[Richie]

I have never been to Ukraine but if you have too much swag you might come across as a bit of a douchebag... even if you arnt. Over confident men with bad jeans and trainer will bomb. Suave and sophisticated might be the way to go. More Ryan Gosling less Tom Cruise.

[Marco]

(11-22-2011 01:05 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 12:39 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

tell them you have a house in Turkey by the Sea or something

I'm confused here DB. Even if it was true that you had a palace by the sea in <insert exotic country> suited for royalty, telling girls you have it is a surefire sign of insecurity, and begging for her approval and acceptance of you.

Why do you feel he needs to oversell himself in Ukraine seeking her approval? Is this the norm of what is effective game in Ukraine? verbally stating your (perceived) wealth?


Mixx

Mixx this is the known game in US and generally in the west, but in Ukraine it is much more simple, especially with the tier 2/3 cities girls, they are naive and they are poor in western standard so it is working to sell yourself in that way.
Go direct, I use to say to them: "I am well off and looking for a bride" and they like it.

LS, I wrote already on scenarios that girls will not look at me, when I approach they were cold at start but as night goes own same exact girl end up in my arms, you need to show confidence.
I did not have such success as DA but I know you can do it if you stay for a while and learn how it goes there.

[Spartan]

(11-22-2011 01:05 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 12:39 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

tell them you have a house in Turkey by the Sea or something

Is this the norm of what is effective game in Ukraine? verbally stating your (perceived) wealth?


Mixx

Yes.
Ukraine is different. Mamba.ru has a section where you can list your car and cell phone models.
It is for this reason that I am getting an Iphone.

Ukrainian women want a man who is educated, financially secure, and fucks them, a lot.
Its not that they are less demanding than western women, its just that their demands are different.

[MiXX]

(11-22-2011 05:19 PM)Spartan Wrote:  

Ukrainian women want a man who is educated, financially secure, and fucks them, a lot.

Every woman wants this, it's not exclusive to Ukrainian women, but I never heard of women liking a man to verbally "show-off" his material possessions being a turn-on. It's usually the opposite effect.

It's just like the Russian woman I was dancing with one time telling me that she left her $600.00USD Gucci bag at the bar and has to go get it. WTF? Saying she left her bag and needs to go get it was enough, why does she have to tell em what it costs like I give a shit? That just sounds so approval-seeking, needy behavior to me.

What am I failing to understand here fellas..???

Mixx

[worldwidetraveler]

(11-22-2011 05:48 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

It's just like the Russian woman I was dancing with one time telling me that she left her $600.00USD Gucci bag at the bar and has to go get it. WTF? Saying she left her bag and needs to go get it was enough, why does she have to tell em what it costs like I give a shit? That just sounds so approval-seeking, needy behavior to me.

Sounds pretty common in Ukraine, Mixx. The women there would rather spend their entire monthly income on a Gucci bag instead of food.

They do like to show off.

Definitely a crab mentality there. Your best friends will love you until you start doing well for yourself and all of the sudden will talk shit.

If you ask any Russian about Ukrainians the word "greedy" will probably come up. ha

After FSU fell, most people lost their entire savings. They would rather spend their money, today, instead of saving it and possibly losing it again if the banks were to collapse.

[MiXX]

Actually I think I get it now.

If a Ukrainian oil billionaire is willing to pay J-Lo 1MUSD to perform as a wedding singer at his sons wedding in Ukraine, these guys are all about flaunting $$$


http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/je...ing-213660


Mixx

[Luckystar]

(11-22-2011 04:15 PM)Richie Wrote:  

I have never been to Ukraine but if you have too much swag you might come across as a bit of a douchebag... even if you arnt. Over confident men with bad jeans and trainer will bomb. Suave and sophisticated might be the way to go. More Ryan Gosling less Tom Cruise.

I'm definitely not obnoxious like Tom Cruise. But my disposition, mannerisms, and way of speaking are often very similar to Patrick Bateman, which elicited was confusing to Ukrainian girls.

[MiXX]

(11-22-2011 07:43 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:15 PM)Richie Wrote:  

I have never been to Ukraine but if you have too much swag you might come across as a bit of a douchebag... even if you arnt. Over confident men with bad jeans and trainer will bomb. Suave and sophisticated might be the way to go. More Ryan Gosling less Tom Cruise.

I'm definitely not obnoxious like Tom Cruise. But my disposition, mannerisms, and way of speaking are often very similar to Patrick Bateman, which elicited was confusing to Ukrainian girls.

You should of told them you are looking for someone to show you how operate your $600USD Iphone 4S

Mixx

[Luckystar]

(11-22-2011 07:45 PM)MiXX Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 07:43 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

(11-22-2011 04:15 PM)Richie Wrote:  

I have never been to Ukraine but if you have too much swag you might come across as a bit of a douchebag... even if you arnt. Over confident men with bad jeans and trainer will bomb. Suave and sophisticated might be the way to go. More Ryan Gosling less Tom Cruise.

I'm definitely not obnoxious like Tom Cruise. But my disposition, mannerisms, and way of speaking are often very similar to Patrick Bateman, which elicited was confusing to Ukrainian girls.

You should of told them you are looking for someone to show you how operate your $600USD Iphone 4S

Mixx

It's funny, but girls were actually really impressed by my friend's Iphone!

[Spartan]

(11-22-2011 07:43 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

I'm definitely not obnoxious like Tom Cruise. But my disposition, mannerisms, and way of speaking are often very similar to Patrick Bateman, which elicited was confusing to Ukrainian girls.

Patrick Bateman is the shit.

[Richie]

I was just in Lviv for a few days with a buddy. No Flag. One make-out in a club from a girl out of town but was consistently cockblocked by a circle of meat head Ukrainian guys. They are annoying, short, fat and ugly. Harsh, but true. I have no idea how the genetics of this place is so skewed towards the beauty of the local women. Its not unusual to see 8 and 9s with absolute morons. After a while I just found this depressing.

One daygame coffee date but due to Language problems I could not not escalate. She was a solid 8 much better than I could get in UK.
Girls are similar to Polish in terms of face but they have far better bodies making the average girl about an 7/8. The average Polish girl is 6/7 due to their plum shaped bodies. Polish girls are easier but I would have traded 3 Polish girls for 1 smokin' Ukrainian.
Main obstacle was English of course. Nightclubs were a no go for me. Too loud, busy and girls would stay all night long making SNL almost impossible. I am sure it can be done but be prepared to work for it.
I bailed Lviv pretty early because I immediately sensed it was going to take longer than a few days to get my flag (with anything of quality anyway) and I have a tight schedule.
I cant say anything about Debs experience. It seems he would do well in any country since it sounds like he approaches like a dog, at any given opportunity. THis is bound to produce results.
I do not like reading his posts because they all sound the same and I didn't find them useful at all. He makes it sound like pussy paradise but I am not convinced. How can it be when I come up against a wall everytime I try to communicate. Also the fact that it appears to be quite a conservative country I didn't feel very sexually liberated.
I would get a lot of looks from girls which did wonders from my ego but that was about as far as it went. I think a 3 week stint here would produce results but not with anything above an 8 in my opinion. And why else would you come to Ukraine?

I would consider spending more time here because there is a high concentration of hot women but I don't want to work that hard for my dinner. And on that note... whats with the supermarkets? I couldn't even find a decent bit of chicken. I could not live without my western luxuries.

Pros:
Hot girls with spectacular bodies.
Very approachable and friendly (if she speaks English)

Cons:
Girls in clubs are very young and inexperienced
English wasn't that common on the streets

Any questions please ask : )

[Greek kamaki]

Girls in Lvov look the same like girls in Krakow they are just slimmer on average.Day game is your bet.Way more fruitful if you speak Russian.The same quality polish girls in Krakow do not respond.

[lotharius]

Was In Lvov a few years ago for a few days, enjoyed the city very much - beautiful architecture, approachable girls 50% spoke English. Managed to get an SNL at a club called Millenium I think.

More conservative than other Ukrainian cities, but I would imagine if you are a decent looking guy like Deb seems to be, and you are there for some time, then imagine you could do very well for yourself

For some quick action though I think places like Odessa and Kiev are much better

[IVth_Element]

(04-28-2012 09:05 AM)Richie Wrote:  

One make-out in a club from a girl out of town but was consistently cockblocked by a circle of meat head Ukrainian guys.

First I've heard about the guys cockblocking as opposed to mother hens or ugly/fatter girlfriends. Tell us a little more about the typical situation. If there's so much abundance and looks don't seem to matter so much to theses girls, why would these guys focus on blocking someone else? What prompted it, how common, etc.

(04-28-2012 09:05 AM)Richie Wrote:  

Girls are similar to Polish in terms of face but they have far better bodies making the average girl about an 7/8. The average Polish girl is 6/7 due to their plum shaped bodies. Polish girls are easier but I would have traded 3 Polish girls for 1 smokin' Ukrainian.

I would have thought the girls in Ukraine had better faces, not necessarily better bodies. Didn't Roosh say that Polish girls have larger noses but incredible bodies. Are you more into the Mila Kunis body type or what do you consider plum shaped? I'll take 'em skinny but I'm more concerned with large breasts and a decent ass, not the girl with the thinnest legs. A decently flat stomach still matters though.

Where is this body type more common?

   

[Richie]

One I thing I noticed is that many of the hot girls would be closely guarded by a short man with a tracksuit and hairstyle that was cut using a knife and fork. They are possessive and force their tongues where they are clearly not wanted. Girls are always looking for an opportunity to make a quick escape to the dance floor. I have witnessed very similar behaviour in Poland.
A girl approached me whilst I was sitting down. She had a couple of guy friends with her that were constantly grabbing at her even thought she clearly wasn't interested in them. It's just good old fashioned jealousy. A good looking guy is a rare species and is a threat to the Alpha males of the group.

Polish girls - Pleasant enough faces, Big boobs, average height with very average asses. I have only been in Wroclaw.
Ukrainian girls - Faces are actually very hit and miss. When they are hot they are hot, when they are ugly they are hideous. Genrally taller, slim and with tight asses. No much going on in the boob department although I did see some impressive racks.

THis website is good for a laugh. It a popular club in Lviv although the talent seems to be very hit and miss. Much younger crowd. After 11pm they have a live webcam and you can watch in the comfort of your own home ; )
http://www.metroclub.com.ua/

FOr the record I am doing very well in Poland. For now it is my pussy paradise. I do feel slightly defeated about my Lviv experience... maybe I will try Kiev next time?

[The Fantasist]

(04-29-2012 11:10 AM)Richie Wrote:  

THis website is good for a laugh. It a popular club in Lviv although the talent seems to be very hit and miss. Much younger crowd. After 11pm they have a live webcam and you can watch in the comfort of your own home ; )
http://www.metroclub.com.ua/

Nice link. Shows that the quality of Ukrainian girls can be VERY hit and miss. Personally speaking I would say that Ukrainian women have on average fantastic bodies if you like tall slim types. However facially they are no better on average then their Slavic sisters to the West. I do believe that Ukrainian women from the East of the country are better looking.

So why do they have such a great reputation for beauty if the reality is slightly more mundane then the perception? Well I think in honesty the thing that makes men put Russian/Ukrainian women so high up their league table of races to bang is that men are judging them on things besides looks: the voices are incredibly horny,they dress incredibly well if you like a slightly slutty look,they carry themselves in a very feminine manner which is incredibly alluring to guys brought up in countries where women schlep about in dirty running shoes and tracksuits covered in dog hair,they make the absolute most of what they have to work with, often have incredible bodies and they seem to be attainable. Strip that away and just leave the girl in nothing but her physical self and you are left with a woman who on average is no better then a Slovak,Czech or dare I say it many Anglo-Saxon women further west.

[Richie]

I think thats exactly right. The women dress so sexily it blurs the level of quality.

(04-29-2012 01:43 PM)Vorkuta Wrote:  

(04-29-2012 11:10 AM)Richie Wrote:  

THis website is good for a laugh. It a popular club in Lviv although the talent seems to be very hit and miss. Much younger crowd. After 11pm they have a live webcam and you can watch in the comfort of your own home ; )
http://www.metroclub.com.ua/

Nice link. Shows that the quality of Ukrainian girls can be VERY hit and miss. Personally speaking I would say that Ukrainian women have on average fantastic bodies if you like tall slim types. However facially they are no better on average then their Slavic sisters to the West. I do believe that Ukrainian women from the East of the country are better looking.

So why do they have such a great reputation for beauty if the reality is slightly more mundane then the perception? Well I think in honesty the thing that makes men put Russian/Ukrainian women so high up their league table of races to bang is that men are judging them on things besides looks: the voices are incredibly horny,they dress incredibly well if you like a slightly slutty look,they carry themselves in a very feminine manner which is incredibly alluring to guys brought up in countries where women schlep about in dirty running shoes and tracksuits covered in dog hair,they make the absolute most of what they have to work with, often have incredible bodies and they seem to be attainable. Strip that away and just leave the girl in nothing but her physical self and you are left with a woman who on average is no better then a Slovak,Czech or dare I say it many Anglo-Saxon women further west.

[Deb Auchery]

(04-29-2012 10:36 AM)IVth_Element Wrote:  

(04-28-2012 09:05 AM)Richie Wrote:  

One make-out in a club from a girl out of town but was consistently cockblocked by a circle of meat head Ukrainian guys.

First I've heard about the guys cockblocking as opposed to mother hens or ugly/fatter girlfriends. Tell us a little more about the typical situation. If there's so much abundance and looks don't seem to matter so much to theses girls, why would these guys focus on blocking someone else? What prompted it, how common, etc.

(04-28-2012 09:05 AM)Richie Wrote:  

Girls are similar to Polish in terms of face but they have far better bodies making the average girl about an 7/8. The average Polish girl is 6/7 due to their plum shaped bodies. Polish girls are easier but I would have traded 3 Polish girls for 1 smokin' Ukrainian.

I would have thought the girls in Ukraine had better faces, not necessarily better bodies. Didn't Roosh say that Polish girls have larger noses but incredible bodies. Are you more into the Mila Kunis body type or what do you consider plum shaped? I'll take 'em skinny but I'm more concerned with large breasts and a decent ass, not the girl with the thinnest legs. A decently flat stomach still matters though.

Where is this body type more common?

Yes the men rarely cockblock in this city at least, it's more the female friends you have to look out for.

Fantastic weekend of gaming, amazing weather, streets were packed with quality. Didn't fuck, but I had a good night tonight with a tall blonde who is LTR potential, took many many numbers over last few days.

Leaving this city soon for a few weeks, sad to leave, heading to the motherland

[RoadLessTraveled]

I met up with Deb. I just wanted to add a few things. I run game because I have been to boot camps and seminars. That stuff does not work out here. You don't want to get stuck in the player zone out here. Practically all the women out here are game-able so long as you court them longer-term. That's made my trip a bit lame. No flag so far. I have just been running such aggressive game and only staying here a short while. I love Lviv. I could clean up a place like this.

And I love the small town feel. This city is a million people but it feels like 20,000. This place is like Riga 20 years ago. Amazing. And these people are Ukrainian Speaking Ukraininans. I have heard that they are much more soft spoken than the Russian Speakers in the South and East.

[RoadLessTraveled]

Just to clarify what I said a bit more. My advice is basically to the aggressive direct gamers who look for same night lays: do more indirect stuff, don't run physically hard, and try to get day-2s. I only had a week here. I think most people shouldnt expect to get laid unless they have at least 20 days here. Guys living here clean up. Another recommendation is to learn basic phrases and numbers. I am not recommending that you learn the language unless you plan on being here for at least a year, but Ukrainian speaking Ukrainians light up when you speak their language and they actually warm up to you and i think they get attracted to you more. It's weird. I noticed this in Thailand to a degree because the language is so hard. But here, it shows you give a shit about their culture and insignificant language when they think so many Russian ukrainians do not.

[Richie]

I dipped into Lviv for a week a while back and needless today I got no play. I have to say actually that there were'nt as many approachable targets by night as I would have needed to have a decent crack at it. I switched to day game with better results in the the latter part of the week but with such little time it was more of an experiment than a means to get laid. It was slightly more productive so I do believe that if you lived there it could be quite fruitful.
I am not that bothered that Deb has gone. He started to come across as a delusional character in search of value on the forum. I don't care who gets laid I just want to know if it's possible that I can get laid and how! I will keep my conquests to myself.
WHat I would like to know about Deb is why Lvlv. I could not live there. The food was awful and I couldnt find a decent supermarket. ENglish was not spoken, clubs were shit and not a lot of options for hanging out in the day. I think he must be quite lonely there. If he was so successful in an Ukraine surely there are better options for a player... Czech republic, Croatia, Serbia, all have a much higher quality with more interesting and intelligent women that speak English.

[Greek kamaki]

Lvov is good for wild travellers who are ready to sacrifice every comfort for hunt of pussy.Personally it fits me a lot.When I see lack of infrastructure I know it is the right place to create one.Infrastructure means middle class and middle class is an obstacle.

[BigAlexBoss]

Lviv might be worth a quick visit.

[Spartan]

I was there just a day ago. Seems like Euro 2012 fans raped the place. I'd wait a while for things to calm down. Seems like everyone there was in a bad mood....and I understand why. You get 1000s of drunk foreigners storming the town. Hopefully, the place will recover soon.

On the plus side, infrastructure is much higher...but so have some of the prices.

[lotharius]

I imagined the prices would nudge higher after the Euro. Krakow to me is better value than Lvov.