Over the years, I’ve engaged a ton of private messaging about girls in other countries. I thought I’d share some of the dialogue. Perhaps it will be useful to some. Here is the Scandinavian edition:
Please note: I have kept the communications anonymous and edited out any personal information.
Enjoy.
On Finland:
Hey Luckystar,
"Finland is a unique outlier among Scandinavian countries. They used to be ruled by Swedes, and the Swedish minority stills controls the wealth/power in that country (similar to the Jewish minority in the U.S.). As a result, the native Finns have a bit of an inferiority complex.
This helps out immensely as a "national inferiority complex" combined with poor quality local competition (Finnish guys mostly look like ogres) makes for a strong openness for foreign cock among the female population. If it makes any difference, every black guy I've ever seen in Finland was with a Finnish girl, and some of the Finnish girls were smoking hot blondes on par with Tiger Wood's wife (or better).
On the other hand, I know Finns can also be incredibly racist as well so you'll have to keep your antenna going and spy out the girls who are ogling you. Finnish girls aren't shy, so the ones who want you are going to look you up and down like a piece of meat. Those are the ones to approach IMO."
"But don't ignore Helsinki -- it is the capital after all and it has a lot of schools and universities too."
"You have to game after you approach. Just because they're ogling you doesn't you can skip the normal stages of attraction, comfort, and escalation. On the other hands, Finnish girls are notorious drunks. If they're wasted, you can probably caveman them after minimal conversation and drag them back to your pad without much trouble.
Depends on your budget and priorities. Why not carpet bomb a bunch of Finnish girls via the Internet in all three cities and go for the ones you get the most responses back from? People make the city in my experience. "
Well that is the scoop on Finland. Let me know what you think.
Take care”
On Copenhagen:
“Out of the scandinavian capitals i would definitely recommend CPH. In terms of location it is the best place to get to see other parts of europe and it is got more of a big city feel to it compared to Helsinki and Oslo. Stockholm is pretty nice as well, but I from what I've seen, the nightlife is not really that great. Contrary to what some people say on the forum, CPH has great nightlife at least three or four days of the week (might be a bit dead when the unis have vacation, june-aug)
I am not sure about the cost of living, but I guess it is almost the same in all of scandinavia, with norway and sweden having more taxes on alcohol and cigarettes. It is not a cheap place, that is for sure - maybe around the same price as London. But then, when you live a place you get to know all the small tricks that can make it cheaper for you (like cheating in public transport, avoid paying entrance fees, that stuff..)
The main areas in CPH are Sankt Hans Torv in Norrebro and Istedgade/kodbyen in Vesterbro. But things like the best bars and clubs tend to change quite quickly and it seems that 'events' are on every weekend. Then there are loads of parties at the unis that are cheaper in terms of alcohol and got a cosy feel to them.
I never do any daygame, but that should probably be possible.
The girls are friendly and good looking, especially if you are into the blonde/nordic look. Personally I prefer latinas and asian girl, but I am sure the girls are hotter on average than eastern european, brittish, german, french and all those. So in that sense it should be good.
If you got more questions just fire away! “
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“Hey brah, no worries. Don't apologize.
I live in CPH, but i can tell you know Sweden is the cheapest cost of living.
Here in CPH, shared apartment - well, people live small here compared to the US - 3 room place with the works would cost you 1200-1500 USD, and you could definitely get something nice at the higher end. When you coming?
You should consider some part-time job in hospitality while here to minimize expenses. They're reasonably easy to come by. I could probably hook you up, too. 15 hours a week, you could make 1,000 USD a month easy, after taxes. Wages are great, too - amazing by american standards. I don't know if an exchange student is allowed to work. We could find out.
Yes, my impressions confirms what you've heard. But you've got to be good at day game - opening people here is different than in America. And like anywhere else, there are plently of women that enjoy being opened by handsome strangers who seem friendly.
Allt his writing is giving me much time for reflection. Maybe my own game will improve - it better.
keep in touch and let me know what happens.”
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“Textbook game doesn't land any hotties in this country. Girls here definitely know how to shoot down guys. And they aren't really impressed by an Americans.
It's a lot more pleasing for the ego to go to Brazil & Thailand, where hotties will throw themselves at you. And then the culture is not really open to people unless you involve yourself in some kind of activity - be it professional or cultural.
Also there is the question of what kind of girls you prefer. If you like submissive and colored girls, it is the wrong place. If you're into blondes who've got their own opinion, then it might be the shit.
I myself, prefer 3rd world countries, still though, I am getting laid by >10 girls every year, most of them good looking, so it's not like game doesn't work here.
Good luck”
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On Oslo:
“I´ve only been in Oslo. I was going to Trondheim but Oslo was already quit good so we stayed there. I think Bergen have good Fjords.
We rented a frogner´s apartment for two nights and after moved to comfort hotel near the opera house for 4 people it´s (70 euros/night).
The frogner apartment was near the nightlife. The hotel was cheaper (65 euros a single room/night) but located in the whore neighborhood.
Check out this link also:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destin...-stay.html
i didn´t stay in either but The Hotel Gabelshus offers dinners. Total price stay+dinner 100 euros.
The neighborhood were the (good) nightlife happens near the streets observatoriegata, and Soligata. I´ve been to Palace Grill on a thursday. Although it sounds like a restaurant it´s not after 22.00. It has a open terrace with warm weather it´s great. If you look at their site they don´t even have english version. No cover charge. Just by the line to get in you will see the talent. We went there from thursday to sunday. This two days were the best one. Worst was saturday the average age is above 45 years old. Don´t recommend going there on saturdays, but check it out by yourslef, just don´t expect it to get better has time passes cause it won´t.
Other club is la belle sole. Haven´t been there, but a friend "disapeared" for 2 hours came back saying that girls were also beautiful but were more stuck up.
I got tell you that the party on Thursday and sunday were one of the best I´ve been in my life. Specially sunday, we had low expectations on nightlife but that was the night my friends picked up the SAS girls. I only knew they brought them for the hotel, cause next day there was a Chardonnay bottle on the check out bill. Those fuckers payed something like 650 krones. But hey the girls were very good looking.
Don´t go to Karl Joahn gate by night it´s full of midle eastern and indian people. Planet hollywood is for tourists (I didn´t go there). Akker Rygge in the night is also a waste of time. During the day it´s great for daygame, specially TGI fridays, the left side when you enter.
The general atmosphere in Oslo is really relaxed. People are not acostumed to foreigners so they are extremely friendly. Girls are at the same level than the ones you see in Copenhagen during daytime. Very accesible. A lot of times I said I was Brazilian cause that would make them more horny.
I can´t recommend restaurants. Burger King was 12 euros.
Ryanair has a lot of cheap flights to Oslo so hurry up, it will not stay like this for long.
Any more info feel free to shoot.”
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On Estonia:
“Not being a dark dude myself, I don't really have much insight there. But I really don't think any of the posters here that talk about girls loving dark guys here no what they're talking about. The difference is if you mean black (as in African American) vs. dark (Muslim-looking). Black dudes could probably do really well here if they have style; Muslim-looking dudes are going to have a very, very hard time, and might encounter quite a bit of racism. It sucks, but it's the way it is.
As far as the factors to being able to meet high-quality women, I'd rank them in this order: Social proof (VERY big in these small, insular countries); style; looks; money. Money isn't that big of a deal so long as you're not broke. But I'd emphasize that simply being a cool dude is a big deal. Estonian women are notoriously "strong" and have generally traveled all over the world, many times by hitchhiking. They've done really cool stuff and have heard every type of game under the sun. If you're running weak game, you'll get nowhere.”
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On Iceland:
“if you are a student, you will have great access to icelandic girls and *may* be able to attain higher quality (perhaps in the 8 range). Still, getting into social circles is very hard there, and chances are he will make friends with just other foreigners.
Problem with Iceland is that most of the nightlife bangs are all one-and-out, meaning no relationship even if you like the girl. Social circle overlap seems to be required to continue things. A best shot at this would be if you're a student.
The draw of the foreign man to an Icelandic girl is that he's not staying. Girls don't want guys she fucked to be roaming around, potentially giving her a slut stain. Iceland is the only place where I lied that I was staying shorter than I really was.
Iceland can be depressing, and the people ice cold (Danish girls are actually friendlier initially), but as long as you stay busy during the week, the weekend is fine because of the respectable talent and ease at which you can get quick one-hour bangs if the girl likes you.”
Nobody fucks during the weekdays?
“Nope. It really feels like a village. It's one of those "wait for the weekend" type of places. Fri/Sat does get a bit wild though.
For repeat fucks you may want to try internet game, which I haven't explored. Here's the main dating site: http://www.einkamal.is/”
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What should my expectations be over there?(Reykjavik)
“The city is quite boring during the week. Thurs-Sat is good. I differ some with his opinions. I though the girls were super hot. Not much down for the day game, however any "drinking" night they get super bold. Much different from there shyness during the day. I linked up X with my great Sengalese friend over there. He knows the city well and all the spot with the best bang for your buck with girls. Ask X and he will tell you having a good friend like that worked wonders for him. I would be happy to link your bro up with my friend as well.
Let me know if you have any more questions.”
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On Sweden:
Luckystar Wrote: What would say are the most critical factors/strategies necessary to achieve success in Sweden (success = 8s,9s,10s)? How did you find the quality for girls there? Abundance of quality girls?
“It's insane. There are beautiful blondes everywhere. There's the occasional redhead and brunette, but they also generally tend to be stunning.”
Quote:Was it difficult to day game? To get numbers? To get dates? Did girls find it strange being approached in the day? Or is it where real success lies?
“They do find it strange, since Swedish guys don't do it - but not in a bad way. Honestly Stockholm was like easy mode. My day game skills have improved quite a lot since then, so I imagine it'll be more fun the next time I am there. If you've got any day game at all you'll love it.”
Quote:How is night game and nightlife different over there? What was the level of competition?
“The only time I went clubbing was to a big party with 30 other PUAs. Talent level was great, and from what I understand it's not very difficult to stand out there if you have any game”
Quote:I know people over there tend to meet through social circles. Did you find it easy to break into social circles?
“Wasn't there long enough, and social circle from scratch is something I haven't mastered yet.”
Quote:I m mostly indian, late 20s, good looking (6'1 and fit), and have style. Think mediterranean features, brown skin color. I get a wide range of feedback with regards to how responsive swedish girls would be to a guy like me. What's your take?
“As long as you don't dress like the local Turks, you'll be ok.”
Luckystar Wrote:Thanks, dude.
I will let you know where I end up. I'll also check in with you to see how you are making out in Riga. Russian girls are top notch.
One last question, bro. How do Turkish guys dress?
“Just generally kind of douchey. Gold chains and watches. Open shirts, slicked back hair. You'll see them when you get there. If you go to finndistan (good PUA blog from a guy in Finland) you'll see they even have a name from them there - Apachis or something. It's a very distinctive look that you want to avoid, because Turkish dudes have a really bad (sometimes deservedly so) reputation throughout Europe.”
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“There are more hotter girls in Stockholm bc it's a bigger city. Girls here are definitely DTF. And they are cool with just a one night fling.
I'm not a PUA I have always relied on my looks to get girls and only approach the ones that show me interest.
I would say if a girl is interested and shows it. It's not alot of work needed. Be charming, fun and dance. I've layed down girls where I haven't said a thing to her. We just dance all night and the first thing I say to her is let's go to the bathroom.
Yeah you definitely have exotic appeal. Girls like tall dark haired and brown eyes men. Bc you're part Indian just don't give off the "IT-guy" vibe.
Girls here are beautiful (in my opinon) but they are "equals" to us men in our society. They are not submissive and feminine like they can be in other countries. I'd say those type of countries are easier to get notches. Poland and other EE countries are maybe better in that remark.”
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“Yeah that's a tricky one...It's difficult to say it all depends. But here's my estimates on a budget covering the basics, on the low side of the scale.
You save money if you eat and cook the food yourself and if you limit the amount of drinks you buy at the club.
Apartment: 4-5000 SEK/mo
Food ( if you cook all you meals yourself): 2000 SEK/mo
Drinks (go out 2 x/week and buy from "Systembolaget"): 1600 SEK/mo
Transport(if you live outside walkingdistance to the city) : 500-700/mo (30 day "SL" ticket)
Activities(?): It all depends...
That's the basics.
I found this, maybe you'll find this valuable I don't know..
http://www.thelocal.se/22540/20091008/”
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“GBG is more bohemian, a San Fransisco to Stockholm being more LA. If you're willing to go over both places with a microscope you'll probably find hotter girls in Stockholm due to sheer number advantages (Sthlm pop ~1 mil, GBG ~600K). The average hotness levels will be entirely similar though and in the summer everyone is buzzing back and forth over the country anyhow. If you're here for 4 mnths, and you're not on a shoestring budget, there's no reason not to hop on the train and try both cities for a week before deciding.
In short, you'll be spending more money in Stockholm to live and drink with harder-to-get-playing girls that are negligibly hotter than the ones in GBG. As I mentioned in the summer thread you'll have better access to a number of summer hotspots from GBG as well.
Swedish girls are very progressive. If they decide you are a good thing for them then they in general won't have any problem with dragging you home and/or keeping you around without any real thought to the long run. They are not too much work, of the 40+ swedish girls I've banged in my life I've gotten to bed on the 1st or 2nd encounter/date.
Daygaming is pretty much dead for regular swedes so if you can find the balance, and not startle the usually reserved swedish girls then you're SET.”
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“I can't tell you on what to choose between Sweden and Poland. I'm tempted myself to go to Poland but from Roosh's latest postings it seems that would be a mistake to do during the summer with all the girls leaving.
Finding apartments for rent isn't difficult. Negotiating the actual rental arrangements however might be tougher since most people might be cautious about renting out their places to someone from abroad that might leave with their flat-screen and pet iguana. Well. you get the idea..
To get you started check this place out. http://translate.googleusercontent.com/t...QH91nW_MXg
This is the most popular swedish online marketplace, the link will get you directly to apartments for rent in the Gity of Gothenburg (you could go "upstream" for Stockholm). You'll have to play the numbers there. Price won't be a problem since the rental market is heavily regulated, including 2nd hand rentals.
Hope this helps”
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“One of my guys I roll with out on the town is Indian (from Bengal I think). 35 yo with a 10 year younger blond Swedish girlfriend. They were on and off because she suspected he had a girl on the side, which wasn't true. He had SCORES on the side! So obviously he hasn't had any trouble. I'm meeting up with him tonight actually.
1) Cost - Yeah I can totally understand you there. The good availability of summer rentals makes it manageable but it's still costlier here than many parts of the world.
2 Quality - Don't know what to tell you there. Sthlm and Gothenburg make up 15% of the entire population so you're definitely exposing yourself to the most people here in the cities.
If you're going in the summer I'd say Sweden due to the general mood, the parties and everyone being more available. If you're going early spring late summer/autumn I'd recommend Poland as witnessed by roosh the hotties are leaving the country during the summer.
Just my thoughts, follow your instincs. It wouldn't be all to hard to try them both.”
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“In my mind. The distinction between scorer and super-scorer in Swe is the ability to get day game going. I'll admit that Swedes can be somewhat socially awkward compared to the average American so I'd recommend a fairly soft, indirect approach when day gaming. Or you might easily end up with a mortified girl in front of you wondering if you actually have brass balls or if you are a psycho. With that said, I haven't been doing as well on this front as I used to back when I was more active, so my experience is far from definite.
Swedes do "date". I do that a lot personally, in fact 90% of my notches are from dates rather than pick-ups clubs/bars. Dates are typically dutch however (switching between buying rounds) and fairly informal affairs. Dinner out, the theatre, flowers and all that stuff won't go over well with any but the most old-fashioned girls. The typical modern Swe girl value the same thing that girls everywhere do - confidence, a touch of bad boy, and someone that can't be pigeon holed. The one difference though, since the state provide such security for Swedes wealth is generally not as solid of a draw as it is in the rest of the world. Brandishing wealth excessively is generally seen as tacky and overcompensating. There is a bit of hypocrisy to this as a nice pad, tailored suits and VIP cards will still get you everywhere you just don't talk about it....”
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Luckystar Wrote: Ya, I guess I should have used common sense. Of course you guys 'date'. I'm probably overstating how different Swedes really are.
I was thinking of indirect approaches (ie. I just moved to X, can I ask you...) finished with either: 1) an open ended invitation to join a group of friends later (and ask for her number) or 2) direct tell her I'd be interesting in seeing her (ask for her number). If I need a group of friends, I'm call you! ha.
I'm not really into suits (I wear them every bloody day!). I like to wear jeans, nice collared shirt (rolled up sleeves), skinny ties, leather jackets, ankle boots. My style is more NYC or LA than European.
The biggest conundrum for me is a pad. Not just the ability to get one, but the ability to get one that girls will feel comfortable in. It seems difficult to pre arrange a monthly apt. If you have any thoughts on this, please let me know.
Thanks for the thoughts, once again.
LStar
“Your indirect approach(es) sounds fine. Just fill up with some comfort and fluff in between and you'll do fine. Because day game is such a rare occurrence in Swe (more for me) I suspect option 1 will be the most successful but of course you should experiment to find your own mix.
The outfit(s) you're describing will work fine. Funny enough I was thinking when I was in NYc recently that people's stule there is more European than any other place in the US.
Granted the rental market right now is pretty bad. The uneasy world economy has seen people selling their homes and going over to rentals. Here's another 2nd hand rental online marketplace: http://www.bopunkten.se/ It's easier getting a place on site since most home owners would want to meet the person renting from them. Also, a shorter stay like yours will be easier to negotiate. The first month however might be tricky.
Nightclub lines and cover charges can be hellish so VIP cards are golden”
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Luckystar Wrote:I don't know what summer burst is, but it looks great. Especially the honeys.
http://finest.se/imageGallery/?igid=8752#1
“It's this music festival. Pretty cool but the closed venue limits the recruitment potentials, I prefer the park festivals (Way out West, Where The action is, GBG kulturkalaset), though any event will be packed when the weather is good.”
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Luckystar Wrote:
Quick question: I have encountered a couple girls that are regulars on Stureplan website. My impression they work the clubs in some form. My question is do they feel/think they are celebrities of some sort? Should they be approached differently? I realize these may sound like dumb question.....you'll have to bear with me, bro.
Thanks
“They most likely think themselves to be some sort of higher being yes. I have personally never put much heed into gaming these kind of girls since in many cases their life is centred around being noticed and would only attach themselves to a man that will further this desire. The times I've made contact with this type the typical probing questions that would be asked are what kind of job I hold, who I know, what kind of place I live in etc... you get the idea. I rarely have the patience for this.
I would guess that you'd have to treat them like they were completely anonymous nobodies and act totally oblivious to their presence on these sites.”
Please note: I have kept the communications anonymous and edited out any personal information.
Enjoy.
On Finland:
Hey Luckystar,
"Finland is a unique outlier among Scandinavian countries. They used to be ruled by Swedes, and the Swedish minority stills controls the wealth/power in that country (similar to the Jewish minority in the U.S.). As a result, the native Finns have a bit of an inferiority complex.
This helps out immensely as a "national inferiority complex" combined with poor quality local competition (Finnish guys mostly look like ogres) makes for a strong openness for foreign cock among the female population. If it makes any difference, every black guy I've ever seen in Finland was with a Finnish girl, and some of the Finnish girls were smoking hot blondes on par with Tiger Wood's wife (or better).
On the other hand, I know Finns can also be incredibly racist as well so you'll have to keep your antenna going and spy out the girls who are ogling you. Finnish girls aren't shy, so the ones who want you are going to look you up and down like a piece of meat. Those are the ones to approach IMO."
"But don't ignore Helsinki -- it is the capital after all and it has a lot of schools and universities too."
"You have to game after you approach. Just because they're ogling you doesn't you can skip the normal stages of attraction, comfort, and escalation. On the other hands, Finnish girls are notorious drunks. If they're wasted, you can probably caveman them after minimal conversation and drag them back to your pad without much trouble.
Depends on your budget and priorities. Why not carpet bomb a bunch of Finnish girls via the Internet in all three cities and go for the ones you get the most responses back from? People make the city in my experience. "
Well that is the scoop on Finland. Let me know what you think.
Take care”
On Copenhagen:
“Out of the scandinavian capitals i would definitely recommend CPH. In terms of location it is the best place to get to see other parts of europe and it is got more of a big city feel to it compared to Helsinki and Oslo. Stockholm is pretty nice as well, but I from what I've seen, the nightlife is not really that great. Contrary to what some people say on the forum, CPH has great nightlife at least three or four days of the week (might be a bit dead when the unis have vacation, june-aug)
I am not sure about the cost of living, but I guess it is almost the same in all of scandinavia, with norway and sweden having more taxes on alcohol and cigarettes. It is not a cheap place, that is for sure - maybe around the same price as London. But then, when you live a place you get to know all the small tricks that can make it cheaper for you (like cheating in public transport, avoid paying entrance fees, that stuff..)
The main areas in CPH are Sankt Hans Torv in Norrebro and Istedgade/kodbyen in Vesterbro. But things like the best bars and clubs tend to change quite quickly and it seems that 'events' are on every weekend. Then there are loads of parties at the unis that are cheaper in terms of alcohol and got a cosy feel to them.
I never do any daygame, but that should probably be possible.
The girls are friendly and good looking, especially if you are into the blonde/nordic look. Personally I prefer latinas and asian girl, but I am sure the girls are hotter on average than eastern european, brittish, german, french and all those. So in that sense it should be good.
If you got more questions just fire away! “
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“Hey brah, no worries. Don't apologize.
I live in CPH, but i can tell you know Sweden is the cheapest cost of living.
Here in CPH, shared apartment - well, people live small here compared to the US - 3 room place with the works would cost you 1200-1500 USD, and you could definitely get something nice at the higher end. When you coming?
You should consider some part-time job in hospitality while here to minimize expenses. They're reasonably easy to come by. I could probably hook you up, too. 15 hours a week, you could make 1,000 USD a month easy, after taxes. Wages are great, too - amazing by american standards. I don't know if an exchange student is allowed to work. We could find out.
Yes, my impressions confirms what you've heard. But you've got to be good at day game - opening people here is different than in America. And like anywhere else, there are plently of women that enjoy being opened by handsome strangers who seem friendly.
Allt his writing is giving me much time for reflection. Maybe my own game will improve - it better.
keep in touch and let me know what happens.”
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“Textbook game doesn't land any hotties in this country. Girls here definitely know how to shoot down guys. And they aren't really impressed by an Americans.
It's a lot more pleasing for the ego to go to Brazil & Thailand, where hotties will throw themselves at you. And then the culture is not really open to people unless you involve yourself in some kind of activity - be it professional or cultural.
Also there is the question of what kind of girls you prefer. If you like submissive and colored girls, it is the wrong place. If you're into blondes who've got their own opinion, then it might be the shit.
I myself, prefer 3rd world countries, still though, I am getting laid by >10 girls every year, most of them good looking, so it's not like game doesn't work here.
Good luck”
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On Oslo:
“I´ve only been in Oslo. I was going to Trondheim but Oslo was already quit good so we stayed there. I think Bergen have good Fjords.
We rented a frogner´s apartment for two nights and after moved to comfort hotel near the opera house for 4 people it´s (70 euros/night).
The frogner apartment was near the nightlife. The hotel was cheaper (65 euros a single room/night) but located in the whore neighborhood.
Check out this link also:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destin...-stay.html
i didn´t stay in either but The Hotel Gabelshus offers dinners. Total price stay+dinner 100 euros.
The neighborhood were the (good) nightlife happens near the streets observatoriegata, and Soligata. I´ve been to Palace Grill on a thursday. Although it sounds like a restaurant it´s not after 22.00. It has a open terrace with warm weather it´s great. If you look at their site they don´t even have english version. No cover charge. Just by the line to get in you will see the talent. We went there from thursday to sunday. This two days were the best one. Worst was saturday the average age is above 45 years old. Don´t recommend going there on saturdays, but check it out by yourslef, just don´t expect it to get better has time passes cause it won´t.
Other club is la belle sole. Haven´t been there, but a friend "disapeared" for 2 hours came back saying that girls were also beautiful but were more stuck up.
I got tell you that the party on Thursday and sunday were one of the best I´ve been in my life. Specially sunday, we had low expectations on nightlife but that was the night my friends picked up the SAS girls. I only knew they brought them for the hotel, cause next day there was a Chardonnay bottle on the check out bill. Those fuckers payed something like 650 krones. But hey the girls were very good looking.
Don´t go to Karl Joahn gate by night it´s full of midle eastern and indian people. Planet hollywood is for tourists (I didn´t go there). Akker Rygge in the night is also a waste of time. During the day it´s great for daygame, specially TGI fridays, the left side when you enter.
The general atmosphere in Oslo is really relaxed. People are not acostumed to foreigners so they are extremely friendly. Girls are at the same level than the ones you see in Copenhagen during daytime. Very accesible. A lot of times I said I was Brazilian cause that would make them more horny.
I can´t recommend restaurants. Burger King was 12 euros.
Ryanair has a lot of cheap flights to Oslo so hurry up, it will not stay like this for long.
Any more info feel free to shoot.”
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On Estonia:
“Not being a dark dude myself, I don't really have much insight there. But I really don't think any of the posters here that talk about girls loving dark guys here no what they're talking about. The difference is if you mean black (as in African American) vs. dark (Muslim-looking). Black dudes could probably do really well here if they have style; Muslim-looking dudes are going to have a very, very hard time, and might encounter quite a bit of racism. It sucks, but it's the way it is.
As far as the factors to being able to meet high-quality women, I'd rank them in this order: Social proof (VERY big in these small, insular countries); style; looks; money. Money isn't that big of a deal so long as you're not broke. But I'd emphasize that simply being a cool dude is a big deal. Estonian women are notoriously "strong" and have generally traveled all over the world, many times by hitchhiking. They've done really cool stuff and have heard every type of game under the sun. If you're running weak game, you'll get nowhere.”
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On Iceland:
“if you are a student, you will have great access to icelandic girls and *may* be able to attain higher quality (perhaps in the 8 range). Still, getting into social circles is very hard there, and chances are he will make friends with just other foreigners.
Problem with Iceland is that most of the nightlife bangs are all one-and-out, meaning no relationship even if you like the girl. Social circle overlap seems to be required to continue things. A best shot at this would be if you're a student.
The draw of the foreign man to an Icelandic girl is that he's not staying. Girls don't want guys she fucked to be roaming around, potentially giving her a slut stain. Iceland is the only place where I lied that I was staying shorter than I really was.
Iceland can be depressing, and the people ice cold (Danish girls are actually friendlier initially), but as long as you stay busy during the week, the weekend is fine because of the respectable talent and ease at which you can get quick one-hour bangs if the girl likes you.”
Nobody fucks during the weekdays?
“Nope. It really feels like a village. It's one of those "wait for the weekend" type of places. Fri/Sat does get a bit wild though.
For repeat fucks you may want to try internet game, which I haven't explored. Here's the main dating site: http://www.einkamal.is/”
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What should my expectations be over there?(Reykjavik)
“The city is quite boring during the week. Thurs-Sat is good. I differ some with his opinions. I though the girls were super hot. Not much down for the day game, however any "drinking" night they get super bold. Much different from there shyness during the day. I linked up X with my great Sengalese friend over there. He knows the city well and all the spot with the best bang for your buck with girls. Ask X and he will tell you having a good friend like that worked wonders for him. I would be happy to link your bro up with my friend as well.
Let me know if you have any more questions.”
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On Sweden:
Luckystar Wrote: What would say are the most critical factors/strategies necessary to achieve success in Sweden (success = 8s,9s,10s)? How did you find the quality for girls there? Abundance of quality girls?
“It's insane. There are beautiful blondes everywhere. There's the occasional redhead and brunette, but they also generally tend to be stunning.”
Quote:Was it difficult to day game? To get numbers? To get dates? Did girls find it strange being approached in the day? Or is it where real success lies?
“They do find it strange, since Swedish guys don't do it - but not in a bad way. Honestly Stockholm was like easy mode. My day game skills have improved quite a lot since then, so I imagine it'll be more fun the next time I am there. If you've got any day game at all you'll love it.”
Quote:How is night game and nightlife different over there? What was the level of competition?
“The only time I went clubbing was to a big party with 30 other PUAs. Talent level was great, and from what I understand it's not very difficult to stand out there if you have any game”
Quote:I know people over there tend to meet through social circles. Did you find it easy to break into social circles?
“Wasn't there long enough, and social circle from scratch is something I haven't mastered yet.”
Quote:I m mostly indian, late 20s, good looking (6'1 and fit), and have style. Think mediterranean features, brown skin color. I get a wide range of feedback with regards to how responsive swedish girls would be to a guy like me. What's your take?
“As long as you don't dress like the local Turks, you'll be ok.”
Luckystar Wrote:Thanks, dude.
I will let you know where I end up. I'll also check in with you to see how you are making out in Riga. Russian girls are top notch.
One last question, bro. How do Turkish guys dress?
“Just generally kind of douchey. Gold chains and watches. Open shirts, slicked back hair. You'll see them when you get there. If you go to finndistan (good PUA blog from a guy in Finland) you'll see they even have a name from them there - Apachis or something. It's a very distinctive look that you want to avoid, because Turkish dudes have a really bad (sometimes deservedly so) reputation throughout Europe.”
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“There are more hotter girls in Stockholm bc it's a bigger city. Girls here are definitely DTF. And they are cool with just a one night fling.
I'm not a PUA I have always relied on my looks to get girls and only approach the ones that show me interest.
I would say if a girl is interested and shows it. It's not alot of work needed. Be charming, fun and dance. I've layed down girls where I haven't said a thing to her. We just dance all night and the first thing I say to her is let's go to the bathroom.
Yeah you definitely have exotic appeal. Girls like tall dark haired and brown eyes men. Bc you're part Indian just don't give off the "IT-guy" vibe.
Girls here are beautiful (in my opinon) but they are "equals" to us men in our society. They are not submissive and feminine like they can be in other countries. I'd say those type of countries are easier to get notches. Poland and other EE countries are maybe better in that remark.”
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“Yeah that's a tricky one...It's difficult to say it all depends. But here's my estimates on a budget covering the basics, on the low side of the scale.
You save money if you eat and cook the food yourself and if you limit the amount of drinks you buy at the club.
Apartment: 4-5000 SEK/mo
Food ( if you cook all you meals yourself): 2000 SEK/mo
Drinks (go out 2 x/week and buy from "Systembolaget"): 1600 SEK/mo
Transport(if you live outside walkingdistance to the city) : 500-700/mo (30 day "SL" ticket)
Activities(?): It all depends...
That's the basics.
I found this, maybe you'll find this valuable I don't know..
http://www.thelocal.se/22540/20091008/”
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“GBG is more bohemian, a San Fransisco to Stockholm being more LA. If you're willing to go over both places with a microscope you'll probably find hotter girls in Stockholm due to sheer number advantages (Sthlm pop ~1 mil, GBG ~600K). The average hotness levels will be entirely similar though and in the summer everyone is buzzing back and forth over the country anyhow. If you're here for 4 mnths, and you're not on a shoestring budget, there's no reason not to hop on the train and try both cities for a week before deciding.
In short, you'll be spending more money in Stockholm to live and drink with harder-to-get-playing girls that are negligibly hotter than the ones in GBG. As I mentioned in the summer thread you'll have better access to a number of summer hotspots from GBG as well.
Swedish girls are very progressive. If they decide you are a good thing for them then they in general won't have any problem with dragging you home and/or keeping you around without any real thought to the long run. They are not too much work, of the 40+ swedish girls I've banged in my life I've gotten to bed on the 1st or 2nd encounter/date.
Daygaming is pretty much dead for regular swedes so if you can find the balance, and not startle the usually reserved swedish girls then you're SET.”
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“I can't tell you on what to choose between Sweden and Poland. I'm tempted myself to go to Poland but from Roosh's latest postings it seems that would be a mistake to do during the summer with all the girls leaving.
Finding apartments for rent isn't difficult. Negotiating the actual rental arrangements however might be tougher since most people might be cautious about renting out their places to someone from abroad that might leave with their flat-screen and pet iguana. Well. you get the idea..
To get you started check this place out. http://translate.googleusercontent.com/t...QH91nW_MXg
This is the most popular swedish online marketplace, the link will get you directly to apartments for rent in the Gity of Gothenburg (you could go "upstream" for Stockholm). You'll have to play the numbers there. Price won't be a problem since the rental market is heavily regulated, including 2nd hand rentals.
Hope this helps”
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“One of my guys I roll with out on the town is Indian (from Bengal I think). 35 yo with a 10 year younger blond Swedish girlfriend. They were on and off because she suspected he had a girl on the side, which wasn't true. He had SCORES on the side! So obviously he hasn't had any trouble. I'm meeting up with him tonight actually.
1) Cost - Yeah I can totally understand you there. The good availability of summer rentals makes it manageable but it's still costlier here than many parts of the world.
2 Quality - Don't know what to tell you there. Sthlm and Gothenburg make up 15% of the entire population so you're definitely exposing yourself to the most people here in the cities.
If you're going in the summer I'd say Sweden due to the general mood, the parties and everyone being more available. If you're going early spring late summer/autumn I'd recommend Poland as witnessed by roosh the hotties are leaving the country during the summer.
Just my thoughts, follow your instincs. It wouldn't be all to hard to try them both.”
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“In my mind. The distinction between scorer and super-scorer in Swe is the ability to get day game going. I'll admit that Swedes can be somewhat socially awkward compared to the average American so I'd recommend a fairly soft, indirect approach when day gaming. Or you might easily end up with a mortified girl in front of you wondering if you actually have brass balls or if you are a psycho. With that said, I haven't been doing as well on this front as I used to back when I was more active, so my experience is far from definite.
Swedes do "date". I do that a lot personally, in fact 90% of my notches are from dates rather than pick-ups clubs/bars. Dates are typically dutch however (switching between buying rounds) and fairly informal affairs. Dinner out, the theatre, flowers and all that stuff won't go over well with any but the most old-fashioned girls. The typical modern Swe girl value the same thing that girls everywhere do - confidence, a touch of bad boy, and someone that can't be pigeon holed. The one difference though, since the state provide such security for Swedes wealth is generally not as solid of a draw as it is in the rest of the world. Brandishing wealth excessively is generally seen as tacky and overcompensating. There is a bit of hypocrisy to this as a nice pad, tailored suits and VIP cards will still get you everywhere you just don't talk about it....”
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Luckystar Wrote: Ya, I guess I should have used common sense. Of course you guys 'date'. I'm probably overstating how different Swedes really are.
I was thinking of indirect approaches (ie. I just moved to X, can I ask you...) finished with either: 1) an open ended invitation to join a group of friends later (and ask for her number) or 2) direct tell her I'd be interesting in seeing her (ask for her number). If I need a group of friends, I'm call you! ha.
I'm not really into suits (I wear them every bloody day!). I like to wear jeans, nice collared shirt (rolled up sleeves), skinny ties, leather jackets, ankle boots. My style is more NYC or LA than European.
The biggest conundrum for me is a pad. Not just the ability to get one, but the ability to get one that girls will feel comfortable in. It seems difficult to pre arrange a monthly apt. If you have any thoughts on this, please let me know.
Thanks for the thoughts, once again.
LStar
“Your indirect approach(es) sounds fine. Just fill up with some comfort and fluff in between and you'll do fine. Because day game is such a rare occurrence in Swe (more for me) I suspect option 1 will be the most successful but of course you should experiment to find your own mix.
The outfit(s) you're describing will work fine. Funny enough I was thinking when I was in NYc recently that people's stule there is more European than any other place in the US.
Granted the rental market right now is pretty bad. The uneasy world economy has seen people selling their homes and going over to rentals. Here's another 2nd hand rental online marketplace: http://www.bopunkten.se/ It's easier getting a place on site since most home owners would want to meet the person renting from them. Also, a shorter stay like yours will be easier to negotiate. The first month however might be tricky.
Nightclub lines and cover charges can be hellish so VIP cards are golden”
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Luckystar Wrote:I don't know what summer burst is, but it looks great. Especially the honeys.
http://finest.se/imageGallery/?igid=8752#1
“It's this music festival. Pretty cool but the closed venue limits the recruitment potentials, I prefer the park festivals (Way out West, Where The action is, GBG kulturkalaset), though any event will be packed when the weather is good.”
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Luckystar Wrote:
Quick question: I have encountered a couple girls that are regulars on Stureplan website. My impression they work the clubs in some form. My question is do they feel/think they are celebrities of some sort? Should they be approached differently? I realize these may sound like dumb question.....you'll have to bear with me, bro.
Thanks
“They most likely think themselves to be some sort of higher being yes. I have personally never put much heed into gaming these kind of girls since in many cases their life is centred around being noticed and would only attach themselves to a man that will further this desire. The times I've made contact with this type the typical probing questions that would be asked are what kind of job I hold, who I know, what kind of place I live in etc... you get the idea. I rarely have the patience for this.
I would guess that you'd have to treat them like they were completely anonymous nobodies and act totally oblivious to their presence on these sites.”
