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11-28-2011, 11:04 AM
There are too many variables to judge whether or not a survey like this has any validity.
Japan is a weird place in some ways. Girls will often hide the fact that they have boyfriends until they are very serious. When and how were the surveys conducted? Were they done in private, or in front of friends, or even parents? I used to work with dozens of Japanese people. The ones that weren't married never talked about girlfriends or boyfriends. You just wouldn't know. It's not like N.A. where everyone likes to drop that fact in every second sentence.
I'm not saying that the survey is wildly inaccurate and that everyone is whoring around. I'm just saying it's probably not quite the same picture they are painting with it.
As for your conclusion that it's to do with "betaness increasing", well, Japan isn't really the land of alphas vs. betas. Status and money are extremely important here when it comes to getting married. Women often don't work after marriage and those who do have such shitty jobs that it barely makes a difference. One thing the women here want is the choice of not having to work. They look for a guy that is stable. A guy with a government job making $60k a year has more potential in landing a prime cut than the self-employed guy who's income varies between $60k and $80k. The lowly government job is a sign of stability and respect.
Being "alpha" and trying to be dominant all the time is not the way to score great girls here. Remember, it's Japan. There is nothing individualistic about this place like you have over there. Here, it's about being able to keep the harmony and do as your told without complaining.
Obviously, the "betas" who never go out will never meet anyone, and this is a current trend that is a 'problem'. Part of the issue is that there is a backlash of sorts. They call these guys "herbivores". It's hard to define exactly, but basically from what I understand, these are guys that have just stopped giving a shit about women. Being a married guy in Japan sucks in many ways. For lots of couples, it means being the wallet and not much more. If you get divorced, she takes the kids and that's the last you get to see of them. You're largely expected to disappear and that's that. If you do stay married, you go to work at 7am and come home at 9 or 10pm, eat your dinner and go to bed, all the time your wife is out enjoying coffee with her friends, taking tennis lessons and otherwise killing time because the housework takes up all of about 2 hours a day. They are busier with kids in the mix, but your life as a man doesn't change much. There is very little appeal to being married here, not because if she divorces you she can rake you over the coals like in N.A. but because married life itself really isn't that much fun.
At least that's how I see it.
One more thing about Japanese girls. For the most part, they're not into sex all that much. Yes, they will have it with you, but they have been taught from an early age that sex is something you let the guy have with you more than something you do with your guy. Watch a J porn and you'll see how half-limp the girl is most of the time. That is not too far from reality. She's enjoying it, but they are much much less actively involved in either seeking or participating. Even if she was a nymph, you'd barely realize it. They are to squelch the expression of their desires lest they appear slutty.
N.A. does seem to have a sluttier environment with 'empowered' women. The downside is obvious but the upside is that you've got women who are much more proactive in their sex lives than the women here. It's OK to go out and fuck a tonload of guy before getting married. For the married man, that's not so good, but the single guy, it's a pretty good deal - except for the fact that 8/10 are fat.
I don't know if I explained all of this very well. It's a complex situation and hard to put into words. In the end though, because 8/10 women here are not fat, that means that if you're a guy that IS getting laid, you're probably doing better than the average guy in N.A. is. Foreigners have their fan base so there's usually some around. You need to be aggressive sometimes insofar as at least getting out of the house, actively hunting them down somehow and making the first move (J girls are very passive and almost never make it very clear for you), but you don't need to be all that 'alpha'. If you have a good personality and are nice, yes I said "nice"!, then if you're in an environment where you're exposed to lots of girls, say at a large English school, you'll do alright.
Lots of "nice guys" do alright here because it's not considered a bad thing. But the nice guys who can never get themselves to make a move will never get a girl. Also, the nice guy thing only works on women you have a chance to interact with repeatedly. Being nice in bars doesn't get you very far.
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11-28-2011, 11:05 AM
Oh you think we're of the hook? We would have similar craptastic numbers also. Europe is shrinking, and USA and Canada would be shrinking if it we're not do to immigration.
Japan IMO is the end game of industrial/modernization. Where people become almost child like with the state serving as parent. The Japanese man serves little purpose to the big picture and has now evolved into a passive soft mess. To think this was the nation the produced some of the most rugged, brutal and fucked up solders during WWII now sits with a feeble class of Men whom look to bang robots or cartoons before their own native Women.
Most highly developed nations are facing the exact same problem. What difference is it for the American man if he is bounded by contract to a sexless marriage, vs the single sexless Japanese male who courts robots. Both are living in hell if you ask me.
The only positive I take from this is... Being an Alpha in Japan would be an amazing thing. These Women are still having sex, maybe less but those Alphas must be working like mules to satisfy them all. lol
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11-28-2011, 11:15 AM
OK, I guess the brainwashing about this 'alpha' thing isn't going to go away. LOL
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11-28-2011, 01:38 PM
Smoker, I'm skeptical of everything you say. Japanese girls aren't into sex? Japan is the land of "love hotels". I think regular Alpha game would work wonders there.
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11-28-2011, 02:34 PM
Haha. That's fine. Be skeptical all you want. I can only tell you what I observe and that is that this whole 'alpha' crap as described by Roissy and the like is too much for the average J girl. They require a more subdued approach. Alpha game as you know it will work on some, but you'll scare/offend the shit out of half the girls here.
And I tried to explain that they aren't "into sex" like N.A. women are. Japanese women are very shy in the bedroom (usually), are very passive. They do not let you know they want it nearly as much. Of course, they are human and humans like sex, but they have been taught to repress their sexuality even if they dress like whores half the time. The fact that they have sex doesn't mean they are into it the way you think of most women who are "into" it. If you can get them to be comfortable with you, maybe you can bring out the beast, but you won't see it like you do on western women.
Case in point, I banged a British girl and she was practically acting like a porn star. Couldn't keep her hands off me, grabbing my dick, telling me to fuck her hard, saying all sorts of stuff. I NEVER get J girls that act like she did. It made me miss home. LOL
Now if you want to argue that "having sex" and being "into sex" are the same thing, then knock yourself out. Either I am just not getting across what I'm trying to convey, I am but you aren't getting it, or I am and you just think I'm full of shit. Either way, I've tried to help by explaining things how I see them. You don't have to believe it.
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11-28-2011, 04:14 PM
+1 for Smoker. Good info.
For what its worth, Stefhen Bryan's perspectives in "Black Passenger, Yellow Cabs" seem to jive pretty well with Smoker's data, as do some other Japan sources I've read/watched online. The general gist of it all says that J-Girls are relatively passive compared to what we see in the West (though they CAN be opened up in private with some rapport building and cultural familiarity on a foreigners part), married life has lost its luster to many there (hence the article), being a salaryman is frikkin horrible (big part of why married life is suffering and sexless marriages are becoming more common there) and being a "nice guy" is not the death knell to your sex life there that it is here in the US.
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11-28-2011, 04:20 PM
I think it's kind of cool.
Refreshingly different from the western girlfriend-marriage-mortgage-burnout conveyor belt. Nice to know there are cultures out there that can act as a counterpoint. Even if the japanese are extremely weird in their own right.
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11-28-2011, 08:25 PM
"...If you get divorced, she takes the kids and that's the last you get to see of them. You're largely expected to disappear and that's that."
I actually learned about this reading about one of those international "kidnapping" cases, where an American man working in Japan married a national and had two children with her. When he was transferred back to the US, the wife decided she wanted to go back home and took the kids without saying a word to him. He followed her back and tried to take the kids back and was arrested. Apparently, there is no such thing as joint custody in Japan. The children are awarded to one parent, and that parent decides when, or IF you get to see the children. In international cases like this, they are pretty much guaranteed to favor a Japanese national. So for you guys that might be thinking about rolling over there to find a wife, keep this in mind.
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11-28-2011, 08:33 PM
Quote: (11-28-2011 08:29 PM)MiXX Wrote:
Quote: (11-28-2011 08:25 PM)Timoteo Wrote:
"...If you get divorced, she takes the kids and that's the last you get to see of them. You're largely expected to disappear and that's that."
I actually learned about this reading about one of those international "kidnapping" cases, where an American man working in Japan married a national and had two children with her. When he was transferred back to the US, the wife decided she wanted to go back home and took the kids without saying a word to him. He followed her back and tried to take the kids back and was arrested. Apparently, there is no such thing as joint custody in Japan. The children are awarded to one parent, and that parent decides when, or IF you get to see the children. In international cases like this, they are pretty much guaranteed to favor a Japanese national. So for you guys that might be thinking about rolling over there to find a wife, keep this in mind.
Wow - sounds like Japan is heaven sent! ![[Image: smile.gif]](https://rooshvforum.network/images/smilies/smile.gif)
A woman who disappears with the kids and does not hound you for child support and you never hear from her again?
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It's cool if you don't ever want to see or talk to your kids again. I'm not sure that if two Japanese nationals split, he won't still have to hit her off with child support though...
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11-28-2011, 11:05 PM
Japan is on my radar, I have not met a western guy who disliked the place. Some friends told me it was the best time of there lives the time they spent there, a close friend said he should have never left.
Articles like these I take with a grain of salt, not like North America is paradise!!
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11-29-2011, 12:12 AM
Are thai girls limp too? Or are they firery? I've only had one half-thai and she was pretty into it but had a whole bunch of traditional attitudes about relationships and sex that she assumed that I would know.
