[madcaptravels]

hey guys
i was wondering if you had any thoughts...i am 27 years old and over the last couple of years about 70-80% of the women I meet are 30-35 years old.
This bothers me for a number of reasons...

1)the whole thing about 'the older the woman is the easier she is to pick up' - makes me feel that these women are all I deserve, or they are so desperate for any 'nice' guy they go for me...i chastise myself about this....but maybe it is because the circles i move in are 'older' anyway..food for thought...the qualification and affirmation and ego boost i would perceive mysef getting from younger girls is what i crave...

2) they want kids, long term relationships, stability....last night i met a 33 year old...i dreaded the 'how old are you?' question. lied, said i was 30.....women, in my experience, of this age are on a different course....and I hate feeling that I am the nice, stable, dependable, settling type guy....just they are at a different place in their lives....i am in the PARTY STAGE in my life, but all i meet are these women whom I perceive as being at the SETTLING STAGE of their lives...why dont i meet younger women who are also at the PARTY STAGE in their lives? this makes me think i am too dull or boring to do so!

conversations are more serious, they are more jaded, they make me feel older.....

3)in my mind younger girls...ie. 20 - 25 years are much more in demand, because they are in their PHYSICAL prime, lookswise, and I hate the feel of competition around them....because of youth/beauty they have more options..i perceive them as having bigger social circles because they are at university, college etc...well i guess not all of them 20-25 years old are in this position.......i feel like i am low down the rungs of the ladder in terms of being social, but i am told i am a handsome guy....they make me feel younger

Ok, I think i have realised that I want a 'university girl' who is younger than me...that brain dump helped me sort things out.

[Alpha]

(11-26-2011 08:09 AM)madcaptravels Wrote:  

the whole thing about 'the older the woman is the easier she is to pick up'

Younger girls are easier to pick up because they're stupid and naive. You're spitting some solid game if you're getting in and out and not getting stalkers.

(11-26-2011 08:09 AM)madcaptravels Wrote:  

but maybe it is because the circles i move in are 'older' anyway.

Social Circle game isn't really going to get you anywhere. Change up your venues and go to new bars, younger clubs, off the map coffee shops, barnes & noble (one of my favorite spots) - places where a younger crowd would gather.

(11-26-2011 08:09 AM)madcaptravels Wrote:  

i dreaded the 'how old are you?' question. lied, said i was 30.....

Shit-test or not, you should have toyed with her. Never give a woman direct answers. I banged a 36 year old and didn't tell her how old I was until after we fucked. At which point we fucked again. She had been asking all night, I'd tease her about it, neg her, and re-frame.

(11-26-2011 08:09 AM)madcaptravels Wrote:  

and I hate feeling that I am the nice, stable, dependable, settling type guy....

Then quit acting like that guy. Here, read this

(11-26-2011 08:09 AM)madcaptravels Wrote:  

why dont i meet younger women who are also at the PARTY STAGE in their lives? this makes me think i am too dull or boring to do so!

Change your venue. Go to places young girls gather.

(11-26-2011 08:09 AM)madcaptravels Wrote:  

I hate the feel of competition around them....because of youth/beauty they have more options..i perceive them as having bigger social circles...i feel like i am low down the rungs of the ladder in terms of being social

You need to get your inner game on lock. Find some positive affirmations and repeat them to yourself daily. This thread has a lot of good ones. Also this video is pretty good. Don't beat yourself, read this and then figure out what new venue you're going to hit tonight and then go in there, like the man you are, and dominate it. It's all a game, man. Never get too serious about it. You got this.

[Giovonny]

Location, location, location...

(11-26-2011 08:09 AM)madcaptravels Wrote:  

maybe it is because the circles i move in are 'older' anyway..

If you want younger girls, why are you hanging around older girls???

(11-26-2011 08:09 AM)madcaptravels Wrote:  

younger girls is what i crave...

If you really craved them, you would be hanging around them. I think you are just fascinated with them.

You are not actually trying to get them. You are just fantasizing about them.

Belief, belief, belief..

It sounds to me like you don't really believe that you can get younger girls.

After reading your post, I really only have 2 questions...

Why are you hanging around women that you don't even want?

Why are you doing things that you don't want to do?

[Timoteo]

Generally, people date/fuck who they have access to, so if all you're meeting is women in their 30s, it's a safe bet that you're someone moving in those circles and that's who has access to you. Most women, if they're going to settle down, will start getting serious about it at 30. There's little time to waste if they're going to find someone and push out a couple of kids. There's probably something mature about how you carry yourself, so while you look young, these women aren't quite sure how old you are.

You definitely need to find different venues/circles to gain access to the girls you prefer. Don't stop smashing 30-somethings (as you already know, there's good fucking to be had), but focus more of your energies on what it is you think you want. What about your boys? Where do they go chicken hunting?

[americanInEurope]

(11-26-2011 08:09 AM)madcaptravels Wrote:  

hey guys
i was wondering if you had any thoughts...i am 27 years old and over the last couple of years about 70-80% of the women I meet are 30-35 years old.
This bothers me for a number of reasons...

1)the whole thing about 'the older the woman is the easier she is to pick up' - makes me feel that these women are all I deserve, or they are so desperate for any 'nice' guy they go for me...i chastise myself about this....but maybe it is because the circles i move in are 'older' anyway..food for thought...the qualification and affirmation and ego boost i would perceive mysef getting from younger girls is what i crave...

2) they want kids, long term relationships, stability....last night i met a 33 year old...i dreaded the 'how old are you?' question. lied, said i was 30.....women, in my experience, of this age are on a different course....and I hate feeling that I am the nice, stable, dependable, settling type guy....just they are at a different place in their lives....i am in the PARTY STAGE in my life, but all i meet are these women whom I perceive as being at the SETTLING STAGE of their lives...why dont i meet younger women who are also at the PARTY STAGE in their lives? this makes me think i am too dull or boring to do so!

conversations are more serious, they are more jaded, they make me feel older.....

3)in my mind younger girls...ie. 20 - 25 years are much more in demand, because they are in their PHYSICAL prime, lookswise, and I hate the feel of competition around them....because of youth/beauty they have more options..i perceive them as having bigger social circles because they are at university, college etc...well i guess not all of them 20-25 years old are in this position.......i feel like i am low down the rungs of the ladder in terms of being social, but i am told i am a handsome guy....they make me feel younger

Ok, I think i have realised that I want a 'university girl' who is younger than me...that brain dump helped me sort things out.

have you looked online? that's the #1 place I get all my youngins. And bars. But I'm a young looking guy and I'm in shape so young chicks are also interested in me. But you don't have to have that going on. Just be around younger girls (like in bars or clubs... I bet you don't like bars or clubs do you?). Are you in a fun, playful mood when you're talking to them? If not I wouldn't even try to talk to them. It always helps me to playfully make fun of them or call them names. Hitting them or tickling them. Kinda breaks the ice. But don't go overboard. It's not cause you're too old. I'm older than you and fuck teenage girls and girls in their early twenties all the time. Granted this was in Europe lol, but I just moved back to the states and so far it doesn't seem impossible.

[thegmanifesto]

(11-26-2011 08:09 AM)madcaptravels Wrote:  

hey guys
i was wondering if you had any thoughts...i am 27 years old and over the last couple of years about 70-80% of the women I meet are 30-35 years old.
This bothers me for a number of reasons...

1)the whole thing about 'the older the woman is the easier she is to pick up' - makes me feel that these women are all I deserve, or they are so desperate for any 'nice' guy they go for me...i chastise myself about this....but maybe it is because the circles i move in are 'older' anyway..food for thought...the qualification and affirmation and ego boost i would perceive mysef getting from younger girls is what i crave...

2) they want kids, long term relationships, stability....last night i met a 33 year old...i dreaded the 'how old are you?' question. lied, said i was 30.....women, in my experience, of this age are on a different course....and I hate feeling that I am the nice, stable, dependable, settling type guy....just they are at a different place in their lives....i am in the PARTY STAGE in my life, but all i meet are these women whom I perceive as being at the SETTLING STAGE of their lives...why dont i meet younger women who are also at the PARTY STAGE in their lives? this makes me think i am too dull or boring to do so!

conversations are more serious, they are more jaded, they make me feel older.....

3)in my mind younger girls...ie. 20 - 25 years are much more in demand, because they are in their PHYSICAL prime, lookswise, and I hate the feel of competition around them....because of youth/beauty they have more options..i perceive them as having bigger social circles because they are at university, college etc...well i guess not all of them 20-25 years old are in this position.......i feel like i am low down the rungs of the ladder in terms of being social, but i am told i am a handsome guy....they make me feel younger

Ok, I think i have realised that I want a 'university girl' who is younger than me...that brain dump helped me sort things out.

Why don't you hang out at places where younger girls go out?

Or older places where young girls look to swoop older cats?

Hell, your 27, you are not even old by any stretch.

Are you in a small town or something? Doesn't seem like you would have that issue in a decent sized city.

[Deb Auchery]

I actually think younger girls(for me that means 16-20) are harder to score, older chicks understand you more as a man and your needs.They also need sex more than the younger girls

[Gmac]

A lot of it can be attributed to being much more mature than the younger women and it being difficult to relate. I've run into the same problem with the sub 25 crowd.

[Excelsior]

(01-14-2012 06:38 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

A lot of it can be attributed to being much more mature than the younger women and it being difficult to relate. I've run into the same problem with the sub 25 crowd.

I run into this issue right now, and I'm 20. Been that way for most of my life, actually.

I honestly can't wait to get older.

(01-14-2012 04:15 PM)Deb Auchery Wrote:  

I actually think younger girls(for me that means 16-20) are harder to score, older chicks understand you more as a man and your needs.They also need sex more than the younger girls

They're harder to score for several reasons.

1. Firstly, maturity. Adolescence in our society doesn't seem to end until 25+, so you'll find a lot of 20 year old kids out there. Attractive girls, who due to their looks are often put on pedestals for much of their existence, are even more prone to this. They're treated like princesses, and act accordingly. Princesses are hard to please.

2. This leads to the second reason why younger girls are often harder to score: demand. These are the most desired and sought after girls in the country. In her physical prime, a hot young girl can hold the attention of hundreds of guys at one time. Every mediocre camwhore pic she throws up on facebook gets 100+ likes and 100+ comments from guys about how lovely she is, with that amount of attention sometimes coming within an hour of the pic being uploaded. She receives free meals and services and tickets to big events, and is courted by a host of good looking, wealthy and/or popular guys every time she goes out (plus hundreds and hundreds of additional beta orbiters who serve to feed her ego). You can obviously see how this make things difficult for any one guy to court her-there's just so much going on that you can't make much of an impression.

This all begins to tone down during her late 20's, and will often have disappeared by her early 30's. Naturally, with all of that buzz removed, she'll be easier to court and/or potentially more anxious/needy for male attention. Don't underestimate the psychological impact that this decline has on women-when you've been a princess your whole life, it becomes difficult to suddenly no longer be the center of attention. It isn't easy to watch guys who once, without even knowing you well, would have literally taken bullets for you when you were in your prime start to simply blow you off or pass you by.

3. The biological clock. Women want to reproduce, every last one of them. Do not listen to them when they say children aren't in their future (as some younger girls are prone to state): if the itch to become a mother hasn't hit them at 22-23, it WILL, with very few exceptions, hit in their early/mid 30's, earlier if she falls hard for a particular guy before then.

By 28-30, fertility begins declining. They had all the time in the world when they were 17-20, and at peak fertility. Now she has a hard clock to adhere to. Combine this with her declining appeal to guys, and you can see how she'll get a little anxious and easier to court. She's now forced to think of a more mature long-term mating strategy than she's ever really had to consider before, and fast. For most women, that means cutting down that 455 bulletpoint checklist for guys.

4. Finally (and this can tie in with the point about maturity), short-sightedness. Your average young chick can't see that far ahead in life, and isn't able to conceive of a time in which they won't be getting the attention they currently get. They're young NOW, hot NOW, and want to have fun NOW. As far as they're concerned, NOW = forever. Now is absolutely sacred to them, and any man who tries to run up on them is a potential threat to their god given right to enjoy NOW to the fullest, especially if he (like a lot of betas) tries to angle for something more serious too early. Short-term gratification is their god.

Their world is just one big rotating sphere of flashing lights, club bangers, drunken hook-ups and other short term things. Think of their mental state as one of permanent ADD, and treat them accordingly.

[scorpio]

A lot of oversimplification here.

Older chicks have more emotional baggage and are better manipulators. Pick your poison. Also, hot chicks get a lot of attention when they get older, they just get it from different sources.

I'm not sure a lot of them are desperate to find a guy. Some probably are, but a lot of them frankly don't give a shit. Some of them are doing better career-wise than most of the guys they meet, so they start developing spinster game. You see these chicks all the time. They're hanging with their girlfriends every week. SMH.

[Iceinthewater]

I tend to attract more mature, intelligent women, but the key to getting younger chicks is to focus more on emotional spiking - teasing and touching are huge. you probably have great convo, but not playing enough. you say older women make you feel jaded and older. I wonder if you already feel this way and that's why you attract that.

[rudebwoy]

Roissy has a great article on dating girls by age!

The trouble is girls between age 25 - 29 are hard to find unless you have a strong social circle.

Why would you lie about your age? They are old not you, I am sure they don't care as long as you are not a teenager.

[Gmac]

(01-15-2012 09:28 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Roissy has a great article on dating girls by age!

The trouble is girls between age 25 - 29 are hard to find unless you have a strong social circle.

The answer for this is of course, online dating.

[Iceinthewater]

(01-15-2012 09:28 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Roissy has a great article on dating girls by age!

The trouble is girls between age 25 - 29 are hard to find unless you have a strong social circle.

Why would you lie about your age? They are old not you, I am sure they don't care as long as you are not a teenager.

idk 25-29 is super easy for me - that's all I get unless I'm consciously making an effort to go after college chicks.

in major cities late 20s chicks are super available.

[rudebwoy]

GMAC - online gaming is crazy stupid in my city (Toronto), women I would not talk too on the street with inflated attitudes.

[Downunder]

Enjoy them 30+ women!

I certainly do

[jackson.henley]

Is this is experience you have had in Ireland or in other countries too? As I'm sure you know Ireland falls within the same messed up anglo-american mind-set (along with UK, Canada, USA (duh), NZ and AUS). These are the most anti-patriarcal countries in existence today.

No patriarchy = no looking up to older, more confident men = only older pussy is left over for you.

[Neo]

(11-26-2011 08:09 AM)madcaptravels Wrote:  

and I hate feeling that I am the nice, stable, dependable, settling type guy...

Take an honest look at your vibe. Many women between 30-35 want that stable dependable guy. When you interact with girls you may be giving off this vibe which the the older ones then select you for. Younger girls may think that you come off as 'too serious, or stable.'

In my experience younger girls can give a shit about a guys status or stability. They just want excitement, the same girl who was banging a string of drug dealers at 21, will want a stable guy with a good job at 32.

So my suggestion is look at yourself, your vibe, and your actions. With the younger girls, you have to act differently. Be more flaky, adventurous, new, and interesting. Be more of a dick. The same type of game that may backfire with an older women looking for stability is gold with a younger girl looking for excitement. Be like a chameleon, and change yourself depending on what types of girls you are trying to bang.

[vicen]

I'm 27 and prefer younger girls too. Last girl I fucked was 19.

1. As everyone said you need to change the venues you go. Go to places with a younger crowd.

2. Try to have some friends younger than you. I have a lot of 22-23yo friends that I regularily hang out with, they help you to stay in touch with music/tv/whatever younger people do. Pay attention to their expressions, oneliners, and in general to the vibe they have. You will become a little more like them. Keeping a conversation with a young girl will be a lot easier and you'll never run out of topics. Keep your mind young.

3. Stay in good shape. Work out. Eat well. Hair helps. Keep your body young.

4. Dress like they do. Jeans, a fit t-shirt and some decent sneakers are a good start.

5. When the "how old are you?" question comes don't lie, don't give a fuck. If you dont care about your age she won't care.

6. As roissy posted some time ago, be specially aware of not look needy.

Besides we are still very young, you won't have problems getting younger girls.

[Luckystar]

(11-26-2011 08:09 AM)madcaptravels Wrote:  

hey guys
i was wondering if you had any thoughts...i am 27 years old and over the last couple of years about 70-80% of the women I meet are 30-35 years old.
This bothers me for a number of reasons...

There is honor in this sentiment. Good for you, man.

Guys have been bamboozled into taking pride in and preferring 30+ yr old grandmas (ie. cougars). Feminist indoctrination at its worst.

Second worst, is 'big is beautiful'. Guys lovin up on fatties.