[Aliblahba]

There's some buzz in my camp of potential jobs coming up in the OZ. The one specific is working in the interior and living in Perth. S.W. Australia seems a bit barren compared to it's Eastern counterpart. Some of my mates are applying to the positions. I wouldn't rule it out due to the pay, but making a blind move to a city can be disastrous, as I've learned the hard way.

I'm curious to hear from the Aussie players on their opinion on Perth. Specifically:

1. Cost of living compared to the rest of OZ.
2. General quality of life.
3. Ease of pulling tail compared to the Gold Coast.
4. Chance of pulling hot Eskimo chicks.


I polled a lot of Aussie's on my travels and the consensus was to hit Perth or Brisbane to maximize the amount of ass. Regardless of my decision I'd like to give my coworkers some better insight before they make the jump.

In all, I'm asking if you would be willing to live in Perth long term? Thanks in advance for your advice. Cheers!

[Sushifan]

Perth is a nice city for a week, but after that you'll be bored to tears. And you're very isolated in WA.

You're much better off in Sydney, Melbourne, or Brisbane/Gold Coast.

[scotian]

Interesting topic, apparently there is quite a bit of resource extraction type work in western OZ these days, some major engineering companies from there put on a big career fair to recruit tradesmen/engineers in my city here in Canada. I'd love to work in a place that doesn't have winter!!!

Check out the website http://www.seek.com.au lots of jobs on there.

[Laner]

I spent a couple weeks out there looking around for work and seeing if I wanted to live there. I had a girl who was from there and she thought she wanted to move back (she didnt). So we checked it out.

It is super isolated, but there is everything there that you need. Except people. It can feel really dead at times.

The people are cool, but the women are much hotter in Sydney and Melbourne. I had a small advantage being from Canada, and having Tasmania plates on my motorcycle. But nothing to get excited about.

The mines around Kalgoorlie are where a lot of the resource work is located. It is the Fort Mac of Oz. Any time you venture outside of the coast of Australia, you enter hell. I would take a Canadian winter over an outback summer any day.

South of Perth is amazing, lush, green, beaches, etc. World class surfing down in Margeret River and the area around Albany on the south coast is amazing (Esperence, Denmark, etc)

You are about the same distance to Singapore as to Sydney. Either way its a long ways out.

If you head north Broome is a couple days away in the (surprise) middle of nowhere.

[Deb Auchery]

I heard miners make a fortune in Perth, you could save a decent wedge then move somewhere else.

[Pilgrim37]

(11-14-2011 01:13 PM)Sushifan Wrote:  

Perth is a nice city for a week, but after that you'll be bored to tears. And you're very isolated in WA.

You're much better off in Sydney, Melbourne, or Brisbane/Gold Coast.

Remember he'll have a job,so days of the week filled.

I guess it depends if you love the outdoor life and beach.

A couple of my friends are from there,one moved to Sydney.The other to London.

From what they tell me it's very spread out,you need a car ,miles and miles of suburban sprawl.

[Hooligan Harry]

Standard of living in Australia is one of the highest in the world now, although cost of living is getting much higher. Perth is more expensive than any other city bar Sydney. Its because we are so far from the other cities and it costs a lot to ship things in. There is that, but there are also the skill shortages which have pushed wages up a hell of a lot. Unemployment is very low, far low than reported, as Australia has its fair share of welfare bludgers who prefer to live off welfare instead of working.

Quality of life is is very, very high in Perth. I would argue probably the best in the country. Its not great for single guys though and Perth is better for families and people who want to retire somewhere. Nightlife is average and would be well behind Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane. If you are not into the outdoors or dont play sports you wont have much to really do after a while. Im into big game fishing, but also play rugby and I like to hike. So Perth suits me, although if not for family and the amount of money running around in this state I would probably be on the east coast where there really is more on the go. Not to mention that Perth and the people who live here like it quiet. Stores generally close at 17:30 with only basic convenience stores open after that. No daylight savings here, the old people did not want it and the young mothers complain it keeps the kids up. Daylight savings was such a major issue they had a state referendum. This is the sort of place it is. Small village mentality in a quickly developing big city.

People either come here to raise their families, make a lot of money or take it easy. Its not small, population of over 1.5 million, but the population is spread 150km north to south along the coast with Perth in the middle. Everyone wants the beach home with the boat in the yard. You also have to have a car out here. Public transport is good, but it would be unrealistic to expect them to service sprawl like this.

There is money here though. Big money.

Aussie women are sluts wherever you go. When I think Australian women I think:

- Drunkard
- Fucks everything in sight
- Swears like a trooper, is loud and has no class at all
- Wears too much makeup, dresses like an idiot and has an obsession with cheap, shitty tattoos.
- Generally quite stupid, easily entertained but quickly bored, loves reality TV and celebrity gossip, thinks its entitled to fuck around until its a worn out shoe in its early 30's before it deserves the 4X2 house with the stay at home mum job.

Thankfully, there are a lot of foreign women here too.

[Sangfroid]

(11-14-2011 09:37 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Thankfully, there are a lot of foreign women here too.

A lot of 'em or a little? From where? If they're mostly Asian, I'm not interested, but other guys might be. Thanks for the rundown so far.

[T and A Man]

I live in Perth, so here is story.

Firstly, it is completely devoid of culture. The only real social outlets are daytime sports, (which it is well suited for because for only around 40 days of the year is doesn't have sunshine) and binge drinking. There is one medium sized night life area called northbridge, and a few small niche areas such as fremantle, subiaco, leederville and mt lawley. That's it.

However it is the mining and oil&gas capital of Australia, and if you can get into these industries, you can make a ton of money.

Even on mining, a person with zero skills can start as a drillers assistant on $AU80,000 per year, generally being able to pass a mickey mouse qualification within 6-12 months to become a driller to be one $120k+ per year. Heavy truck drivers start on $110k per year, and specialised geologists start around $280k per year.

Generally these are FIFO positions(fly-in, fly-out - commute from a city, to stay on the camp site in a donga, accomodation like a shipping container). These also tend to be the wages for standard rosters such as 12 days in camp, 9 days back in Perth (or other area). Guys who can tough it out like 6 weeks on, 1 week off can earn around 250% more.

That said there is a condition in Australia called 'going troppo', where you get 90 consecutive days of 40 deg. celsius (104F) and 85% humidity. People do commit suicide over it.

Now for your questions.

1. Cost of living compared to the rest of OZ. - One of the most expensive in the world. I travelled to Paris in March, it is cheaper than Perth for everything except fuel for your car. But high wages do compensate.

2. General quality of life. - Very high, also with socialised medicine in Australia, it has ther best state health system (poor quality state education system, but not a factor for you). Clean air, extremely clean city with probably the lowest level of street litter anywhere in the world. Australians do tend to avoid littering (well in their own cities at least). You will most likely need a car if staying for any duration.

3. Ease of pulling tail compared to the Gold Coast. - Perth is easy, very easy, abounds in sluts.

The last factor I would add, the FIFO thing can be a good play for a long term stay. The amount of air traffic generated from FIFO means the two airports here at near capacity. Companies are keen to now have GOOD employees domicile elsewhere, even as far a Thailand, and people do Melbourne, Brisbane and New Zealand, and Bali is common. Remember the Aussie dollar is now worth more than the US dollar, so getting an Aussie pay packet in countries like Thailand and Indonesia is phenominal.

However your best bet for entry into one of these companies is Perth, whereas near impossible to obtain employment FROM Thailand or Indonesia. However if you demonstrate you're a good employee, after around 12 months you can try for these arrangements to relocate.

The last question, most short term foreigners here are Asian, via tertiary education. Most with continental european heritage are children of immigrants, but many first generation British, and more recently irish immigrants are in Perth. There is a sprinkling of east african immigrants coming through as refugees. Most latinas in Perth are male in my experience, ESL student visa types who want to fuck Aussie chicks basically.

[Deluge]

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Its not great for single guys though and Perth is better for families and people who want to retire somewhere. Nightlife is average and would be well behind Sydney, Melbourne and Brisbane.

I've found Sydney to be the best for swooping girls, then Melbourne. Never been to Gold Coast though. Your spot on with the rest of your post.

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The people are cool, but the women are much hotter in Sydney and Melbourne.

This.

Gold Coast is smaller than Perth, but I've heard it has a lot better nightlife. Plenty of beach babes in Gold Coast, better for swooping then Brisbane for sure.

Perth is getting more and more expensive because of the mining boom. Gold Coast would be a lot cheaper. Sydney is pretty expensive, Melbourne's a little cheaper but not by much.

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I travelled to Paris in March, it is cheaper than Perth for everything except fuel for your car.

According to Expatistan, even Melbourne has the same cost of living as NYC. So Perth would be nuts.

As an Aussie, I'd say Sydney, Melbourne and Gold Coast are alright for swooping, the rest of Australia isn't worth it.

BTW, anyone from Melbourne on this thread PM me.

[T and A Man]

Yeah, to be honest with such a high exchange rate, Australia right now really doesn't offer anything that the rest of the world doesn't at a cheaper price and nowhere is as isolated as Australia except NZ.

And there is no reason to come to Australia for the women.

Unless you're working in Mining or Oil & Gas, where it can springboard you to bounce around SE Asia for half a decade on decent money, then outside of a relationship with friends, Australia has no reason to visit at this point in time.

[Deluge]

If you have cash Sydney is worth a visit. The only other global city with such great nightlife, beaches and decent women is Barcelona.

[Deb Auchery]

I lived in Oz for one year. I would only visit now for business purposes, too damn expensive

[Aliblahba]

(11-14-2011 01:31 PM)scotian Wrote:  

Check out the website http://www.seek.com.au lots of jobs on there.

Thanks bro. I'll pass this site onto my mates.

(11-14-2011 09:37 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Its not great for single guys though and Perth is better for families and people who want to retire somewhere.

Yeah but with 1.5M inhabitants there's got to be more than enough targets running around.......right? Or is it a shitty ratio?

Aussie women are sluts wherever you go. When I think Australian women I think:

- Drunkard
- Fucks everything in sight
- Swears like a trooper, is loud and has no class at all
- Wears too much makeup, dresses like an idiot and has an obsession with cheap, shitty tattoos.
- Generally quite stupid, easily entertained but quickly bored, loves reality TV and celebrity gossip, thinks its entitled to fuck around until its a worn out shoe in its early 30's before it deserves the 4X2 house with the stay at home mum job.

This does get annoying, but I like easy whores. I'm getting too old to put too much effort into getting laid.

(11-15-2011 12:01 AM)T and A Man Wrote:  

I live in Perth, so here is story.

Firstly, it is completely devoid of culture. The only real social outlets are daytime sports, (which it is well suited for because for only around 40 days of the year is doesn't have sunshine) and binge drinking. There is one medium sized night life area called northbridge, and a few small niche areas such as fremantle, subiaco, leederville and mt lawley. That's it.

However it is the mining and oil&gas capital of Australia, and if you can get into these industries, you can make a ton of money.

Even on mining, a person with zero skills can start as a drillers assistant on $AU80,000 per year, generally being able to pass a mickey mouse qualification within 6-12 months to become a driller to be one $120k+ per year. Heavy truck drivers start on $110k per year, and specialised geologists start around $280k per year.

Generally these are FIFO positions(fly-in, fly-out - commute from a city, to stay on the camp site in a donga, accomodation like a shipping container). These also tend to be the wages for standard rosters such as 12 days in camp, 9 days back in Perth (or other area). Guys who can tough it out like 6 weeks on, 1 week off can earn around 250% more.

That said there is a condition in Australia called 'going troppo', where you get 90 consecutive days of 40 deg. celsius (104F) and 85% humidity. People do commit suicide over it.

Now for your questions.

1. Cost of living compared to the rest of OZ. - One of the most expensive in the world. I travelled to Paris in March, it is cheaper than Perth for everything except fuel for your car. But high wages do compensate.

2. General quality of life. - Very high, also with socialised medicine in Australia, it has ther best state health system (poor quality state education system, but not a factor for you). Clean air, extremely clean city with probably the lowest level of street litter anywhere in the world. Australians do tend to avoid littering (well in their own cities at least). You will most likely need a car if staying for any duration.

3. Ease of pulling tail compared to the Gold Coast. - Perth is easy, very easy, abounds in sluts.

The last factor I would add, the FIFO thing can be a good play for a long term stay. The amount of air traffic generated from FIFO means the two airports here at near capacity. Companies are keen to now have GOOD employees domicile elsewhere, even as far a Thailand, and people do Melbourne, Brisbane and New Zealand, and Bali is common. Remember the Aussie dollar is now worth more than the US dollar, so getting an Aussie pay packet in countries like Thailand and Indonesia is phenominal.

However your best bet for entry into one of these companies is Perth, whereas near impossible to obtain employment FROM Thailand or Indonesia. However if you demonstrate you're a good employee, after around 12 months you can try for these arrangements to relocate.

The last question, most short term foreigners here are Asian, via tertiary education. Most with continental european heritage are children of immigrants, but many first generation British, and more recently irish immigrants are in Perth. There is a sprinkling of east african immigrants coming through as refugees. Most latinas in Perth are male in my experience, ESL student visa types who want to fuck Aussie chicks basically.

Great info T and A Man. Living in the Phils or Thailand would be more agreeable perhaps. I'd have to poke my head into Perth before making a move. Lots of easy chicks sounds good though. I've been working in the ME for years and am accustomed to the extreme heat, but it still sucks.

I love to surf and fish, so I'd stay somewhat entertained in that aspect.

Anyway, I'll have more questions for sure. Many thanks to all for the solid contributions on this thread. I always appreciate your guys information posted.

Again, gracias mis hermanos!!!

[T and A Man]

Just to add further, this article from the WSJ is a pretty good summation.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424...69312.html

Mandurah is a coastal suburb on the southern extremities of Perth.

[garygroundwork]

some say Perth has the hottest and easiest girls in Oz. Lots of $$ there.

[Deluge]

Girls are easy all over Australia. And the hottest girls are undoubtedly on the east coast with the exception of Canberra and maybe Brisbane.

[garygroundwork]

ive never been to perth but seen lots of hot women in sydney and on the gold coast.

[Viralata]

If you're interested in work in Oz in mining, oil or gas... a good resource to checkout is MiscoJobs.com

I have no affiliation with the site, but my company has posted jobs on it a few times with good results.

[T and A Man]

Sydney has traditionally been the place for the hottest chicks, but they have really high bitch shields. Mainly because it is the finance and media capital of Australia, and it has set higher standards.

Gold Coast is a vaccuous region, like a cheap, diluted Miami or Santa Monica. But I can not emphasise enough, it is really cheap and tacky, but the women there are really stupid while Barbie-ing themselves up woth implants, tanning beds and hair dye. Put it this way, the meter maids there walk around in gold bikinis. Brisbane is up the road and the breeding stock is different, Gold Coast is mainly a region of interstate immigrants, Brisbane are the long term locals. Queensland still doesn't have chlorine in their water supply, thus looking at the locals teeth is like a Dickens' novel.

Melbourne tends to be more of a hipster zone, it likes to label itself a cultural capital, but this is just them bigging themselves up. They are the wanker capital. A nice place for fellow Australisn to visit, however I can't think of a reason to visit for foreigners unless they are horse racing fanatics.

Perth used to have a large number of nice chicks. Like small countries, Perth was isolated and with limited breeding options, something about a limited gene pool gave a good stock of 6.5's and 7's and they did have really easy going personalities. However, Australia has succumb to the obesity epidemic and a raft of American rom-coms and SATC and implanted a (greater) entitlement syndrome. They still aren't princesses like Sydney though.

The amusing thing here, there was a very weak indigenous concept of shit-testing amongst the women, as I said they are very easy going. They seem to shit test because they see it in things like SATC and feel they have to emulate it to prove some sort of ' strong and independent' credentials, instead of it being an alpha male filter. So the shit testing you do get is pretty puerile and easily overcome. Once you overcome their efforts, they get tingles, and that is why they are easy.

[Deluge]

(11-20-2011 08:00 PM)T and A Man Wrote:  

Melbourne tends to be more of a hipster zone, it likes to label itself a cultural capital, but this is just them bigging themselves up. They are the wanker capital. A nice place for fellow Australisn to visit, however I can't think of a reason to visit for foreigners unless they are horse racing fanatics.

Spot on post, but I don't like the Melbourne bashing After Sydney Melbourne is naturally the best place in Australia to visit. And Melbourne girls are more agreeable than Sydney girls, but like you said less hot.

+1 dude

[bface]

I have been at gold coast for six months now and can't wait to get out of here.

Cool for holidays, but I wouldn't want to live in this police state. Plus there is nothing apart from the beaches. Nothing... That's why everyone drinks here.

[Deluge]

Swing down to Bond University and nail some slutty private school girls.

[Aliblahba]

I'm still digesting the info on this thread. Finding job info in the OZ is a lot easier than Brazil, fo sho!!!

[Pilgrim37]

(11-20-2011 09:26 PM)bface Wrote:  

I have been at gold coast for six months now and can't wait to get out of here.

Cool for holidays, but I wouldn't want to live in this police state. Plus there is nothing apart from the beaches. Nothing... That's why everyone drinks here.

Everything I've heard from friends confirms this.
Unless you have a job and family or connections,or are only interested in lying on the beach all day,every day you will get rapidly...BORED.