Quote: (11-14-2015 01:56 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Quote: (11-14-2015 12:54 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Islam is not compatible with liberal democracy.

Neither is University-Indoctrinated Socialism (Social Justice, Marxism, Feminism, Identity Politics), and neither is Silicon Valley (Mental Environmentalists, Spys, Censors and Transhumanists).

There's a battle being fought on multiple fronts here, and all groups aim to destroy current Western Civilisation in the righteous cause of remaking it in their glorious image.

The West is at War. Time to wake up and recognize it.

Quote: (11-14-2015 01:54 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

Quote: (11-14-2015 01:50 PM)YossariansRight Wrote:  

Quote: (11-14-2015 01:43 PM)The Wire Wrote:  

I don't see any realistic ways considering the amount of muslims in Europe already. The only thing that might work is for all of the West to get completely out of the middle east and offer an apology then start to clean in-house of refugees and have a strict policy of any immigration. You have to close Europe off.

If the West stays in the middle east then you need to start implementing more radicial measures. Policies like all families of terroists will be arrested and executed. Massive NSA like spying on all communications with any leads allowing them to act without cause. Massive troop invasion by a giant coalition and then we implement a ruthless dictator who is under the West's payroll.

Things can be done to solve it. The question is will there be enough attacks to get it done. If this is the last attack for a year its not enough to disrupt French Life. Pretend for a second within the next 2 months 8 more attacks of this scale hit London, Moscow, NYC, Rome, LA, Paris(again), Berlin, Washington DC. Thats the only time I could see shit get crazy enough where radical actions going down.

They better think before hitting Moscow; that ruler hits back. The rest are ruled by weak, worthless cunts.

That I agree with but didn't they take down a Russian plane with over 200 a couple weeks ago?

Maybe. I put my money on it being another party though.

This is an edited re-post of what I wrote in the Paris thread; was just thinking of starting a thread on the subject matter. Anyhow, my slightly edited re-post:

I was mulling over some ideas about how you combat situations like the one in Paris.

Bombing a random country isn't going to work.

Deporting a bunch of people based on religious affiliation but who might be otherwise 2nd/3rd generation natives isn't going to work.

Both will just create too much blowback and resentment and in effect, create new terrorists.

So what options are left?

I think one that is semi-realistic (although I'm not sure how effective it would be) would be the immediate shut down of all Islamic mosques, religious buildings, or anything that appeases Islamic culture in any shape or form within Western borders until further notice.

One thing that I don't see outside the forum is why aren't so called "moderate" Muslims being held accountable in some way out of all this?

I can't imagine that many of these so called "moderates" aren't aware of a hardcore type among their social circles but don't act on it and report it to authorities for whatever reason. Maybe sympathy. Maybe fear. Maybe laziness. But these people, the so called "good Muslims" who allegedly claim they disapprove of what the extremists do, are essentially on the frontlines of this war. However, they refuse to fight for their respective host nations that have been very gracious to them.

Why is it on the Western world to unfuck the mess within their religion? If they can't organize themselves in a manner that keeps their beyond friendly host nations safe (Europe has been ultra understanding of Muslim bullshit after all), then they forfeit the privilege to practice and engage in whatever non-sense they like. As of today, these moderates who have an inside view of things and are the closest link to extremists or potential extremists, have suffered no real losses from the numerous cold-blooded attacks on various Western societies. It is time for them to get some real skin in the game.

A couple of things could play out:

1. The so called "good Muslims" actually get serious, get organized, revolt against the extremists and flush them out for the authorities to scoop up.

2. The so called "good Muslims" show their true colors, become enraged and start becoming extremists themselves (either covertly or overtly). They have now marked themselves for authorities to scoop up.

The end result is the same. Islam and all its followers, even the moderate ones, MUST be shamed into potential extinction and excommunication from the Western world to reign in their extremists. If the shaming and temporary full stop rejection of their religion (by shutting EVERYTHING Islamic related down) doesn't do it, nothing will. At that point, I think the permanent ban of all Muslim/Islamic establishments and culture must be a serious consideration for the western world to thrive; to the extent that the religion is socially associated in the same context as the Nazis, the KKK, hate groups, African tribal rapist militias, Rosie O'Donnell, and other scums of humanity.

Quote: (11-14-2015 02:17 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

I can't imagine that many of these so called "moderates" aren't aware of a hardcore type among their social circles but don't act on it and report it to authorities for whatever reason. Maybe sympathy, Maybe fear. Maybe laziness. But these people, the so called "good Muslims" who allegedly claim they disapprove of what the extremists do, are essentially on the frontlines of this war. However, they refuse to fight for their respective host nations that have been very gracious to them.

Thats my issue. I'm 100% sure the moderates have the ability to out the extremists. Until that happens they need to be accountable which means anything with Islam in public needs to be abolished.

The end game of this really massive spying by the government for intelligence. Same shit after 9/11. Everything Snowden was against needs to be in place. You can't have your cake and eat it too

Start a media company. Breitbart.com's popularity is soaring right now. One of the few news sites I visit that doesn't have a bunch of limp wristed liberal biased "journalists."

How did they get them out of Spain? That's probably the most effective way.

Of course there aren't any rulers around now that have medieval ruthlessness to them.

Quote: (11-14-2015 01:56 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Quote: (11-14-2015 12:54 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Islam is not compatible with liberal democracy.

Neither is University-Indoctrinated Socialism (Social Justice, Marxism, Feminism, Identity Politics), and neither is Silicon Valley (Mental Environmentalists, Spys, Censors and Transhumanists).

There's a battle being fought on multiple fronts here, and all groups aim to destroy current Western Civilisation in the righteous cause of remaking it in their glorious image.

Yep.

It's ironic because they're all sort of the same.

Feminism, university-indoctrinated socialism, etc. basically functions as a religion to its observers.

Liberal democracy is predicated on rule of reason, not adherence to dogma.

Quote: (11-14-2015 11:15 AM)Tim in real life Wrote:  

7. Stop fucking provoking the locals in the Middle East, to the point the Anglosphere military glory hunters are too giddy to invade the Middle East like it's The Crusades.

So you believe Islamic extremists attack the West because we have "provoked" them, do you?

Nevermind that Islamists have been attacking Americans since before the Declaration of Independence, before we set foot in any of their countries.

The Emperor fiddles whilst Rome burns.

Quote: (11-14-2015 03:10 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Quote: (11-14-2015 01:56 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

Quote: (11-14-2015 12:54 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

Islam is not compatible with liberal democracy.

Neither is University-Indoctrinated Socialism (Social Justice, Marxism, Feminism, Identity Politics), and neither is Silicon Valley (Mental Environmentalists, Spys, Censors and Transhumanists).

There's a battle being fought on multiple fronts here, and all groups aim to destroy current Western Civilisation in the righteous cause of remaking it in their glorious image.

Yep.

It's ironic because they're all sort of the same.

Feminism, university-indoctrinated socialism, etc. basically functions as a religion to its observers.

Liberal democracy is predicated on rule of reason, not adherence to dogma.

I was on jury duty with some of these liberal types recently. Truly terrifying.

1. Find out who all the attackers in Paris were. Use government contacts and their existing espionage networks in the Middle East to find out who all their grandparents were.

2. Destroy the villages, towns and cities (using nuclear weapons if necessary) where those grandparents and any living descendants currently live.

3. Make a public announcement that anyone who makes a terrorist attack against Europeans will not only be killed, but their seed will be wiped from this earth using the same strategy as the Paris terrorists i.e. kill grandparents and all living descendants of those grandparents using methods that cause massive collateral damage.

4. Tell moderate Muslims that they would be better off executing the radicals themselves. We all know that many moderate Muslims can easily identify who the radicals are in their neighborhoods.

Why bother.... let it rot.....

This forum is great but treads like this are just filled with garbage to be honest. Ethnic cleansing, executing all refugees, using nuclear weapons on villages, deport all muslims (where would you deport them to, most are born in Europe, many have no other nationalities,...).

I can appreciate a harder stance on difficult subjects and respect varying opinions, but retarded stuff like this does not belong here in my opinion. This is what I expect to see on a neonazi forum, not on RooshV.

We can debate about closing borders, about the nature of islam, about anti terror measurements, but in a rational intelligent way preferably.

Quote: (11-14-2015 04:55 PM)rottenapple Wrote:  

This forum is great but treads like this are just filled with garbage to be honest. Ethnic cleansing, executing all refugees, using nuclear weapons on villages, deport all muslims (where would you deport them to, most are born in Europe, many have no other nationalities,...).

I can appreciate a harder stance on difficult subjects and respect varying opinions, but retarded stuff like this does not belong here in my opinion. This is what I expect to see on a neonazi forum, not on RooshV.

We can debate about closing borders, about the nature of islam, about anti terror measurements, but in a rational intelligent way preferably.

The Islamists love reasonable white Westerners. In fact, they depend on that in order to continue these atrocities.

While I don't disagree with you, I'll say this:

No one on their side right now is saying "Guys, lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater, they're not all bad".

Treat Wahabbists as they currently treat Nazis.

Confiscate the Swiss bank accounts of Saudi and Qatari oil barons until they take care of their extremist problem.

Quote: (11-14-2015 05:04 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

Quote: (11-14-2015 04:55 PM)rottenapple Wrote:  

This forum is great but treads like this are just filled with garbage to be honest. Ethnic cleansing, executing all refugees, using nuclear weapons on villages, deport all muslims (where would you deport them to, most are born in Europe, many have no other nationalities,...).

I can appreciate a harder stance on difficult subjects and respect varying opinions, but retarded stuff like this does not belong here in my opinion. This is what I expect to see on a neonazi forum, not on RooshV.

We can debate about closing borders, about the nature of islam, about anti terror measurements, but in a rational intelligent way preferably.

The Islamists love reasonable white Westerners. In fact, they depend on that in order to continue these atrocities.

While I don't disagree with you, I'll say this:

No one on their side right now is saying "Guys, lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater, they're not all bad".

I don't care how savage and unreasonable they are. They are our enemy because the way they are different. Acting the same as them does not make any sense. The west is the civilized side in this and that is a good thing.

Delete

Funny how I was studying Islam during the summer and thought that it was too radical. Again, I don't believe in multiculturalism but a unfitted earth with Western values, especially liberal democracy. Only then can most people be integrated into civilization.

"The west is the civilized side in this and that is a good thing."

No. It isn't. There are times when it is necessary to get ugly and get dirty in order to effectively respond to the ugly and dirty behaviors of others. Maintaining civilization requires the explicit willingness at all times to get ugly and dirty when necessary to protect it from those behaviors.

Saying "we are civilized and will treat you accordingly if you do likewise towards us" [esp. with the unstated implication of "...and God help you if you don't", a la MAD] is one thing. Saying "we are civilized, and so we will never ever do uncivilized things like x, y, z" is a declaration of unilateral disarmament that tells your enemy that he is free to do x, y, and z and probably u, v, w and every other lesser letter of the alphabet without retaliation in similar or worse scale/form.

I don't know if it's kosher to post links to Vox Day (I vaguely remember something about it not being so), but he's talked about this very matter a number of times recently.

Rotten apple - I hear what you're saying about some of the more extreme measures being suggested here.
Unfortunately the time will come when this is indeed the answer. Our liberal democratic societies are finished. Look around the Everything Else forum, the clear signs of terminal decline are everywhere. The Leftists have won the Cold War.
As the temperature rises with more terrorism, more no-go zones,more militant stances&actions taken by Muslims in our societies the general population will slowly start to see the danger that many of us here can already.
Liberal values will be set aside to defeat the enemy out of necessity. And extreme measures will be welcomed by the majority.
It is either this or eventual submission to Islam. There is no middle ground.
The Nazis had men agitating within for peace. Islam does not.
Hard men will have to do despicable things to protect our civilization.
C'est la vie.

Maybe each country could mandate their unemployed "muslim" men serve in the military. If they won't or they don't work out then deport them.

1. No more immigration from Muslim countries

2. Deport everyone from Muslim countries who isn't a citizen

3. Regular home raids of anyone on your watch lists

I hear on TV that the French need 25 people per suspected terrorist to follow them 24/7. Rather than try to follow them around and record them everywhere which requires 25 people, just storm their fucking home on a regular basis.