[Parlay44]

I'm sure some of you guys have dated girls like this. Just wondering how you've handled them, from gaming them to dating them to keeping them as fuck buddies. Please share your experiences.

Borderline Personalty Disorder is a mental condition but it makes for a fantastic sexual experience. I banged out one girl like this and it took me a while to review the tapes(in my head) and figure out what was up with her.

I found this article on Jezebel about dating women with this disorder.

An example of girl with this disorder is Winona Ryder in the movie Girl, Interrupted.

Here's some info that I've found that describes the condition:

Borderline Personality Disorder

Borderline personality disorder is a condition in which people have long-term patterns of unstable or turbulent emotions, such as feelings about themselves and others.

These inner experiences often cause them to take impulsive actions and have chaotic relationships.

Symptoms

People with BPD are often uncertain about their identity. As a result, their interests and values may change rapidly.

People with BPD also tend to see things in terms of extremes, such as either all good or all bad. Their views of other people may change quickly. A person who is looked up to one day may be looked down on the next day. These suddenly shifting feelings often lead to intense and unstable relationships.

Other symptoms of BPD include:

Fear of being abandoned

Feelings of emptiness and boredom

Frequent displays of inappropriate anger

Impulsiveness with money, substance abuse, sexual relationships, binge eating, or shoplifting

Intolerance of being alone

Repeated crises and acts of self-injury, such as wrist cutting or overdosing

[joehoya]

Personally, I have been with chicks like that, and it is WAY to fucking tiring to even keep them around as fuck buddies. I don't even want to fuck them for SNLs now.

The thing about them is while they SEEM really clingy and needy, they fundamentally do not believe that they deserve that affection that they beg for. So when you actually give it to them, the switch flips and they will do ABSOLUTELY anything to sabotage the relationship, because they "know" that you will abandon them eventually. Also, when that switch flips, it flips quick and it will leave you wondering what the fuck is going on.

I have was with a BPD chick that would come over to my apartment, strip off their clothes, laid face down on my bed, spread her own ass cheeks, and said "I am ready", and let me fuck her in the ass over and over again throughout the night. This was a chick that on more than one occasion, while watching a movie together on my couch, I would pull a Joe Pesci from Casino and just grab her head and lead it to my cock, and she sucked me off without resistance. We would make out in public everywhere, with me fingering her in public places (the bus, the cafeteria, restaurants, etc) often. Seriously, I thought that I had found the greatest thing in the world, a hot, submissive, superfreak.

Then the next thing I know, she gets Ice cold and super paranoid with me. She finally explains that she felt I "violated" her and made her feel unsafe in my place. Was it the times I would randomly finger her? No. Was it the times that I would see her in my kitchen, walk up behind her, pull down her pants and just fuck her with no warning like a dog in heat? Of course not. Was it the day I told her not to wear a top in my apartment so I could suck on her big boobs whenever I felt like it? Nope.

What was it that I did that violated her and made her feel unsafe? It was a night that she went in MY BED with ME IN IT to sleep and I suggested we have sex. Keep in mind, she told me she was tired and I said that was cool and to have a good nights sleep. But, as she believed it, merely SUGGESTING sex at a time when she didn't want it was threatening to her.

Now, that was not the real reason she switched on me. The real reason was that she was falling in love with me (which she had told me before) BUT I was NOT pushing her away. In her fucked up little world, she doesn't deserve love so if someone reciprocates affection to her she needs to push that dude as far away, as quickly as possible, to avoid the inevitable moment when he(Me) rejects her. She told me before we started fucking around that EVERY friend she has ever had has left her, and I will too. I didn't believe her, but it turned out that bitch was fucking Nostradamus.

The chick didn't just break up with me. Nope, she literally tried to instigate fights with me. I mean actual FIST FIGHTS. Thankfully, I never took the bait, but she was the first and only woman that I ever came close to getting violent with. She was also the first woman to create some serious ANGER toward women in general, and it took a few months after our relationship to get rid of. The relationship was so toxic (people with BPD are often referred to as "toxic") that I severed contact with her because I didn't like who I was becoming around her.

I actually wound up hooking up with her again a few years later (slow learner, I know). I just wanted to use her for sex, and whenever she expressed love and affection toward me, I just treated her like shit. Surprisingly, she responded REALLY positively to it. If I was willing to keep treating her like shit, she would have made a decent LTR. The problem with treating people like shit constantly is that you eventually start developing a shitty/negative state of mind yourself, and no pussy is worth that, no matter how submissive.

I blame her dad for how fucked up she became. I know that he beat her when she was younger. However, while she never told me, I am almost certain he molested her as well.

There is so much (relatively) mentally healthy pussy out there, there is no need to chase after the damaged goods.

[OGNorCal707]

I dated a chick who I am 100% certain has BPD, I would describe her as a narcissistic, pathologically lying, sociopathic, manipulative bitch. If you get involved with one they will act obsessive and psychotic, their aim is to manipulate you, and pretty much use and get the best of everyone. I recommend avoiding them like the black plague. The sex is amazing, and they are basically nasty freaks that will do just about anything. When I finally broke up with my ex, she offered to let me pee on her, because she new she'd wronged me, I declined, because I thought it would fuck her up even more.

If you meet a girl like this, I'd say hit it and quit it, but the thing is the sex is so mind blowing and they are such nymphos who love to fuck, that it becomes addictive and you get sucked into it. Also most of these women are compulsive sex addicts who've slept with shit tons of guys, so make sure to always wrap it up, which becomes easy to forgo when you're having wild, drunken, manic sex.

Unfortunately, I suffered horrible consequences from my relationship with her, which I chronicled in this long and detailed post: http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-4403.h...experience Even more shit has come to light, since then, but for the most part, it's chronicled there.

Like JoeHoya's ex he wrote about, I suspect that my ex may have been molested and I have a strong suspecion that it may have been by her own father.

[OGNorCal707]

Here's a really well written article about sex and women with BPD:

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20...d-sex.html

I've read most online that most women in porn have this disorder, and that a high percentage of women with this disorder were molested as children. I've also read that 25% of people with BPD also have narcissitic personality disorder, which I believe my ex gf did, narcisitic and borderline personality disorders together is a nasty combo.

[Deluge]

joeya what you said sounds similar to my experiences, though with my ex her mum was emotionally neglectful due to her own mental issues. I strongly suspect my ex girlfriend of having it. Her psychologist hasn't diagnosed her with anything yet in the month or two she's been seeing him.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I believe that joehoya's excellent post describes not only BPD girls, but also a much larger share of the female population. It's so spread that it's not even a disorder, just girl modus operandi. Or BPD affects 40% of women.

[OGNorCal707]

(12-05-2011 07:58 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

I believe that joehoya's excellent post describes not only BPD girls, but also a much larger share of the female population. It's so spread that it's not even a disorder, just girl modus operandi. Or BPD affects 40% of women.

I believe there are 9 official characteristics or criteria that make up borderline personality disorder, most women in American/western society probably display a few of these behavioral/psychological charactersitics. To be officially diagnosed a person has to show a clear pattern of displaying 5 out of the 9, a person that is a real BPD will often have more, my ex-gf was a textbook case, she checked 7 out of the 9 criteria.

I really feel this disorder is off most everyones' radar, but it's a much bigger issue than we know. I'd never heard of BPD until I broke up with my ex and went to therapy. Most BPD's have narcisstic tendancies, are pathological liars, and are in complete denial, so they never get diagnosed, or get misdiagnosed.

[Timoteo]

"An example of girl with this disorder is Winona Ryder in the movie Girl, Interrupted."

Winona Ryder was actually the person that got this film made. She optioned the book it was based on. Oddly enough, if you all remember, she ended up getting busted herself for SHOPLIFTING. She had to bow out of "The Godfather III" due to "exhaustion" (Sophia Coppola tragically ended up in the role of Mary), when I think she had gotten checked in to a "facility" for treatment of her issues. She was probably attracted to the movie because and had herself play someone with BPD because she wouldn't really have to act.

[Tuthmosis]

Holy shit! This explains a lot about a story I told in another thread about a crazy OKCupid girl I recently encountered:

(12-03-2011 10:37 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

OKCupid girls do lie. I went out with a "6-dater" who I banged within 45 minutes--no exaggeration--of meeting her for the first date.

(12-03-2011 12:29 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

ROFL, that's easier than most night game notches!!

(12-03-2011 10:37 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I know. I was a little surprised myself. All it cost me was a $5 beer and like a half-a-block of walking too. We had first round at a place right near my place and bounced to my pad for "round two" which, of course, became banging. For a night, I felt like I had executed a near-perfect game session.

Little did I know that I would be paying the price later when this tramp starting quite literally stalking me, showing up at my house in the middle of the night and texting me non-stop. I think I got over 70 texts from her in one day (she would write these super long messages that would break up into 7+ texts of 160 characters). One time, she totally interrupted a date with another (better) prospect and ruined that shit permanently (I only got to bang that girl once even though I was interested in at least a few more times).

I came close to calling the police. I shit you not. This shit only got resolved like three days ago, when I finally got through to her that I wasn't interested! But I'm not convinced that I've seen the last of that bitch, though. These are the highs/lows of OKC, my man.

The full version of that story, though, is for another time/venue.

[Pusscrook]

Ill say this..... whores suffering with any kind of disorder, seem to be the best when it comes to sexual experimentation. If you catch them at the right time,(when the disorder has run its course), the guilt, makes them quite eager to please . You will get the ride of your life. Downside to this is that once she convinces herself that she is a piece of shit , (in about 3 months or so) you will be in repair mode once again.

[joehoya]

(12-05-2011 03:50 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

Ill say this..... whores suffering with any kind of disorder, seem to be the best when it comes to sexual experimentation. If you catch them at the right time,(when the disorder has run its course), the guilt, makes them quite eager to please . You will get the ride of your life. Downside to this is that once she convinces herself that she is a piece of shit , (in about 3 months or so) you will be in repair mode once again.

The problem with trying to game them just for sex is that you are playing russian roulette. Yeah, if you play it perfectly it can be awesome sex. However, they are so unpredictable and extreme that you may have ZERO idea what they are capible of when that switch flips. That same level of passion they have when they "love" you can turn into hate in a heartbeat.

A BPD chick opperates at such extremes that they are capible of literally ANYTHING, including:
1) Getting pregnant to keep you
2) Falsely claiming domestic violence (as has happened to one of our members)
3) Falsely claiming RAPE
4) Stalking you (as has happened to another of our members, and to a friend of mine)
5) Destroying/vandelizing your property
6) MURDERING YOU (I am willing to bet money that a HUGE number of those women who commit murder/suicides with their boyfriends/husbands are BPD).

Keep in mind that any and all of these things could start after the FIRST bang. Also, if you think that you will just hit it and quit it, there is a VERY good chance that her switch will flip right afterwards and they your are dealing with some stalker/nutjob who will do/say anything to anybody in order to be with you OR get even with you.

It is tempting, I know. While I have no contact with the BPD I was with, she is somewhat friends with a few of my acquaintances. I know that I could get her number from them, call her, and less than 5 hours from now have my cock buried in her ass. But then what? I truly believe that this chick is capable of filing a false rape claim against me out of revenge. Or she might injure me after fucking (she once burned a chick for no reason). It is just not worth it. There are plenty of relatively emotionally healthy women that like it up the booty.

[Vitriol]

joehoya Wrote:

A BPD chick opperates at such extremes that they are capible of literally ANYTHING, including:
1) Getting pregnant to keep you
2) Falsely claiming domestic violence (as has happened to one of our members)
3) Falsely claiming RAPE
4) Stalking you (as has happened to another of our members, and to a friend of mine)
5) Destroying/vandelizing your property
6) MURDERING YOU (I am willing to bet money that a HUGE number of those women who commit murder/suicides with their boyfriends/husbands are BPD).

While someone with an extreme personality disorder is more likely to pull something like this, these are inherent risks of dealing with all women. EX: buyer's remorse becomes rape, having a "happy accident" pregnancy, etc.

Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:

I believe that joehoya's excellent post describes not only BPD girls, but also a much larger share of the female population. It's so spread that it's not even a disorder, just girl modus operandi. Or BPD affects 40% of women.

It certainly sounds like it. Constant lying, narcissism, inability to keep commitments when it presents a minor inconvenience (flaking), impulsiveness with money/shopping. This is just basically the way females are, only it seems to be more extreme with people who have actually been diagnosed.

[joehoya]

(12-05-2011 08:56 PM)Vitriol Wrote:  

joehoya Wrote:

A BPD chick opperates at such extremes that they are capible of literally ANYTHING, including:
1) Getting pregnant to keep you
2) Falsely claiming domestic violence (as has happened to one of our members)
3) Falsely claiming RAPE
4) Stalking you (as has happened to another of our members, and to a friend of mine)
5) Destroying/vandelizing your property
6) MURDERING YOU (I am willing to bet money that a HUGE number of those women who commit murder/suicides with their boyfriends/husbands are BPD).

While someone with an extreme personality disorder is more likely to pull something like this, these are inherent risks of dealing with all women. EX: buyer's remorse becomes rape, having a "happy accident" pregnancy, etc.

For me it is all about risk management. I know that anyone can get into a car accident. At the same time, I also recognize that downing a fifth of vodka and then going street racing with my buddies will dramatically increase that chance.

[Deluge]

Question for everyone: Would you knowingly sleep with a girl you knew to be borderline if she was super hot and a freak in bed?

[Pusscrook]

(12-06-2011 09:30 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

Question for everyone: Would you knowingly sleep with a girl you knew to be borderline if she was super hot and a freak in bed?

Yes, any whore that has a t.v., access to the internet, access to drug shopping, and, access to men who create these monsters,should be expected to be placed in the multiple disorders category.

[Deluge]

(12-06-2011 10:36 PM)Pusscrook Wrote:  

(12-06-2011 09:30 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

Question for everyone: Would you knowingly sleep with a girl you knew to be borderline if she was super hot and a freak in bed?

Yes, any whore that has a t.v., access to the internet, access to drug shopping, and, access to men who create these monsters,should be expected to be placed in the multiple disorders category.

-.- I meant actually truly BPD. Like it should be medically diagnosed and treated but it hasn't yet. The crazy of the crazies.

[Timoteo]

(12-06-2011 09:30 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

Question for everyone: Would you knowingly sleep with a girl you knew to be borderline if she was super hot and a freak in bed?

Yeah...and I'd use a fake name, fuck at HER crib, and disappear immediately after fucking her again in the morning.

[xsplat]

BPD girls can be unsurpassably great. But never without also being unsurpassably terrible. Dated one for a year, thinking if I could learn how to manage her, I could manage anyone. I did learn a lot, but no one can manage a BPD girl.

I've got another that showed no signs of BPD until she snapped, after 5 months of living together. She had a fucked up childhood, and has issues, and the fact that she kept it together for so long might mean she's not a full time fuck up. But when she snapped, she snapped hard, and was dangerous.

At any moment I could call her up.

The temptation proves to me that I'm prone to dangerously stupid risks.

That cookie jar has a mouse trap in it. Mousetrap pussy.

[arkanBrah]

The problem with BPD girls is that you think you're strong enough to deal with a crazy like this and remain unaffected.

AVOID. Dude, seriously. The bad will eventually outweigh the good you experience with these types. There are plenty of normal girls with normal low self-esteem...but these are a special breed.

I experienced one of these at 17 and it took until 23 to ultimately realize, through therapy and honest self assessment, that I had allowed myself to turn into a misogynist, partly enabled by her.

The truth is, even if you are aware and strong enough internally, these girls aren't worth it. The moment you think you have it under control...the moment you are the fool.

You've been warned...

[Alex Lockhart]

When I was younger I was in a relationship with a girl who had BPD for about 8 months. Man was that a crazy time, full of all sorts of ups and downs. I would strongly suggest to you guys not to get involved -- even just for a fling! Sure, the sex might be great, but in the end I just isn't worth it. There are always more gorgeous girls out there that aren't going to mess with your head (as much). Although it may seem glamorous as an idea or in the movies, in reality someone with a real problem isn't sexy at all. It's really quite sad.

We all know how crazy girls 'regular' girls can be, well someone with full blown BPD is just beyond that. I really struggle to see how someone would even maintain a friends with benefits relationship for long. But this kind of disorder is relatively rare. Stick to the normal female roller coasters.

+1 all of joehoya's posts here.

[Pusscrook]

(12-06-2011 11:24 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

(12-06-2011 09:30 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

Question for everyone: Would you knowingly sleep with a girl you knew to be borderline if she was super hot and a freak in bed?

Yeah...and I'd use a fake name, fuck at HER crib, and disappear immediately after fucking her again in the morning.

Tim has it fucking right! This is about science and not just ,"dick in pussy" . What monkey climbs up a tree to get a fruit, when it knows a cobra is lurking in the tree? You have to learn how to separate things.

[Timoteo]

I understand the fear of not being able to walk away from something that is highly pleasurable. We all know bitches be crazy, and these BPD chicks are EXTRA. That's the challenge. That's the internal struggle. When is enough enough? How many chicks don't know when to push away from the table...to put down that quart of Haagen Dazs BEFORE they finish the whole thing? Next thing you know, they're fat. Some pretty intelligent criminals have gotten caught because they didn't know when to stop. Hmmm...lemme do ONE more illegal trade. Lemme pull ONE more job, then I'm done. That serial killer can't stop, and continues until he slips up and leaves that ONE little clue that gets him caught. It's natural that you'll be drawn to continue something that gives you joy, or some sort of rush. You gotta be DeNiro in "Heat." You gotta be able to walk away when you feel the heat coming around the corner.

[OGNorCal707]

The thing with BPD girls is rarely will you ever know that they are BPD, unless you met a guy who was their ex-BF that had the misfortune of learning the hard way, and he's the one who tells you.

Women with BPD are great actors (liars), and when they first meet you they will do everything to disguise and hide their neurotic and psychotic ways. "Mirroring" is a common BPD trait, this is the act of molding ones' self to "mirror" the person they're with, in other words the BPD woman will seemingly mold and shape her personality to match, fit, and compliment yours. This happened with me, when I met my ex-GF, and since "having no real identity or sense of self" is one of the criteria of BPD, it's easy for me to understand how they do this.

With BPD women, you never know what is true and what is false, what is real and what is an act, they are masters of lying, and I have also read that they are extremely intuitive and able to read others well, and can tell when others are lying to them. It's scary to think you are with a person who is a pathological liar that is spoon feeding you B.S., and you have no idea that their lying/manipulating you.

Another thing with BPD women, is that you never know how extreme their emotional state might swing. You might end up banging a girl with BPD that had a serious BF, and you're just her side fuck and everything is fun and games... Until she develops some kind of obcession with you, starts stalking you, threatening you, etc.

Often times you can't see it coming, it's that extreme with these women. In one moment they can snap and do something insane, like stab you with a knife, borrow your car and drive it off a cliff, call 911 on you and accuse you of assault, try and black mail you, get pregnant intentionally, accuse you of rape, etc.

Not to make light of their mental illness, but from my experience with a BPD woman, in my opinion they are soulless and fucking evil.

[iknowexactly]

BIg avoid in my book unless you have a VERY good setup for guaranteed anonymity and unreachableness. ( Even if she has an anonymous email and nothing else to track you down with, her email messages can have a psychic charge that is traumatic.)

However, as the above posters have pointed out, their surface appearance of normailty makes them hard to screen for until you're fairly well-along in talking to/fucking them.

Good warning sign from my clinical practice experience: Over-the-top flattery. Clients will often say "Youre' the only therapist who's understood me."

BPD would-be "girlfriends" might flatter you with "No one else ever made me come like that" , "Other guys are so ..[...]"

It's not really the words they flatter with, it's the unctuous feeling of stickiness that comes along with them. You get an ego boost, but at the same time a feeling of uncertainty-- " What is she REALLY saying...?"

When she flips, and accuses you of being a demonic abuser who has ruined her life, and how now she really has to get back at you for the sake of humanity, it can be very, very debilitating-- especially from someone who's been saying totally sweet and endearing things to you.

[MikeCF]

This blog has a lot of great info on BPD:

http://shrink4men.wordpress.com/category...-disorder/