There were a few questions raised about EE and Russian women with regards to money and game in this thread. Its become quite long now, so I thought it would be a better idea to separate this into a new thread.
I believe that EE women, and even more than that Russian women, are some of the most misunderstood when it comes to money. They are seen as gold diggers quite often, and while its true of many of them, its actually a cultural thing with them. At the same time, money is often one of their biggest shit tests.
So firstly, understand that the USSR meant that EE had Russian culture and its language imposed on them. Even though most of EE countries are not historically Russian, there has been a major Russian influence there in the last 50 years. Also, a large amount of Russians moved to these countries too and often held administrative power, to the point that they are the dominate population in many parts. So the more time you spend in EE, you will often see an undercurrent of resentment towards Russians who are culturally different in many ways but also were kind of an "upper class" during communism.
Its important to make a few subtle adjustments based on where your target is from because of this. Russians are Russians and while many are actually integrating now, they hold on for dear life, even in western countries where many have migrated to. So there are some cultural differences between Russians and the rest of the slavs, often resulting in physical splits in entire regions or in cities. And there are cultural differences between Northern Slavs (Ukraine up) and Southern Slavs (Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, etc) who tend to have a bit more in common with Turkish, Greek and Italian culture too. This changes how you should be closing these women.
With Russian women, money is important to them because they believe that men must provide. They see a man who does not provide as weak. If you cannot put food on the table and look after her kids one day, you are not a man. They believe in traditional gender roles where men provide for women to raise children. Its something they aspire to because for them, a sole breadwinner is a sign of very high status for both of them. And the whole courting thing is part of the process, although they put out quickly.
At the same time, they HATE weak men, and if they smell weakness they almost seem to feel obligated to take them for everything they can. Anyone who thinks feminine women are weak have never seen a Russian bitch in action.
When it comes to money, there are a few golden rules. This is not about the pick up itself, although the thread is open so Ill answer what I can based on my experiences, this is more about how you handle Russian women and the money issue with them.
Treat them like they are in 1950 still
1) If you invite them out, you pay. Dinner, clubs and bars, lunch. Its old school dating with them. This is starting to change a bit and many of the younger women actually do offer to pay so there are going to be times where you wont be expected to pay. I would still recommend it though, because it does you good with them. They dont appreciate it, they expect it. Just like they know you are going to expect sex.
2) Do not buy these women things. They are romantic and for some reason flowers and chocolates get them wet, so little things like that are OK. I feel like a fag buying shit like this, but it gets your dick sucked it seems. But if they start ASKING for things, you need to come down on this shit hard. You cover costs when she is with you, you dont support her and you dont cover her costs when she is not with you. If you do, its going to go downhill fast. They will take you for everything they can.
3) Know that men having a mistress is common. And that there is no shame in it either in Russia. This is a financial transaction really. Basically the men support them as if they were stay at home wives, they become part of his stable. Its normally married men who tend to do this. Some women like the idea of being sponsored and seek it out. If she is constantly asking for things or tells you she needs help with rent, this is her subtle way of saying she is looking for a sponsor. You need to walk. Women tend to turn a blind eye to it all.
4) Age is not a problem. In fact, men between 30 and 50 are the most desirable. For men 50 plus, women in their late 20's and early 30's are on the cards still. You should be banging women in their mid 30's with ease when you are well into your 60's.
Money is not the be all and end all though. Most Russian men are broke and they still do ok. Also, the ratios are so high in Russia you have 7's that can end up unmarried. What this means is that for many of them any man will do, and they will often compromise. And they are still women, push the right buttons and they are going to fuck, no matter how thick your wallet is. You tend to find that the real knockouts though are going to be the most demanding simply because they know what their market value is.
Lastly, the reason why I say there subtle differences between Russian and local women in EE countries is because EE women tend to be a little less hardcore about the whole thing. But you need to make a few adjustments immediately as soon as you find out they are Russian. Most notably you need to go caveman and then start escalating quickly. Try find out early is classifies herself as Russian or local, play it dumb if you have to.
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What I'm curious about is how HH's EE game differed from his Murkan game.
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Hooligan: If I were to read between the lines of your posts, I wanted to ask if you sponsor the women in your harem. Not so much if you think you sponsor women (since money is not important to you), but if they think it. I know this type of arrangement is popular and more-or-less accepted with Russian women, which you have the most experience with.
I believe that EE women, and even more than that Russian women, are some of the most misunderstood when it comes to money. They are seen as gold diggers quite often, and while its true of many of them, its actually a cultural thing with them. At the same time, money is often one of their biggest shit tests.
So firstly, understand that the USSR meant that EE had Russian culture and its language imposed on them. Even though most of EE countries are not historically Russian, there has been a major Russian influence there in the last 50 years. Also, a large amount of Russians moved to these countries too and often held administrative power, to the point that they are the dominate population in many parts. So the more time you spend in EE, you will often see an undercurrent of resentment towards Russians who are culturally different in many ways but also were kind of an "upper class" during communism.
Its important to make a few subtle adjustments based on where your target is from because of this. Russians are Russians and while many are actually integrating now, they hold on for dear life, even in western countries where many have migrated to. So there are some cultural differences between Russians and the rest of the slavs, often resulting in physical splits in entire regions or in cities. And there are cultural differences between Northern Slavs (Ukraine up) and Southern Slavs (Romania, Bulgaria, Croatia, etc) who tend to have a bit more in common with Turkish, Greek and Italian culture too. This changes how you should be closing these women.
With Russian women, money is important to them because they believe that men must provide. They see a man who does not provide as weak. If you cannot put food on the table and look after her kids one day, you are not a man. They believe in traditional gender roles where men provide for women to raise children. Its something they aspire to because for them, a sole breadwinner is a sign of very high status for both of them. And the whole courting thing is part of the process, although they put out quickly.
At the same time, they HATE weak men, and if they smell weakness they almost seem to feel obligated to take them for everything they can. Anyone who thinks feminine women are weak have never seen a Russian bitch in action.
When it comes to money, there are a few golden rules. This is not about the pick up itself, although the thread is open so Ill answer what I can based on my experiences, this is more about how you handle Russian women and the money issue with them.
Treat them like they are in 1950 still
1) If you invite them out, you pay. Dinner, clubs and bars, lunch. Its old school dating with them. This is starting to change a bit and many of the younger women actually do offer to pay so there are going to be times where you wont be expected to pay. I would still recommend it though, because it does you good with them. They dont appreciate it, they expect it. Just like they know you are going to expect sex.
2) Do not buy these women things. They are romantic and for some reason flowers and chocolates get them wet, so little things like that are OK. I feel like a fag buying shit like this, but it gets your dick sucked it seems. But if they start ASKING for things, you need to come down on this shit hard. You cover costs when she is with you, you dont support her and you dont cover her costs when she is not with you. If you do, its going to go downhill fast. They will take you for everything they can.
3) Know that men having a mistress is common. And that there is no shame in it either in Russia. This is a financial transaction really. Basically the men support them as if they were stay at home wives, they become part of his stable. Its normally married men who tend to do this. Some women like the idea of being sponsored and seek it out. If she is constantly asking for things or tells you she needs help with rent, this is her subtle way of saying she is looking for a sponsor. You need to walk. Women tend to turn a blind eye to it all.
4) Age is not a problem. In fact, men between 30 and 50 are the most desirable. For men 50 plus, women in their late 20's and early 30's are on the cards still. You should be banging women in their mid 30's with ease when you are well into your 60's.
Money is not the be all and end all though. Most Russian men are broke and they still do ok. Also, the ratios are so high in Russia you have 7's that can end up unmarried. What this means is that for many of them any man will do, and they will often compromise. And they are still women, push the right buttons and they are going to fuck, no matter how thick your wallet is. You tend to find that the real knockouts though are going to be the most demanding simply because they know what their market value is.
Lastly, the reason why I say there subtle differences between Russian and local women in EE countries is because EE women tend to be a little less hardcore about the whole thing. But you need to make a few adjustments immediately as soon as you find out they are Russian. Most notably you need to go caveman and then start escalating quickly. Try find out early is classifies herself as Russian or local, play it dumb if you have to.
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I think that would upset her more than the fact that he is banging someone else. 
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