This is where the band Thievery Corporation formed. Reggae night (Wednesdays) is golden. Usually live music. If the ratio isn't good, there's no need to worry as the males are generally beta and no competition. Sunday nights has the house/electro scene on deck. Pretty common to find some EU chicks then.

Adam's Morgan

9) Jack Rose - Fantastic bar full of beckies. Extensive stock of wines and liquor. Near the bottom of the Hill, where 18th St meets with California St. Usually a short line on some nights, but no cover. A couple of levels. Definitely some talent.

H St

I never spent a whole lot of time in this part of DC but it's coming up and there are definitely chicks there.

10) Rock and Roll Hotel - Probably your best bet in DC if you're going for the ONS.

The rest of H St. is made for barhopping. Some spots probably worth checking out are Little Miss Whiskey's, The Pug, Sticky Rice, Red Palace, Twelve, etc. Definitely dedicate some time to explore this area before throwing in the towel on a night out.

There's also many options for the "urban" clubbing scene. There are promoters and listservs you have to get acquainted with. I know many of these folks, and they aren't to find anyway. Most of them have a Facebook presence so finding those pages will enable you to become privy to the different events they regularly create.

the thing w/DC nightlife is that most of the venues aren't that large so it helps if you are in an area where you can bounce around quickly if one place isnt good

Quote: (12-01-2011 01:44 PM)Brian Wrote:  

the thing w/DC nightlife is that most of the venues aren't that large so it helps if you are in an area where you can bounce around quickly if one place isnt good

That's true, which is why I recommend U St. and H St., since there are a clusterfuck of bars and lounges in those areas. That being said, DC still sucks as being a city for getting laid. It's not just the amount of effort required, but the low quality of fruit for your labor. Nonetheless, your best bet for collecting a decent flag (relatively speaking) are those areas I alluded to.

Hencredible, sounds like you focus more on the Occupy hipster trash set. A lot of guys aren't into that kind of woman. I personally prefer women who take baths, who do not own a pair Chuck Taylor's and do not have any tattoos. Good luck finding a cab anywhere on H Street. That place still has a LOOONG way to go before people outside of your niche consider venturing to that side of the city. Eighteenth Street Lounge can be fun every once in a while, but even then there are too many of those PUA guys who troll that place trying to cockblock to extremes. It's so obvious when they're all wearing boas, capes and goggles.

Quote: (12-01-2011 05:38 PM)dongthrust Wrote:  

Hencredible, sounds like you focus more on the Occupy hipster trash set. A lot of guys aren't into that kind of woman. I personally prefer women who take baths, who do not own a pair Chuck Taylor's and do not have any tattoos. Good luck finding a cab anywhere on H Street. That place still has a LOOONG way to go before people outside of your niche consider venturing to that side of the city. Eighteenth Street Lounge can be fun every once in a while, but even then there are too many of those PUA guys who troll that place trying to cockblock to extremes. It's so obvious when they're all wearing boas, capes and goggles.

Occupy Hipster (?) Not at all, quite the contrary. Your blanket statement is far from true. The last time I was on H St, I went to two venues that would be choice date spots (i.e. Smith Commons). Now look at the website for Smith Commons and tell me that would attract the type of women you speak of: http://www.smithcommonsdc.com/index.html/space. Oak paneling, luxurious furniture, and smooth decor (think Ozzio's but a more diverse crowd and newer amenities). Just a few doors down was H St. Country Club, which, as the name would suggest, attracts an upscale set. H St. has a diverse and burgeoning nightlife scene.

Please refrain from adopting a pugnacious and cantankerous demeanor when posting on this forum. Read the rules if you need help with that.

Heh. Sounds like you just moved to DC. You're trying to hype NE. Sorry, you lose this one. Have fun while you can.

Quote: (12-01-2011 05:38 PM)dongthrust Wrote:  

Hencredible, sounds like you focus more on the Occupy hipster trash set. A lot of guys aren't into that kind of woman. I personally prefer women who take baths, who do not own a pair Chuck Taylor's and do not have any tattoos. Good luck finding a cab anywhere on H Street. That place still has a LOOONG way to go before people outside of your niche consider venturing to that side of the city. Eighteenth Street Lounge can be fun every once in a while, but even then there are too many of those PUA guys who troll that place trying to cockblock to extremes. It's so obvious when they're all wearing boas, capes and goggles.

THAT IS THE FUNNIEST SHIT I HEARD ALL WEEK!!!!

Quote: (12-01-2011 07:37 PM)dongthrust Wrote:  

Heh. Sounds like you just moved to DC. You're trying to hype NE. Sorry, you lose this one. Have fun while you can.

I'm not hyping NE. I'm simply reporting my experience from H St. and recommending that people who may not have been yet to check it out. I also made clear that DC is still what it is regardless. The H St scene, however, is less pretentious, upscale set or not, than the city's more established nightlife options, and some guys on here may find that refreshing. At any rate, those who haven't been can come to their own conclusions after checking it out.

And no, I didn't just move to DC, I'm from there. Considering the absence of a single rating in praise of your participation in this forum, and your trollish antagonizing aura, I don't find your analysis holds much credibility when compared to mine. If I "lost," it's definitely not you who's winning.

Eh, I'm not here to solicit a rating from a random forum poster or to engage in a troll war. I thought I'd add a perspective from a white guy who doesn't frequent the places you enjoy. I should have looked at the pics you've posted to see what perspective you were coming from. Anyways, DC sucks for the chicks I'm looking at. For you, it's a goldmine.

Quote: (12-01-2011 08:01 PM)dongthrust Wrote:  

Eh, I'm not here to solicit a rating from a random forum poster or to engage in a troll war. I thought I'd add a perspective from a white guy who doesn't frequent the places you enjoy. I should have looked at the pics you've posted to see what perspective you were coming from. Anyways, DC sucks for the chicks I'm looking at. For you, it's a goldmine.

You have posted nearly 30 messages now and haven't gained a single rating in praise of your "contributions," yet you still somehow believe that your "perspective" merits value. The pics in my previous posts you alluded to are, in fact, what has helped me earn positive ratings and commendation from other members, not to mention credibility. At this point, you could very well be a pimpled adolescent teenage boy behind a computer screen; and the manner with which you comment, I wouldn't be surprised if that was actually the case.

I think this exchange has reached the apex of its fruitfulness. Please find something better to do and work towards building up the credibility you desperately need.

alright boys, enough bickering...most of NE is in fact a dump, but those spots Hencredible mentioned are good spots, not really the OccupyWhatever crowd