[soup]

I think a lot of game, and possibly all of it, is subtextual and has to do with body language and kino. This maybe a big exaggeration, but we all know that women are accessed through the physical and emotional.

That's why you can take a great routine and fuck it up if you have bad body language and you can say almost anything to a girl if you've got a very strong frame (as expressed in how you carry yourself).

So, maybe it's ok to have conversations about anything with girls so long as you constantly push to higher kino levels? Or is the text of your dialog inextricably linked to physical escalation?

I've had success having mundane conversations while riding the kino. and have found that some girls get really turned on by this talking/touch 'dissonance.'

[Giovonny]

I learned a few years ago, and I still really believe that...Its not what you say, it HOW you say it. Girls notice not just your body language, but also your eye ball movement, posture, voice tone, hand movements, style of dress, your smell, your level of grooming, your interactions with other people, and many more things. Without even realizing it, our subconcious mind is analyzing many different things things all at once. You can say all the right words, but if these other things are not presented properly, you can lose the girl.

(10-31-2011 02:20 AM)soup Wrote:  

I think a lot of game, and possibly all of it, is subtextual and has to do with body language and kino.

Yes. Not just girls, we all read "in between the lines". Girls are even more aware of this stuff.

(10-31-2011 02:20 AM)soup Wrote:  

you can say almost anything to a girl if you've got a very strong frame (as expressed in how you carry yourself).

Yes, frame is often more important then our topic of conversation.

(10-31-2011 02:20 AM)soup Wrote:  

maybe it's ok to have conversations about anything with girls so long as you constantly push to higher kino levels? Or is the text of your dialog inextricably linked to physical escalation?

If the girl is letting you escalate Kino then who cares about the text and topic. You can escalate with almost any text, just don't bring up abortion or politics in the middle of a make out. Keep the topics playful and fun.

Always be closing, no matter the topic. You can be seductive while talking about almost anything.

[muc]

Giovonny is right.

What I'd like to add is: I'm also still learning, but my impression is that there's mainly one thing that counts: Being relaxed.

If you're totally relaxed, mentally and physically (while of course keeping a good posture nonetheless) girls open very very easily. This is expressed in you with calm, steady eye-contact, slow speech and, like Roosh wrote in a blogpost, not giving a fuck.

Instead of thinking and over-analyzing all this stuff, there's only one worthwhile advice: Practice.

I started by fixing my posture first, then I practiced my eye-contact with anyone I met (also strangers on the street), then I added a smile, then I started approaching a lot. I travelled to places that really tested my comfort-zone. I worked out in the gym, I worked on my breathing to get a better voice.

[Giovonny]

(11-07-2011 03:32 AM)muc Wrote:  

If you're totally relaxed, mentally and physically

Exactly. You are always in total control. Nothing fazes you. Especially not some little whore walking down the street.

Don't get all excited. She will notice this and think you are a beta who never talks to girls.

[XXL]

(10-31-2011 03:08 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I learned a few years ago, and I still really believe that...Its not what you say, it HOW you say it. Girls notice not just your body language, but also your eye ball movement, posture, voice tone, hand movements, style of dress, your smell, your level of grooming, your interactions with other people, and many more things. Without even realizing it, our subconcious mind is analyzing many different things things all at once. You can say all the right words, but if these other things are not presented properly, you can lose the girl.

very truth.

@soup
if you want quick little fix then use more breaking rapport tone of voice. it's when the tone slopes down at the end of the sentence even if it's only 3 word. it sounds like the person interrogating you. it's like bosses talk to lazy employees. like fathers to their stupid daughters. if you can ask a question the way it sounds like a statement that's when you use BR tone. in terms of game BR makes you sound like you're screening, teasing or challenging other person. and when you use it your body language follows,

guys get ignored when they go in with compliment cause their tonation/inflection is fucked aka not demanding enough for a girl to take this guy seriously. that's really it girls don't take serious weak behaviour no matter how smooth the line is. voice tone is very important part of subcommunication

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