[chakri]

I tried this yesterday. I had the logistics set up (bar near my house, meeting at 9:45pm). I think I let the date drag on a little too long though, as when we finally finished our drinks it was past 11pm and the girl said she was tired and wanted to call it a night.

I probably should have drank faster myself and pushed her to drink faster, then either get another round, or venue change, or bounce it to my place, just to leave time.

[gringochileno]

(09-08-2013 12:16 AM)chakri Wrote:  

I tried this yesterday. I had the logistics set up (bar near my house, meeting at 9:45pm). I think I let the date drag on a little too long though, as when we finally finished our drinks it was past 11pm and the girl said she was tired and wanted to call it a night.

I probably should have drank faster myself and pushed her to drink faster, then either get another round, or venue change, or bounce it to my place, just to leave time.

I usually try to meet around 8-8:30. Late enough to be unambiguously after dinner hours, but early enough that you can spend a reasonable amount of time at the venue (1-2 hours) before bouncing to your place without running into this sort of objection. I've found that when I start weeknight dates later than this, I tend to run out of time to get the bang since the chick will eventually say she has to leave to get up early the next morning.

[chakri]

I was just reading XXL's post regarding leading the interaction with a purpose. The examples he gives are first approaches, but leading the interaction is important in all situations.
http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-27791-...#pid529270

It made me realize just now of one of my areas for improvement. I am proficient at leading the interaction during the first approach in order to get the number or set up a date. But DURING THE DATE, too often I'm just winging it and going with the flow.

I often end up just engaging in endless back and forth banter. After the attraction is there, I need to learn to tone down the witty remarks and focus more on building comfort and getting to know the girl.

I need to have a game plan (of general principles, not memorized routines) so the interaction during the date will be moving towards something and not just getting stalled in random chit chat about irrelevant/impersonal topics. For example, during the first approach, you need to establish WHY you are getting the number? There has to be a purpose of that (even if it means giving a light compliment to show your interest...which is actually something I personally will start trying, as I think I naturally come off as being very dominant so I won't have to worry about a compliment making me come off as needy). So likewise, during the date, I need to learn to establish a GOAL/PURPOSE of the date so it doesn't just deteriorate into useless banter.

[horn]

Set up logistics for early dinner at upscale place, like 7ish. Had a drink first, then wine at the table, not too much though just a couple glasses over 2+ hours.

Took the advice about saving the kiss until back at her or my place, my place it was so got her seated on the sofa, lit some candles, turned down the lights and walked back to the couch...she leaped on top of me while pulling her dress over her hips, it was pretty amazing what a little an...ticipation can do to a woman.

[Hades]

I'm gonna give this a shot tonight.

[Hades]

(09-28-2013 06:41 PM)Hades Wrote:  

I'm gonna give this a shot tonight.

Eh
Almost ended my dry streak but must have betad out somehow. LMR is still a mystery to me somewhat. At least I drove her home without getting pulled over. Thanks for the guide though Tuth, it's damned good shit. My logistics are god awful but it's damned good. This belongs in drunk lounge.

[aphelion]

Just noticed I hadn't Liked this yet. Thought I'd fix that obvious oversight.

[aphelion]

(01-25-2012 05:32 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

(01-24-2012 05:18 AM)Fisto Wrote:  

Dude, you have a very good style of writing that makes learning these ideas easy to digest.

I am really impressed and I am going to try the NOT kissing move asap. I have been going for that kiss up front from the very beginning for as long as I've been running game. This makes so much sense. That make out buffer is a false sense of security and recognizing it is a stroke of genius.

Thanks, man. Let me know how your experimentation works out. Seriously. I'm continuing to hone this knife and seeing results. I'd actually like to add a small insight to this that I've been observing recently.

Addendum:

So, one interesting twist that I've noticed lately is that the invitation back to your place after one round of drinks can work on another level: girls' cheapness (or general broke-ness, especially with younger prospects in today's economy). Girls are way more aware of money, I think, that we tend to be. We expect to spend money on pussy. We, in fact, budget it in as "bitch money." They often get away with never having to drop any coin. Plus, girls--especially the cute, young ones we're after--tend to have shitty, low-paying jobs, if any at all.

If you've dropped the I'll-grab-the-first-round line and then, at some point, suggest you get a second round elsewhere, she's anticipating having to open her wallet. But if you suddenly follow that up with the suggestion that you grab that second round at your place, she recognizes that she might not have to pick up the tab after all. Second round is also on you. Of course, she knows this will mean going back to your place, but combined with the fact that you haven't made out yet (so that she has that all-important plausible deniability), saving $15-20 and having a little innocent make-out session makes a lot of sense.

It's kind of hard to describe, but I've had a couple of girls jump all over the idea in a way that suggested this. This is insight, I think, worth keeping in mind.

Also, this is some fucking modern technology here

[Need]

Great post. I get lmr sometimes leading to my home. Girl says oh I don't think its a good idea... perhaps saying come up just to hangout or makeout would work... though I used it sometimes and they didn't come in...

[soup]

Proof that this works with high accuracy and that it follows the girls train of thought precisely:

The other day I used this with a girl successfully.

Post Coitus I said "I didn't think that was going to happen"

She says "Me neither.. I thought we were just going to make out"

[gringochileno]

(02-25-2014 08:56 PM)soup Wrote:  

Proof that this works with high accuracy and that it follows the girls train of thought precisely:

The other day I used this with a girl successfully.

Post Coitus I said "I didn't think that was going to happen"

She says "Me neither.. I thought we were just going to make out"

Yeah the main reason why it's so deadly is because of the insight about not burning your "makeout token." Everything else helps, of course, but it basically boils down to making the girl think you're just gonna make out, then having the excellent logistics and good late-game escalation/persistence that allow you to upgrade the makeout to a bang.

[gringochileno]

That reminded me of something I've been meaning to post, let's talk escalation strategy. How do you guys usually go about going from makeout to bang in this situation?

For me, I try to decide as early as possible whether a girl is looking to fuck immediately or if she'll need to be turned on a lot before considering it. While I don't mind spending awhile overcoming resistance if that's what's needed (my sex playlist is over 2 hours long for a reason), I don't want to spend 45 minutes slowly escalating towards sex when I could have just ripped her clothes off and gone to town. So within the first couple of minutes of making out I'll try something that's clearly portending something more than just making out, but isn't sudden enough to freak the girl out if she's not ready for it, like grabbing her ass or momentarily brushing her tit.

If she really gets into it and holds my hand on her breast moaning or starts doing proactive shit of her own like dry-humping me, trying to take off my shirt or moving my hand toward her pussy, I'll put her on the "fast track" and see if I can't just take her clothes off and bang her right then and there. If this goes down right you'll get zero resistance and you can literally be having sex within a minute or two.

It's awesome when that happens, but I've found that on a first date (and even more so online) those girls are a minority, so if I don't get a favorable response the first time I test the waters I assume she's under the impression that we're just going to make out and I'll actually go really fucking slow after that. I figure that if a girl thinks she only went back to your place for an innocent makeout session, I'd better make damn sure she's good and turned on before I take the risk of popping that bubble. This applies especially to when you first move past the kissing stage, but also at major milestones like putting her hand on your cock, starting to take off clothes, or removing her panties. Basically, once I've decided a girl isn't a fast-track candidate, I spend a lot of time just kissing (and often taking multiple breaks) before I try anything else, then I try my hardest to be methodical without skipping any steps any and milking the fuck out of each one to get her as horny as possible before escalating further--my experience is that if I don't, I get a WHOLE LOT of "I don't normally do this" and "we're moving too fast" which can only be deflected for so long. I've still fucked up and scared a few girls into leaving by following this strategy, but overall it's been pretty successful (probably still close to a 50% bang rate among girls I've gotten back to my apartment after you discount the girls who were down to fuck right away).

What have you guys found works to convert your makeout token into a bang when following the recipe? Does anybody else have good ways to smoothly get past the makeout stage?

[Tuthmosis]

(02-25-2014 08:56 PM)soup Wrote:  

Post Coitus I said "I didn't think that was going to happen"

She says "Me neither.. I thought we were just going to make out"

[Mujeriego]

(02-25-2014 09:55 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

What have you guys found works to convert your makeout token into a bang when following the recipe? Does anybody else have good ways to smoothly get past the makeout stage?

I go full tilt boogey once we get to my place. If she's not down to start fucking then I keep making out while rubbing her pussy through her pants. That warms up most girls and they get too horny to keep LMR-ing you. Another move to warm up the cooter is to kiss along their neck and work your way up to their ears. I'll bite on their ear lobes and it drives them nuts. If you combine the ear biting with simultaneous pussy rubbing then it's a wrap.

[MY DETROIT PLAYAS]

^^^kiss along their neck and work your way up to their ears. I'll bite on their ear lobes and it drives them nuts.

Haven't met a woman yet who hasn't folded like a lawn chair from this technique coupled with mini massages and firm hugs.

[General Mayhem]

I can't count how many times I have started kissing a girl's neck and then heard her moan and tell me that's her weak spot. Strong make-out game is an underrated skill.

This post genius by the way. I have always naturally tactically withheld, but this post really puts it into words.

One of my favorite lines is looking a girl in the eyes, knowing she wants it, then saying, "not here".

[Samseau]

(02-26-2014 01:06 AM)Mujeriego Wrote:  

(02-25-2014 09:55 PM)gringochileno Wrote:  

What have you guys found works to convert your makeout token into a bang when following the recipe? Does anybody else have good ways to smoothly get past the makeout stage?

I go full tilt boogey once we get to my place. If she's not down to start fucking then I keep making out while rubbing her pussy through her pants. That warms up most girls and they get too horny to keep LMR-ing you. Another move to warm up the cooter is to kiss along their neck and work your way up to their ears. I'll bite on their ear lobes and it drives them nuts. If you combine the ear biting with simultaneous pussy rubbing then it's a wrap.

Pro-tip:

It's not just nibbling on her earlobes, try sticking your tongue right into her ear canal. Some girls start orgasming on the spot. One girl told me that eating out her ear is more pleasurable for her than rubbing her clit.

[Mujeriego]

(02-28-2014 08:08 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

It's not just nibbling on her earlobes, try sticking your tongue right into her ear canal. Some girls start orgasming on the spot. One girl told me that eating out her ear is more pleasurable for her than rubbing her clit.

I'll have to try this again. I did it a few times back in the day and most girls weren't too hot on it.

[mbare]

Great post Tuth.

My question for you and others, is have you ever tried getting the girl over to your place FIRST for a drink/hang out before moving to a venue? If so, has it been successful for you?

This has been my variation of your method, and it has also worked well for me. Like you I have great logistics, walking distance to just about everything.

I tell them to meet me downtown on XY street, and we'll do aperativo first and go from there. Or I might just say lets have aperativo at my place first. After meeting/greeting them on the street, you can cut in at anytime to get them up. Usually girls don't know what aperativo is, so I play off the fact that I lived in Italy, and start rambling on about pre-drinking snacks that are very common, etc. During the rambling I'm walking them to my pad. If they give a little protest or wonder why you're going to your pad first, use Tuth's "what's the worst that could happen or don't worry I'm only a serial killer on the weekends." And never mind that aperativo technically means your before meal snacks/drinks, because they tend to eat much later than Americans. It doesn't matter, it's just an excuse.

If you're not good at building comfort and are a little awkward in those first few minutes of an interaction, then I could see my method backfiring. Point is to not be specific about where your first drink is/aperativo. If you're game is good, you can build enough comfort those initial few minutes that it won't be a big deal. For people who can't play the italy card, you could just say let's do happy hour at my place first, or let's do drinks first, then tell them it'll be at your place first.

When they come up, I already have a few things ready. A few different cheeses, crackers, olives, salami etc. You can include a few chips and/or carrots too.

The other important part about this is having a good bachelor pad. I have a bar, photos I've taken on the wall, artwork, etc. Pulling them into your place so they see it's comfortable/manly/cool I think is a good move. Gets the hamster spinning. When they go to the bathroom, they pass my bedroom door to see the bed I'll be banging them on later. Also, I only tell them about the things around my place as they ask...very nonchalant. After a few light snacks, drinks, and conversation then take them to your normal local spot. And just like not kissing them at the venue, DON'T kiss them or make any strong moves at your pad initially. Playfulness sure, but nothing more.

Not sure if my variation will work for everyone, and of course there are things that can backfire. But it's worked well for me, and hopefully someone can add it to their list.

[casio]

The key thing is logistics and a scenario where you know what will happen next. I never even leave my house and it works just as well.
Hard part in my way is making them come over in the first place, once they are here it's showtime.

[Phoenux]

I tried Tuth's recipe last night. Met a cute chick off Tinder, 6.5 with awesome breasts, had my place nice and clean, suggested a bar within walking distance from my place, told her the first round's on me (she bought the 2nd one), bounced back to my place after, waited about 15 minutes before the make-out, moved to the bedroom, killed the LMR (thanks McQueen for that) and smashed.

I am adopting this as my new template for dates

[ChiTown]

Hey fellas. I met a girl last week, got the number, and engaged in solid text game sticking to purely logistical information. She responded every time with exclamation marks and all that crap. Tonight, I suggested meeting up Tuesday night and texted her with a venue near my place.

Now, I've never had this much resistance early on. There's a really chill place within walking distance of my pad, and I always play up the competitiveness with them by making small references to the ping pong/pool tables. It's a really fun spot. Usually, they are totally down. She texted me back saying, "Can we meet somewhere more central. I have to get up early for work and all the next day." To which I naturally responded that I have to get up early, too, and that she'd be missing out on some fun ping pong.

My gut is telling me that if there's already this kind of resistance from early on, perhaps this is already dead in the water. Or, just standard shit test? Thoughts?

[delineator]

Anyone have any tips for damage control? This recipe is golden but I'm struggling with a very low re-engagement rate in the cases where I failed to overcome lmr and lost the bang. I know these chicks are still interested but they are just a little pissed off and the next day texting doesn't always go so well. Anyone really successful at getting the second date bang after pushing really hard the first time but coming up short?

[roid]

My first date closing always involves alcohol.

[soup]

On the topic of plausible deniability..

We are talking in another thread about gaming without booze http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-37148-...#pid754437

Booze is sex related. If you can figure out another way to get her back to the pad, I think you might have better chances with most girls.