[BigAlexBoss]

Seeing this lizard, probably HB5.5, 27, for a month, very much short term relationship. Im 32.

I have her as my main girlfriend because I click with her on a personality level - looks wise, though she is tall and in great shape with a good rack, she has quite short hair (hate this - women don't cut your f***** hair off) and her face is very very plain. Another negative is she has diabetes needing to always have a mobile phone sized insulin pump connected to her - complicates sex a bit because we have to remove it before. She just about passes the boner test.

I also have a russian HB6 on rotation also but her personality just doesn't do it for me, almost impossible to find common ground.

HB5.5 just sent me a text message flaking on our dinner date tonight, saying " blah blah I need to rethink our relationship, sorry blah blah."

Somewhat surprised initially but then I think that as a reformed AFC, I am occasionally slipping back into beta behaviour with her such as buying her a christmas present (lingerie in an attempt to make her more sexually appetising to me) after only a few weeks together, getting into overly long sms chat with her, not going down on her orally yet (she complained about this one, saying to her sex and orgasms were very important in a relationship, unfortunately the relationship has coincided with a month of very low libido due to stopping a treatment). I may have failed one or two shit tests too as well as overly hinting that I have other female options. There is a colombian classmate of hers also sniffing around that she always seems to be hagning around with. Once I had two chicks on rotation, I stopped approaching.... mistake.

My aim at this point is to get some practice in a good relationship recovery and then dump her ass, as and when convenient to me.

Alex before Game: Ring her, stay calm, suggest to meet for a coffee and talk about the "relationship", what she thinks is missing, what the problem is - maybe even apologise for some of the mysoginist offhand comments I may have made.

Alex post game: I expect you boys will advise me to hold my frame and go alpha on her regarding bringing up my own grievances with her(there are a number) first and then angling for her apology. At the same time, go out and approach approach approach to get the pipeline active and then dump her ass as convenient.

Any advice most welcome.

[at350zguyy]

approach approach approach is the right mentality, but i would drop her form your rotation until she shows interest again.

[wolf]

No offense but dropping a bitch is 99% of the advice. If a bitch becomes problematic and a guy drops her then the next guy has to deal with your bullshit.

No wonder the women in this country are getting so fucked up. It's because of some small sneeze in the relationship and both parties break up. If a woman leaves she needs to leave thinking, not the hamster spinning the wheel and go clueless into the next relationship with the same outcomes.

You need to learn bitch management. Search the forum for Black Phillip Show and download all the podcasts.

"Drop a bitch, call her a whore and get wasted" is typical advice. I'm dealing with the last pussy mother fucker's problem because he didn't set his bitch straight.

[wolfpack10]

If she needs to "rethink", give her all the time in the world, especially when you have other chicks in the starting rotation. At 27, her worldly value isn't increasing, she seems to need a timeout to realize that.

[el mechanico]

HB5.5 just sent me a text message flaking on our dinner date tonight, saying " blah blah I need to rethink our relationship, sorry blah blah."

Text her back "Good!" and nothing else. It's Friday so go out and meet some sluts and don't text or take her calls for a few days.

You can post whatever she sends back here but don't call or text after that.

[WestIndianArchie]

(01-06-2012 04:09 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

HB5.5 just sent me a text message flaking on our dinner date tonight, saying " blah blah I need to rethink our relationship, sorry blah blah."

Text her back "Good!" and nothing else. It's Friday so go out and meet some sluts and don't text or take her calls for a few days.

^^This

[babelfish669]

Dude don't waste your time on garbage. An hour with her is an hour stopping you from getting hotter girls.

[Menace]

" blah blah I need to rethink our relationship, sorry blah blah." = I have other (better) cock potentially entering into my slutty snatch, so I may not need you anymore.

Insulin pump? Jesus, you've been having sex with a cyborg. Toss her no-Islets of Langerhans-having ass out.

[mofo]

lol

[MrXY]

(01-06-2012 03:28 PM)BigAlexBoss Wrote:  

Somewhat surprised initially but then I think that as a reformed AFC, I am occasionally slipping back into beta behaviour with her such as buying her a christmas present (lingerie in an attempt to make her more sexually appetising to me) after only a few weeks together, getting into overly long sms chat with her, not going down on her orally yet (she complained about this one, saying to her sex and orgasms were very important in a relationship, unfortunately the relationship has coincided with a month of very low libido due to stopping a treatment). I may have failed one or two shit tests too as well as overly hinting that I have other female options. There is a colombian classmate of hers also sniffing around that she always seems to be hagning around with. Once I had two chicks on rotation, I stopped approaching.... mistake.

My aim at this point is to get some practice in a good relationship

Looks like you have good insight into mistakes you have made-just treat this as a beneficial learning experience.
I wouldn't reply to the flake message at all. If she restarts ignore a few of her calls and texts before you reply.
Never apologize and attempt to justify anything she complains about- just say you thought you two were having a good time together and that's what you want the relationship to be about.
If she comes back bang her hard a few more times then eject

[Timoteo]

Your response to her text about needing to re-evaluate the relationship should be simply, "I understand." That's it. It can be hard to find everything you want in a girl - clicking personality-wise, her being attractive in both body and face, and having great sex. Throw in the health issue on top of it...you have to weigh whether or not she's worth YOU making adjustments to make her happy. There are obviously things you like about her, so don't dump her. Just give her the time she needs, while you're actively pursuing other chicks and building a nice rotation. It seems to me that you click better OUTSIDE the bedroom than inside, so keep her outside. You're not all-in sexually with her, so that's telling. Friendzone her, and if she doesn't want to continue in that capacity SHE can decide to move on.

[BigAlexBoss]

Very grateful for the replies so far guys, what a forum this is!

For the lolz I have attached a photo of her for your critical appreciation.

She has jumped my slut alarm a few times already - though ostensibly a "good girl", engineering degree, police man father, has to look after her health so no drinking or smoking, she: Insisted I raw dog her the first bang (did it on the 2nd, my mistake), goes on about how sex and regular orgasm is such an important thing to her in a relationship (Shes on an SSRI which she doesnt realise makes orgasm twice as difficult - sometimes I have deliberately not brought her back to my place to avoid the epic marathon I would need to attempt to bring her off), she has regularly intimited she wants to be banged with hard force. Her attitude to sex is more like that of a man than a woman.

A quick bit of theorising:

It is truly staggering how far feminism and more women than men going to universities has f***** gender dynamics.

The chick is 27, by my eye a HB5.5, type 1 diabetic, on an ssri for workplace stress, lives with her parents, no job at the moment and in spain with 22% unemployment, no job in the near future.

I am 32, objectively a 7 looks wise, workout at the gym, live and own my own luxury flat in the city centre, passive rental income from my own house in London, work part time with london investment banks and in the afternoons teach English. Rapidly reforming former beta who in his 20s prioritised studying hard, a tough career in finance and amassing real estate (all with the societal aim of starting a family eventually) and now finds hes behind in the game. I'msure my story has been repeated far and wide across the manosphere.

Clearly for a large % of post feminist western woman: consistent alpha tingling >>>> career, real estate, money in the bank and a sorted life.

[BigAlexBoss]

I will be getting back to you boys with updates on the situation.

Updates:

First text pre forum advice, delivered 3 hours after she txt flakes: "Sorry I'm in the middle of a videoconference with london. I'll give you a ring this afternoon and we can talk about what you're thinking and whats up" F***** standard AFC response.

Second text post forum advice, 4 hours after the last txt: "As you cancelled late, I'm going out tonight - chat later." Small hint that she got to me with this text, but I felt I had to recover post the initial AFC mistake. Plan now is to sit back and make 0 contact.

Have a mind to do a MR XY and get her back for a bang, do a GMAC choke on her and then tell her to get her clothes and get the fuck out of my flat (middle of the night) I want to sleep.

[Caligula]

You're way overthinking this.

Emech's response is the correct one. That's the only response that will send the hamster wheel spinning. A monosyllabic response and then nothing. Don't give her the satisfaction of having a 'talk' - you can't win that way.

In any case don't sweat it, you can do better.

[Alpha]

Here is the golden rule of text game, handed down by Roissy from the Gods of Pussy:

When in doubt about what to text, text "gay" and nothing else.

"I can't make it to night blah blah I need to rethink our relationship blah blah blah"

4hrs later - "gay"


Then ignore her for a week or two.

The second rule of game (the first being, don't take advice about women from women) is, When in doubt about what to say, say nothing.

I say, where you're at right now, ignore her. And next time, wait for the advice before texting back - chances are the prolonged silence will help you anyway.

Also, props for the russian in rotation.

[Mikev75]

Lady looks like a dude.

[Smitty]

(01-06-2012 04:09 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

HB5.5 just sent me a text message flaking on our dinner date tonight, saying " blah blah I need to rethink our relationship, sorry blah blah."

Text her back "Good!" and nothing else. It's Friday so go out and meet some sluts and don't text or take her calls for a few days.

You can post whatever she sends back here but don't call or text after that.

For the love of god, listen to el mech. You're doing the right thing by trying to get hold of your situation, but as caligula said, you're over thinking it. Forget about all the 'game' terms and acronyms (AFC and all that shit)...the only strategy you need to know is that you need to get out there and find new pussy. And do it now! The more time you spend without new pussy, the more you're going to think about her, and the more likely you are to do something stupid.

btw, she looks like a 12 year old boy, but her skinny body and ferocious appetite for sex makes her worth the bang. But remember, your purpose when fucking her is to be pleased, not to spend all your time trying to please her.

[Skyhigh]

(01-07-2012 05:49 AM)BigAlexBoss Wrote:  

Very grateful for the replies so far guys, what a forum this is!

For the lolz I have attached a photo of her for your critical appreciation.

She has jumped my slut alarm a few times already - though ostensibly a "good girl", engineering degree, police man father, has to look after her health so no drinking or smoking, she: Insisted I raw dog her the first bang (did it on the 2nd, my mistake), goes on about how sex and regular orgasm is such an important thing to her in a relationship (Shes on an SSRI which she doesnt realise makes orgasm twice as difficult - sometimes I have deliberately not brought her back to my place to avoid the epic marathon I would need to attempt to bring her off), she has regularly intimited she wants to be banged with hard force. Her attitude to sex is more like that of a man than a woman.

A quick bit of theorising:

It is truly staggering how far feminism and more women than men going to universities has f***** gender dynamics.

The chick is 27, by my eye a HB5.5, type 1 diabetic, on an ssri for workplace stress, lives with her parents, no job at the moment and in spain with 22% unemployment, no job in the near future.

I am 32, objectively a 7 looks wise, workout at the gym, live and own my own luxury flat in the city centre, passive rental income from my own house in London, work part time with london investment banks and in the afternoons teach English. Rapidly reforming former beta who in his 20s prioritised studying hard, a tough career in finance and amassing real estate (all with the societal aim of starting a family eventually) and now finds hes behind in the game. I'msure my story has been repeated far and wide across the manosphere.

Clearly for a large % of post feminist western woman: consistent alpha tingling >>>> career, real estate, money in the bank and a sorted life.

No offense dude, but when I saw that pic, I was furious that you whited out her face only to realize like 10 seconds later that was her. With her short hair and skinny body, she looks like a boy like the guy above me said.

Are you located in Spain right now? If so, I guess I understand why you keep seeing her. It's not like Spain has a lot of options for you.

[Caligula]

(01-07-2012 10:19 AM)Alpha Wrote:  

Here is the golden rule of text game, handed down by Roissy from the Gods of Pussy:

When in doubt about what to text, text "gay" and nothing else.

"I can't make it to night blah blah I need to rethink our relationship blah blah blah"

4hrs later - "gay"


Then ignore her for a week or two.

The second rule of game (the first being, don't take advice about women from women) is, When in doubt about what to say, say nothing.

I say, where you're at right now, ignore her. And next time, wait for the advice before texting back - chances are the prolonged silence will help you anyway.

Also, props for the russian in rotation.

THIS!

These three letters have turned around many a tricky situation for me.

Make sure you have the aloof frame to go with it.

[haywire]

Or just tell her "Sure lets take a break. Call me back once you've grown your hair longer"

[misterstir]

Sounds to me like she is thinking about cutting you off and trying to determine if your worth her time. She probably realized she has 5 more good years left to attract half decent men and maybe doesn't want to waste it on you who she thinks might be cheating (I don't mean this as an insult to you just showing you her mind frame)

Not too much you can do, but it depends what YOU want.

Anyhow the best answers are to send one word messages like good or I understand. You have nothing to gain by messaging/conversations with someone who might not even like you.

My analysis is the break is just a variation of I need space = breaking up with you in the "nice way" where she will slowly cut off contact with you unless she can't find nothing better. Other posters are right in that you should be on the prowl for other women, you have nothing really to gain by getting oneitis over this girl. IME the more a girl thinks you are dependent on her the more likely she is to dump/get rid of you. Ironically the advice I heard Patti Stanger give to women in a situation where a man doesn't make a decision is to go out and get lots of men to force him to make a decision - ironically she never says that to a man though.

[BigAlexBoss]

Props for all the advice...

Skyhigh: "No offense dude, but when I saw that pic, I was furious that you whited out her face only to realize like 10 seconds later that was her. With her short hair and skinny body, she looks like a boy like the guy above me said." - made me ROFL, I even called her my "choir boy" once when she was sleeping over in one of my T-Shirts - which made me feel like a pedo.

Being long on theory, short on practice, I am almost certainly guilty of over gaming her (Roissy has a good post on this if I remember) with the hints about other possible chicks, withholding too much affection (she complained I didnt kiss her enough etc). New to the application of the theory, I have been deploying my game arsenal without sufficient social calibration and appreciation of dealing with HB5 and 6s. They may only need a bit of light pistol whipping while I've been deploying the Tomahawks.

I can confirm for those suspecting dumpster diving that with makeup on, heels and a tight dress to accentuate her curves, she is very presentable. However in the spirit of full disclosure, when trying to bust a second nut in her doggy style, I found myself having to imagine megan fox on the end of my tent pole to get the job done, always a bad sign

correction on previous post: Choke move erroneously credited - read it on Danger&Play (great blog)

[iknowexactly]

1) Anything but "Yes" is bullshit/excuses/in effect , "no."

2) One of Roosh's best "The only game, is numbers game."

I just thought of calling a flake today ( a flake is ANY girl who does not tell you unequivocally-- though maybe not in so many words-- "Please fuck me, thank you very much.) then realized I blew her number away-- good for me.

"Love is the illusion one woman is significantly different than another." They're not. EXCEPT some women are willing to fuck, and this one's not. THAT's a significant difference, and don't let chick smokescreen bullshit obscure what's relevant.