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A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012
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A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

This thread has become so weird in so many ways. It's kind of like wanna-be philospher kings debating the relative merits of getting ass. I'll put in my 2c just because I think there's some bad information here... or rather, stuff I strongly disagree with.

Staying in the game will take a mental toll on you. Guess what? Being married takes a toll on you. Being an omega who is neither married nor banging chicks would take a toll on you. If all options take a toll on you, what's the point of criticizing any specific option? Given all three options, I'd rather be fucking and chucking multiple different chicks, consequences be damned. Chicks have so many options these days, that I'm sure she'll find her white knight someday if she wants him. I'm a strong believer in doing what you want. If you're facing or will face an existential crisis that won't go away, maybe this is not what you really want. And that's cool. The Game will attract new players to replace you; it will not or does not judge. The Game will welcome you back once you've experienced a bad marriage/relationship, or a couple.

I refuse to be the better man with women. Just about most ethical philosophies would back up this view about not letting yourself be the mark. Women have learned to manipulate men since they were kids. Women have gamed me before I started to game them. Since then, it's always been the same. They want something from you. Sometimes they want validation, freebies, a visa, a hot piece of ass, a boyfriend, a potential husband, etc., etc. Manipulation is two sides of the same coin. Part of the problem is that a lot of you guys are so used to chasing, so you only see one side of that coin and look at through one lens. Guys who've gone to 3rd World countries know what I'm talking about.

I also think Samseau is misguided on a few of his points. The most twisted womanizers are most successful with the most twisted group of women. The best G's are the ones who give them that brief moment of exhileration and ecstasy in an otherwise shitty and boring life. The best G's are the ones who attract women with no effort and help her connect with that horny/feminine side buried deep inside her battle armor. The best G's are the ones they want to keep, but know they can only have temporarily. That's the way it goes. Women know the deal. They are not as stupid as you think they are. In many ways, they're much smarter about this stuff than most men.
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#52

A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

Quote: (01-05-2012 09:09 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-05-2012 04:05 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

So you'd rather fuck over a guy (by fucking his wife) than fuck over a girl.

If you want to get moralistic, both are shitty and make you a bad person.

Have you ever fucked a girl even though she said she had a boyfriend? If you have, don't talk to me about morals.

LOL. Nice try. You're the one moralizing, and you're the one who has been exposed as an insufferable hypocrite.

I will bang married women, no thing.

I also won't lecture guys about "lying" to women.

Judge not lest ye be judge, homie.
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#53

A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

Quote: (01-06-2012 03:19 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Quote: (01-05-2012 09:09 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-05-2012 04:05 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

So you'd rather fuck over a guy (by fucking his wife) than fuck over a girl.

If you want to get moralistic, both are shitty and make you a bad person.

Have you ever fucked a girl even though she said she had a boyfriend? If you have, don't talk to me about morals.

LOL. Nice try. You're the one moralizing, and you're the one who has been exposed as an insufferable hypocrite.

I will bang married women, no thing.

I also won't lecture guys about "lying" to women.

Judge not lest ye be judge, homie.

So I take it the answer is yes? Why am I not surprised.

"But...but...I have a boyfriend!" "I know baby...but spread your legs for me and you will have a real man."


Welcome to the club, pal...and you don't even need a membership card. Face it -- you, like every gamer, maneuvers your dick into the love canal using the "pretty lies" women tell themselves.

But unlike you, I don't judge my fellow gamers when it comes to banging women.
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A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

Quote: (01-06-2012 01:36 AM)scorpio Wrote:  

The best G's are the ones who give them that brief moment of exhileration and ecstasy in an otherwise shitty and boring life. The best G's are the ones who attract women with no effort and help her connect with that horny/feminine side buried deep inside her battle armor. The best G's are the ones they want to keep, but know they can only have temporarily. That's the way it goes. Women know the deal. They are not as stupid as you think they are. In many ways, they're much smarter about this stuff than most men.

Abso-fucking-lutely.

Couldn't have said it better myself.
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A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

Quote: (01-06-2012 05:33 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-06-2012 03:19 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

Quote: (01-05-2012 09:09 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-05-2012 04:05 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

So you'd rather fuck over a guy (by fucking his wife) than fuck over a girl.

If you want to get moralistic, both are shitty and make you a bad person.

Have you ever fucked a girl even though she said she had a boyfriend? If you have, don't talk to me about morals.

LOL. Nice try. You're the one moralizing, and you're the one who has been exposed as an insufferable hypocrite.

I will bang married women, no thing.

I also won't lecture guys about "lying" to women.

Judge not lest ye be judge, homie.

So I take it the answer is yes? Why am I not surprised.

"But...but...I have a boyfriend!" "I know baby...but spread your legs for me and you will have a real man."


Welcome to the club, pal...and you don't even need a membership card. Face it -- you, like every gamer, maneuvers your dick into the love canal using the "pretty lies" women tell themselves.

But unlike you, I don't judge my fellow gamers when it comes to banging women.
Shit! That little stuff doesn't even scratch the surface. Marriage, boyfriend, lies are nothing. Last two weeks. Married girl sleeps here three times, another one gets busted on a date with me, another one is setting up a meet with me and puts me on hold to talk with her husband about whats for dinner from the car, Two girls messaging me online hiding behind fake profile pics because their married. Lies? I tell black girls I'm mulatto and the list goes on. Who cares?
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A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

I really don't think one can debate 'morality' or (whatever the fuck that is anyway?) when you get balls deep, pardon the pun, into the game.

It opens your mind to so many truths and makes you see reality, that your concepts of so-called morality that society made you believe are now worthless. Plus ethics and morality are such subjective topics that we could talk all day about them.

My take: do the things you enjoy doing, and it's for you to judge whether what you're doing is 'right' or 'wrong' because only you can truly interpret what it means to you.

Fuck what anyone else thinks.
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A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

Quote: (01-06-2012 05:44 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Shit! That little stuff doesn't even scratch the surface. Marriage, boyfriend, lies are nothing. Last two weeks. Married girl sleeps here three times, another one gets busted on a date with me, another one is setting up a meet with me and puts me on hold to talk with her husband about whats for dinner from the car, Two girls messaging me online hiding behind fake profile pics because their married. Lies? I tell black girls I'm mulatto and the list goes on. Who cares?

Damn!!! We are not worthy!! We are not worthy!!
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A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

Assume this: Every girl you fuck has a dude somewhere who thinks he owns that pussy.

If you were to think or worry about that there would be nothing left for you to chase.
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A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

Quote: (01-06-2012 06:10 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-06-2012 05:44 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Shit! That little stuff doesn't even scratch the surface. Marriage, boyfriend, lies are nothing. Last two weeks. Married girl sleeps here three times, another one gets busted on a date with me, another one is setting up a meet with me and puts me on hold to talk with her husband about whats for dinner from the car, Two girls messaging me online hiding behind fake profile pics because their married. Lies? I tell black girls I'm mulatto and the list goes on. Who cares?

Damn!!! We are not worthy!! We are not worthy!!

Tenderman, I think you post some good stuff sometimes, but honestly why the pettiness?
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A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

Quote: (01-06-2012 06:14 PM)dk902 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-06-2012 06:10 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-06-2012 05:44 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Shit! That little stuff doesn't even scratch the surface. Marriage, boyfriend, lies are nothing. Last two weeks. Married girl sleeps here three times, another one gets busted on a date with me, another one is setting up a meet with me and puts me on hold to talk with her husband about whats for dinner from the car, Two girls messaging me online hiding behind fake profile pics because their married. Lies? I tell black girls I'm mulatto and the list goes on. Who cares?

Damn!!! We are not worthy!! We are not worthy!!

Tenderman, I think you post some good stuff sometimes, but honestly why the pettiness?

Oh, don't misunderstand..I admire the HELL out of the Mech!! Especially after I read that, when my admiration went to even HIGHER levels!!

That was a cry of admiration...not a diss or a piece of sarcasm.. Not at all!
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A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

Quote: (01-06-2012 07:01 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-06-2012 06:14 PM)dk902 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-06-2012 06:10 PM)tenderman100 Wrote:  

Quote: (01-06-2012 05:44 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Shit! That little stuff doesn't even scratch the surface. Marriage, boyfriend, lies are nothing. Last two weeks. Married girl sleeps here three times, another one gets busted on a date with me, another one is setting up a meet with me and puts me on hold to talk with her husband about whats for dinner from the car, Two girls messaging me online hiding behind fake profile pics because their married. Lies? I tell black girls I'm mulatto and the list goes on. Who cares?

Damn!!! We are not worthy!! We are not worthy!!

Tenderman, I think you post some good stuff sometimes, but honestly why the pettiness?

Oh, don't misunderstand..I admire the HELL out of the Mech!! Especially after I read that, when my admiration went to even HIGHER levels!!

That was a cry of admiration...not a diss or a piece of sarcasm.. Not at all!
True dat! I got it.
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A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

Quote: (01-06-2012 05:44 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Shit! That little stuff doesn't even scratch the surface. Marriage, boyfriend, lies are nothing. Last two weeks. Married girl sleeps here three times, another one gets busted on a date with me, another one is setting up a meet with me and puts me on hold to talk with her husband about whats for dinner from the car, Two girls messaging me online hiding behind fake profile pics because their married. Lies? I tell black girls I'm mulatto and the list goes on. Who cares?

I don't.

Chicken tender was the guy going on about not lying to women, and how people who lie to women aren't good people.

All this moralizing is silly.
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A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

Quote: (01-06-2012 06:11 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Assume this: Every girl you fuck has a dude somewhere who thinks he owns that pussy.

If you were to think or worry about that there would be nothing left for you to chase.


This is true. I own all the pussy out there. You guys owe me money for fucking all those dirty little hamsters too. I'll email my paypal account so ya'll can pay up!
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A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

Quote: (01-02-2012 01:39 AM)CJ Wrote:  

I hope the concepts listed below will serve as reminders to all of us in the coming year.


1. Anytime I've asked a question here about a specific girl that I hadn't banged yet, I didn't end up banging her.

- By no means am I advocating not using the vast resources and knowledge available on this forum, but generally speaking if you can't solve the puzzle of unlocking her pussy yourself, you're not going to succeed this time. Identify where you went wrong and adjust in the future.


2. Never hastily dismiss anyone's advice.

- Especially from some of the vets on this site. Something that may seem silly to you, might actually work if you try it. Myself, I thought Roosh's "what if I drugged your drink" routine was just too sketchy to work, but I trust his advice so much, that I used it. It worked.


3. Never stop grinding.

- You might be up to your elbows in pussy and prospects, feeling like God's gift to women, you can't do anything wrong and everything you've studied about game has come together. Then suddenly a few weeks later, you can't get anyone to bang and you're back at square one, what happened? You got lazy, you stopped approaching like a machine and relied on your fuck buddies to satisfy your hunger, rather than that of new pussy, as-yet undiscovered by your dick.


4. If you're not in the mood, don't go out.

- Seems simple enough, but there's times I'd force myself to go out. You can guess how often I got laid on those nights. If you're not in a social mood, there's really no sense in wasting money at the bar. Your approaches (if you even make any that night) will be half-assed and do you no favors. Instead, stay in and either study game or just do something completely unrelated.


5. Don't waste time at a crappy venue.

- If you're just out drinking with the boys, trying to have a good time it doesn't matter where you go. However, if you are serious about trying to get some pussy you need to be in the right venue. If there's a lack of girls, you're getting rejected too much, the girls all seem to have super bitch shields up, or for any other reason the vibe just sucks, you need to leave as quickly as possible and move to another venue. Why waste your time, working harder in the hopes that you'll make something happen when the deck is already stacked against you.


6. It doesn't matter what your opener is.

- So many guys get caught up on not knowing what to say to 'break the ice', honestly it really doesn't matter. Believe me, I've said the craziest things and still got girls to bang me, I've also used lines that worked really well on one girl, and then got me a cold shoulder with the next. Hell, I'd bet many 'great pick up lines' aren't even really heard in full, but if you're giving off a good vibe, and the girl thinks you might be interesting, she'll give you a couple minutes. That being said, it's what you say immediately after your opener, when you have her full attention for a moment, that really counts.


7. The more I go out, the more I prefer to go out alone.

- Years ago I posted a topic asking for advice on going out 'dolo'. Truth be told, it's all the confidence you have in your game and in yourself. You'll know when you're ready. Maybe if I had more reliable wings I'd think otherwise, but these days I really don't want any slapdick friend of mine saying or doing something stupid, and creating another unnecessary obstacle between me and getting a bang. I know Roosh posted a blog about this, and now I fully understand. When I go out with friends, I often have to distance myself from them for awhile, and then go make my approaches so they don't try to weasel in on the action.


8. Never turn down a sure thing.

- I know this has been said before, but I bring it up again because so many guys pass on the sure thing early in the night because they think they can do better, or maybe they think they can get more numbers. To them I ask how many times they've had sex with a phone number? Even if you think you have a shot with the best looking girl in the place, if you have a sure thing, and she's mildly attractive, you owe it to your dick to bang her. There's not a single sure thing that I lost out on in 2011 that my penis wasn't angry at me for not banging, if for nothing else than the new experience.


9. After you bang a girl, don't hesitate to cut her loose.

- With the type of girls I try to bang, generally there isn't time to play all the typical games that women normally do. I always go for the one night stand, because it's just easier to prey upon the impulsive nature of women. So, many of the games that these girls want to play have to wait until after sex. As soon as they start, just ignore her. I honestly see no reason to put up with any shit from a girl you've already banged. You've already won, you have your notch, move on without thinking twice. For the love of God, don't get attached no matter how good she was in bed.


10. Your friends don't want to be like us.

- As hard it that sounds to believe, most guys don't want to get into game. Sure every man (at least every real one) wants to sleep around a bit, but for various reasons most guys don't have the dedication required to get into game. When you try to 'help' or 'fix' a friend that is either struggling with women, or the bitch in his relationship, you're just wasting your time. While it may not seem logical to you, your friends will always rationalize the situation they're in. If they really want to learn about game from you, they'll ask. Make them show that minimal amount of interest and dedication, regardless of how excited you are to show off your skills.


11. Staying in the game will eventually take a mental toll on you.

- I'm not saying this is good, nor bad, but I'm just stating a fact, especially for any guys that are just getting into this. You become colder, you care less about anyone's feelings (not just women), and you may become unable to develop deep, "meaningful" relationships with anyone. Even if you got into game to meet "the one" if you go through enough women to get to her, you'll never see her like you would have had you met her at the start. Not that that's a bad thing, because in all your relationships you'll always have the upper hand. My brother warned me about this years ago, and now I see what he meant. This is the price you will eventually pay, it is a fair trade-off in my opinion though.


12. No girl is unapproachable.

- At least not at the college and dive bars I frequent. The girl you think is the best looking one in the bar, should be the first one you approach, and if you're not comfortable with that, then your inner game still needs work. Someone is banging that girl, why shouldn't it be you? Unless her boyfriend/husband is right there, and you know they're together for sure (they're kissing, holding hands, wearing rings), then you owe it to not just your dick, but to your ego to go and approach that girl.

Nice post. I wanna throw my 2 cents in here....

1. Yep, if you had to ask the question, you probably already blew it, and we all know, once you blow it, you're most likely not gonna get it back.

2. I've had to learn this the hard way many times. I would read something one of the big dogs would right and dismiss it only to find out later on they were probably right. At the same time, one person's advice doesn't work for everyone. I guess it just depends on your personality. But more times than not, you're gonna find that a lot of things that Roosh or Mixx say may seem a little far fetched, only to find out it works.

3. Yep, damn dry spells. I find myself getting unmotivated too often, especially here in Miami, when I strike out too many times and just feel like saying fuck it. You can't do that though, you gotta perservere.

4. Only time I'm gonna go out if I'm not in the mood isn't going to be to pick up women, it's gonna be to go out and try and cheer up with my boys.

5. I go out a lot just to have fun with friends, but when I'm trying to pick up, if the place sucks I try and leave. This doesn't always work though depending on your logistics. In MIA, you have a hook up at a spot, you're kinda stuck there. Maybe you can change to another spot and pay that $20-30 cover, but once you pay that cover, you're not trying to go somewhere else and pay another $20-30. Not to mention if you don't have a car it can be real hard getting place to place, and if you're riding with friends, you have to convince them. In Aspen, everything is within walking distance and there are no covers. If I don't feel a spot, it takes me 3 minutes to walk to the next.

6. True that. One of my favorite openers is making eye contact and immediately walking up to the girl and saying, "What's your name?" So simple, yet works like a charm. I remember gaming with Roosh in Vitoria and one of his openers was, "It's really cold in here, I wish I would have brought my sweater." Or something to that extent. As long as you don't say something totally retarded, you it shouldn't matter much what your opener is.

7. Personally I like to go out with friends more than rolling dolo. But once I get to a spot or find a girl I want, I'll break away from my friends and hit it up dolo, or if it's a group I'll introduce my friend after talking for a minute or two. Depending on where you are it can be hard to find 2 or 3 cute DTF girls together. My friend and I had a real hard time finding 2 cuties together that seemed down in Aspen. We'd always have to end up saying, "Sorry dude, I see the one I want and she's alone, you're on your own."

8. Dude, I've known this, but I've always taken it for granted. This last trip I took it bit me in the ass, but actually ended up working out, though it shouldn't have. I was at a party and a girl walked if that I wanted to hook up with. She came in with some other Brazilian girls, one of which I knew she wasn't good friends with and also happened to be real cute. I'm gonna call her girl b. I introduce myself to girl b, we talk for maybe 5 minutes and I go to leave and she gives me this look like she wants to follow me, so I say, "Vem!" (Come). She keeps following me around, this one would have been easy. But I had my mind set on hooking up with girl a, so I start talking with her and the other girl gets angry and leaves. I end up going to girl a's house, but she starts giving me a bitchy attitude and I get nothing. Should have just gone with the sure thing with girl b. I still ended up pulling girls a and b a couple days later though, but that shouldn't have happened. I'd say it was an exception to the rule. From now on, I'll never turn down a sure thing.

9. I agree with this unless it's a girl you're really into and want a LTR with, but even then you still have to act this way, like you don't care. Start acting like she's your everything, and believe that you'll be nothing to her in a couple months time.

10. True

11. Damn it's taken its mental toll on me here in MIA. I went from slaying all the time to being lucky to get one bang a month.

12. This is basically what got me into gaming. I had an Argi girl that I would have never dreamed of approaching come up and approach me. Before this I was just too shy. I didn't have a lot of confidence. All my friends growing up got the nice pussy, but for some reason I just didn't get it often, even though I hung out with all the dudes that did. I was just too shy. I had girls that liked me, but I either didn't act on it or blew it after a month or two. Finally I started dating this Argi girl and realized, "If I can have this girl, I can have any girl." I started approaching much more and it boosted my confidence. I went from 5 years ago, never approaching women and only hooking up with girls I met in my friend circle, to 3 years later being in Brazil and kissing a girl within 30 seconds of meeting her without even knowing her name.

I like this post dude, +1 from me.
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A dozen things I've learned from RVF that I will be using in 2012

Quote: (01-06-2012 05:44 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Shit! That little stuff doesn't even scratch the surface. Marriage, boyfriend, lies are nothing. Last two weeks. Married girl sleeps here three times, another one gets busted on a date with me, another one is setting up a meet with me and puts me on hold to talk with her husband about whats for dinner from the car, Two girls messaging me online hiding behind fake profile pics because their married. Lies? I tell black girls I'm mulatto and the list goes on. Who cares?

It's extremely easy to rationalize morals when there's no consequences to it; look at that thread a few down, 'Oh, I definitely would never fuck a friend's sister! That's a violation of the code!', but then put yourself in the shoes; suppose your best buddys' sister looked like this, was firmly in the legal age and she came on to you...will your morals stand up then? No, your dick will take over, no matter how stocked your stable is.

Like a girl who says 'Eww! I'd never fuck a guy for money!', but then one day some rich playboy offers her 2G for an hour and a half in bed. Will the average pretty American girl say 'No! I have my morals and they're more important than making rent!' or 'Sure, why not?'

We all know the answer.

What about the uptight, status-hungry American girl who says 'Eww! I'd never fuck a guy that didn't have a job!' but then later rolls out of the bed of a guy that was unemployed, but also charming, cocky and attractive after a few drinks?

My point? Your morals are massively fluid and relative. Hard and fast rules serve no one, and in fact will often hold you back.
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