[Roosh]

In part of a forum experiment to weed out trolls and low-value members, registration is only open on the first day of the month. This means we will have a batch of new members tomorrow.

Let's be open minded and patient with them. Don't be so quick to call them a newb or a troll. I think each new member should have the benefit of the doubt, even if it includes showing him how to use the search function. If you suspect a member is a troll, click the Report button instead of taking the thread off topic.

The new class is encouraged to post an introduction in the new member thread.

[hunter7]

I´m hoping for a lot of datasheets in the next weeks

[Tuthmosis]

My suspicion (based on the type of trolling and low-quality posts that were showing up before the institution of this new practice) is that, going forward, it's going to be important for us to be aware of the differences between simple newbie-ism and obsessive one-ism trolling. The number of guys asking for advice on one girl has been on the rise, and we have to differentiate between those who are simply just coming out of the beta shell and guys that are just trying to draw people into their repetitive maelstrom of one-ism. A wait-and-see approach, as you've recommended, is absolutely the right tack.

But I've also noticed that guys are quick to answer incomplete or vague questions in low-quality threads rather than ask for more detail and smoke out any potential trolling without ever having to "allege it."

I actually did a write-up on what I think this newest type of troll, but don't know if it hits on all the points.

(12-28-2011 05:38 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

Time for an update of the troll list:

One-ism Troll*
There's a fine line between seeking advice on a certain type of situation you encountered as a result of a particular girl, and simply seeking advice for one particular girl. The former is just part of the process of learning game--a process we all have gone, and continue to go, through--the former is often a One-ism Troll. Not only does this troll start several threads about the same exact girl, he nick-picks and nay-says all of the responses he gets with "but" and "what-if" statements and other provisos, all with the sole aim of extending the discussion about his fantasy girl--who may or may not even exist. Once some of the guys he's managed to lure into his obsessive vortex call him out on his trolling, he'll often concede that he's "just being paranoid" or hides behind newbie status, but proceeds as usual. Like other insecurity-based trolling (e.g., race trolls), one-ism trolls are quite plausibly well-intentioned newbies, but given their drain on forum resources and the equally plausible likelihood that they're simply trolling, they need to be dispensed with surgically.

*Sometimes subtle. Not to be confused with simple, permissible newbie-ism.

Fiction-Writer Troll**
A seemingly competent, normal member of the community whose contributions are just a little too far-fetched. We've all done things and been in situations that stretch the boundaries of plausibility, but Fiction Troll's narratives go just a little further--displaying odd incongruities or elaborate literary devices that, upon close examination, smell obviously fabricated. What's more, they've often compiled little or no credibility on the board (through rep or a long history of posts) for their stories to be actually believable. The dead-giveaways tend to be bragadocious threads that trumpet his "alpha" cred or ultra-polished Dear-Journal threads that read like Skinimax-like voice-overs. The combination of a group of men whose lifestlyes are predicated on continual, impressive conquests--and the ease of stretching the truth behind the anonymity curtain of the Internet--makes small amounts of fish-story trolling almost inevitable. But egregious cases of outright lying, that take away from the mission of the forum, need to be called out.

**Allege with caution.

   

[Parlay44]

I don't think the one-ism thing is necessarily so bad. Some guys just need to be walked through the process once or twice before it sinks in. Maybe a separate one-ism section under game
ewbie. I actually enjoying reading the one-isms.

[Tuthmosis]

(12-31-2011 03:17 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I don't think the one-ism thing is necessarily so bad. Some guys just need to be walked through the process once or twice before it sinks in. Maybe a separate one-ism section under game
ewbie. I actually enjoying reading the one-isms.

I agree, though I do think there's a point where it crosses into subtle trolling (as evidenced in the examples I highlighted above).

[Dash Global]

would love to see some new guys coming out swinging with some nice data sheets!

[Parlay44]

(12-31-2011 03:28 PM)Dash Global Wrote:  

would love to see some new guys coming out swinging with some nice data sheets!

GameData Sheets section would be cool

[Roosh]

(12-31-2011 03:17 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I don't think the one-ism thing is necessarily so bad.

But it also shows they didn't read the forum FAQ that is up top.

[Parlay44]

(12-31-2011 04:25 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

(12-31-2011 03:17 PM)Parlay44 Wrote:  

I don't think the one-ism thing is necessarily so bad.

But it also shows they didn't read the forum FAQ that is up top.

You can make newbies click through the FAQ page until they get to 100 posts. It's annoying but it might help.

Cookies also never expire. Anytime I go to the page I'm still logged in. You can make newbies log in everyday and show them the FAQ page. Then click ok to continue.