[thegmanifesto]

(01-24-2012 06:37 PM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

Arguments for making extra tens of thousands central to your life:

Until a loved one calls from a jail, needing 5K to be bailed out right now.

---Dude should have thought of that before he did the crime, and his parents have more money than me.

Until you're in a car accident, and require extensive care and rehab.

---In EU, Gubmint pays for that

Until you get really sick, and need six figures to pay for your drugs.

---In EU/Civilized world; Gubmint pays. Or I die. Big deal. But I can't live in fear and stay in the POD for ten more years because this might happen. Reference Hemingway and Hunter Thompson-- when they started losing their shit they just checked out.

Until you catch a case, and need to come up with 50 large.

---I don't commit crimes. So I don't live in fear.

Then you'll learn that the greatest enslavement is poverty.

---And you may learn when you get older like me that the only poverty you can never get out of is being out of time.

Must be nice to live in a world where nothing goes wrong.

In my world, sh*t happens every now and then.

Quote:

---I don't commit crimes. So I don't live in fear.

You never commit crimes?

You don't speed?

Jaywalk?

Always wear your seatbelt?

Never talk on the phone while driving?

Never ever take a piss in public?

Never ever in a car with someone with a gun? Drugs? Open container?

Never hang out with someone smoking a joint?

Never in a house with drug paraphernalia?

Never drink a beer on the street?

On the beach?

Glass container on the boardwalk?

Take a drag of a cigarette within 15 feet of a building?

Clean after your dog every single time?

Drop a piece of paper on the ground?

Ever?

If so, your good.

If not, don't come to the California Police State.

We are all criminals here.

[xmlenigma]

wwwTraveler - Would definitely like to speak to you more about this if you dont mind. I've done bunch of consulting and have done some work w SW Product ideation, arch & also one received buy / invest offer.

(01-24-2012 03:09 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 03:30 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Dont get me wrong, i am not underestimating the power of money, i also hate poverty and i hate people that choose to live a mediocre life. However i like my freedom and happiness too much to be enslaved on making money for the rest of my life, im currently working 12 hours a day for a company and running businesses on the side, i know this will pay later, but im not looking to live this type of life for too many years, i was way happier when i was just travelling. So its all about calculating how much you need to live an independent location lifestyle, get the money for it or streams of income and then go live that freedom lifestyle.

Pitt, deciding what type of business you create will be very important if you want to later relax.

I started out consulting. At the height of my consulting days, I was bringing in anywhere $4 - $6k a week.

The only problem with that was trading time for dollars. I was capped at that point and it wasn't something I felt had security or something I wanted to do until I retired.

Besides, the traveling got under my skin after awhile. We were not talking about places I wanted to spend time at. I had to go where the work was and it was mainly onsite at undesirable locations.

I then got into real estate and set that up more as a business rather then investing. It was a lot of work but I learned a lot and did pretty well. In fact, I may be getting back into this market but more as a lender to other investors.

Still, it wasn't quite what I was looking for. I was still married to that. I could hire others but the skill set needed wasn't something a lot of people had. The ones that had it probably wouldn't stick around for long.

I ended up getting into selling my own software products. This is what I do today. I had a lot of experience in software from my consultancy work.

Lifestyle wise, this was the best option for me. I can work from anywhere. Depending on the market I choose, I can sell a shit load.

It is completely automated from purchase to delivery. I can hire people to program who doesn't happen to understand the marketing aspect. That helps me keep people more long term.

This year is already blowing up for me but it took me over 6 years of a lot of hours to develop my current product line (still working on it). Well worth it...

Now, I will be hiring some more programmers this year as well as customer service reps. My time involved will diminish greatly if I want. I have it set up so two people can run the day to day stuff.

Unfortunately for me, I have 5 more years of products enhancements and other lines to develop. haha I do love the game and I like to be productive with my time. Spending time on a beach gets boring after a couple of days for me.

So it really depends on the business you create, how you structure it, and the type of markets you go after. Always think about the end game. You will start trading a lot of your time in the beginning. If you set things up right that doesn't mean you will have to continue that route later once your business is kicking ass.

[pitt]

(01-24-2012 03:05 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 10:52 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

Yeah, this is real life.

I am always amazed at the financial examples people use on here.

This thread and other money thread taught me two things.

I'm realizing most people who post on here are children.

They also know everything already.

You have kids who have never been their own safety net talking about how much money a guy needs to make.

Yeah, if you live at home, or can call mommy or daddy when you car breaks down, and you need to come up with a few grand for repairs (or a down payment on a new car), sure, you can "live" on 3,000 a month.

When there's no one to call, then what?

You have kids talking about what life is like on 250K when they've never lived alone for five years, seen a five or six figure bonus check, and don't even know anyone who has a Black card.

I don't know how you older cats have longevity here.

I'd like to help, but you can't help these kids. They know it all already.

Pretty lame stuff from the "young buck alpha males." LOL.

''Young Buck alpha males'' LMAO

Anyway, i have lived by myself since i was 14, so i dont know where that ''guys still living with their parents'' is coming from.

I think we just have totally different life experiences. I enjoy making money but the feeling of just living a life where all i think about is making money kills me on the inside, specially when you are living in a country that you dont like and you also dont like the national women.

Nothing beats my international playboy life, they are my best kept memories and i cant wait to go back to it.

Sacrificing my 20's and 30s to live a good life after my 40s is becoming less of an option.

[Moma]

(01-25-2012 12:31 AM)pitt Wrote:  

''Young Buck alpha males'' LMAO

Anyway, i have lived by myself since i was 14, so i dont know where that ''guys still living with their parents'' is coming from.

I think we just have totally different life experiences. I enjoy making money but the feeling of just living a life where all i think about is making money kills me on the inside, specially when you are living in a country that you dont like and you also dont like the national women.

Nothing beats my international playboy life, they are my best kept memories and i cant wait to go back to it.

Sacrificing my 20's and 30s to live a good life after my 40s is becoming less of an option.

I concur totally with Pitt. I grew up in the UK and if I focused myself, I could have probably been making P's there. Problem, I hated the British culture. It ceased to become fun after schooling ended. Now, one would have to go to work, weather is always shytty, people always moany, the only idea people had was to go to the local, get shitfaced and maybe shag some scratch faced lizard.

So I made the decision to come over here and be treated like an immigrant instead. Even in retrospect, I would do it again (or maybe travel to a city with easier lizards though).

A lot of you guys speak from American perspective. In America, as long as you have money you can do a lot of shyt. Money talks in America.

Some of these other countries are entrenched in a firm culture. Come and floss those big dollars in the UK. See how they shut you down if you don't match the cloth.

Come to France and do that big tymer shyt. Look what they did to Oprah and you know she is balling out of control.

Culture. My point is, make that money yes but don't sacrifice experiences. Try and make money WHILE in transit, learn how to work and play. If you sacrifice too much in EITHER direction, you end up as this old man with A LOT of coin and no energy (nor imagination) to enjoy it.

[worldwidetraveler]

(01-25-2012 12:31 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Nothing beats my international playboy life, they are my best kept memories and i cant wait to go back to it.

Sacrificing my 20's and 30s to live a good life after my 40s is becoming less of an option.

You were pretty hard core on the money front but now seem to be relaxing a little. Look, there is no right or wrong answer here. You got to figure out what you want first.

If you consider what you're doing as a sacrifice then you are doing it wrong. Pick something that you enjoy doing and it won't be such a sacrifice.

I would just reconsider your plan and develop one that will get you the cashflow you need to travel and continue building on it. Something that can be done on the road.

I suggest keeping in mind scalability otherwise you will paint yourself into a corner.

[germanico]

(01-19-2012 10:45 AM)Pilgrim37 Wrote:  

"An abundance of women is an integral part of any straight man's lifestyle. "


At your stage of life maybe,or if you love being constantly single.

But ,at least for me being in my late 30's having ONE great girl:yes hot,yes great in the sack, BUT loyal,gentle,good maternal instincts is so much preferable than being a "playa" with skanks all over the place.

Abundance is not the same as "having a lot of something"

To me, abundance is the ability to have what you want whenever you want it.

So, you have a great girl. But you know that there are many great girls, and that if for whatever reason you lost your current girl, you can geat another one just as great, or even better, in no time.

A man without the abundance mentality will cling to her, smother her with attention, tolerate unacceptable actions from her, or even resort to violence, because he KNOWS that he wont ever get another woman interested in him.

So you have one woman that makes you happy and satisfied. Thats abundance to me.

I love coffee. I want to have a couple of cups of high quality coffee every morning, and I want a lifestyle where coffee is a given thing, something that is just and always present.

Do I need to keep a hundred sacks in my basement to feel "abundance"? No, I buy my coffee one pack at a time. I feel reassured that my lifestyle will always provide me with the means to have my fill every morning.

[xmlenigma]

wwwTraveler - Would definitely like to speak to you more about this if you dont mind. I've done bunch of consulting and have done some work w SW Product ideation, arch & also one received buy / invest offer.

I couldnt find a way to PM/ Email you so writing it here.

Since we all collaborate here on so many types of ideas, I am sure we could do some of that too.

(01-25-2012 04:19 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 12:31 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Nothing beats my international playboy life, they are my best kept memories and i cant wait to go back to it.

Sacrificing my 20's and 30s to live a good life after my 40s is becoming less of an option.

You were pretty hard core on the money front but now seem to be relaxing a little. Look, there is no right or wrong answer here. You got to figure out what you want first.

If you consider what you're doing as a sacrifice then you are doing it wrong. Pick something that you enjoy doing and it won't be such a sacrifice.

I would just reconsider your plan and develop one that will get you the cashflow you need to travel and continue building on it. Something that can be done on the road.

I suggest keeping in mind scalability otherwise you will paint yourself into a corner.

[worldwidetraveler]

(01-25-2012 10:15 PM)xmlenigma Wrote:  

wwwTraveler - Would definitely like to speak to you more about this if you dont mind. I've done bunch of consulting and have done some work w SW Product ideation, arch & also one received buy / invest offer.

I couldnt find a way to PM/ Email you so writing it here.

Since we all collaborate here on so many types of ideas, I am sure we could do some of that too.

Yeah, sure. Not sure what you mean by collaboration. I am full on with my own projects and wouldn't be interested in taking others on.

With that said...

You should be able to pm me through the forum or start a thread and I will help answer questions if I can.

[xmlenigma]

Not trying to get on board your ship. Just knowledge sharing about our understanding of different areas, learnings etc.

PS: Your PM is disabled.

[pitt]

(01-25-2012 04:19 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(01-25-2012 12:31 AM)pitt Wrote:  

Nothing beats my international playboy life, they are my best kept memories and i cant wait to go back to it.

Sacrificing my 20's and 30s to live a good life after my 40s is becoming less of an option.

You were pretty hard core on the money front but now seem to be relaxing a little. Look, there is no right or wrong answer here. You got to figure out what you want first.

If you consider what you're doing as a sacrifice then you are doing it wrong. Pick something that you enjoy doing and it won't be such a sacrifice.

I would just reconsider your plan and develop one that will get you the cashflow you need to travel and continue building on it. Something that can be done on the road.

I suggest keeping in mind scalability otherwise you will paint yourself into a corner.

You're right

Sometimes i get confused. I am working for a company where now and then i get the feeling of leaving it, because i cant stand this corporate back stabbing, hating, etc

I am more a business type of person and im seriously consider leaving work to focus more on my business. But this other side tells me just to leave the country where i am because i dont like the national women here, i dont mind having to work hard all the time but it would also be good to be having lots of hot women on the side. I like to work and play, just working frustrates me, just playing also gets me bored.

But i definetely dont want to be 35 and be travelling on the budget, so i need to think carefully about what i am going to do.

[worldwidetraveler]

(01-26-2012 12:29 AM)xmlenigma Wrote:  

Not trying to get on board your ship. Just knowledge sharing about our understanding of different areas, learnings etc.

PS: Your PM is disabled.

My bad, I didn't realize pm was off by default.

[worldwidetraveler]

(01-26-2012 12:34 AM)pitt Wrote:  

But i definetely dont want to be 35 and be travelling on the budget, so i need to think carefully about what i am going to do.

Shit... you're still a young guy. If you make mistakes, and you will, bouncing back won't be a problem.

Just get your cashflow under control first so you won't be getting desperate while you expand.

[germanico]

(01-24-2012 06:33 AM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

In spite of all our problems with issues like health care, etc., I'm happy to be an American. No other country as far as I know promotes entrepreneurship, self-improvement, and is as open and meritocratic as the US. It's still the world's "center stage" and top type-A country. I think I was born in the right country at an important time in its history. We may have problems, especially right now, but so does every other country. The ones that are said to be doing better these days still haven't caught up to us and won't for some time.

Im not to keen on America. Its a great country, I just hate their prefabricated everything. However, theres one thing that I admire from american culture:

You can be anything you want.

You can be a korean 40something and become the head of your own dry cleaning franchise.

You can be a socially inept college dropout and become the worlds youngest billionaire.

You can be an austrian pothead fresh out of the boat and become the governor of California.

(01-24-2012 01:56 PM)mofo Wrote:  

Solution: Make money while you are young then enjoy it then make more money.

Money is not going anywhere. It will always be there for the taking. Make enough of it to do whatever you want to do. Then make some more.

[iknowexactly]

Quote:
---I don't commit crimes. So I don't live in fear.

You never commit crimes?


-- I started a new thread in "Everything Else" about crime and societal response as it is
only indirectly related to game.

[Moma]

(01-26-2012 12:34 AM)pitt Wrote:  

You're right

Sometimes i get confused. I am working for a company where now and then i get the feeling of leaving it, because i cant stand this corporate back stabbing, hating, etc

I am more a business type of person and im seriously consider leaving work to focus more on my business. But this other side tells me just to leave the country where i am because i dont like the national women here, i dont mind having to work hard all the time but it would also be good to be having lots of hot women on the side. I like to work and play, just working frustrates me, just playing also gets me bored.

But i definetely dont want to be 35 and be travelling on the budget, so i need to think carefully about what i am going to do.

Pitt, you were trying to do a ting on the side. How is that going? I am in your boat too. Keep striving for that side business but be smart, fam, don't leave the job until you're sure that business is making enough P's to substantiate what you are getting from the 9-5.

[eradicator]

(01-19-2012 02:12 AM)thegmanifesto Wrote:  

(01-19-2012 12:22 AM)iknowexactly Wrote:  

250k is , wild guess, more than 99.999 pct of the people in the world make. Probably more than 90 pct of the ppl in beverly hills.

So if that is not at least relatively rich, what is?

edit:

found a list of top towns usa:

RankPlacePer Capita IncomeNumber of Households
1Palm Beach, Florida$109,2195,789
2Bloomfield Hills, Michigan$104,9203,869
3Belle Meade, Tennessee$104,9082,943
4Woodside, California$104,6671,949
5Indian River Shores, Florida$102,5111,854
6Cherry Hills Village, Colorado$99,9961,980
7Portola Valley, California$99,6211,700
8Newport Coast, California$98,7701,001
9Hillsborough, California$98,6433,689

These lists are complete Bullsh*t. (iknowexactly, I am not aiming this at you, I am aiming it at the list).

I see them all the time, and I never understand where they get their information.

"Newport Coast, California$98,770"

Laughable.

I can straight up guarantee you that there is not a single "house hold" in Newport Coast that makes less than 98k a year.

For those who don't know, cribs in Newport Coast cost 12 million. There are 30 million dollar cribs there.

"Palm Beach, Florida$109,219"

This is a joke.

Average household? Like the husband is making 60k and wife is making 40k?

In Palm Beach? No shot.

People make 60k a month there. People make 600k a month there.

I may get heat from people on here, but 250k a year in Coastal Southern California for a "household" is not rich. Not by any stretch of the imagination.

You are eating decent restaurants, average clothes on your back, a crib and a car. Maybe a kid. Zero travel. Zero Custom Suits. Maybe a dog.

That's it.

Maybe saving 20k per year. Maybe a little more.

1 month a year traveling? No shot.

3 trips to Vegas a year? No shot.

2 kids? No shot.

3 kids? You are declaring bankruptcy.

Either that or you are up to your ears in 100k credit card debt.

You are just really getting by.

It does say per capita, and children don't make anything but still count as +1 to the population. A lot of families live in newport, where the father makes good money, the wife doesn't work and the kids don't work

[Kish]

[Roswell87]

Yh I agee, maybe the highest level of game is doing what you want and desired and simply not following a routine, tricks and techniques given out by others. In the end, live life on your terms,no one else.