[Deb Auchery]

Direct or Indirect street games works in "Eastern Europe" but let's not assume all countries in Eastern Europe are the same, it's one of the great things about this continent, a few miles one way, you're in a country where everything is totally different.

Ukraine day and night game works very well. In Ukraine when ever I go for a walk, I see a couple walking towards me, the girl almost always checks me out and even smiles at me, oblivious to the wretched heathen on her arm. It's as if she's saying "help, save me from a life with this primate!"

I approach girls day and night on the street in Ukraine, I would say 80% of the time I get a name and number(no kidding). I don't need "the game", I just say something like "hey, how's it going?, what's your name"

No shit.

[Luckystar]

(11-08-2011 06:57 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Direct or Indirect street games works in "Eastern Europe" but let's not assume all countries in Eastern Europe are the same, it's one of the great things about this continent, a few miles one way, you're in a country where everything is totally different.

Ukraine day and night game works very well. In Ukraine when ever I go for a walk, I see a couple walking towards me, the girl almost always checks me out and even smiles at me, oblivious to the wretched heathen on her arm. It's as if she's saying "help, save me from a life with this primate!"

I approach girls day and night on the street in Ukraine, I would say 80% of the time I get a name and number(no kidding). I don't need "the game", I just say something like "hey, how's it going?, what's your name"

No shit.

Guys with good looks tend to prefer direct game because we can recognize a girl's attraction or we basically proposition her and odds are she is down.

The question is how does the average guy with average looks go about day game. In Poland, I would recommend the average dude to go indirect but keep an eye out for direct opportunities. We're really wasting our time talking about approaching Polish girls. They are the easiest girls to approach.

[Deb Auchery]

This is true.

George Costanza is the master of day game, watch and learn )))))

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cKUvKE3bQlY

Flying to Krakow tomorrow, can't friggin wait.

[ch0pin]

Hey guys,

Sorry guys, but I agree with most of what XXL said about Polish girls. XXL may be getting a different experience because he's a local and he speaks the local language, so he's expected to act like the locals do.

When foreigners approach in Poland they get a different treatment, but from my experience the general pattern in Poland is consistent with what XXL described. For example I wouldn't say Polish girls are easy to approach. In order of increasing openness and social acceptance for talking to strangers I would say Poland is somehwere between Germany,the Scandinavian countries, Iceland, on one end, and English speaking countries on the other. Most girls are simply surprised if you approach "the American style," and like XXL said keep asking themselves "why is this guy talking to me? what is he doing?" Seriously... girls don't read "The Rule" or "Why Men Love Bitches" in Poland, they simply don't know the kind of chatty and witty banter with complete strangers that's an important element of the American game. That would explain why XXL has some thoughts on how to tweak the game to address the reservations Polish girls (in Poland, important detail) may have when approached.


-Ch

[Luckystar]

(11-09-2011 06:28 AM)ch0pin Wrote:  

Hey guys,

Sorry guys, but I agree with most of what XXL said about Polish girls. XXL may be getting a different experience because he's a local and he speaks the local language, so he's expected to act like the locals do.

When foreigners approach in Poland they get a different treatment, but from my experience the general pattern in Poland is consistent with what XXL described. For example I wouldn't say Polish girls are easy to approach. In order of increasing openness and social acceptance for talking to strangers I would say Poland is somehwere between Germany,the Scandinavian countries, Iceland, on one end, and English speaking countries on the other. Most girls are simply surprised if you approach "the American style," and like XXL said keep asking themselves "why is this guy talking to me? what is he doing?" Seriously... girls don't read "The Rule" or "Why Men Love Bitches" in Poland, they simply don't know the kind of chatty and witty banter with complete strangers that's an important element of the American game. That would explain why XXL has some thoughts on how to tweak the game to address the reservations Polish girls (in Poland, important detail) may have when approached.


-Ch

There isn't much useful stuff in this thread. You captured my thoughts for the most part.

[XXL]

(11-08-2011 06:57 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

I approach girls day and night on the street in Ukraine, I would say 80% of the time I get a name and number(no kidding). I don't need "the game", I just say something like "hey, how's it going?, what's your name"

No shit.

i know. that's the best way. like really traight up 'this is happening' girl. there's no gaming, no trying, no lame games and cute lines. going in like that just with "hey what's up" like you already got her is the way. and just by being present, being playful with her personal space, holding eye contact, glancing at her lips, that's what gets her attractive. not some fake ass story about stripper exGF. she sees you're stopped confidently and but at the same time you're not impressing her with some bullshit. it's cocky

(11-09-2011 06:28 AM)ch0pin Wrote:  

For example I wouldn't say Polish girls are easy to approach
...
Most girls are simply surprised if you approach "the American style," and like XXL said keep asking themselves "why is this guy talking to me? what is he doing?" Seriously... girls don't read "The Rule" or "Why Men Love Bitches" in Poland, they simply don't know the kind of chatty and witty banter with complete strangers that's an important element of the American game.

yeah that american politeness, that "how do you do?" thing, that smiling, that openness is not our thing at all. it's really rare. people here don't really value being open/social that much or just having short nice small talk with strangers. it's not the strict rule just general trend but still very clear for me especially after i come back from abroad. just a little thing to remember. i don't want to discourage anybody just trying to make life easier. and it is easier when you cut the shit which essentially looks like that:

- approach makes her surprised
- expressing interest makes it clear WHY a random guy bothers her. the interaction has sexual tone.
- staying congruent makes is easy to pass her shittest which makes her more comfortable and attracted
- leading her makes it clear that the interaction is moving forward at all times in specific direction

as opposing to:
guy goes in feigning interest and approval seeking with his gay games. girl is entertained yet has no idea why he's talking specifically to her or even worse she knows he likes her but has no balls to express it and lead. so out of politeness she talks to him. maybe gives him fake number. after a while it gets awkward. interaction dies and everything fades out. and then guy is surprised that his numbers flake like fucking crazy.

(11-09-2011 06:28 AM)ch0pin Wrote:  

That would explain why XXL has some thoughts on how to tweak the game to address the reservations Polish girls (in Poland, important detail) may have when approached.

well to me it's not even game meaning there's no perfect specific thing to do or say in social interaction. it's pointless to be like a chameleon and change your behaviour and adapt yourself to other persons to make eveyone like you and shit.

the best thing what can be done IMO is to be unapologetic. like 'this is happening.. you get on board or get the fuck out'. for full frontal approach or shittesting it's gold cause its totally congruent (hey hey! stop for a sec let me look at you girl.. yes i have belly but don't touch it.. yes i can talk to you in the bus.. i don't know how many i'm talking to you now..) or for leading (let's go there i want to talk to you.. let's go i want to dance with you.. come with me you will like this.. ). and this is not a technique to use btw from time to time. it's not a game. it's not something you turn on and off when you go out. it's an ATTITUDE. way of being almost hahaha which manifests when you play sport, when you work out, when you learn for the exam or doing your job. just committing 100%

if i have pinpoint one thing it'd be.. playing to not lose (safe and gamey)

[Luckystar]

XXL:

ChOpin is a nobody on this forum...He doesn't give any cred to your BS.

No offense, but Polish dudes don't know there head from there ass when it comes to getting girls. Some of the most pathetic game I have ever seen. I would never take game advice from a Polish dude (such as yourself) unless I've seen him first hand.

You remind me of TG3 from a while back who got banned. Moronic posts.

[ch0pin]

Luckystar: nice attack on the person. Now you really contributed to the value of this thread...


-Ch

(11-09-2011 12:39 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

XXL:

ChOpin is a nobody on this forum...He doesn't give any cred to your BS.

No offense, but Polish dudes don't know there head from there ass when it comes to getting girls. Some of the most pathetic game I have ever seen. I would never take game advice from a Polish dude (such as yourself) unless I've seen him first hand.

You remind TG3 from a while back who got banned. Moronic posts.

[MiXX]

XXL,

You've only been a member of this forum for 2 months - chill out! Take it easy and see how the forum flows. Contribute some data sheets of the cities you hang out, and list YOUR experience there.

All senior members of this forum know that the last person to take advice about gaming women from <insert any country here> is the local men from that <any country>. I never ask Colombian men advice about fucking Colombian women. I do much better than they do.

You are borderline trollin with these posts, and LuckyStar has added a ton of insight to the forum.

Mixx

[Roosh]

Chopin and XXL are both posting from Polish IPs. I think they are speaking on how it is for a Polish guy with Polish game to approach Polish girls.

If you're an American guy getting blown out or having their reactions from approaching Polish girls outside of Krakow or Warsaw, you're doing something very wrong.

[XXL]

hahahha ok whatever boys i don't really care who's dissing me. i contributed something you can take it or not.

thing is i understand attraction very fucking thoroughly and i focus on principles not on methods. the difference is that principles are universal and don't change. methods/techniques are fluid and change because they are designed for specific situation.

i see this trend here that different country requires different type of game so there are many many many tricks to make it work depending where you are located. hmm that's interesting cause i haven't really noticed anything like that.

essentially women are the same everywhere and react to the same things (nature). african woman and european woman is still a woman. she's only human. she likes fun, she likes to hook, up she likes intimacy, she likes physical contact, she likes sex, she likes to flirt etc she's only female. biologically no different than a female from opposite hemisphere. so don't project qualities on girls that don't exist.

sure all of this cultural/religion/ethnical things (nurture) have its impact but still they can't take away the nature of a woman. man-woman dynamic is universal and will work always and everywhere. this is just something that women respond to and the ones that don't react positively are the ones that are not attracted to the guy for some random reason (who cares what it is). so what i mean is that theres is no such thing as "how to pick up polish chicks" cause after you strip down the bullshit like upbringing/culture/geographical location etc biologically polish girl is the same as american girl with the same needs so the same shit stimulates her.

if you play pick up game executing moves one by one then i have no idea what works. however when you ditch the game and go full natural then completely different rules come into play.

i recommend going to the country you don't know the language AT ALL and try to pick up chicks there without using english. so basically no verbal game. zero. and you will see that it can be done because as they say (i have no idea if it's true) words are only 7% of communication and the rest 93% is pure nonverbal. so how would you pick up hot chick depending solely on subcomms? how's that for indirect style? ; )) yet it can be done. cause nonverbals are fundamentals and words are just cherry on the cake. however when you can't speak the same languege and go in with indirect nonverbals you have no chance. that's the essence of man-woman dynamic - pure direct subcomms. simply put actions speak louder than words.

but problem is that guys scared shitless, especially in this feminism era, so they do everything they can to lessen the tension. but that natural tension between man and woman is what creates and builds strong attraction. it's universal. same thing with escalation. it's the escalation, making the move what pumps up attraction, not talking and waiting for signals to be allowed to escalate. same with leading. remember oldschool mirroring? ok cool but when they're both mirroring each other then who's leading? nobody. game over.

classic oldschool game got it backwards cause it was made by nerds striving to avoid rejection and outsmart chicks. their game was flashy it looked good from the distance but (as they admit now) it was illusion as girls were not particularly sexually interested so they had to come up with tactical solutions to tactfully deal with many waypoints like bitch shield, isolation, lmr etc. well if you go full natural there is no lmr cause game is straightforward and there's no ambiguity what's going on from the get go.

things like "don't take a advice from local dude" sounds really childish. it only show that person behind that statement looks at this pu stuff from very superficial standpoint. doesn't get it in depth. i've learned the game from sources (i don't want to promote competition here) which helped me undestand it on a very very deep level. things like 'how to touch her?' or 'compliment or not?' does not matter to me at all cause it all depends on the place it's coming from.

example.. question like "Is it necessary for Polish girls to drink in order to get the SNL or for them to put out fast? I'm sure they dont drink as much as Icelandic girls but can one pull consitently without them drinking alcohol?" is completely irrelevant cause again it depends who are you and how rock solid is dude who does it. but i'm aware that guy wanted to know if there is direct correlation between drinking and SNLs with polish chicks. ok so i answer.. no! we fuck sober.. we're clean baby.. fuck all these drunk bitches.. i hate when she vomits on my dick i can't stand the heat.. ahhahahahaha.. ok seriously now isn't it obvious? drinking loosens up people. most people fucked cause they were drinking before. it's not polish thing for god sake, it's not the glitch in the matrix to specifically fuck polish chicks hahahahah it's worldwide. but again if you lead her, you make her comfortable, you elicit that adventurous side from her, you have awesome time with her then sure she will put out. seriously guys when i see questions like that i go.. WTF?

PS. i do not want to argue with nobody here. let's just share our experiences, knowledge, adventures take what we like and discard the rest silently

[Spartan]

(11-09-2011 01:21 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Chopin and XXL are both posting from Polish IPs. I think they are speaking on how it is for a Polish guy with Polish game to approach Polish girls.

If you're an American guy getting blown out or having their reactions from approaching Polish girls outside of Krakow or Warsaw, you're doing something very wrong.

I guess I must be.

I saw a girl reading a book yesterday and asked her if she knew of a cafe nearby. I didn't want to say "Is that a good book?" b/c I saw it was a textbook and it would have been silly.

She gave a short, curt reply. No smile.

Personally, I think Poland is way overrated. FSU countries are better.

Girls here are not interested in meeting guys. They don't make eye contact, they don't like guys approaching them and talking to them, and my Americanness doesn't impress them one bit.

Perhaps its my looks? I'm muscular and dress well...but I've got a receding hairline, so I look older than I am.

I remember when I first starting working out, I started getting interest from girls. Then, as my hair started to really thin out, that attention dropped off. However, in the FSU girls seem to prefer older guys which would explain why I still get interest from girls there, but not in more western/ feminist Poland where the accepted age difference is smaller.

-------------------------

Is it because I speak Polish to them? Would I do better talking in English? Or, at the very least playing the lost newcome type (ask directions or tell them I'm not from the city).

Is there a secret to this? What are the best venues in Poland? Malls, cafes, public transport, universities?

I've got 8 months left here, so I'll obviously keep trying.

[Roosh]

Spartan: what countries do you do well in? Can you describe success you've had elsewhere?

[Spartan]

(11-10-2011 07:55 AM)Roosh Wrote:  

Spartan: what countries do you do well in? Can you describe success you've had elsewhere?

I've done better in Ukraine and in the Dominican Republic.

Also, my friend from Israel has done better in his own country. He saw a girl on the street and tried to talk to her, but she completely blew him off.

I think I'm going to enjoy my time next year (when I move to the FSU).. I really wish I wasn't stuck in Poland for the next 8 months, but I have school here. It feels like a waste of time.

For example, I get very few responses in Poland for online dating, almost as bad as in the States. But, in FSU countries I'm getting plenty of responses (I write to them in Russian, I have studied it).

I feel like Poland isn't as bad as USA (where I don't do well at all), but not nearly as good as some other places. For example, another friend of mine went to China and had a blast...he's not getting anything here in Poland.

Do you have any recommendations? So far my plan is to continue practising day game, with little hope of actual success..more as a way to practice my social skills for next year, when I will live further eastwards.

I don't get it. I'm a well dressed American with a decent physique, and I'm a medical student. Its enough for girls in the Ukraine, but not in Poland.

[Roosh]

Successful in Ukraine but not Poland... you're the first guy with that problem and honestly I don't know what's going on. Just keep approaching until you figure shit out.

[chochemonger1]

(11-10-2011 03:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Successful in Ukraine but not Poland... you're the first guy with that problem and honestly I don't know what's going on. Just keep approaching until you figure shit out.

He said that he's been aproaching mostly in Polish. Could it be that "blending" in and knowing the local language and customs doesn't help at all and has the opposite effect, compared to Ukraine or Russia, where knowing Russian helps a whole lot. In other words, might Polish girls prefer the "foreign" experience when getting to know on their home turf?

[XXL]

(11-10-2011 04:22 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

I saw a girl reading a book yesterday and asked her if she knew of a cafe nearby. I didn't want to say "Is that a good book?" b/c I saw it was a textbook and it would have been silly.

She gave a short, curt reply. No smile.

when you feel more comfortable going indirect then leading conversation is key. like real LEADING. from what you writing i see (maybe i misinterpret it) that you mainly following meaning that you initiate conversation > she responds with whaterver > you hoped for better response > you lose composure > you give up. that's classic example reaction seeking when you bait, it doesn't hook so you can't pull.

daytime is funny cause girls don't help too much. i told you that. when you go in with casual question like about the book then sure she may answer but only out of politness. but you're still just a stranger asking for a book. when you don't keep talking don't flirt don't lead conversation she will turn around and bye bye. what do you expect? that she's supposed to be grateful that some guy bothered her in bookstore? she's not ready for it


check this video:

focus specifically on..

from 2:05
guy goes in indirect innitialy but only to stop them and then switches and expresses his real intentions quickly. when they laugh and start moving he doesn't let them go away. then handshake where he doesn't flinch and he reaches out his hand and doesn't pull back until they grab it, a few step forward to make it clear he's not gonna give up. they stop and talk to him giggling. and then what? he doesn't stop talking he starts another thread aka he's leading conversation AND steers where he wants.
after that short scene listen to what he says about indirect approach and pay attention to "cutting the bullshit" part.

2:52 - 3:02
this is more of direct approach. the dynamic is different. he goes in with compliment, holds eye contact, she instantly giggles, touches her hair, a bit surprised intimidated, she's leaning in submission, handshake. it's just different from the start.

(11-10-2011 04:22 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

Is there a secret to this? What are the best venues in Poland? Malls, cafes, public transport, universities?

i would go to places where people go to have a good time, to chillout and where socializing is "ok" like pubs or bars or squares or of course college campus venues. if your medical student you should know whole hive of cute girls.

like i said.. daytime socializing with strangers is not our thing. i mean they get some attention here and there like some eye contact exchange with someone in a bus or guy chatting her up in class, you know shit like that but these girls probably have never been properly approached in daytime before in their life. so have some empathy for these stuck up skanks and deal with their bullshit front. THEY WANT IT they're just completely not ready for it.

you can make indirect style work..
+ make sure you're relaxed and in talkative state
+ approach in a direct line unapologetically (that alone takes care of showing balls). get ready for surprised/cold reaction or rough landing
+ say something simple or ask question. simple things like that are within a girl’s reality. anything beyond and more fancy, flashy or too smooth may come across as over the top and weird
+ lead conversation changing topics. this way interaction is more illogical and fun cause you make it more unpredictable. she can't figure you out. she nas no idea where it is going
+ befriend by exchanging your names. now you're in. there's something magical about names that changes dynamic to more comfortable. she should be less anxious now
+ talk shit, have fun, get to know each other more, boring stuff like what do you like about your college etc. get her to invest and contribute more
+ if you like her tell her why you like her. girl wants to know that the guy likes her for her.
+ exchange contacts. experiment with not using word "number". instead.. "we should meet again" or "we should talk later" and pass her your phone. this has to be done very fucking decisively like you already know 100% she's yours
+ after getting her number stay with her a bit longer. don't do that "number and bye". maybe go somewhere together for few minutes.

truth is in daytime you can be almost like a lame ass having really normal/casual chat. no 'gaming' necessary. after all doing an approach alone is expression of confidence so overgaming with high octane routines is obsolete. i don't really prefer this way but that's only me.

hope that helps : )

[Spartan]

(11-10-2011 03:28 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Successful in Ukraine but not Poland... you're the first guy with that problem and honestly I don't know what's going on. Just keep approaching until you figure shit out.

I don't think its strange at all. In Poland, game is more important since girls know English. In Ukraine, language skills matter more than game. Thats why that place is better for me.

Thanks XXL for the tips. I will give them a try tomorrow during some daygaming at the mall.

[Pilgrim37]

(11-10-2011 04:27 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(11-10-2011 04:22 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

I saw a girl reading a book yesterday and asked her if she knew of a cafe nearby. I didn't want to say "Is that a good book?" b/c I saw it was a textbook and it would have been silly.

She gave a short, curt reply. No smile.

when you feel more comfortable going indirect then leading conversation is key. like real LEADING. from what you writing i see (maybe i misinterpret it) that you mainly following meaning that you initiate conversation > she responds with whaterver > you hoped for better response > you lose composure > you give up. that's classic example reaction seeking when you bait, it doesn't hook so you can't pull.

daytime is funny cause girls don't help too much. i told you that. when you go in with casual question like about the book then sure she may answer but only out of politness. but you're still just a stranger asking for a book. when you don't keep talking don't flirt don't lead conversation she will turn around and bye bye. what do you expect? that she's supposed to be grateful that some guy bothered her in bookstore? she's not ready for it


check this video:

focus specifically on..

from 2:05
guy goes in indirect innitialy but only to stop them and then switches and expresses his real intentions quickly. when they laugh and start moving he doesn't let them go away. then handshake where he doesn't flinch and he reaches out his hand and doesn't pull back until they grab it, a few step forward to make it clear he's not gonna give up. they stop and talk to him giggling. and then what? he doesn't stop talking he starts another thread aka he's leading conversation AND steers where he wants.
after that short scene listen to what he says about indirect approach and pay attention to "cutting the bullshit" part.

2:52 - 3:02
this is more of direct approach. the dynamic is different. he goes in with compliment, holds eye contact, she instantly giggles, touches her hair, a bit surprised intimidated, she's leaning in submission, handshake. it's just different from the start.

(11-10-2011 04:22 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

Is there a secret to this? What are the best venues in Poland? Malls, cafes, public transport, universities?

i would go to places where people go to have a good time, to chillout and where socializing is "ok" like pubs or bars or squares or of course college campus venues. if your medical student you should know whole hive of cute girls.

like i said.. daytime socializing with strangers is not our thing. i mean they get some attention here and there like some eye contact exchange with someone in a bus or guy chatting her up in class, you know shit like that but these girls probably have never been properly approached in daytime before in their life. so have some empathy for these stuck up skanks and deal with their bullshit front. THEY WANT IT they're just completely not ready for it.

you can make indirect style work..
+ make sure you're relaxed and in talkative state
+ approach in a direct line unapologetically (that alone takes care of showing balls). get ready for surprised/cold reaction or rough landing
+ say something simple or ask question. simple things like that are within a girl’s reality. anything beyond and more fancy, flashy or too smooth may come across as over the top and weird
+ lead conversation changing topics. this way interaction is more illogical and fun cause you make it more unpredictable. she can't figure you out. she nas no idea where it is going
+ befriend by exchanging your names. now you're in. there's something magical about names that changes dynamic to more comfortable. she should be less anxious now
+ talk shit, have fun, get to know each other more, boring stuff like what do you like about your college etc. get her to invest and contribute more
+ if you like her tell her why you like her. girl wants to know that the guy likes her for her.
+ exchange contacts. experiment with not using word "number". instead.. "we should meet again" or "we should talk later" and pass her your phone. this has to be done very fucking decisively like you already know 100% she's yours
+ after getting her number stay with her a bit longer. don't do that "number and bye". maybe go somewhere together for few minutes.

truth is in daytime you can be almost like a lame ass having really normal/casual chat. no 'gaming' necessary. after all doing an approach alone is expression of confidence so overgaming with high octane routines is obsolete. i don't really prefer this way but that's only me.

hope that helps : )

That video is shit!
What is it with some American guys saying "You're adorable" ...that's utter fag talk!

[XXL]

hahah and worrying about lines is less gay.. ahahaha

[chopperfire]

(11-08-2011 07:06 PM)Luckystar Wrote:  

(11-08-2011 06:57 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

Direct or Indirect street games works in "Eastern Europe" but let's not assume all countries in Eastern Europe are the same, it's one of the great things about this continent, a few miles one way, you're in a country where everything is totally different.

Ukraine day and night game works very well. In Ukraine when ever I go for a walk, I see a couple walking towards me, the girl almost always checks me out and even smiles at me, oblivious to the wretched heathen on her arm. It's as if she's saying "help, save me from a life with this primate!"

I approach girls day and night on the street in Ukraine, I would say 80% of the time I get a name and number(no kidding). I don't need "the game", I just say something like "hey, how's it going?, what's your name"

No shit.

Guys with good looks tend to prefer direct game because we can recognize a girl's attraction or we basically proposition her and odds are she is down.

The question is how does the average guy with average looks go about day game. In Poland, I would recommend the average dude to go indirect but keep an eye out for direct opportunities. We're really wasting our time talking about approaching Polish girls. They are the easiest girls to approach.

Men with good looks are fags and into boys. This is a fact. And in Eastern Europe, being good looking guy isn't all that it will take because the girls know the guy is possibly gay which is true in most cases.

[chopperfire]

(11-10-2011 04:22 AM)Spartan Wrote:  

(11-09-2011 01:21 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Chopin and XXL are both posting from Polish IPs. I think they are speaking on how it is for a Polish guy with Polish game to approach Polish girls.

If you're an American guy getting blown out or having their reactions from approaching Polish girls outside of Krakow or Warsaw, you're doing something very wrong.

I guess I must be.

I saw a girl reading a book yesterday and asked her if she knew of a cafe nearby. I didn't want to say "Is that a good book?" b/c I saw it was a textbook and it would have been silly.

She gave a short, curt reply. No smile.

Personally, I think Poland is way overrated. FSU countries are better.

Girls here are not interested in meeting guys. They don't make eye contact, they don't like guys approaching them and talking to them, and my Americanness doesn't impress them one bit.

Perhaps its my looks? I'm muscular and dress well...but I've got a receding hairline, so I look older than I am.

I remember when I first starting working out, I started getting interest from girls. Then, as my hair started to really thin out, that attention dropped off. However, in the FSU girls seem to prefer older guys which would explain why I still get interest from girls there, but not in more western/ feminist Poland where the accepted age difference is smaller.

-------------------------

Is it because I speak Polish to them? Would I do better talking in English? Or, at the very least playing the lost newcome type (ask directions or tell them I'm not from the city).

Is there a secret to this? What are the best venues in Poland? Malls, cafes, public transport, universities?

I've got 8 months left here, so I'll obviously keep trying.

Age has nothing to do with it. They like older guys that have the right financial balance. If you act like a pussyfied fag or are using the stupid "game" techniques that work on overweight American women, it doesn't work anywhere in Eastern Europe.

[Deb Auchery]

Ukrainian girls like older men, they are looking for father figures. So an age gape of 20 years+ doesn't always put girls off.

[XXL]

(11-17-2011 12:33 AM)chopperfire Wrote:  

If you act like a pussyfied fag or are using the stupid "game" techniques that work on overweight American women, it doesn't work anywhere in Eastern Europe.

ha! seems like chopperfire KNOWS

[Deb Auchery]

This is true, they don't like the feminised western men in Eastern Europe, a man is a man and........

In fact I recently return to London after a few months of being in Ukraine, and I was struck by how many men were acting gay