[Rurik]

Maybe the dude has little cash. Fuck, I don't know, I'm not his accountant. He says he's doing psychotherapy four times a week. If we're talking hourly sessions, that's 100 an hour minimum, and could be as high as 250 per hour, some therapists charge more. Unless someone else is paying that, I say he's got a decent amount of some kind.

[thegmanifesto]

(02-06-2012 12:39 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

Maybe the dude has little cash. Fuck, I don't know, I'm not his accountant. He says he's doing psychotherapy four times a week. If we're talking hourly sessions, that's 100 an hour minimum, and could be as high as 250 per hour, some therapists charge more. Unless someone else is paying that, I say he's got a decent amount of some kind.

So you went from him having "a couple millie lying around", to he has $400 per week to pay for psychotherapy?

That is a pretty big spread.

[MikeCF]

If I were worth "several million dollars," I wouldn't go to low-cost-of-living Austin, TX.

When guys leave L.A. or somewhere other than SF, NYC, or another big city, there's one reason and one reason only - They couldn't make it.

[Giovonny]

(01-28-2012 04:03 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

(01-28-2012 01:16 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I'm even transitioning into more day dates and day bangs. I have girls come over around 10am on a Saturday or Sunday morning. By 1pm we are fucked, fed and ready to take a nap.

My friends are getting ready to go out at 9pm and I'm getting ready for bed. I tell them, "I already banged today", I'm gonna relax and read Roosh"

Why wait til midnight to do what can be done at noon?

You obviously forgot to write a thread about that, Gio. Cough it up, champ!

(01-29-2012 07:05 PM)wolf Wrote:  

Would like to see a write up on this also.

Ok, well, what I'm talking about is "long term approach" to Game.

Being able to pull quality girls for as long as possible.

I made up my mind early that I wanted to be a playboy. I observed the playboys who were older the me. Some in their 30's, some in their 40's, and some even in their 50's and 60's.

I saw alot of guys "burn out". They would party so hard from 16-30, that by the time they we 35, they were washed up. They couldn't pull quality girls anymore.

I noticed another type of playboy, an older playboy who was fit and youthful looking.

I made up my mind that I would take care of myself as best I could, so that I could bang young girls for as long as I could.

I got into a healthy routine. I didn't party or drink to much. I did alot of happy hour dates and exercise type dates. I tried to bang as early in the day as possible because I like to go to bed early. This is just my lifestyle.

Like I mentioned earlier, one technique that I really like is The Saturday/Sunday Morning Bang

(01-30-2012 03:08 PM)Chad Daring Wrote:  

Interesting. Makes me think theres at least two archetype models for players. The Max model, never grows up eternal party boy who burns out, and the Roosh model, the ever evolving mature man who constantly changes as the game does and stays with it for the long run.

(01-30-2012 04:59 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I like to think the flavor of game I play is sustainable. I keep myself busy with hobbies and work, I exercise, I read, I eat healthy, and I drink moderately without getting drunk. While my needs may gradually change, I don't see myself waking up one day to denounce a lifestyle that I see as pretty balanced.

I plan on chasing young girls for a long time, so I have a "long term" strategy.

[gqntexas]

Funny i actually ran across this thread. I remember exactly how Tucker got his start. It was May of 2003. I remember this date because i had just been laid off of a good job.. I was sitting around my apartment one early noon flipping through channels and came across one of those MTV documentaries called "Sex 2K" about how young people meet and hook up in the post 2000's.. It was a one hour show (it only aired a few times). It featured 3 segments: 1. a girl from florida who used match.com to get dates; 2. some douche from i dont remember where but who used speed-dating to meet chicks; and 3. Tucker Max who had a webpage dating application that he made as a joke that girls could fill out to go on a date with him.. This is the original post:

http://www.tuckermax.com/stories/the-date-application/

I went to it and thought it was hilarious.. Then i went to his website and at that time there was only one story posted (early days, very pre-fame), the "Miss Vermont Story".. Here it is (not on his site anymore but in his book)

http://www.buzolich.com/indecorum/media/KatyJohnson.pdf

I remember reading it and thought it was the funniest thing i have ever encountered. Remember this was way before any Manophere blogs and and Red Pill and all the other stuff we have today.

After that MTV episode (May 2003), i remember he posted he eventually had to get a new sever host because his website got so many hits that it crashed.. Thats when his fame started, and to be honest, he changed my life and outlook on women.. I always had good game but just didn't know it.. This dude is the exact same age as me (im 36), and i was pretty much in the same boat as him (college grad, trying to figure out what to do with my life, chasing pussy, confused about women, ect), and as he posted more stories (that were hilarious), I started to see myself.. Anyway, dude turned his stories into best-selling books which gave the dude a huge ego. He thought his movie would be bigger than "The Hangover" (Seriously).. 6 million dollar budget, 1.6 million theatre sales.. Um fail..

But thanks Tucker, your stories were a true inspiration back in the early days..

(Again, found this dude way before Manospere and Red Pill)

[Ziltoid]

I think his whole persona was poseur bullshit.

(Finally remembered how video tags worked, gah.)

[TheCaptainPower]

Don't kick a man when his is down....I don't know how much money he has now, but Tucker most likely made a couple million dollars from his books/movies.

Same thing when people make fun of "Mystery", mystery had his own show on VH1 and people are hating...

BTW, VH1 if you are reading this, I am available anytime for a reality show. PM me: )

[bacon]

hes a trustfund baby he all but admitted this much in his first book. i think he is acting normal now so he doesnt get cut off. he made money but never really made it with the film, that was the begining of the end. he cant pull off his routine(hooking up easily with hot chicks) in the usa into old age so his "behavior change" was more to appease his family and make it easier to recieve his trust fund. at least thats how i see it.

[xsplat]

(01-25-2012 05:50 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

He updated his game something awesome!
...

Rep point earned for that one.

[ghostdog]

Tucker Max demonstrates how hedonism doesn't work

Seeing a therapist at 30 for your narcissism sounds downright miserable.

[TheMan]

(01-25-2012 03:54 PM)RioNomad Wrote:  

Never read any of his stories, but did watch his movie. It was fucking terrible. Anyone else see it? Shit was so lame.

Yup.

[Giovonny]

This is not uncommon. I have seen a few guys give up the playboy lifestyle in the name of religion. It doesn't fit their moral code.

Other reasons I have seen:

Guys fall in love
Guys are lonely
Guys party too much
Guys feel a need for stability
Family/cultural pressure to settle down
They were unsuccessful playboys

[thegmanifesto]

(01-01-2013 09:48 PM)TheCaptainPower Wrote:  

I don't know how much money he has now, but Tucker most likely made a couple million dollars from his books/movies.

Read through the thread.

This is highly improbable.

[xsplat]

(01-02-2013 01:28 AM)ghostdog Wrote:  

Tucker Max demonstrates how hedonism doesn't work

Seeing a therapist at 30 for your narcissism sounds downright miserable.

If hedonism isn't working, by definition that means it's being done wrong.

But you are right; the approach to hedonism must include moderation, and even at times periods of privation, otherwise it doesn't work.

[snoop]

(02-06-2012 02:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-06-2012 12:39 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

Maybe the dude has little cash. Fuck, I don't know, I'm not his accountant. He says he's doing psychotherapy four times a week. If we're talking hourly sessions, that's 100 an hour minimum, and could be as high as 250 per hour, some therapists charge more. Unless someone else is paying that, I say he's got a decent amount of some kind.

So you went from him having "a couple millie lying around", to he has $400 per week to pay for psychotherapy?

That is a pretty big spread.

$400 a week was the low end cost, and that is still over 20k a year, a decent amount.

He also tried to give 500k to Planned Parenthood but they declined it due to his reputation.

If I recall corectly his latest book had a story that included an mention of buying a Range Rover in cash.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had a million bucks, hell I know people who have zero fame and aren't bastselling authors who have that kind of money.

[thegmanifesto]

(01-03-2013 09:30 AM)snoop Wrote:  

(02-06-2012 02:35 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(02-06-2012 12:39 PM)Rurik Wrote:  

Maybe the dude has little cash. Fuck, I don't know, I'm not his accountant. He says he's doing psychotherapy four times a week. If we're talking hourly sessions, that's 100 an hour minimum, and could be as high as 250 per hour, some therapists charge more. Unless someone else is paying that, I say he's got a decent amount of some kind.

So you went from him having "a couple millie lying around", to he has $400 per week to pay for psychotherapy?

That is a pretty big spread.

$400 a week was the low end cost, and that is still over 20k a year, a decent amount.

He also tried to give 500k to Planned Parenthood but they declined it due to his reputation.

If I recall corectly his latest book had a story that included an mention of buying a Range Rover in cash.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had a million bucks, hell I know people who have zero fame and aren't bastselling authors who have that kind of money.

Yeah, I could "try" to give 500 million to Planned Parenthood knowing they wouldn't take it too.

That was a media stunt by Ryan Holiday who wrote a book called Trust Me, I'm Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Me-Lying-Con...159184553X So believe the validity of that all you want.

A Range Rover is 60k or so.

I could buy 4 in cash.

Doesn't mean I have "millions lying around".

[soup]

(01-02-2013 01:28 AM)ghostdog Wrote:  

Tucker Max demonstrates how hedonism doesn't work

Seeing a therapist at 30 for your narcissism sounds downright miserable.

How hedonism doesn't work?

This forum is devoted to getting laid.

[Timoteo]

Yep. He's not the first guy to find God when he's bottomed out. George Bush II found Jesus at the bottom of a liquor bottle at age 44.

[sixsix]

At the end of the day, whether he's rich or poor, and whether he's changed or did it to open up new playing fields, we are all talking about him and I doubt he is thinking about us.

"His hedonism didn't work." Sure, if you say so. But neither did being a fearful conformist beta for millions of other guys. I would rather discover that the playboy lifestyle is not a panacea after fucking hundreds of chicks and have the option to marry a quality girl to start a family with, than to be bitterly frustrated because of never having gotten those base desires fulfilled.

"But no, he's not even a billionaire!" The tragedy!

[snoop]

(01-03-2013 11:23 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Yeah, I could "try" to give 500 million to Planned Parenthood knowing they wouldn't take it too.

That was a media stunt by Ryan Holiday who wrote a book called Trust Me, I'm Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Me-Lying-Con...159184553X So believe the validity of that all you want.

A Range Rover is 60k or so.

I could buy 4 in cash.

Doesn't mean I have "millions lying around".

Youre right that doesn't "prove" anyting, which wasn't my point, but that him having a million dollars isn't some crazy impossibility.

[thegmanifesto]

(01-04-2013 08:56 AM)snoop Wrote:  

(01-03-2013 11:23 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Yeah, I could "try" to give 500 million to Planned Parenthood knowing they wouldn't take it too.

That was a media stunt by Ryan Holiday who wrote a book called Trust Me, I'm Lying: Confessions of a Media Manipulator http://www.amazon.com/Trust-Me-Lying-Con...159184553X So believe the validity of that all you want.

A Range Rover is 60k or so.

I could buy 4 in cash.

Doesn't mean I have "millions lying around".

Youre right that doesn't "prove" anyting, which wasn't my point, but that him having a million dollars isn't some crazy impossibility.

Sure.

Like I said before, he could have been dealing coke or E-tabs all these years to flag football teams in universities around the country.

The evidence is he doesn't have that from books. Or from his movie that was 6 million upside down.

Hell, the evidence is he probably never even made that from books, let alone has that in his accounts.

If someone can prove that he has that kind of dough, I would be all ears.

But so far everyone just assumes he has "a couple Millie lying around" because they have heard of the guy.

The world doesn't work that way.

[beta_plus]

(01-25-2012 03:53 PM)raliv Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 03:38 PM)ElJefe Wrote:  

Weird, inadvertantly, it was Tucker Max that led me to Roosh.

He had a forum too, then some guy sent me over to Alpha-Male status, went to Roissy, and then ended up here.

Same. Tucker Max got me interested and I found a Roissy article about sluts. Interesting article in Forbes. Looks like everything has come full circle.

Same here. Someone wrote something about Tucker Max, which referred to the Weekly Standard Article that featured Roissy, which lead me to Roosh.

[Lucky]

For what it's worth, he says on his website

"Authors always say that writing books doesn’t pay well. Bullshit. When you sell millions of books, it pays well enough to not have to do anything I don’t want to do for the rest of my life."

That doesn't mean he's rich, but if he's telling the truth it means he has more money than most of us.

[RouteBackwards]

(01-25-2012 03:15 PM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 03:08 PM)scallleywag Wrote:  

Well not exactly that bad, but

http://onforb.es/xKJ8sm

What's your take?

Probably a desperate publicity stunt to sell more books.

However, I believe he is done.

Another flash in the pan.

Most people don't have the heart to live this life long term.

I have seen plenty like him come an go.

As far as his writing, it was "crazy stories for middle america" which of course is why it was popular and appealed to so many people.

Honestly, I read a few of his stories and the stuff seemed like what any dork at college that played flag football on weekends would write about.

If homeboy walked a year in my shoes he would be a snotty, crying mess.

But good for him. He had mass appeal.

"A lot of rappers be like one time wonders, they couldn't say a fly rhyme if there was one right under, their noses"

[Sombro]

Is Tucker Max Living the New American Dream for Men?

http://pjmedia.com/drhelen/2014/02/23/is...m-for-men/

Quote:

Quote:

The actions in his books document an alpha male rebelling fantastically against social norms and expressing it in such a way that degrades women. While degrading women is not a positive force in the world, it simply seems to be his reaction to a world where men are put down. Max, being a strong alpha male, sees that he has an advantage that most guys do not have, and he ruthlessly exploits it simply because he can. This is because any man, who is generally put down in modern society, would relish the opportunity to turn the tables. That’s why Max has legions of fans. His fans believe he is out there winning for men everywhere. In his post-“Fratire” career, it’s easy to see that Max is perhaps living a new American Dream that doesn’t involve marriage. I would very much be interested in your take on the Tucker Max phenomenon.

My take? The reader is correct in that Tucker Max is rebelling against a society that tells a man to act in a conformist PC matter in order to not be viewed as a pariah by the culture (not necessarily by women he is trying to land) and to avoid having the authorities called in. It is very much like fraternity guys who are tired of being scrutinized, held up as chauvinist, and controlled and monitored by colleges. Sometimes these guys just hold up a finger to the world and say, “Damn it, I won’t go along with the feminists, PC idiots and general indoctrination that men are evil perverts that need to be kept under surveillance.”