^ Yes indeed, thanks for that advice it worked well!

This experience has made me remember text and more importantly phone game.

This also marks my now growing track record of success with girls both Chinese and American Chinese. As said before I think there is a genetic thing between Asian women and White men.

These girls once they like they you, which seems to happen extremely fast to me they are just down. They want it bad. Black chicks have been like this with me too, in fact the last chick I banged was a Jamaican born chick. She was all up in my personal space in the first 5 minutes (I noticed Black chicks have a penchant for breaking personal space when they flirt much more than other chicks).

As always, tanned white chicks, Persians, and Latinas still think I'm lame.

fuck yes trav ! I'm stoked for you !

Paging Tuth to retitle this thread !

Quote: (08-10-2015 02:19 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

Paging Tuth to retitle this thread !

My titles are usually dry and logical, I liked this thread title.

Tuth could come up with a good re-name no doubt.

Sidenote:

I am still shocked at how many girls are down for taking it in the ass or getting cum on their face on the first bang. These young chicks... it's just no rules. It is awesome on one hand, kinda scary on the other.

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:51 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

So I make an effort to really get personal. I sit down with her chat about our weekends. I try not focus on just running Game. I focus on having a bubble with her. Unlike last date I am finally matching her energy. She accepts a drink offer... whiskey...

I like that approach.

Good vibes goes a long way towards reassuring her that's she's going to have a good experience.

Sometimes guys post in the game forum. And from the way they tell it, I imagine their vibe like this (from 1:07)






Gratifying to hear that you got the W by enjoying the experience and having fun with it.

^ I have been called out once in awhile saying when I type out game it sounds mechanical like I am doing an oil change. I think it's hard to type out vibe. Guys try to type the bullet points and have faith everyone will trust them when they say the vibe was good because spelling that out for every occasion gets tiresome.

The only ones I get concerned about are newbies that say X has happened 4 dates in a row. Or the newbie never can get a date after a number.

What's awesome is that you recovered and succeeded in one hell of a great way. Well done Trav. I think sometimes only texting for logistical reasons can hold us back at times. Girls want to be excited to meet up. Going to work on this with some girls in the coming week.

To be honest, you read way too much into this just because she suddenly left.

Some girls just don't fuck first dates. She probably new she was about to get fucked hardc0re in your bed if she went to your place. Or she simply had to meet her friend. It doesn't matter.

You've gotta see the bigger picture, clearly she likes you to go on a date from meeting you on the street.

The only way to know if she wants to fuck you is if she replies to your texts again and you get another meet with her.


Anyway that's just my opinion from my experience. After many years in the game I've come to realise you can't fuck every girl on the first date, no matter how good you are.


Nice lay.

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:51 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

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Thank you everyone for your time and consideration.

I carry you all with me in spirit when I Game.

Oh yeah, top that motherfuckers....

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Damn son, I just lost the farm. Props for closing that lead, nice work.

Quote: (08-10-2015 05:25 AM)Kimochi Wrote:  

To be honest, you read way too much into this just because she suddenly left.

Some girls just don't fuck first dates. She probably new she was about to get fucked hardc0re in your bed if she went to your place. Or she simply had to meet her friend. It doesn't matter.

When you feel like you miss up a lay up on a good lead you want to look into it.

I had a girl I day gamed on a campus over a year back... everything seemed well our first date was pretty short we texted backed and forth after. Second date she agrees to go surfing, I drive us down to surf. I thought it was a lay up. Her energy changed once we were in the water for a bit. Also a foreign chick, but moved here when she was 16. She asked to go for a walk on the beach after surfing, I went for the make out when we were alone. She hard rejected me with a back turn and her arms out when I went for it. Awkward ride home. It was awhile back but it "muh triggers".

More rides on this sort of game for me, on a hot young college girl you pick up by direct day game on a campus. To me it is one of the best feelings of a close, as Krauser said like a super power - you just pick what you want.

See a hot girl walking by that is much younger, simply tell her what's up and you're banging her brains out days later. It holds more weight than other lays for me and stings much more when it gets blocked at the goal line.

If this was some 27 year old 6.5 with some flab I met at a bar, or some bitchy girl I met off Tinder, this never would have been posted.

Not gonna lie, I got a little misty eyed reading your story of sweet redemption

Well done Travesty!

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:51 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

I put some pressure on my self after taking what I consider an L on Date 1. This was such a cherry situation. Now that I know she is down with the sexual nature I run to my room and pop a LINUX prescribed Indian Basement Lab Knock Off Cialis. With some "pressure" chicks where I put pressure on myself for victory I pop one of these and smoke a little weed which turns my anxiety into sexual aggression.

Remind myself I already popped ZMA earlier that day.

Dude, well done on the bang, but I’m not sure why you’re popping pills to get a boner – you’re around 29 or 30, right? You should be good to go as is.

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:51 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

So the question is why did she bolt at end of Date 1? I didn't ask I want to keep this chick smooth with me definite repeat material.

It’s hamstering – as Kimochi said some women just don’t bang on the first meet. They don’t want to be a “slut”.

I’ve even had women say to me when I’m making out with them on the first date, “I want to come to your place but I shouldn’t..”. I just say something like, “that’s fine…you can come over next time we meet. We don’t have to do anything, we’ll just hang out.”

Quote: (08-10-2015 02:03 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

This also marks my now growing track record of success with girls both Chinese and American Chinese. As said before I think there is a genetic thing between Asian women and White men.

I don’t think it’s a white/Chinese thing – it’s a non-Chinese/Chinese thing. There’s plenty of guys on RVF alone who are not white who do well with Chinese women. A large number of Chinese women are open to non-Chinese men. In western countries they tend to go for white/Hispanic/Middle Eastern guys but and in places like Singapore and Malaysia a lot of them marrying Indian/European and some Malay men.

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:16 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I’ve even had women say to me when I’m making out with them on the first date, “I want to come to your place but I shouldn’t..”. I just say something like, “that’s fine…you can come over next time we meet. We don’t have to do anything, we’ll just hang out.”

I was just thinking about this and was about to post something similar and then saw the above quote. Looking back Travesty I think it was the fact that you had a friendly, rather short first date with almost no escalation that allowed you to get the second date bang so easily. There's guys online who blog and preach a strict two date model where the first date is short, friendly with light touching but no kissing or escalation. Then they invite the girl over to their place for the second date. It circumvents any of their first date ASD baggage.

You may be onto a new way of approaching your future first dates

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:16 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

Dude, well done on the bang, but I’m not sure why you’re popping pills to get a boner – you’re around 29 or 30, right? You should be good to go as is.

Haha I have probably done it 10 times in my life. I only use it when I have a chance of whiskey dick or anxiety for whatever reason on a first bang. Plus you fuck like a complete champ on that first bang to really leave an impression. I usually cut the pill in half for a smaller dose and never have used one past first bangs.

I've gotten burned really bad by getting whiskey dick with 2 different dynamite chicks in the past. Those kinda L's really haunt you. Shit's like PTSD to have a ready and willing hot chick naked in your bed trying to please you and it's just game over.

It's been worth it to me in spades. I would have been in your camp before, but for guys with issues like mine I'd recommend it for first bangs where I think I need the boost, it gives me a lot of confidence.

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:35 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:16 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I’ve even had women say to me when I’m making out with them on the first date, “I want to come to your place but I shouldn’t..”. I just say something like, “that’s fine…you can come over next time we meet. We don’t have to do anything, we’ll just hang out.”

I was just thinking about this and was about to post something similar and then saw the above quote. Looking back Travesty I think it was the fact that you had a friendly, rather short first date with almost no escalation that allowed you to get the second date bang so easily. There's guys online who blog and preach a strict two date model where the first date is short, friendly with light touching but no kissing or escalation. Then they invite the girl over to their place for the second date. It circumvents any of their first date ASD baggage.

You may be onto a new way of approaching your future first dates

I don’t always go for the makeout first date, sometimes I feel that she’s a bit too coy and leave it to second dates.

With one American born Chinese woman, first date ended with a hug, no makeout.

Second date we went for a pizza at a place walking distance from my apartment...no touching, no anything. She then said that she’ll drive me to place, and she pulled in front of my place with her engine running:

Her: “Thanks, I had a nice evening”
Me: “Why don’t you come inside for a few minutes, just to hang out. I’ve also got some British snacks you can try”
Her: “OK”

She parks her car and comes inside. I give her some chocolate then after she’s eaten I go caveman and get the bang. She sucked dick like a pornstar and she was my regular for nearly a year after that.

I later asked her afterwards when she first wanted me to bone her. She said second date, because she felt comfortable then and there was something about me which turned her on. I then asked her why she didn’t try anything herself to sexualize the situation. Her response – “Why should I? You’re the man. If I had to make the move I would have got turned off!”

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:35 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:16 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I’ve even had women say to me when I’m making out with them on the first date, “I want to come to your place but I shouldn’t..”. I just say something like, “that’s fine…you can come over next time we meet. We don’t have to do anything, we’ll just hang out.”

There's guys online who blog and preach a strict two date model where the first date is short, friendly with light touching but no kissing or escalation.

You may be onto a new way of approaching your future first dates

This model works way better for me. I've said it before but I stink at first date bangs unless there's alcohol or weed in the mix. But second date conversion rate is way higher. The time between 1st and 2nd dates is like a "cushion" or passive comfort building period. I had a feeling that's what Travesty was encountering. The 20 yo is just not slutty enough to throw down on a first date...insufficient comfort. I also had a feeling he'd close her if he got her back...and he did

Quote: (08-10-2015 02:24 AM)Travesty Wrote:  

Sidenote:

I am still shocked at how many girls are down for taking it in the ass or getting cum on their face on the first bang. These young chicks... it's just no rules. It is awesome on one hand, kinda scary on the other.

Double edged sword my friend, great for banging sluts, horrible for LTR's, wiving up, and dating scene in general.

I can't tell you how many girls I've throat fucked, cummed on their face, the whole anal thing, I've gotten only lucky a few times doing that first date.

It's definitely awesome yet scary what women are capable of letting happen.

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:48 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

Haha I have probably done it 10 times in my life. I only use it when I have a chance of whiskey dick or anxiety for whatever reason on a first bang. Plus you fuck like a complete champ on that first bang to really leave an impression. I usually cut the pill in half for a smaller dose and never have used one past first bangs.

I've gotten burned really bad by getting whiskey dick with 2 different dynamite chicks in the past. Those kinda of L's really haunt you. Shit's like PTSD.

It's been worth it to me in spades. I would have been in your camp before, but for guys with issues like mine I'd recommend it for first bangs it gives me a lot of confidence.

I can’t say I’ve ever got whiskey dick but I remember one time years ago I couldn’t get it up because I had been jerking off too much for a couple of days beforehand. I rarely watch porn nowadays. I just brush it off as normal, nothing to get stressed about. Sometimes women stay dry no matter what you do.

My preparation is about an hour before the meet I watch some porn for about 10 minutes featuring the ethnicty of the woman I’m meeting. This will get me horny and it will also desensitise me slightly so I won’t shoot my load too fast.

I also pace my banging by using my clock as a guide. Most women will cum before 10 minutes but if you can go for 20 or even 30 minutes non stop (which is doable if you’re in shape and doing doggy) you will blow her mind.

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:55 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:35 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:16 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

I’ve even had women say to me when I’m making out with them on the first date, “I want to come to your place but I shouldn’t..”. I just say something like, “that’s fine…you can come over next time we meet. We don’t have to do anything, we’ll just hang out.”

There's guys online who blog and preach a strict two date model where the first date is short, friendly with light touching but no kissing or escalation.

You may be onto a new way of approaching your future first dates

This model works way better for me. I've said it before but I stink at first date bangs unless there's alcohol or weed in the mix. But second date conversion rate is way higher. The time between 1st and 2nd dates is like a "cushion" or passive comfort building period. I had a feeling that's what Travesty was encountering. The 20 yo is just not slutty enough to throw down on a first date...insufficient comfort. I also had a feeling he'd close her if he got her back...and he did

Papaya can you give a brief breakdown of how you end the first date and set up the second? How soon do you text after the first and when do you pitch the second date? I really want to experiment with this style but I always end up going for the first date bang and of course the results are mixed...

Quote: (08-10-2015 12:55 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

This model works way better for me. I've said it before but I stink at first date bangs unless there's alcohol or weed in the mix. But second date conversion rate is way higher. The time between 1st and 2nd dates is like a "cushion" or passive comfort building period. I had a feeling that's what Travesty was encountering. The 20 yo is just not slutty enough to throw down on a first date...insufficient comfort. I also had a feeling he'd close her if he got her back...and he did

I don’t do any type of drug and I’m a bit of a cheap bastard! I’ve got pretty good at getting bangs with no alcohol, sometimes on coffee dates.

I automatically assume that a 2nd date bang is on if she agrees to meet at my place. Why else would she be there? She wants privacy and we all know what men and women do in a private location. If she wanted to hang out just to hang out she would have wanted to go for dinner or to the park or beach.

I think drinking alcohol could be a bit of a slut tell for FOB Chinese women. The vast majority of them don’t touch alcohol at all.

Quote: (08-10-2015 01:07 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

Papaya can you give a brief breakdown of how you end the first date and set up the second? How soon do you text after the first and when do you pitch the second date? I really want to experiment with this style but I always end up going for the first date bang and of course the results are mixed...

Well my game is pretty "niche" for lack of a better word...so I'm not sure how much of this will be helpful to you. I'm 44 so I've been "gaming" chicks since long before I even knew that I was gaming (or it was called that) . I'm only into younger women but I'm 6ft 3 keep in shape and look younger but my logistics are by far my best asset. I live in beach community is SoCal /OC (one that forum member G Manifesto is very familiar with) and my house is literally within 2 blocks of 11 different bars, restaurants, cafe, etc... My front patio faces a street where people often park when going to those venues. (I often sit outside and work on my laptop. I have one buddy that refers to my patio as "spider game" with me just waiting for "victims" to walk by. Patio/spider game is a whole other post)

Long story short on first dates I usually try to hit two or three of those venues (where bartenders and staff know me...big plus) then bounce to my house. If we're drinking and I can get them to my house it's usually a done deal. Once they are there I have tons of DHV material: pics of where I've traveled, with other hot chicks, I keep a surfboard and snowboard in the corner of my home office that's plainly visible when I give "the tour". There's even a pic of me with a well known celebrity (another story) clearly visible when someone comes out of the bathroom. You might say I'm playing "Most Interesting Man In The World Game" at my house. Girls eat that shit up.

But if I get them home and make a move but see I'm not going to close I usually wrap it up quickly with something along the lines "Hey, I've had a great time but I've got an early day tomorrow. We should hang out again...buh bye". I won't let it linger and let it get awkward. The trick is to make them know they fucked it up...even if they dont know how exactly

I'll then open it back for a 2nd date a couple days later with a text something along the lines of the "I had a dream about you" I suggested above or "You still want to learn to surf?" ...calibrated to the girl and whatever is 1st date specific. IE tailored to whatever happened (kiss, petting, finger bang) etc. Second date is just a funnel for getting her back to my house. I've gone as far as 4 dates to close but those have been rare and actually been a long time.

Like I said it's pretty niche to me but I hope some of that helps. I guess the short answer to getting 2nd date is to remain enough of an interesting mystery that the hamster wants more

^ Lol are you a Landmark Bar (just looked it up shut down now!) young pussy monger in CDM? I used to hit that area back in late 2000s. Laguna Beach is the obvious bet, oh the Sand Piper.

Quote: (08-10-2015 02:44 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

^ Lol are you a Landmark Bar young pussy monger in CDM? I used to hit that area back in late 2000s. Laguna Beach is the obvious bet, oh the Sand Piper.

Landmark is closed now

Quote: (08-10-2015 02:44 PM)Travesty Wrote:  

^ Lol are you a Landmark Bar (just looked it up shut down now!) young pussy monger in CDM? I used to hit that area back in late 2000s. Laguna Beach is the obvious bet, oh the Sand Piper.

Haven't been to Sand Piper in years. I think its still there but I rarely get to Laguna Beach unless Im entertaining out of town guests.

Quote: (08-10-2015 02:32 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Well my game is pretty "niche" for lack of a better word...so I'm not sure how much of this will be helpful to you. I'm 44 so I've been "gaming" chicks since long before I even knew that I was gaming (or it was called that) . I'm only into younger women but I'm 6ft 3 keep in shape and look younger but my logistics are by far my best asset. I live in beach community is SoCal /OC

Good stuff Papaya. I'm 43 and live a little bit more inland from you in OC, in between the two major freeways. Your game is a lot more applicable to me than you know though I live in a small apartment so I can't take advantage of patio spider game.

I like your idea of calling it an early night if you get a vibe that it's not on that particular date. I've also noticed a pretty strong correlation between older women (late 30's and up) not giving it up on the first date. Just an example, I had a first date with a 39yo originally from China and recently divorced. She didn't drink so we met for pizza and then venue changed to coffee. She eagerly came back to my place and damn near took my face off when we started making out. I got her to my bed, stripped naked but she adamantly refused to have sex since it was only the first date. She ended up giving me a really good blow job and then grinding her pussy on my cock raw. She was so turned on I could hear the sloshing sounds from her pussy but any time I even moved as if I was going to put it in she completely "came to" and physically stopped me. In her hamster mind we didn't actually "have sex"

Quote: (08-10-2015 03:14 PM)OregonToSoCal Wrote:  

I like your idea of calling it an early night if you get a vibe that it's not on that particular date. I've also noticed a pretty strong correlation between older women (late 30's and up) not giving it up on the first date. Just an example, I had a first date with a 39yo originally from China and recently divorced. She didn't drink so we met for pizza and then venue changed to coffee. She eagerly came back to my place and damn near took my face off when we started making out. I got her to my bed, stripped naked but she adamantly refused to have sex since it was only the first date. She ended up giving me a really good blow job and then grinding her pussy on my cock raw. She was so turned on I could hear the sloshing sounds from her pussy but any time I even moved as if I was going to put it in she completely "came to" and physically stopped me. In her hamster mind we didn't actually "have sex"

"Didn't actually have sex"...priceless. Even older checks use this self delusion? Hilarious. Hey I'll take a good smokey and call it a day anytime. Shit..firing a load down a chicks throat without even having to break a sweat is a WIN in my book. Only getting her to make me a sandwich and cleanup before she leaves could be better than that