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(12-17-2011 12:45 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 04:16 AM)PseudoExpert Wrote:  

Guys,you should calm down.Do you think Kobe gives a fuck whether he has 100 or 200 mil ?

Big difference between those figures bro. You should read this article from an investment manager which breaks down wealth within the top 1%. Not as easy as you may think.

http://www2.ucsc.edu/whorulesamerica/pow...nager.html

Great article, just read the whole thing. Probably best I have read on income distribution.

[speakeasy]

(12-17-2011 04:16 AM)PseudoExpert Wrote:  

Guys,you should calm down.Do you think Kobe gives a fuck whether he has 100 or 200 mil ?How would that make any difference in his life?I

I'm not worried about Kobe, he'll be fine. What angers me however is that a woman can walk away with half a man's treasure while having contributed nothing to the pot. I'm not saying she should get nothing. They have kids, so he has to make sure the kids are well taken care of and the mother can provide a decent living for them during the time she has custody. That I understand. But why she deserves a hundred million dollars is beyond explanation. Same with Tiger Woods. I don't see any justice in letting her walk away with half a billion dollars that she did nothing whatsoever to earn. It's not like they ran a business as co-partners and she's just trying to get her fair share. Divorce settlements are about punishing men, not fairly compensating women. Now Kobe will have to see her next boyfriend/husband living in a house that he bought.

[Vicious]

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Same with Tiger woods.

Tiger fucked up. I don't think we should confuse these two cases. I have full sympathy for Kobe but Tiger got sloppy and gave women everywhere ammo against men.

[MiXX]

(12-17-2011 02:34 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

It's not like they ran a business as co-partners and she's just trying to get her fair share.

Actually, marriage is a partnership in the eyes of the law. A legal partnership in the business of "life", just like any other partnership in any business.

If your partner was lazy, had no talents, and added no value, yet you still took her on as a partner in life that's the mans fault...not the courts. This is what guys DO NOT GET!!!

Mixx

[DonovanVC]

lol this is hilarious, really.

kobe always struck me as one of the smarter athletes, very eloquent and not just a jock. an international baller who can speak italian too.

but he was such an idiot, he couldn't even arrange a pre-nupt?

guess i was wrong.

now his town goin get taken over by CP3 and em boys too. haha

[rudebwoy]

A pre-nup means nothing, if she has a good lawyer they can always fight that. In the state of California the woman will get 50% no matter what, so probably explains why he did not have one to begin with.

Don't understand why people are so harsh on him and Tiger, they are only human off the court.

The thing that did bug me about Kobe when he got into trouble the first time, is the amount of money he spent on his wife to say he was sorry.

[Brian]

(12-17-2011 03:13 PM)DonovanVC Wrote:  

lol this is hilarious, really.

kobe always struck me as one of the smarter athletes, very eloquent and not just a jock. an international baller who can speak italian too.

but he was such an idiot, he couldn't even arrange a pre-nupt?

guess i was wrong.

now his town goin get taken over by CP3 and em boys too. haha

youth...he was only 21 or 22 and fell for the chick. its easy to say whats right or not in hindsight and with experience but he was young and in love

[Hencredible Casanova]

(12-17-2011 01:09 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Superstar athletes/celebrities have always been alpha men in their respective field, but EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEM HAS BEEN A BETA BITCH IN THE PRESENCE OF A WOMAN!!:

JORDAN, TYSON, BRYANT, HUMPHRIES, IRVING, DIDDY, NAZ......I CAN GO ON ALL DAY DROPPING NAMES!!



Mixx

Jay-Z is the exception. He's the ultimate alpha male rapper. Ended up marrying a chick who brought just as much, if not more, to the table.

[Timoteo]

The deal with most athletes is they marry chicks that only have the ambition to follow them to whatever city they end up in. Most of them have no real ambitions or plans for their own lives. They take care of the house and kids, and he provides. Some know he'll probably fuck around, and they're cool with it as long as she gets whatever she wants. Others think they DESERVE whatever they get for "enduring" his infidelities. Either way, they all think they're entitled to whatever they get. Even the chicks that do have their own careers will burn him for as much as they can, simply because the law allows it.

In her filing, Vanessa asked for joint custody of their daughters, and in Kobe's reply he asked for the same. Naturally, she's asked for spousal support, because her career was being his wife and taking care of the kids (though I'm sure she's had as much help as she wanted, whenever she wanted). They've apparently worked out much of the details of the divorce, so it's all paperwork and waiting until the judge stamps and grants the divorce officially. Kobe's infidelities aside, she's lived a charmed life. She landed a wealthy athlete at age 17, and was married to him by 19. She and her kids are SET FOR LIFE. She's got no real reason to be angry and keep his kids from him. She's probably just short of 30 and still looking good...she can probably land another rich/famous dude.

[worldwidetraveler]

(12-17-2011 04:39 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Either way, they all think they're entitled to whatever they get. Even the chicks that do have their own careers will burn him for as much as they can, simply because the law allows it.

Typical woman entitlement thinking.

[UrbanNerd]

(12-17-2011 04:15 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

Jay-Z is the exception. He's the ultimate alpha male rapper. Ended up marrying a chick who brought just as much, if not more, to the table.

Exactly. I preach this all the time.

[Tuthmosis]

(12-17-2011 03:01 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

Actually, marriage is a partnership in the eyes of the law. A legal partnership in the business of "life", just like any other partnership in any business.

If your partner was lazy, had no talents, and added no value, yet you still took her on as a partner in life that's the mans fault...not the courts. This is what guys DO NOT GET!!!

My sentiments exactly. The shocking part is that guys still buy into the love myth about marriage. This shit is business. Men are expected to think in romantic terms, but when the divorce comes around, it's okay for women to "protect their interests." Treat that shit like a business deal from jump street and you're cool. Of course, the best option is to never do it in the first place--as everyone keeps repeating ad naseum.

(12-17-2011 03:13 PM)DonovanVC Wrote:  

kobe always struck me as one of the smarter athletes, very eloquent and not just a jock. an international baller who can speak italian too.

Kobe never struck me as exceptionally smarter than anyone. He just seems less ghetto because he didn't hang out in the streets. Speaking Italian doesn't make a man smart.

(12-17-2011 04:10 PM)Brian Wrote:  

youth...he was only 21 or 22 and fell for the chick. its easy to say whats right or not in hindsight and with experience but he was young and in love

That's the thing. Kobe's precociousness is coming home to roost. It's cool to pretend to be older than everyone else but, in the end, he was just as immature as the typical kid his age.

[Riker]

(12-17-2011 03:01 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 02:34 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

It's not like they ran a business as co-partners and she's just trying to get her fair share.

Actually, marriage is a partnership in the eyes of the law. A legal partnership in the business of "life", just like any other partnership in any business.

If your partner was lazy, had no talents, and added no value, yet you still took her on as a partner in life that's the mans fault...not the courts. This is what guys DO NOT GET!!!

Mixx

I'm with mixx here. I don't get what people are so upset about. If you play by the rules of society and get married you're going to lose half your money. End of story. If you're parents die they leave you all their shit though you didn't earn it. Those are just the rules of the game.

Maybe people are upset because they like the idea of getting married but feel like the rules are stacked against them.

What do you think would have happened if he didn't want to get married but was willing to have kids with the girl and live the same life they have had all this time without getting married? You think the girl wouldn't have gone for it? You think society and family would have gave him constant shit where it would be unbearable?

He just shouldn't have gotten married and in my opinion the woman DESERVES every penny she gets. Yes I said it. The rules of the game says she does and he wasn't forced to play.

[Basil Ransom]

(12-17-2011 04:39 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

The deal with most athletes is they marry chicks that only have the ambition to follow them to whatever city they end up in. Most of them have no real ambitions or plans for their own lives. They take care of the house and kids, and he provides. Some know he'll probably fuck around, and they're cool with it as long as she gets whatever she wants. Others think they DESERVE whatever they get for "enduring" his infidelities. Either way, they all think they're entitled to whatever they get.

In the absence of divorce, plenty of guys like this arrangement - spend your life with one woman and let her spend most of your money in return for exclusive access to her and children by her. And I'm not criticizing them for it either.

(12-17-2011 04:39 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Even the chicks that do have their own careers will burn him for as much as they can, simply because the law allows it.

That's a pretty rational thing to do. If you're looking to make the most bank, and that's your only consideration, you don't leave money on the table, whether it's business or personal.

Here's a mockup of the calculation in her head:

Stay with Kobe: get to spend 80% of his fortune, say 80% of 200 mil = $160 mil.

Leave Kobe: Get half his fortune ($100 mil), plus the opportunity to shack up with another rich man or just sleep with other men.

She already has so much money from splitting, that if she values her 'freedom' and 'independence,' i.e. she doesn't love Kobe, then it's worth giving up future earnings and sure money (spending Kobe's fortune over time) for a little bit less and some freedom.

The problem is that Kobe agreed to it, like everyone else said. Kobe was stupid... But the default marriage agreement is unconscionable. So even if everyone had the freedom to write any sort of marriage agreement they want (which I don't think is the case, even with pre-nups), the default one is the most people end up using, and it's unconscionable.

We're probably better off having no default marriage contract at all. Instead, have the man and woman pick one out themselves, every single time, before getting married. That way, they both know what they're getting into, and are explicitly agreeing to it. There also wouldn't be the weight of the law behind a default option making it seem like "the norm." Without that legal backing, a new norm more favorable to men might emerge organically, as a function of supply and demand. Once forced to figure out what the fuck they're agreeing to, because now they have to write their own marriage contract, men write less forgiving marriage contracts, and women have no choice but to agree, if they still want to get married.

[speakeasy]

I must admit, I'm not very familiar with the mechanics of divorce law. If a woman divorces you, she automatically gets half the shit you accrued during the duration of your marriage, correct? But how long are you to pay her alimony? I take it child payments end at age 18, right? Or are you on the hook for them past 18 if they are going to college? Do you have to pay the woman alimony for the rest of her life? Or for a limited time period?

[alphaspiraton]

(12-17-2011 07:56 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I must admit, I'm not very familiar with the mechanics of divorce law. If a woman divorces you, she automatically gets half the shit you accrued during the duration of your marriage, correct? But how long are you to pay her alimony? I take it child payments end at age 18, right? Or are you on the hook for them past 18 if they are going to college? Do you have to pay the woman alimony for the rest of her life? Or for a limited time period?

Child support payments are made until the children reach the age of majority i.e 18. Alimony payments are until the last day her walking corpse plagues the Earth i.e forever. Sometimes if both parties agree to it you can make a lumpsum payment for alimony. This is however usually ridiculously higher than if youade the payments over time but offers a peace of mind when you don't see monthly payments going directly out of your bank account to a lizard that you had the audacity to say 'i do.'

[jordypip23]

The thought of all of this just makes me shudder. How did men get the raw end of the stick in America (in terms of marriage). Really sucks!

(12-17-2011 08:26 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 07:56 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

I must admit, I'm not very familiar with the mechanics of divorce law. If a woman divorces you, she automatically gets half the shit you accrued during the duration of your marriage, correct? But how long are you to pay her alimony? I take it child payments end at age 18, right? Or are you on the hook for them past 18 if they are going to college? Do you have to pay the woman alimony for the rest of her life? Or for a limited time period?

Child support payments are made until the children reach the age of majority i.e 18. Alimony payments are until the last day her walking corpse plagues the Earth i.e forever. Sometimes if both parties agree to it you can make a lumpsum payment for alimony. This is however usually ridiculously higher than if youade the payments over time but offers a peace of mind when you don't see monthly payments going directly out of your bank account to a lizard that you had the audacity to say 'i do.'

[Hencredible Casanova]

(12-17-2011 07:23 PM)Riker Wrote:  

I'm with mixx here. I don't get what people are so upset about. If you play by the rules of society and get married you're going to lose half your money. End of story. If you're parents die they leave you all their shit though you didn't earn it. Those are just the rules of the game.

Maybe people are upset because they like the idea of getting married but feel like the rules are stacked against them.

What do you think would have happened if he didn't want to get married but was willing to have kids with the girl and live the same life they have had all this time without getting married? You think the girl wouldn't have gone for it? You think society and family would have gave him constant shit where it would be unbearable?

He just shouldn't have gotten married and in my opinion the woman DESERVES every penny she gets. Yes I said it. The rules of the game says she does and he wasn't forced to play.

I think what's got people worked up about this is that there's such a lopsided discrepancy to what Kobe brought to table versus his wife, which is drastically different from the average couple. You would think that uber rich individuals--especially celebrities--would have certain protections afforded to them in these unique circumstances. It just strikes many people as being profoundly unfair that Kobe's unaccomplished wife is entitled to HALF of his wealth when she has brought virtually nothing to the marriage.

[speakeasy]

(12-17-2011 08:26 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

Alimony payments are until the last day her walking corpse plagues the Earth i.e forever.

That disgusts me. I don't know how in the hell they get away with this. What if she gets married again, does she still get payments for life?? If there is going to be alimony in addition to any child support, it should be for a limited about of time. A few years, giving her a chance to get job training to make up for the income or find a new husband.

[el mechanico]

I've seen this go down soo many times and it's the same deal over and over. I am in the pre-bang stage with two married women right now both of them are waiting for the right time to spring the divorce for maximum payout. The dialog has become so predictable that I could almost set up an automated phone message to chat with them. One chick is claiming her husband doesn't love her enough and the other said she saw his email and it was loaded with messages to craigslist girls. They want to get paid. The last one a month or two ago went into human resources at work and with a letter from her psyco doc doesn't have to work because she is so upset and gets paid leave.

What does she do with her time besides sucking my dick? Well she wakes up then talks shit about him for two hours with her friends and family then makes lunch dates with his friends and their wives to talk more shit after that she researches the list values of every nicknack they own. After that a call to her lawyer then she makes plans with her married girlfriends and tries to talk them into leaving their husbands as well and even to go as far to have me bring my single buddys to fuck them to seal the deal. She says "I don't deserve this! I'm a good girl El and you know that"..........Damn straight you are now go ahead and get in my room after you finish those pills and that line you left on my toilet. Fuck that dude! Who does he think he is cheating on you with a young hottie from work?

On another note my family law buddy just got married which shocked me. He said once that most girls didn't look to him for that because he would be a threat in a divorce. Still the dude is chasing poon.

[Timoteo]

(12-17-2011 08:58 PM)Hencredible Casanova Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 07:23 PM)Riker Wrote:  

I'm with mixx here. I don't get what people are so upset about. If you play by the rules of society and get married you're going to lose half your money. End of story. If you're parents die they leave you all their shit though you didn't earn it. Those are just the rules of the game.

Maybe people are upset because they like the idea of getting married but feel like the rules are stacked against them.

What do you think would have happened if he didn't want to get married but was willing to have kids with the girl and live the same life they have had all this time without getting married? You think the girl wouldn't have gone for it? You think society and family would have gave him constant shit where it would be unbearable?

He just shouldn't have gotten married and in my opinion the woman DESERVES every penny she gets. Yes I said it. The rules of the game says she does and he wasn't forced to play.

I think what's got people worked up about this is that there's such a lopsided discrepancy to what Kobe brought to table versus his wife, which is drastically different from the average couple. You would think that uber rich individuals--especially celebrities--would have certain protections afforded to them in these unique circumstances. It just strikes many people as being profoundly unfair that Kobe's unaccomplished wife is entitled to HALF of his wealth when she has brought virtually nothing to the marriage.

The real issue with Kobe/Vanessa is that she was basically a child bride. She's been taken care of her whole adult life, thus she's incapable of supporting herself. Not only must he support her, but the whole "supported in the manner in which she is accustomed" thing kicks in also. That's the deal when you marry a woman that is completely unaccomplished, as opposed to a career woman that maybe stopped working to raise a family, then went back to work. Vanessa could have gone to school on Kobe's dime and tried to do something that she could call her own, but NOPE. If a guy wants a housewife (and celeb wives aren't true "housewives") you know going in you're on the hook for her for life, or until she finds another sucker to marry her.

[Tuthmosis]

(12-17-2011 09:06 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

I've seen this go down soo many times and it's the same deal over and over. I am in the pre-bang stage with two married women right now both of them are waiting for the right time to spring the divorce for maximum payout. The dialog has become so predictable that I could almost set up an automated phone message to chat with them. One chick is claiming her husband doesn't love her enough and the other said she saw his email and it was loaded with messages to craigslist girls. They want to get paid. The last one a month or two ago went into human resources at work and with a letter from her psyco doc doesn't have to work because she is so upset and gets paid leave.

LOL, mech. These tramps are no good.

I've been playing this song in the background every time I read a post in this thread. It makes it more enjoyable.

Try it out!

[alphaspiraton]

(12-17-2011 09:06 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 08:26 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

Alimony payments are until the last day her walking corpse plagues the Earth i.e forever.

That disgusts me. I don't know how in the hell they get away with this. What if she gets married again, does she still get payments for life?? If there is going to be alimony in addition to any child support, it should be for a limited about of time. A few years, giving her a chance to get job training to make up for the income or find a new husband.

Permanent to the extent of:

Death of payer of alimony
Death of recipient of alimony
Remarriage of recipient of alimony

This is why you hear so often when a lizard wins the jackpot in a lawsuit she rarely remarries, so she can keep receiving alimony. Of course she might now be living with your friends and fucking them but it doesn't matter because the dough will keep coming in.

I used to tell myself that I wanted to live a single life until 40ish then settle down, bUt until the divorce laws don't drastically change single + fucking is the way to live.

[speakeasy]

(12-17-2011 09:22 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 09:06 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

(12-17-2011 08:26 PM)alphaspiraton Wrote:  

Alimony payments are until the last day her walking corpse plagues the Earth i.e forever.

That disgusts me. I don't know how in the hell they get away with this. What if she gets married again, does she still get payments for life?? If there is going to be alimony in addition to any child support, it should be for a limited about of time. A few years, giving her a chance to get job training to make up for the income or find a new husband.

Permanent to the extent of:

Death of payer of alimony
Death of recipient of alimony
Remarriage of recipient of alimony

This is why you hear so often when a lizard wins the jackpot in a lawsuit she rarely remarries, so she can keep receiving alimony. Of course she might now be living with your friends and fucking them but it doesn't matter because the dough will keep coming in.

I used to tell myself that I wanted to live a single life until 40ish then settle down, bUt until the divorce laws don't drastically change single + fucking is the way to live.

There is a 40 something milf I know with two teenage kids. Lives in a huge multimillion dollar home in a gated community. I know she was divorced but I don't know much about her ex-husband. I know the dude must've had serious money. She has what is basically a fully furnished mini-mansion with pool and jacuzzi and 3 cars. For a long time she never worked and just seemed to be constantly traveling for fun and having parties at her place, some of which I go to. Seems to be something of a female playa. Now she is working again in healthcare but if it weren't for what she was awarded, she'd probably be living in an apartment somewhere. She mentioned to me that she's never getting married again. Now I know why. Her ex is what's allowing her lavish lifestyle.