[blurb]

These are why betas are formed.

A Walk to Remember (2002)





I know the movie means well and is supposed to have a deep meaning to it, but for the love of Game, the main female character has absolutely NO character flaws. She is perfect. She is the daughter of a pastor. She volunteers. She helps people. She's kind and considerate. The viewer never sees a bad side of her.

The guy? Everything is wrong with him. He's the typical bad boy. Though, I suppose the point was that men are bad and women are good and that women can change man from his ways.

[JoyStick]

that's because most scriptwriters are beta fools.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

I'd say not just the obvious bait (do everything for me, blah blah blah), but also any common movie with romantic themes where a dull woman is paid a lot of attention simply because of the fact that she has a vagina. That's also pedestalization, and quite an insidious one.

Btw, I recommend seeing Scott Pilgrim vs. the world, a wacky but good movie about a guy who has to fight his girlfriend's "7 evil exes" to win her heart. The movie is total pedestalization and no game, of course, but while he is doing it, the guy is also cheating on his girlfriend, for fun plot twists later. I found that refreshing.

[brianmark]

Before Sunrise - Ethan Hawke and Julie Delpy, 1995
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This is the most pussified guy, I've ever seen. He's a disgrace to all men. I like Ethan Hawke and thought wow a romance about Europe where an American man (oh, I mean sissy boy) meets a French girl on a train and he has to get off in Vienna for his flight home in the morning. She likes him so she gets off the train with him and they spend the day and night, until morning together! Now a girl that will change her plans and get off a train and spend a day and night with you, would probaby want to bang you. I'd say that's a slam dunk, but not here! He respects her too much! This movie has very little feel of Europe. The conversation between them is at a Jr. High level and worst of all he does NOT Fuck this girl!!!! He is too nice and respects her too much!!! What a damn sick chick flick!!!! Do not watch this trash. This is like watching "Twilight" if you want to see a horror movie! And they even made a sequel "Before Sunset" that takes place 10 years later when they finally meet again. If you like moves where the guy has too much respect for the girl to have sex with her, this is the movie. If you are a an alpha or even a beta male this movie will make you puke!

[wi30]

I think it's safe to say 90% of American movies put pussy on a pedestal.

[Tuthmosis]

(11-15-2011 12:42 AM)wi30 Wrote:  

I think it's safe to say 90% of American movies put pussy on a pedestal.

My sentiments exactly. An easier list would be American Movies that Don't Pedestalize Women.

For example:

Scarface (1983).

[Alpha]

I wrote a post on the Zookeeper with Kevin James once. It starts out really good, pro-game where the animals teach him how to seduce like a boss. Its almost like the writers read a copy of The Game before they wrote the script.

But then it also looks like they got bitter at the game because it wasn't instant pussy and so halfway through the movie, Kevin James realizes the game is bullshit and goes back to being a beta pussy - and then he gets the girl.


Movies that show SOLID game? Road House with Swayze. He teases, negs, DHVs, and ends up fucking his girl's brains out after their second date. Dalton is the shit.

[Timoteo]

James Bond is the only character that is consistently alpha in his dealings with women. Women serve a purpose for him, be they necessary for his job, or his entertainment. He prefers them married, making it easier to walk away. In many of the movies, chicks end up dead after encounters with him, but he doesn't blink. Of course, he became this way because he allowed himself to fall in love once, only to have it end badly (he was married once - in "On Her Majesty's Secret Service" his wife was killed just after their wedding, and in the reboot "Casino Royale" he quit to sail the world with Vesper Lynd, only to have her betray him and essentially drown herself). After that, he became a cold-hearted player.

[Smoker]

Can we include TV? Chuck. Biggest pussy in the history of airwaves.

[amistod]

What did you guys think of Bridesmaids? I thought it was depressing as fuck.

- clear view of unmarried mid 30s girl (damn they must be easy by this point)
- female written alpha (she actually says she only does him because he is hot? true alpha would not be that bad in bed)
- beta boy gets shat on, still ends up with used up almost 40 something

I could keep going, but I would like to hear what you guys thought

[Timoteo]

Tim Allen is about the only tv character that at least TRIES to be a man, and fights back against female disrespect.

[Basil Ransom]

(11-15-2011 02:43 PM)Timoteo Wrote:  

Tim Allen is about the only tv character that at least TRIES to be a man, and fights back against female disrespect.

Al Bundy. Larry David. Gob & George Bluth.

[Jackhammer]

(11-15-2011 02:40 PM)amistod Wrote:  

What did you guys think of Bridesmaids? I thought it was depressing as fuck.

- clear view of unmarried mid 30s girl (damn they must be easy by this point)
- female written alpha (she actually says she only does him because he is hot? true alpha would not be that bad in bed)
- beta boy gets shat on, still ends up with used up almost 40 something

I could keep going, but I would like to hear what you guys thought

The funny thing is Jon Hamm's character is alpha as hell, and he's the one banging the lead actress for the first half of the movie. But the movie makes him out to be the loser in the end.

[Jevioso]

How are you going to make money off a movie about Alpha males? With the high number of feminist babies and beta males, who's going to go the theaters and watch movies about men that are actually seeking perfection? The feminist movement established real men as flawed individuals, and that my friends are the only men who can exist in our society. Even the idea/fantasy of a perfect independent man cannot exist in the media and is banned from being discussed outside of religious circles. To be an open alpha male, or even to go out seeking it is an act of rebellion, and it's a lonely road for the willing and the able only...that doesn't translate to $ in most cases.

[Timoteo]

(11-15-2011 07:54 PM)Jevioso Wrote:  

How are you going to make money off a movie about Alpha males? With the high number of feminist babies and beta males, who's going to go the theaters and watch movies about men that are actually seeking perfection? The feminist movement established real men as flawed individuals, and that my friends are the only men who can exist in our society. Even the idea/fantasy of a perfect independent man cannot exist in the media and is banned from being discussed outside of religious circles. To be an open alpha male, or even to go out seeking it is an act of rebellion, and it's a lonely road for the willing and the able only...that doesn't translate to $ in most cases.

Men will always come to see movies like this. Remember, action movies are FULL of alpha males, and those movies are made pretty much for males. Alphas will come to see them, and betas will come to see the man they want to be or wish they were. Granted, the majority of movies put out by Hollywood aren't targeted for the male demographic, summer is the time for blockbusters, and good indie movies are always being put out.

[Screwston]

The main guy from the show How I Met Your Mother disgusts me. Funny how Doogie Howser is a big playa on it but is gay in real life.

[Timoteo]

(11-15-2011 09:53 PM)houston Wrote:  

The main guy from the show How I Met Your Mother disgusts me. Funny how Doogie Howser is a big playa on it but is gay in real life.

HA HA! I can't watch "Starship Troopers" the same way anymore!

[Deluge]

Vincent Chase and Ari Gold from Entourage are pure alpha.

[Luvianka]

(11-12-2011 03:30 AM)blurb Wrote:  

These are why betas are formed.

A Walk to Remember (2002)





I know the movie means well and is supposed to have a deep meaning to it, but for the love of Game, the main female character has absolutely NO character flaws. She is perfect. She is the daughter of a pastor. She volunteers. She helps people. She's kind and considerate. The viewer never sees a bad side of her.

The guy? Everything is wrong with him. He's the typical bad boy. Though, I suppose the point was that men are bad and women are good and that women can change man from his ways.

Steel Magnolias --- What a shit!

[Kbar]

(11-15-2011 07:54 PM)Jevioso Wrote:  

How are you going to make money off a movie about Alpha males? With the high number of feminist babies and beta males, who's going to go the theaters and watch movies about men that are actually seeking perfection? The feminist movement established real men as flawed individuals, and that my friends are the only men who can exist in our society. Even the idea/fantasy of a perfect independent man cannot exist in the media and is banned from being discussed outside of religious circles. To be an open alpha male, or even to go out seeking it is an act of rebellion, and it's a lonely road for the willing and the able only...that doesn't translate to $ in most cases.

It is exactly that reason that a film about real alpha males would do so well. Think about it- films with actual alpha males e.g. Scarface, the Godfather are so few and far between that we watch them for decades after they come out. The majority will reject them at first, but they will become cult viewing, because deep down, that is what the people want. Betas especially will flock to these films, because they are the only release they get.

[Lumiere]

(11-15-2011 11:11 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

Vincent Chase and Ari Gold from Entourage are pure alpha.

Disagree.

Vincent Chase an alpha? With his sqeaky little voice. Even his own female agent (after he fired Ari) out alpha'd him on that show.

Pussy beta male getting laid on his looks and fame.

Ari? More alpha for sure especially in business dealings. At home or in conselling sessions with wife? Total beta. Thats the funny thing about him.

[Screwston]

Yeah Vince from Entourage is a soft ass pretty boy.

[Nonpareil]

(11-17-2011 01:29 PM)Lumiere Wrote:  

(11-15-2011 11:11 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

Vincent Chase and Ari Gold from Entourage are pure alpha.

Disagree.

Vincent Chase an alpha? With his sqeaky little voice. Even his own female agent (after he fired Ari) out alpha'd him on that show.

Pussy beta male getting laid on his looks and fame.

Ari? More alpha for sure especially in business dealings. At home or in conselling sessions with wife? Total beta. Thats the funny thing about him.

Every character on that show is Beta, though Vince is a paper alpha I don't let myself get fooled into thinking he gets nearly the play that he does if he's not rich and famous. Ari is the classic 'work alpha, everywhere else beta', there was a painful episode of the show this year where he got set up on a date with a hot 21 year old and she wants to fuck, but she's a little slutty so he blocks it.

Only 4 TV alphas spring to mind; Don Draper, Barney Stinson, Hank Moody and Ron Swanson.

And they have all at times shown beta tendencies, because it's not possible (or ideal) to constantly be alpha all the time.

[Easy E]

The movie Somewhere (2010) is a boring movie, but the main character is an alpha:

This movie made me wish I was famous! LOL!

[Excelsior]

(11-15-2011 11:11 PM)P Dog Wrote:  

Vincent Chase and Ari Gold from Entourage are pure alpha.

I can't really agree with this, especially after this last season. They come across as soft, pedestalizing betas in the show's last 9 or so episodes.

Vince goes from consumate player to super-sensitive nice guy, going out of his way to try and show how "good-hearted" he is to his former hookups and commissioning his friends to document this. Towards the end of this last season, the guy is basically groveling for validation from the old hookups he hunts down ("I mean, you thought I was good to you, right?", "You thought I was nice, right?"). This is insecure beta male behavior, and I would know because I've been that type of guy.

All of this was in turn triggered by an encounter with a single very attractive but ball-busting journalist who was able to, in just the space of a few days, get Vince to a) fall completely and totally in love with her, in spite of her ball-busting nature and lack of physical advantage over many of the other women Vince has been with, b) start going out of his way trying to qualify himself to her by completely inverting his player/carefree persona (hence the documented attempts to show he's really a "nice guy" and his effort to find former hookups and seek their validation for this) and c) marry her after like a week of dating.

That's all incredibly beta, and difficult to even believe. He went from confident player to still good-looking and rich but highly insecure, supplicating, needy beta in no time flat.

Ari is not much better. The dude is very alpha in the office, but his wife has him by the balls, groveling, supplicating and essentially making a fool out of himself with her every little decision. So firmly does she grasp his balls that he couldn't even bring himself to bang a hot young model-caliber girl on which he'd been put on a date with.
After refusing her clear solicitations for sex, he runs into the arms of another old cougar (the lady who runs the studio, I think her name was Dana Gordon) who is closer to his wife age-wise for "comfort", because he needs "someone to talk to".

His wife forced him to go from somewhat confident and very alpha male (in spite of his latent soft spot for her) to sensitive, mushy, insecure beta who "just wants to talk", and rejects the solicitations of younger (and vastly more attractive) women just so he can get a cougar to soothe his feelings and remind him of his wife.

At the same time, he also uses Dana in an elaborate scheme to make said wife jealous, as if he were a teenaged girl. This type of bickering and devious plotting is something I'd expect to see from a Gossip Girl character, not an alpha male executive. Grown alpha males don't bother with juvenile stunts like that, they simply endure and find a way to move on without stooping to that silly level. Obsessed, pussy-whipped and insecure beta males are the only ones who would even consider that crap.

Men who depend on women for their emotional stability and sustenance (the way Ari did with Dana) are betas. Alpha males do not rely on sexual partners to validate them, and they certainly do not choose said partners on the basis of their ability to "talk" and "soothe" them. They choose women who they are attracted to, and do not expect said women to solve any emotional/existential issues they have because that is not a woman's responsibility-it is HIS.

To assign that responsibility to any woman and build a dependence on it (again, the way Ari did with Dana Gordon in the wake of his separation) is to engage in intense and unhealthy pedestalization ("You're so special and great, YOU can solve my problems!!! I NEED YOU!!!!"), a behavior common to beta males. In real life, women usually reject this type of guy because a) that behavior is a sign of weakness and they prefer confident, self-assured men and b) they don't like being pedestalized and subsequently forced to live up to the expectations that come with it (read: they don't want to be your mom). Again, I know having been that guy before.

Bottomline: Ari and Vince were far from alphas in this last season.