[The Fantasist]

(08-18-2012 01:01 PM)lotharius Wrote:  

I have been to Lviv, the quality is probably the lowest in the whole of Ukraine, and the girls are rather conservative and boring, nightlife is terrible, no decent restaurants etc. No reason to spend any time there

Interesting.

Where would you head if you were going to Ukraine for a couple of months?

[worldwidetraveler]

(08-18-2012 01:01 PM)lotharius Wrote:  

I have been to Lviv, the quality is probably the lowest in the whole of Ukraine, and the girls are rather conservative and boring, nightlife is terrible, no decent restaurants etc. No reason to spend any time there

Deb, why have you been living in Lviv for so long then?

[iknowexactly]

(08-18-2012 03:21 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-18-2012 01:01 PM)lotharius Wrote:  

I have been to Lviv, the quality is probably the lowest in the whole of Ukraine, and the girls are rather conservative and boring, nightlife is terrible, no decent restaurants etc. No reason to spend any time there

Interesting.

Where would you head if you were going to Ukraine for a couple of months?

Yes yes yes , low quality, VERY low temperatures in winter, crooked landlords ( beyond crooked, completely UNAWARE of what honesty/fairness IS) bad teeth, skin, stinking buses with coughing people.

Everyone should realize they can, if they will just MAN UP, find their special snowflake girl in Murka. I repudiate everything. I will be a good boy.

I hope that my honesty will be the ENGINE of my happiness and my SEARCH will reveal the truth until happiness CROWDS my life and I escape LOSERS.

[Greek kamaki]

Girls in Lviv look top.Actually they look exactly the same like girls in Krakow they are just on the thinner side.

[Greek kamaki]

(08-18-2012 03:21 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-18-2012 01:01 PM)lotharius Wrote:  

I have been to Lviv, the quality is probably the lowest in the whole of Ukraine, and the girls are rather conservative and boring, nightlife is terrible, no decent restaurants etc. No reason to spend any time there

Interesting.

Where would you head if you were going to Ukraine for a couple of months?

It is exactly the opposite.Western Ukrainian girls look top in Ukraine,they are the most easy going(similar to polish) and more interesting than eastern Ukrainian girls(western Ukrainian behaviour similar to polish but not so good conversationalists and a bit more on the hysterical side).Nightlife is so and so and there are few decent restaurants.(not bad cause you avoid expenses by not having to go to expensive restaurants).
Generally it is a very similar situation to Poland with the difference that you count 5 times more and the girls are 3 times poorer than in Poland.This means that I could appeal to the top 10% of female population even if I stayed only for one week while in Poland a foreigner generally gets average quality(50% of population) or slightly above average(25% of population).
Practically the hot girls I was dreaming of in Poland but could not have were available in Lvov.(though Poland as a whole has a bigger quantity meaning that at some time you get there hot girls as well).

[Greek kamaki]

This is what you see in Lvov(even polish guys get horny there.It is a place where Poles can pull easily cause they look better than Ukrainian guys and have more money).

[lotharius]

(08-19-2012 02:24 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(08-18-2012 03:21 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-18-2012 01:01 PM)lotharius Wrote:  

I have been to Lviv, the quality is probably the lowest in the whole of Ukraine, and the girls are rather conservative and boring, nightlife is terrible, no decent restaurants etc. No reason to spend any time there

Interesting.

Where would you head if you were going to Ukraine for a couple of months?

It is exactly the opposite.Western Ukrainian girls look top in Ukraine,they are the most easy going(similar to polish) and more interesting than eastern Ukrainian girls(western Ukrainian behaviour similar to polish but not so good conversationalists and a bit more on the hysterical side).Nightlife is so and so and there are few decent restaurants.(not bad cause you avoid expenses by not having to go to expensive restaurants).
Generally it is a very similar situation to Poland with the difference that you count 5 times more and the girls are 3 times poorer than in Poland.This means that I could appeal to the top 10% of female population even if I stayed only for one week while in Poland a foreigner generally gets average quality(50% of population) or slightly above average(25% of population).
Practically the hot girls I was dreaming of in Poland but could not have were available in Lvov.(though Poland as a whole has a bigger quantity meaning that at some time you get there hot girls as well).

With all due respect Kamaki, I was reading somewhere that you said Western Ukrainian chicks were taller than that of the east, when the opposite is clearly true.

If you were a super hot chick then why would you stay in Lvov? You would go to Kiev or overseas by 21 at the latest. There are clubs like Metro in Lvov, where the quality is only marginally better than a nightclub in England.

I'm in Southern Ukraine at the moment, and 9's come.as often as yellow Mashrutkas, in Lvov it would take you all day to spot one.

I will agree that they are less bitchy in Lvov though.

[lotharius]

(08-18-2012 05:59 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(08-18-2012 01:01 PM)lotharius Wrote:  

I have been to Lviv, the quality is probably the lowest in the whole of Ukraine, and the girls are rather conservative and boring, nightlife is terrible, no decent restaurants etc. No reason to spend any time there

Deb, why have you been living in Lviv for so long then?

I am not Deb, I recall him saying it was some sort of paradise in Lvov, maybe he hasn't been to many other Ukrainian cities. Ike has clearly spent a while there, his opinions resonate with my findings on the place

[Greek kamaki]

(08-19-2012 03:15 AM)lotharius Wrote:  

(08-19-2012 02:24 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

(08-18-2012 03:21 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(08-18-2012 01:01 PM)lotharius Wrote:  

I have been to Lviv, the quality is probably the lowest in the whole of Ukraine, and the girls are rather conservative and boring, nightlife is terrible, no decent restaurants etc. No reason to spend any time there

Interesting.

Where would you head if you were going to Ukraine for a couple of months?

It is exactly the opposite.Western Ukrainian girls look top in Ukraine,they are the most easy going(similar to polish) and more interesting than eastern Ukrainian girls(western Ukrainian behaviour similar to polish but not so good conversationalists and a bit more on the hysterical side).Nightlife is so and so and there are few decent restaurants.(not bad cause you avoid expenses by not having to go to expensive restaurants).
Generally it is a very similar situation to Poland with the difference that you count 5 times more and the girls are 3 times poorer than in Poland.This means that I could appeal to the top 10% of female population even if I stayed only for one week while in Poland a foreigner generally gets average quality(50% of population) or slightly above average(25% of population).
Practically the hot girls I was dreaming of in Poland but could not have were available in Lvov.(though Poland as a whole has a bigger quantity meaning that at some time you get there hot girls as well).

With all due respect Kamaki, I was reading somewhere that you said Western Ukrainian chicks were taller than that of the east, when the opposite is clearly true.

If you were a super hot chick then why would you stay in Lvov? You would go to Kiev or overseas by 21 at the latest. There are clubs like Metro in Lvov, where the quality is only marginally better than a nightclub in England.

I'm in Southern Ukraine at the moment, and 9's come.as often as yellow Mashrutkas, in Lvov it would take you all day to spot one.

I will agree that they are less bitchy in Lvov though.

Do not tempt me to go to Lvov and do a photo shoot to disperse every doubt.I agree about clubs they do not concentrate the top quality there.At least you do not see in the clubs the quality you see on the streets there is a disparity.While in Kiev clubs like De Lux you may see better quality than the one in the street due to strict door policy allowing only the hotties to enter.
As for height I actually measured the chicks by eye estimations(what percentage exceeds 170 cm) and I found girls in Lvov taller than girls in Dnirpopetrovsk,a bit taller than girls in Donetsk and taller than the girls in Kievbefore 2005 when Kiev had its original population(later it was flooded with women from all over Ukraine including the West of course).

[Greek kamaki]

This is a girl I took a photo of in Donetsk.It is the one typical style of Donbass beauty(the other is the tall,brunette,slender with stilettos).
I have photos of Lviv girls but in the older mobile which cannot be transferred to PC.



Typical slavic legs as you see.Elegant walking.

[lotharius]

Ok, I don't think you will find anyone who will agree with you on the height issue. Also I notice girls in Lvov wear heels more than any other Ukrainian city. In Kharkov girls will often not wear heels as they are lofty enough as it is.

In addition to this girls from Lvov have very untoned bodies, there are almost zero affordable gyms in Lvov, and their diet seems to be more primitive than that of Kiev, Kharkov etc.

The men are also terrible there which is a plus, again very out of shape, bad clothing, if Lvov guys do not work in IT in Lvov then they are mostly penniless.

Oh give me a shout when you come to Ukraine

[BigAlexBoss]

Lviv might be worth a quick visit.

[Greek kamaki]

(08-19-2012 03:57 AM)lotharius Wrote:  

Ok, I don't think you will find anyone who will agree with you on the height issue. Also I notice girls in Lvov wear heels more than any other Ukrainian city. In Kharkov girls will often not wear heels as they are lofty enough as it is.

In addition to this girls from Lvov have very untoned bodies, there are almost zero affordable gyms in Lvov, and their diet seems to be more primitive than that of Kiev, Kharkov etc.

The men are also terrible there which is a plus, again very out of shape, bad clothing, if Lvov guys do not work in IT in Lvov then they are mostly penniless.

Oh give me a shout when you come to Ukraine

All these about men in Lvov are true.Also girls often appear malnutrished very thin and almost never exercise(unlike Serbian girls).They are sometimes too pale just like some polish girls who are on strict diets.This paleness is the classic Galicia beauty.
They wear almost always heels I concur.This is a difference with polish girls because polish do not always wear heels and when they do they are just 5 cm heels not very high heels like girls in Lvov wear.This makes indeed a bit difficult to estimate Lvov girls height but I am sure they are taller on average than girls in Dnipropetrovsk and Donetsk.I have never been in Kharkov so there the type of girls maybe different.

How is the situation in southern Ukraine?Kherson etc?People who went there have mixed impressions.

[lotharius]

Here in Dnipro its very favourable for me, though there is a lack of expats to hang out with. Spoken English is so so

I am thinking of a move to Kharkov though as I like the tall leggy girls.

Have found some very fruitful locations recently that I am unlikely to share on here.

[Greek kamaki]

Dnipropetrovsk I remember club Sphera and club Labyrinth.Labyritnh is packed with hot chicks you do not find sth like this in Lvov.However this does not mean very much.The average quality in Dnipropetrovsk is exactly the same I met in Kiev in 2003.(when girls were still Kievan girls).If you want to see how girls in Kiev looked in the past go to Dnipropetrovsk.
I dated very hot girls in Dnipropetrovsk but everyone of them asked for presents in the first date.

[polish rumble]

(08-18-2012 01:01 PM)lotharius Wrote:  

I have been to Lviv, the quality is probably the lowest in the whole of Ukraine, and the girls are rather conservative and boring, nightlife is terrible, no decent restaurants etc. No reason to spend any time there

You are hatin right now. Conservative ? You mean to tell me that the girls from the east are less conservative? C'mon. Lviv is a good looking city with probably the most easy-going girls in the whole Ukraine and that's the basic truth. I agrre that Lviv's talent isn't as good as the one in Kiev but saying that it's the worst looking is a big exaggeration.

(08-19-2012 02:16 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Girls in Lviv look top.Actually they look exactly the same like girls in Krakow they are just on the thinner side.

As a Krakowian I wouldn't say so, it's more complex than that. If your target are 5's, 6's, 7's than I'd say go to Lviv (with a basic russian at least). In Kraków you can find more 8's and 9's (fall and spring) with better skin, teeth etc. Girls here do care more about their looks than in Lviv and they earn more money in order to make that happen.

(08-19-2012 02:29 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

This is what you see in Lvov(even polish guys get horny there.It is a place where Poles can pull easily cause they look better than Ukrainian guys and have more money).

I agree 100%. Being Polish in Lviv is a huge DHV, bigger than in any other Ukrainian city, and the best thing is that Ukrainian men are no obstacle, I'd even say they always were friendly to me. The reason that polish man like myself is hunting in Lviv is that in Kraków (Poland generally speaking) a breathtaking girl is almost always taken, with her boyfriend that revolves around her as if she were the sun, and in Ukraine there is simply more top quality girls who are saving themselves for someone special, they do not choose first guy who show his affection like polish girls tend to do

(08-19-2012 03:31 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

Do not tempt me to go to Lvov and do a photo shoot to disperse every doubt.

If you do that you gotta gimme a shout. I'd love to see mighty Kamaki in action.

[Greek kamaki]

It is true that in Krakow you meet more 8's,9's and 10's than in Lvov.However they are mostly unattainable meaning you do not really have any chances with them.The 7 or 8 which is relatively difficult to get in Krakow is totally possible in Lvov.(I mean the same girl in appearance).
We can deepen in the comparison between Krakow-Lvov it is a fascinating topic as these cities are considered twins.I guess if the Poles had remained in Lvov the situation there regarding girls appearance would be better.(more top hotties in international level).

I saw Poles in Lvov with very good looking girlfriends.There seems to be an estimation for Poles there(mixed with some strange fear).They regard Poles as strong,economically affluent etc.(for example the Greek owner of a restaurant showed great respect when people were telling they come from Poland).
Needless to say the interslavic mix over the centruries has produced some amazing results(girls with mother Ukrainian,dad polish,grandmother from Belarus and grandfather from Lithuania).You see great mixes world class all over the region.

[lotharius]

Rumble there is no doubt that Lvov and West Ukraine is the most conservative part of the country. It can be very difficult to even find a drunk girl in a nightclub there, but this also has to do with the fact that girls rarely have an independent income there and often live with family

I would recommend that people avoid Lvov if they are looking for quick action.

With regard to the Polish, Lvov folk have strong ties with Poland naturally and the tourists are predominently Polish. However, I would say any nationality has a DHV over Ukraine(apart from Moldova).

Many girls can speak some Polish in Lvov which is obviously a nice advantage. But then again a decent looking American, Brit, Italian, Spanish guy can turn up in Lvov knowing they are the gold medal the local ladies yearn for.

Ukraine is great In any city, I like Lvov a lot, if it was not for me targetting top tier I would probably live there.

I have a significant bank roll and Lvov cannot provide the entertainment I desire. I made the mistake of going to a strip club there, I think it was called Split, never seen such poor quality anywhere in Europe

I recommend looking up "metro club lviv" on Facebook, this is the most popular club in Lvov. They post daily photos, post a photo of anything you see above an 8, good luck!

[Greek kamaki]

From what I hear Fashion club is the most popular now.(it used to be Milennium).Metro is very average.
These photos show typical Galicja style beauties.You see the resemblance to polish.

http://fashion-club.in/en/photogallery/c...v-mykalaya

[ManAbout]

(08-19-2012 02:29 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

This is what you see in Lvov(even polish guys get horny there.It is a place where Poles can pull easily cause they look better than Ukrainian guys and have more money).

...

Many of those girls would be top end quality in any N American city.

[polish rumble]

(08-19-2012 10:38 AM)lotharius Wrote:  

Rumble there is no doubt that Lvov and West Ukraine is the most conservative part of the country. It can be very difficult to even find a drunk girl in a nightclub there, but this also has to do with the fact that girls rarely have an independent income there and often live with family

If you say so. I was once in Donetsk in 2011 and that's pretty much it, but I wasn't amazed with the quality. Next time when I talk to my Ukrainian friends I'll ask their opinion, but until now they were never that much excited about eastern Ukrainian girls.

(08-19-2012 10:38 AM)lotharius Wrote:  

With regard to the Polish, Lvov folk have strong ties with Poland naturally and the tourists are predominently Polish. However, I would say any nationality has a DHV over Ukraine(apart from Moldova).

Many girls can speak some Polish in Lvov which is obviously a nice advantage. But then again a decent looking American, Brit, Italian, Spanish guy can turn up in Lvov knowing they are the gold medal the local ladies yearn for.

Lviv, or should I say Lwów, was a polish city from its very beginning until WW2, some streets still got polish names, and there's large polish minority there so I guess that explains much.

(08-19-2012 10:38 AM)lotharius Wrote:  

I have a significant bank roll and Lvov cannot provide the entertainment I desire. I made the mistake of going to a strip club there, I think it was called Split, never seen such poor quality anywhere in Europe

I recommend looking up "metro club lviv" on Facebook, this is the most popular club in Lvov. They post daily photos, post a photo of anything you see above an 8, good luck!

Sure I get it, you are right. Someone with higher expectations should stick to Kiev, Lviv is 2nd tier and nobody denies it.

Meanwhile you can post here links to galleries of some fine clubs from Kharkiv or Dontesk, I'd gladly compare the talent.

(08-19-2012 11:32 AM)Greek kamaki Wrote:  

From what I hear Fashion club is the most popular now.(it used to be Milennium).Metro is very average.
These photos show typical Galicja style beauties.You see the resemblance to polish.

Was about to say the same, Metro is a place where anyone can go in, is definitely not a place to find the top quality.

[lotharius]

Yes I appreciate Metro is distinctly average, but nevertheless a club of that size with such low quality is unusual in this country.

I visited Fashion Club, there is some quality, although it seemed the women were prepaid. Seems it just takes a table reservation, some "champagne", and then girl is your property for the night

[BeTravel]

I second Lotharius on having the impression that girls in Lvov are less attractive than elsewhere in Ukraine. I was even wondering whether the Germans (Lemberk) had something to do with it, and 'screwed up' the slavic genes there. (Please note that i'm not raving about that side of Poland - yes the girls are nice there (Wroclaw/Poznan/Cracow) but not the cutest i've ever seen)
I would be surprised too if they're on average taller compared to East Europeans.

I cannot judge on the post-Euro situation, but I was there a few times, last time a bit more than a year ago:
- Nice and cheap apartments at that time
- Girls were very open to foreigners at that time
- Night clubs were not the greatest (Metro) but decent,
- I especially liked the book/café/bars for daygame

[Greek kamaki]

The Germans were never present in mass in Lemberg.The Poles were and they clearly influenced the genetic pool.there.If you do not like the polish type it is another issue.

[BeTravel]

I do like the Poles - and meant Germans as Habsburg (18/19th century - not current 'Germany'.
On the genetic pool influence - agree.
Still think they are plenty hot there - just a bit less than more east in my opinion...