[Screwston]

This is a problem I've been running into. I chat up a girl and go in for the number or meet up but they say they can't because they have someone. I know I'm getting them comfortable and pushing the right buttons but the bf is causing me problems.

I went to Macys today for a jacket and seen a cute petite girl working. I asked her if she can help me pick one and ended up looking at shit and talking for about 20 minutes. I used the ramble method I've seen some of y'all talk about. Just talking non stop about clothes and asking her opinion on shit. I "accidentaly" rubbed her hand when she helped me try a jacket on and she just smiled. I told her to give me her number so can get some drinks sometime and she said she can't because she feels bad. I told her we can just talk and chill as friends but she refused. Then she said I'm cute but she has someone and wouldn't feel right. How do I work around this? I'm getting these sluts comfortable like this all the time but the bf is blocking me. I even used the classic Gmac line "I just met u and you're already telling me about your problems?"

P.s. I suggest everyone dress GQ and like they're going to the club during the day. You really do turn heads when everyone is dressed like a slob and you look like u just finished a photoshoot.

[FretDancer]

If she is really in a relationship. The thing that will determine wether she will hook up with you (apart from your game) is how her relationship is at that exact time. If her relationship is highly stable and 'happy', you will have a hard time (if not impossible) to get the bang.

It all comes down on the different reasons on why men and women cheat.

Men cheat mostly out of lust, but women cheat mostly when their need of having someone to be close with (who satisfies her other needs) is not there. So as you can see, if that need is perfectly being satisfied, forget it.

[jariel]

(11-12-2011 07:56 PM)houston Wrote:  

P.s. I suggest everyone dress GQ and like they're going to the club during the day. You really do turn heads when everyone is dressed like a slob and you look like u just finished a photoshoot.

I've said that several times on this board, here's one example from a couple of weeks ago...

(11-01-2011 06:41 AM)jariel Wrote:  

Amen.

But take this game to another level. Dressing up for a night on the town is nothing special, because just like the chicks, you're just doing the obligatory put your best foot forward for a social setting.

I dress the way some people would dress to a club during the day time, as a result, I've been approached at gas stations, libraries, grocery stores, etc.

I don't really go out to clubs anymore unless it's a special occasion, because all of the women I'm chillin with right now, I met during everyday life, and I'm not talking about day game.

When you have people asking you shit like, "why are you dressed up?", pat yourself on the back.

In terms of the dept. store chick, you wasted 20 minutes. Although I've got at chicks while they were working in the past, and done so with great success, it's difficult because you have to understand they are being paid to be nice.

For some dudes, that niceness comes off as attraction and it just isn't.

For better success, be direct as hell, and get whatever information you want to get from her as soon as possible, then let her know you respect her time and the fact she's working, and keep it moving.

That talking for 20 minutes about bullshit and finally getting to the point shit always ends with the same result.

[XXL]

(11-12-2011 07:56 PM)houston Wrote:  

I went to Macys today for a jacket and seen a cute petite girl working. I asked her if she can help me pick one and ended up looking at shit and talking for about 20 minutes. I used the ramble method I've seen some of y'all talk about. Just talking non stop about clothes and asking her opinion on shit. I "accidentaly" rubbed her hand when she helped me try a jacket on and she just smiled. I told her to give me her number so can get some drinks sometime and she said she can't because she feels bad.

it's simple. you play games. you play it safe. you play to not lose. you act like you don't want her, you just trying to get few good reactions from her and that's all.

you going in like that you're are just a customer to her who's talkative and that's all. you're not even on her radar. you can be cool as fuck i don't deny it. but she can't see that. you have to understand that she only knows what she sees and what she sees is just another customer looking for help. that's all. it's like spotting an actress and approaching by asking for an autograph first. you're immediately just another fan. not so powerful category to be in, don't you agree?

as long as you're not expressing your intentions WHY you talk to her you're in friend/customer/fan/gay/stranger/etc category. yes, some guys can pull it off cause they do it for their own fun as a joke, not as a technique to attract her.

(11-12-2011 07:56 PM)houston Wrote:  

I told her we can just talk and chill as friends but she refused. Then she said I'm cute but she has someone and wouldn't feel right. How do I work around this? I'm getting these sluts comfortable like this all the time but the bf is blocking me. I even used the classic Gmac line "I just met u and you're already telling me about your problems?"

You work around this by cutting through the bullshit games and expressing your interest somehow. sooner or later you have do it so why not sooner or immediately? at least she knows from the beginning what you want so in worst case scenario she will tell you about BF or whatever excuse quickly.

FACT: women adapt to man's frame. that's what they do. they can't set the frame casue it's not their role. it's our role. so when you go in like friend/customer she will become your friend/salesclerk.

lines are irrelevant. they don't mean shit. social dynamics are bigger than lines.

i recommend this video. this is natural way of doing it. it saves you a lot of time and problems. listen to the guy on the left. he explains it perfectly:

[Lumiere]

One tactic you might try if you have a few of these numbers is to text them all saying that you have found another girl who is up for a 3 some and she is cute as hell and ask her if she is in.

Girls with bfs are curious about trying a 3 some with another girl involved especially if they have not tried it before and dont feel like they can try it with the bf because of the jealousy factor involved in seeing their bf put their dick in someone else.

Not an issue with you of course and, in this sense, you have a clear advantage over their bf.

Try it.

[pitt]

Houston if she tells you that she cant give you the number because of her bf you just walk away. Usually when i dont get the numbers i just walk away and you forcing her to give you her number may mean that she probably wont come to meet after you call.

You need to breakdown a bit about the GQ thing...so you getting better results dressed GQ style than you were before when you dressed in a different way? What was your style like before by the way?

[Screwston]

thanks everyone. i need to start letting it be known what I want right away. i've been going go for the "nice guy" game because of how I look. i just have that asshole look to me.

pitt - i've been getting a lot more eye fucks and girls smiling at me since I started dressing GQ during the day. approaching these lizards is just a lot easier because you look professional and like a man who knows what he's doing. i'm at the point where I'm going to do this from Thursday through the weekend. my casual street clothes were baggy Ecko jeans and a plain t shirt with maybe a fitted hat if my hair was looking shaggy. you're really on another level if you're a young playa (or just a young looking guy like me) and you look like you just hopped out of a magazine ad with your clothes. young guys dont dress like that and you stand out A LOT.

[El Rey]

(11-12-2011 07:56 PM)houston Wrote:  

This is a problem I've been running into. I chat up a girl and go in for the number or meet up but they say they can't because they have someone. I know I'm getting them comfortable and pushing the right buttons but the bf is causing me problems.

I went to Macys today for a jacket and seen a cute petite girl working. I asked her if she can help me pick one and ended up looking at shit and talking for about 20 minutes. I used the ramble method I've seen some of y'all talk about. Just talking non stop about clothes and asking her opinion on shit. I "accidentaly" rubbed her hand when she helped me try a jacket on and she just smiled. I told her to give me her number so can get some drinks sometime and she said she can't because she feels bad. I told her we can just talk and chill as friends but she refused. Then she said I'm cute but she has someone and wouldn't feel right. How do I work around this? I'm getting these sluts comfortable like this all the time but the bf is blocking me. I even used the classic Gmac line "I just met u and you're already telling me about your problems?"

P.s. I suggest everyone dress GQ and like they're going to the club during the day. You really do turn heads when everyone is dressed like a slob and you look like u just finished a photoshoot.

Great point Houston, Assanova wrote a post on his old blog highlighting this. As pitt said, being dressed GQ during the day goes a lot farther than at night/nightclubs.

[MMM]

(11-13-2011 12:02 AM)FretDancer Wrote:  

If she is really in a relationship. The thing that will determine wether she will hook up with you (apart from your game) is how her relationship is at that exact time. If her relationship is highly stable and 'happy', you will have a hard time (if not impossible) to get the bang.

It all comes down on the different reasons on why men and women cheat.

Men cheat mostly out of lust, but women cheat mostly when their need of having someone to be close with (who satisfies her other needs) is not there. So as you can see, if that need is perfectly being satisfied, forget it.

Good point. When a woman responds to my approach by advising that she is married, I reply with one word, "Happily?" Look into her eyes and you can see the hamster wheel fly!

[Sushifan]

It's you, not her.

Every girl has a fantasy guy (or likely guys) for whom she'd do absolutely anything.

But for this girl, you're not the one.

Remember that girls leave off the words "with you" or "for you" from their sentences.

"I don't give out my number.... To you"
"I have a boyfriend already.... To you" (for the right guy, I'm DTF)
"I don't kiss on the first date... With you" (with the right guy she'd F on the first date)
"I don't swallow... For you"

Next time be more direct and as soon as she pulls the excuses, just walk away and don't waste any more time!!

[Jevioso]

(11-12-2011 07:56 PM)houston Wrote:  

This is a problem I've been running into. I chat up a girl and go in for the number or meet up but they say they can't because they have someone. I know I'm getting them comfortable and pushing the right buttons but the bf is causing me problems.

I went to Macys today for a jacket and seen a cute petite girl working. I asked her if she can help me pick one and ended up looking at shit and talking for about 20 minutes. I used the ramble method I've seen some of y'all talk about. Just talking non stop about clothes and asking her opinion on shit. I "accidentaly" rubbed her hand when she helped me try a jacket on and she just smiled. I told her to give me her number so can get some drinks sometime and she said she can't because she feels bad. I told her we can just talk and chill as friends but she refused. Then she said I'm cute but she has someone and wouldn't feel right. How do I work around this? I'm getting these sluts comfortable like this all the time but the bf is blocking me. I even used the classic Gmac line "I just met u and you're already telling me about your problems?"

P.s. I suggest everyone dress GQ and like they're going to the club during the day. You really do turn heads when everyone is dressed like a slob and you look like u just finished a photoshoot.

Two things:

1. Most girls value being in relationships, even if it is with a sub-par guy. The only way another guy can convince her from going against her relationship, is by showing that he is of higher value than the relationship she is currently in. In other words, the excitement and energy of being with you must transcend the security of being in her relationship. So more times than not, if you're getting with relationship-girls, you probably need to show more value to marinate them a little more.

2. Most women generally rotate emotion to emotion, and sometimes they just need time to shift to another emotional state, which allows your game to permeate. So if a girl rejects you because she says she has a boyfriend: I'd simply say get a card (or a piece of paper), write down your name and number, and tell the girl to call you if she changes her mind, or give her the option of throwing the paper away, just after you've turned your back away. Choices, force women into making decisions, and when women make decisions they often side with their hypergamous nature, which is simply another shift in emotional state.