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Gangs and Criminal Thinking
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Gangs and Criminal Thinking

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---I don't commit crimes. So I don't live in fear.

You never commit crimes?

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Let me preface my rant by saying I hated the social culture of California, people are shallow, greedy, nervous, and they don't return calls. The chicks are inflated beyond belief.

I am also pro-legalization, if for nothing else what it's doing to Mexico, changing into a failed state with narco traffickers killing everyone in sight to get more money.

But I also lived in a major city where you could walk in the parks at night because habitual bullies and criminals-- assholes, in police parlance-- were in jail where they fucking belonged.

It costs a TON of money, but there is a big benefit to having stupid, violent people locked up.

---------You never commit crimes?
-- Yes, you're right technically, I do-- but not the kind that gets me
arrested.

I used to work in the criminal justice system, not a cop, as a health care worker and there were a lot of crooks that had this "shit happens" attitude toward their [seemingly endless] crimes and getting arrested.

Euphemisms like "catching a charge" mean "getting caught doing a serious felony."

Serious felonies are typically acts that don't happen by oversight-- forcible rape with a chick's face smashed in, or having a dead prostitute in the trunk of her own car you're now driving around after murdering her (I met that asshole), or a kilo of coke in your trunk, ( maybe it SHOULD be legal but it isn't and you knew that--) or, you on parole later after one of the above cruising with a known felon who has a "gat" on him.

All shit people KNOW they're NOT SUPPOSED TO DO.

However, the habitual criminal reframes all this as something that "just happens." He had only minimal responsibility, and his problems are a result of a "police state"

I've personally SEEN and STUDIED dozens of rap sheets of people in maximum security prisons, and the idea that they are victims of a police state is 99.9% or more total horseshit.

The real victim of a police state is a guy with almost no record who gets misidentified in a robbery ( see the innocence project) and this DOES happen, but most of the guys who were complaining about their charges had SUCH A LONG CRIMINAL HISTORY THEY DESERVED TO BE IN FOR LIFE ANYWAY, EVEN IF THEY WERE INNOCENT OF THE CURRENT CRIME FOR WHICH THEY WERE IN.

The common complaint of almost every habitual criminal I met was that they didn't deserve the punishment they got, that it was just circumstances. Then I looked at their rap sheets. Holy shit.

The length started at about 6-7 pages. This is when they were 17 years old. 20-25 arrests-- and NOT victimless drug crimes--assaults, robberies, escape ( a big sign of someone headed for lifetime criminality) .

I was particularly interested in murderers-- what warning signs were there that this sucker could have been locked up before he really wreaked havoc and killed completely innocent bystanders in a convenience store?

Criminology is too complex to go into here, but a 17 year old who does an assault, then carries a gun while on probation from the assault, then committing a robbery while on probation after the 9 months he did for the gun....
then an assault while out on bail awaiting trial for THAT robbery.

HE NEEDS TO BE LOCKED UP FOR EVERYONE'S SAFETY. FOR A LONG TIME.

It's too late for this guy, at 21. He's been bullying others since he was 5 or 6. Everything is someone else's fault.

It took me a long, long time to realize, in his mind, he really is the victim. This is the bizarre aspect of anti-social personality.

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You don't speed?

--- Not over 90, which is the speed that gets you arrested rather than ticketed.

Jaywalk?
-- not an arrest crime as long as you don't smart mouth the cop.

Always wear your seatbelt?
-- not an arrest crime as long as you don't smart mouth the cop.

Never talk on the phone while driving?
-- not an arrest crime as long as you don't smart mouth the cop.

Never ever take a piss in public?
-- Hardly ever, would apologize profusely if caught, would not also be publicly drunk, when he ran me he'd find no record, thus PROB not an arrest crime as long as you don't smart mouth the cop.

Never ever in a car with someone with a gun? Drugs? Open container?
--- Fuck no, I'm a licensed health care professional. I don't hang out with fools. I assume you mean illegal gun. Wow, an authentic "gangster" lifestyle. How exciting!!
But doesn't that mean you're ASKING to be ARRESTED? And that you shouldn't complain if you are?

Never hang out with someone smoking a joint?
-- not an arrest crime as long as you don't smart mouth the cop. For all practical purposes totally legal if in a private home without sought-after felons around.

Never in a house with drug paraphernalia?
-- Not that I know of. I don't hang with people who do hard drugs knowingly.

Never drink a beer on the street?
---Not in a place where cops were. In a rural area, where the cops don't care.

On the beach?
---Not in a place where cops were. In a rural area, where the cops don't care.

Glass container on the boardwalk?
---I hate LA.

Take a drag of a cigarette within 15 feet of a building?
--- Christ quit smoking, it's the worst thing for you. A cool "G" isn't too cool dragging one leg around after a stroke.

Clean after your dog every single time?
--- No dog, but if I did I wouldn't expect everyone else to tiptoe around his shit because I'm special.

Drop a piece of paper on the ground?
--- I almost never litter. You're reaching for straws here. If you litter two times in ten years, you're more likely to be hit by lightning than by arrest.


------If so, your good.

I am, because I don't do crazy, aggressively criminal stuff that attracts attention with guns and conspicuous driving. And then complain about the time and expense because "it's a police state. "


---If not, don't come to the California Police State.

I was already there for decades and have intimate knowledge of the criminal justice system, not as a habitual criminal or cop but as a licensed health professional who actually took care of criminals. I helped more freaking criminals than just about any criminal did.

-----We are all criminals here.

Theoretically, yes, but well over 90 percent of the general population go DECADES without getting arrested.

If you want to be a "bad" "G"; WTF do you expect to happen to you?

Do you think the general public wants guns, crack, and violence around them?
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"Do you think the general public wants guns, crack, and violence around them?"

It's part of our culture now. Just thing how boring this place would be without crack and guns.

Most of what you mentioned there wouldn't even raise an eyebrow in Tampa. Fuck California! That's why I don't live there. I was getting arrested every month for shit that I had no idea I could be busted for.
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I really enjoyed your post. It sounds like you have been around these guys for too long. There mentality is starting to annoy on you. Complaining, blaming others, not having self disipline, trying to mainipulate eveyone, etc,

It does get old quick.

Many of these guys never had a chance. They were born into circumstances that made it very likely that they would become criminals. Many have parents and close family who are criminals. Some are just born and raised in that world. It becomes their way of life.

Some are just stupid.

Others, fell in love with the lifestyle, only to learn that it wasn't as glamourous as they originally thought.

You are describing guys who are stuck in that mentality. If they've been thinking that way since they were kids, then their brain gets wired up that way and hence, the are "stuck" in that criminal way of thinking.



Quote: (01-26-2012 04:10 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Criminology is too complex to go into here,


Usually, the roots are in childhood.

Most violent offenders were abused/neglected as kids right?

If they had 2 good parents who raised them right, they probably would not have choosen a life of crime.

Quote: (01-26-2012 04:10 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

It took me a long, long time to realize, in his mind, he really is the victim. This is the bizarre aspect of anti-social personality.

If he was physically/sexually abused as a kid then he is a victim and didn't much of a chance. These are the sad cases.

The ones who choose the lifestyle are different. I don't feel sorry for them.
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What's your point? What are you trying to say here?

Sure, if you're caught doing hard crime (armed robbery, etc.) you knew what you were doing so don't blame anyone else when you get caught. Be a man and take the time you're given. I can see why people refusing to take responsibility for their actions would piss you off.

But laws in California (and much of the US) are ridiculously strict and many more innocent or 'semi-innocent' people get caught up in the system over there than you acknowledge. The people you worked with look like a self-selecting group of habitual criminals. Did you ever spend much time with people who were proven innocent or who didn't have 7 page rap sheets?

Drug paraphernalia being illegal? Ridiculous. You can be arrested for owning a bong now? Draconian anti-smoking laws? Come on. I might understand them if the state paid all healthcare costs (after all in Europe it's the state that ends up footing the healthcare bill) - but in a place where people pay for their own healthcare?

Laws against drinking in public? What the fuck? And don't even get me started on jaywalking.

Laws that criminalise 90%+ of the population are bad laws.

"A flower can not remain in bloom for years, but a garden can be cultivated to bloom throughout seasons and years." - xsplat
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Iknowexactly is just letting off some steam. I'd be pissed off too if I worked around criminals every day, even as a healthcare professional.

Inowexactly, you know who should be behind bars you did not talk about?......COCK-BLOCKERS!! They should have their testicles (or tits if female) placed in clamps while 5,000 volts of electricity go up their nuts for cock-blocking!!! This should be up there with felony murder!!!

Mixx
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Iknowexactly, you should check out the work of Theodore Dalrymple. You'll enjoy his books. He's a prison psychiatrist who worked with violent offenders in the UK for decades. He writes in-depth about the phenomenon of not taking responsibility and how 'it just happened', linking it to wider cultural trends. He's very well read and his writing is lucid.

Here's a blog dedicated to him: http://blog.skepticaldoctor.com/

A good book to get into his work is Life at the Bottom.

"A flower can not remain in bloom for years, but a garden can be cultivated to bloom throughout seasons and years." - xsplat
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I understand the disgust with the anti-social personality that sees no fault in what they do, and they keep doing hard crimes. That sucks. I live in an area, however, with very little crime and a ton of police trying to stay busy. They no longer see themselves as peace officers, but law enforcement officers, out there to screw with you for any infraction.

Right now, I have been arrested three times. All for bullshit. Age 21, waiting outside a bar (with no fights) and my friends are inside. I was drunk, small town, and five cop cars with nothing to do decided to get rid of the crowd. I told them that I am waiting for my friends inside, and that I had a right to be outside - "disperse" - I didn't move. Arrested for failure to disperse and given resisting arrest charges for not dropping my arm quickly enough. Resisting arrest dropped, but failure to disperse charge upheld because in the judges words "there had been a lot of fights downtown lately."

Age 27, arrested for failing to appear in court (bench warrant out for my arrest). I thought I paid a traffic ticket where I allegedly didn't fully come to a stop at a stop sign. I was the only car on the road at the time, and the traffic cop was two blocks behind me. Quotas. Anyway, I had moved and changed my job and thought I paid the fine. I didn't and didn't appear in court. Since it is a small town, and the police have nothing to do, they were driving around the public parking lot in town and running license plates. They found out where I parked everyday and decided to have a stake out. I went to work one day at 9:00 AM and two police cars were on either side of my usual parking place. Back to jail.

Age 30, police were called to my house for alleged noise disturbance. I had 3 people on a back patio with no music. One person had gone to sleep. I had a few drinks, and was heading to sleep myself. Walking through the house I see 3 officers shinning flashlights in the house. There were two cop cars outside. I open the door and ask what the problem was. I was told there was a noise complaint and to keep it down. I raised my hands to my ears and asked "what noise?" Don't interrupt me! After some talking back, I was tackled on my front porch by two officers and taken to jail again. Charges: obstruction of justice and disturbing the peace. Totally falsified police reports, including simultaneous camera hard drive failures in both police cars. I have a lawyer this time around... city refuses to drop the disturbing the peace charge so I am going to trial for a non-misdemanor fine (a waste of my money) but it's about the principle.

Anyway, everything changed when police ceased to be peace officers and became (grit your teeth when you say it) law enforcement officers. You can't even get drunk and piss in an alleyway now without being a sex criminal. I don't drink that much, I keep my nose down, and I don't even pirate music or software - crazy I know. And I have been arrested three times with a rap sheet.

We live in a police state. Maybe it's necessary in Los Angeles to one degree or another, but the federalization of police and the altered training has gone nationwide. My hometown has less than 20,000 people, and a SWAT team. They give out over 2,000 DUI's per year for a town with a population of 20,000. I am not kidding. Over new years there were full camouflage police (or national guard) on the streets with a german shepherd attack dog. It is out of control and getting worse in the U.S. Soon it will be illegal to fart.
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hey Durango - that second passport to Dominica (or another country) is starting to sound more attractive to me now based on your police experiences. What bullshit!

Whenever a cop approaches me, I just say the bare minimum, stick to yes/no answers, and comply with what he fucking wants, even if it means leave a bar because I am standing outside - I'll leave, and come back 30 minutes later. You lose more dealing with with these gangsters with badges than speaking up for yourself.

Mixx
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Quote: (01-26-2012 03:02 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

I understand the disgust with the anti-social personality that sees no fault in what they do, and they keep doing hard crimes. That sucks. I live in an area, however, with very little crime and a ton of police trying to stay busy. They no longer see themselves as peace officers, but law enforcement officers, out there to screw with you for any infraction.

Right now, I have been arrested three times. All for bullshit. Age 21, waiting outside a bar (with no fights) and my friends are inside. I was drunk, small town, and five cop cars with nothing to do decided to get rid of the crowd. I told them that I am waiting for my friends inside, and that I had a right to be outside - "disperse" - I didn't move. Arrested for failure to disperse and given resisting arrest charges for not dropping my arm quickly enough. Resisting arrest dropped, but failure to disperse charge upheld because in the judges words "there had been a lot of fights downtown lately."

Age 27, arrested for failing to appear in court (bench warrant out for my arrest). I thought I paid a traffic ticket where I allegedly didn't fully come to a stop at a stop sign. I was the only car on the road at the time, and the traffic cop was two blocks behind me. Quotas. Anyway, I had moved and changed my job and thought I paid the fine. I didn't and didn't appear in court. Since it is a small town, and the police have nothing to do, they were driving around the public parking lot in town and running license plates. They found out where I parked everyday and decided to have a stake out. I went to work one day at 9:00 AM and two police cars were on either side of my usual parking place. Back to jail.

Age 30, police were called to my house for alleged noise disturbance. I had 3 people on a back patio with no music. One person had gone to sleep. I had a few drinks, and was heading to sleep myself. Walking through the house I see 3 officers shinning flashlights in the house. There were two cop cars outside. I open the door and ask what the problem was. I was told there was a noise complaint and to keep it down. I raised my hands to my ears and asked "what noise?" Don't interrupt me! After some talking back, I was tackled on my front porch by two officers and taken to jail again. Charges: obstruction of justice and disturbing the peace. Totally falsified police reports, including simultaneous camera hard drive failures in both police cars. I have a lawyer this time around... city refuses to drop the disturbing the peace charge so I am going to trial for a non-misdemanor fine (a waste of my money) but it's about the principle.

Anyway, everything changed when police ceased to be peace officers and became (grit your teeth when you say it) law enforcement officers. You can't even get drunk and piss in an alleyway now without being a sex criminal. I don't drink that much, I keep my nose down, and I don't even pirate music or software - crazy I know. And I have been arrested three times with a rap sheet.

We live in a police state. Maybe it's necessary in Los Angeles to one degree or another, but the federalization of police and the altered training has gone nationwide. My hometown has less than 20,000 people, and a SWAT team. They give out over 2,000 DUI's per year for a town with a population of 20,000. I am not kidding. Over new years there were full camouflage police (or national guard) on the streets with a german shepherd attack dog. It is out of control and getting worse in the U.S. Soon it will be illegal to fart.

That is just the tip of the iceberg.

Here you go:

US Special Forces Were Operating Over Los Angeles Last Night During The Lakers Game

Five U.S. military helicopters were spotted flying low over the streets of Los Angeles late last night, as part of a tactical exercise coordinated with the Los Angeles Police Department.

According to CBS, one Black Hawk helicopter and four smaller OH-6 Little Birds flew from the U.S. Bank building downtown to the Staples Center, where the Lakers were playing below.

After lingering above the game, the Black Hawk was later seen making a hasty drop-off in a nearby park.

The LAPD said the training exercises, designed to boost the military's urban operation skills, would continue throughout the city on Thursday.


Read more: http://www.businessinsider.com/us-specia...z1kb6RAdAL
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Quote: (01-26-2012 03:17 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

US Special Forces Were Operating Over Los Angeles Last Night During The Lakers Game

Five U.S. military helicopters were spotted flying low over the streets of Los Angeles late last night, as part of a tactical exercise

Funny, I don't see any of these helicopters flying low over Wall street, where the real criminals are.


Mixx
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Quote: (01-26-2012 03:14 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

hey Durango - that second passport to Dominica (or another country) is starting to sound more attractive to me now based on your police experiences. What bullshit!

Whenever a cop approaches me, I just say the bare minimum, stick to yes/no answers, and comply with what he fucking wants, even if it means leave a bar because I am standing outside - I'll leave, and come back 30 minutes later. You lose more dealing with with these gangsters with badges than speaking up for yourself.

Mixx

Yeah, I badly want a second passport - not just for myself but for my family as well. It's a goal I am working towards. Another major terror attack, real or staged, and this country will be on lockdown. I could easily see travel restrictions, but that wouldn't affect us if we had a second passport.

You are right about the police and how to handle them. After a while though, especially if it is your hometown that is changing, you stand up for yourself instead of bow down. It's too bad really.

G - I wish I could say I am surprised about the drill over the lakers game but I am not.

In your experience Mixx and G, where has been your favorite place without violent crime - so you are not worried about it at all, as in your safety doesn't enter your mind - yet there is a small police presence. I'd love to live in a place like that, where there is freedom and liberty and safety. I know almost any city in the world would be ruled out due to bad neighborhoods and whatnot. Any ideas?

Plus one if it is either in Uruguay, Argentina, or Brazil, but anywhere that comes to mind would be great.
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I remember Emech had some good tips on standing up to police somewhere.

"A flower can not remain in bloom for years, but a garden can be cultivated to bloom throughout seasons and years." - xsplat
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Quote: (01-26-2012 03:33 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

In your experience Mixx and G, where has been your favorite place without violent crime - so you are not worried about it at all, as in your safety doesn't enter your mind - yet there is a small police presence. I'd love to live in a place like that, where there is freedom and liberty and safety.

See my Slovenia report.

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-2696.html

Also, see my Fargo, ND report (especially if you are black or latino)

http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-4655-p...l#pid68364

I had a run-in with cops in Fargo, they actually sat down and had a pleasant conversation with me and the guy I was hangin' with. Get this, I am an obvious latin guy, and the guy I was hangin' with was black - both cops were white, and they were helping us find good spots to eat!

Fargo is a city with almost 0 crime, and I never saw any cops pulling anyone over during my 3 months there - ever!

.....imagine that.


Mixx
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Quote: (01-26-2012 03:14 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

hey Durango - that second passport to Dominica (or another country) is starting to sound more attractive to me now based on your police experiences. What bullshit!

Whenever a cop approaches me, I just say the bare minimum, stick to yes/no answers, and comply with what he fucking wants, even if it means leave a bar because I am standing outside - I'll leave, and come back 30 minutes later. You lose more dealing with with these gangsters with badges than speaking up for yourself.

Mixx

I concur with Mixx. As a minority in certain countries, one has a LOT to lose (their life) when trying to sass a cop. They are already operating off of profiling (it's human nature) so certain groups will warranty a much more savage beatdown.
I don't say shyt when the cops come around. I don't trust strangers who are strapped.

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Mixx,

Your Slovenia report is fascinating. What a break down. I recall reading a petty crime report about pickpocketing in Europe based upon google searches, and Ljubljana came as I believe the top city for safety. The worst were in Spain and Italy - they almost had a lockdown on the top five. I am really not to worried about petty theft though.

Fargo sounds interesting. I bet the only thing to do in that town is drink and fuck, and the weather probably sucks, but hey if the girls look good enough why not?

Just got off the phone with my lawyer - here's a little tip for anyone one the forum: never hire a lawyer who is more beta than you are.
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