[Deluge]

I did it randomly and got 79.

[iknowexactly]

(11-27-2011 10:41 PM)DLuzhin Wrote:  

If, magically, you were stranded on a desert island, you would instantaneously stop being smart or stupid since there was no one else around. You'd just be you.

But the smarter guy would have a better chance of figuring out how to distill rain water etc, and of surviving. How can that not be relevant?

[Samseau]

(04-02-2012 07:48 PM)Entropy Wrote:  

(04-02-2012 06:54 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

ICE CREAM!!!!!111!one!

TOTAL RESPECT for keeping it REAL!

If Gmanfesto is here, he probably post some like

I scored ____on the IQ test....I AM BETA?

Respect for Bortimus Prime. Props.

Your massive IQ failed you.

He was joking for sure man.



By the way Bortimus - Fucking hilarious post bro.

[Samseau]

Mike CF Wrote:

When I was young, I bought the Mensa IQ test. Did it to terms. "Passed," as in the booklet said, "You'd probably qualify if you took our official test."

Now you'd have to pay me to take an IQ test.

The more accomplished you get, the less you talk about an IQ number and the more you talk about what you've done, seen, and experienced in life.

I am glad that I noticed, in my 20s, that older people who always talk about IQ are usually the guys who haven't done much in life.

Versus

Mike CF Wrote:

IQ is correlated with nearly every possible life outcome.

If you're in a group of people, they will tend to congregate among IQ levels.

This is true even of sports fans. The higher IQ guys will have a deeper knowledge of the game. They'll understand its history, know player statistics, and be able to explain underlying strategies, etc.

Spot the discrepancy

[Entropy]

he was joking? then he really did got me. even more props to him.

after all this time, i still struggle with american humour. Nicely done.

(P.S is it true that average african american IQ is 80? or something like that?)

(04-03-2012 10:31 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(04-02-2012 07:48 PM)Entropy Wrote:  

(04-02-2012 06:54 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

ICE CREAM!!!!!111!one!

TOTAL RESPECT for keeping it REAL!

If Gmanfesto is here, he probably post some like

I scored ____on the IQ test....I AM BETA?

Respect for Bortimus Prime. Props.

Your massive IQ failed you.

He was joking for sure man.



By the way Bortimus - Fucking hilarious post bro.

[drymarro]

(04-03-2012 11:06 AM)Entropy Wrote:  

he was joking? then he really did got me. even more props to him.

after all this time, i still struggle with american humour. Nicely done.

(P.S is it true that average african american IQ is 80? or something like that?)

Yes. The extremely low number indicates he wouldn't be able to produce posts on a game forum. Or the fact that he said "ice cream 11111" haha

I don't know about that statistic but sounds about right.


BTW here's a link for the Dual N-back program because I know a lot of people nowadays are lazy: http://brainworkshop.sourceforge.net/

[_DC_]

“Just think of how stupid the average person is, and then realize half of them are even stupider!” ~George Carlin

Anyway, the whole race/IQ thing is obviously a heated issue. You can't deny the facts though, some races do better and some worse on culture fair tests such as the above.

I think its silly to deny that there are differences in IQ, just like there are differences in athletic performance for certain sports, or aptitudes for singing, or math, etc etc. Certain races may be slightly better at some things more than other races. People get crucified for saying so, but why deny the facts. How many black players vs. white players in the NBA for instance?

As far as IQ between the races though, I believe if you control for household income, the difference almost disappears.

The important thing is to treat everyone on their own merits. The fact that an average of a race of 1 billion people is slightly different than a race of another 1 billion people, should have a very small bearing on any individual in either population. There are black MIT physicists and there are white NFL receivers (and running backs!), the best of the best.

[MikeCF]

(04-03-2012 10:32 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Spot the discrepancy

Never said IQ doesn't matter. I said it doesn't matter (for life outcomes) as much as people think...if your IQ is over 110.

Note I didn't say, "Anyone can do anything."

Nuance man.

[alphamale87]

I think you guys are looking at this too black and white. An IQ test is not the best indication of a person's intelligence. It can't measure or take into account other talents and natural proclivities people possess. That being said, the finest girls I've pulled have been a result of me proving(indirectly) that
1. I am smarter/more talented than they are
2. I am more worldly(travel etc.) and self motivated

You don't have to be a nuclear physicist to understand that it's not about how smart you are, it's about how you utilize and display your strengths. Read more books, increase your vocabulary, learn an instrument. These things don't require you to be incredibly smart but will nonetheless give you the tools to improve yourself, and provide the appearance that you are in fact intelligent. Hard work > intelligence. Any day. You think master musicians like Beethoven who was deaf would do well on that stupid test? Or how about a scientist like Einstein who couldn't pass high school algebra?

In summary, I do think intelligence is incredibly important if you want to lay the most beautiful women. I've had a persian 9 literally tell me "Intelligence is what gets me wet. The more smart and motivated the man is, the more I want him."

[Entropy]

On the whole race/IQ thing.

#1. If you are a solid human being, IQ80 or not, i dont give a shite. I will roll with you. Nobody is perfect, we all have our flaws as human beings.

Point #2. If any of these girls(below) have an IQ of 80...i dont give a damn. I do HIT it soo hard i will create another cavity in their body. IQ 80 or not, that wont hold me back from hitting all of these(preferably in an orgy....with me being the only male there, of course....).





(same girl)

[BortimusPrime]

I have a sneaking suspicion that "racial IQ" has more to do with relative testosterone levels by race, and said hormone's effect on the ability of a kid to pay attention to a boring test. Same bullshit being used now to claim that males are inherently inferior because they can't pay attention in school once the school cuts out recess to avoid lawsuits.

[drymarro]

(04-04-2012 01:19 AM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

I have a sneaking suspicion that "racial IQ" has more to do with relative testosterone levels by race, and said hormone's effect on the ability of a kid to pay attention to a boring test. Same bullshit being used now to claim that males are inherently inferior because they can't pay attention in school once the school cuts out recess to avoid lawsuits.

I think it's more with how evolution played out. Think about it:

In Africa, you survived by being taller, stronger, faster, having a bigger penis(no lie).

In Europe, it was always who could be smarter.

Survival of the fittest. That's what happened. Just in 2 different ways.

[Greek kamaki]

Intelligence matters a lot when dealing with women.If you do not calibrate good enough a woman's intelligence you are in for surprises.A less intelligent will view you as weird and a more intelligent will view you as dumb.So the whoile point is to display intelligence slightly above than that of the woman so to appear that there is indeed chemistry.

Of course the average guy with average intelligence is not going to like that because if you dumb down your level you can appeal to the same intelligence population as him with the difference that this population is vastly more abundant.So he will naturally want to disclose and expose you and your game.A less intelligent guy is far less likely to succeed in appearing more intelligent than he really is while a more intelligent guy can easily downplay his intelligence.From the view of the less intelligent guy this is unfair.

On the other hand there are some intelligent women who may prefer the less intelligent caveman because they combine him with more primitive and satisfactory sexual performance so in any case the more intelligent guy is going to have less sex if he does not take drastic measures to counterbalance.

[ElJefe]

Hmm... I took the test 8 years ago (when I was 17)... think I scored the same. I still remembered most of the questions, but I was screwed on the last two.

Still... my brain did feel fuzzy. I wonder if that's what 8 years of binge drinking does to you?[/align]

   

[Entropy]

We've crowned a new winner: 135. nicely done.

I wonder who is going to score 140?

You were screwed on the last two? you are not the only one. Trying to solve problems number 36 to 39, each problem per a minute, wasnt soo easy for me.

(p.s. correct me here, but are you saying you've seen this specific set of questions before? Not fair to the rest of us! hahahaha. )

Still, 135 is a good score. Congrats. You are the new top dog.

I always knew you will have a good score, i correctly pegged you in this post:

(04-02-2012 01:15 AM)Entropy Wrote:  

.........
( i am curious how mikecf, eljefe, cgs, el mechanico(that creative motherfucker), joehoya, and at350zguyy stacks up in terms of IQ points....).....

(04-04-2012 06:49 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

Hmm... I took the test 8 years ago (when I was 17)... think I scored the same. I still remembered most of the questions, but I was screwed on the last two.

Still... my brain did feel fuzzy. I wonder if that's what 8 years of binge drinking does to you?[/align]

[Samseau]

(04-03-2012 12:28 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:32 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Spot the discrepancy

Never said IQ doesn't matter. I said it doesn't matter (for life outcomes) as much as people think...if your IQ is over 110.

Note I didn't say, "Anyone can do anything."

Nuance man.

Aha, I see. Wasn't sure to what degree you valued IQ.


And damn, there are quite a few of us high IQ players here...

[ElJefe]

Thanks for the words, Entropy. I think the upper-limit for that test must be 145 or 150. I answered the first 30 questions in about 10 minutes, so i had plently of time to think about the last 9... some of them had changed a bit. But 135 is the best I've ever done on a 15-scale. My mom is 137 and my Dad is 133, I think.

Calvin Coolidge has a great quote:

Nothing in this world can take the place of persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful people with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent.

A high IQ score has done absolutely ZILCH for me in life. At least in terms of achievements I can be proud of. I'd happily have traded a few points for more smarts in other areas of life.

All else being equal, high IQ is terrific. It's just one of many qualities a person can have. But in human society, it's not what you know but who know that counts. You can be a top-level achiever, work your ass off, and get to the top. You can also just know the right people, and get to the top with less effort. Not no effort. But less. It's just easier if you know folks. The SMART guy knows the right people. He works hard, but he also realizes we're humans, and you must find and connect with the high-status individuals if you want to do well, because they have all the power. Social, financial, or some other kind.

When I was Pdog's age, I was an irrationally arrogant and disagreeable person to many of my peers (not all, but many) and for years I was so used to hearing from teachers and my Mom that I was such a smart kid that I sub-conciously shunned other qualities that are at least if not more important than high IQ. In high school, I had better relationships with my teachers than with my classmates. On the surface, I prentended to not care and gave off the impression of only being concerned with achieving my goals. The truth was that I was very sensitive to not being popular, but I lacked the social skills to deal with it. Reading Gmanifesto's blog, I get the feeling I was the exact opposite to him. He shares stories of apparently irrational behavior and has an irritating tendency to capitalize nouns in his posts, stuff I would have thought less of him for before. Not today.

My take? A sub-category of high IQ people, I believe they are predominantly ENTPs (intellectuals), have the ability to come across as agreeable or disagreeable. It really depends on the social skills they were taught and what role models they had when small. I believe a lot of guys who get into game were these types. Highly intelligent, but they couldn't wrap their heads around why they were CONSTANTLY fucking up. Excuse me if I am projecting. This was my experience, but it seems common in here. I think guys of this brand are the most likely to seek out answers to the challenge, and that's why so many of them end up here. I'd be willing my personality type is pretty darn close to the mean and median in terms of the distribution of "player" types. And I ain't no player. I'm still up in my head too much. I am getting better, but I still try to engang women logically. That's a mistake, not just for American women, but women anywhere. The way to engage a woman is emotionally and sexually. That's why you can make a Brazilian girl fall in love with you in just a couple of days even if you can hardly communicate with words.

Other highly intelligent guys I know do just fine, but they aren't really intellectuals to the same degree. He doesn't enjoy just letting his imagination run wild. These guys do naturally better with women and at life in general, I think, because they live in the present and do not use intelligence to compensate for short-comings in other areas of their lives. Not trying to paint an overly rosy picture. Everyone has good and bad sides. I keep on using the word "character"... people with good character are often less imaginative, less ambitious, less decisive. I am working on improving mine, but I don't lack imagination, ambition and I make decisions fast. Becoming just a great guy is kind of a goal in and of itself to me, the kind of person whom people automatically trust.

I am 25 now, and only JUST beginning to really see the world as it is, and I still have blind spots all over the place, I still fuck up, I still give off some of those less than agreeable vibes that just turn the girls off.

For the amount of brains, ambition and imagination I have, I have achieved remarkably little. I got lazy and did not value basic principles of character that are, I think, critical if you want success in life. I feel like a dunce for only learning this now.

Christ, 100 years ago a man of my age would be well on his way to being able to provide for an entire family. I can barely provide for myself. So in a way, I'm still just a boy. I'm just much more aware of at what point one is no longer just a kid, but an adult - not just financially, but in other ways as well.

So I'm actively trying to "raise" myself again, erasing faulty programming, keeping the good stuff (like my insatiable intellectual curiosity) from before, and replacing the bad stuff with better "software". It's extremely difficult, seeing how some of this stuff is hard-wired into since you were a toddler. A habit is like a river, and if it's been there since forever, like the Grand Canyon, it's really set it's mark on the landscape and who you are. Changing old, bad habits is a real challenge.

Still, I believe my best years have yet to come.

[lurker123123]

(04-04-2012 10:55 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

I still give off some of those less than agreeable vibes that just turn the girls off.

Interesting post. Can you elaborate on what type of vibes you are talking about?

[Entropy]

(04-04-2012 11:30 AM)lurker123123 Wrote:  

(04-04-2012 10:55 AM)ElJefe Wrote:  

I still give off some of those less than agreeable vibes that just turn the girls off.

Interesting post. Can you elaborate on what type of vibes you are talking about?

Actually, i have a picture of the young ELJEFE with his "attitude" problem. Dont believe me? Check it below...especially the poster presentation.

[Entropy]

(04-04-2012 10:23 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 12:28 PM)MikeCF Wrote:  

(04-03-2012 10:32 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Spot the discrepancy

Never said IQ doesn't matter. I said it doesn't matter (for life outcomes) as much as people think...if your IQ is over 110.

Note I didn't say, "Anyone can do anything."

Nuance man.

Aha, I see. Wasn't sure to what degree you valued IQ.


And damn, there are quite a few of us high IQ players here...

Of course! what do you think ROOSHVFORUM is? the comment section of ROISSY?

[ElJefe]

(04-04-2012 11:30 AM)lurker123123 Wrote:  

Interesting post. Can you elaborate on what type of vibes you are talking about?

Tough question... you're asking for a self-diagnosis!

Buddy, if I knew exactly, I'd be the one writing and selling books on game!

But I'll share my two cents. This is going to be long-winded.

I think it has to do with how good you are at creating trust with others.

Do you put people at ease? Do others find it easy to confide in you? Do they trust you to do right? Do they look to you for leadership?

I remember in junior high I'd get furious inside when the popular, but smart-ass kid, often good with the girls, would win some kind of vote of confidence for some kind of leadership role, in class, or PE, whenever. I really felt like that should've been me. On matters of intelligence, the other kids would always ask me, but I cared about the other stuff at leas as much. One episode really branded itself in my head:

I was 11, and looking over the shoulders' of the two most attractive girls in my class. They were looking at the class photo, pointing a finger at each boy, going "hot, not, cool, uncool"... when they got to a guy who I really didn't like, because he was such a smart-ass (but no intellectual smarts. See what I'm doing here? It's like an inferiority complex. I resent him for him being himself and "better" than me). They pointed at this kid, and it was like "Oh, he's so COOL!".

Then me:

"UNCOOL!!!!". That really stuck. I was in the same class as these people until I graduated at 18. What a dummy I was. If I had had an ounce of balls, I would've left that place as soon as I lost my acne, braces, etc...

Anyways... the vibe I think I give, subconciously is:

1. Negativity. Too much criticism. My father especially is very critical guy and generally unpleasant to be around. This, among other things, destroyed his career.
2. Opinionated. It's bad if you share them too much, because people don't really care about your opinions even if you do. Typical smart guy mistake.
3. Brusque, judgmental. It's good and important to be candid. Even brutally honest. Just balance it with consideration. Too many rough edges, not very amiable. Say the wrong things at the wrong time rather than the right things, especially when talking to women. I shut people down for some stupid reason when I should be more sensitive, not judge, just listen.
4. Intense. My head is a constant whirlwind of thoughts and images. I am scatter-brained and very much inside my head, always thinking, interpreting, analyzing, reflecting. Not very much in the moment. Counter-productive if you're looking to engage a woman sexually and emotionally. She doesn't feel like she can relax and be at ease with you.

The above is just some stuff...

Each one is the opposite of the first things I wrote: I think a lot of that stuff would come naturally to me, but I need to actively make a habit of doing and saying something different than I've been doing till now.

I definitely think I'm an extreme case, and I became especially aware of my short-comings this past year when I set up an online profile. I took the best I knew from game and WHAM! Hot girls were lining up to talk to me, which on the net is a miracle, seeing how the ratio is like at least 3:1 in terms of active profiles in my age group.

Never had so many attractive girls interested in getting to know more.

I only banged 2, out of... probably 25. It was weird - from their first messages you'd think it was like shooting fish in a barrel. As it turned out, I still did better going out on weekends than I did on the net.

I think each time I messed up, it was due to a bad habit. So now I've begun to really look at those habits.

For some guys, that stuff is beyond basic (ElMech, Pusscrook, Gmanifesto, first to come to mind). For me, it's just stupid shit I automatically do. It can be bad if I've had too much to drink and I forget to behave myself. Then I can really fuck my life up - and I've done so. Numerous times.

[Greek kamaki]

Less intelligent people are get laid more.This is proven.For example about 50% of Harvard students are virgins if I remember well a recent study.

http://www.psychologytoday.com/articles/...ntercourse

Intelligence can in many cases hinder the road to pussy in unexpected ways.This is sth to take into account.

[drymarro]

El Jefe. Thanks for opening up to us. I know it isn't easy.

You're a pretty smart dude, and deserve more in life. I like you. Check your pm.

[lurker123123]

ditto. thanks el jefe interesting story/analysis

[lavidaloca]

I'm qualified for Mensa based on my lsat score. I believe to get into mensa your equated IQ has to be over 132. Doesn't mean much. What I think is essential is that you focus on things that will make you successful.

Example 1: Guy 1 has a 140 IQ
-Goes to university and studies Philosophy or Art History. Goes on to be a professor at a semi-recognized school.

Example 2: Guy 2 has a 110 IQ
-Goes to Business school studies economics and finance and is now in the push to become the next VP.

The key is seeing the options available and picking the best one. IQ has nothing to do with that.