[BaatumMania]

(08-26-2018 10:53 PM)Spaniard88 Wrote:  

(08-23-2018 08:01 PM)yankeetravels Wrote:  

^I don't think that's why. From what I hear, Asians tend to group all westerners together anyway. The two main reasons I'd say for declining visas are that English levels are probably improving within the countries since this started decades ago, so that could save schools from outsourcing to westerners versus just hiring a native for cheaper. The second reason is online ESL is claiming it's stake in the game. There's a ton of websites now where westerners can sign up to be English tutors from their laptops. Creates less need for schools on the ground besides international schools.

Maybe the booming economy in the West is playing a part?

Now that jobs are plentiful, taking off for a year or more to teach English abroad on a reduced salary versus the home country will be less of a draw for many.

I wonder if the "Teaching English Abroad" scene booms during economic busts in the West.

There could be a correlation there.

Actually when I taught in Korea last year it was very difficult for schools to hire a white foreigner.

White foreigners were very common in Korea in the 2000s. Because first 9/11 made a huge dip on the U.S. economy and 2008 made an even bigger one.

But now most white college graduates have good job prospects so a lot of Korean schools are annoyed that it's hard to find a white foreigner (they are skeptical and suspicious of non-white Americans thinking they might be speaking ebonics or hood dialects).

[MongolianAbroad]

What do you guys think is a good web camera for hooking up to a macbook pro if we're teaching English online?

Thinking of buying one just in case I decide to go the teaching route. I'm assuming the built-in macbook pro camera isn't ideal?

I already bought a simple headset/microphone combo. Thinking of getting a separate microphone as well, I liked this one:

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B004QJOZS4

It had a bunch of good reviews, lots of affiliate marketers/youtube dudes promoting it. But I don't necessarily need that, my headset/microphone combo is probably good enough on that end. Not sure about the built-in camera though.

[buja]

I used a $25 Logitech webcam yesterday to teach a lesson on my MacMini.
It's one of these kinds:
https://www.amazon.com/2NZ6718-LOGITECH-...0072I0ULM/
It's light and rests on top of the monitor.
The built-in camera on your MacBook should be just fine.

I only used the webcam's microphone - no video (audio only lesson) and it worked great.

I also use it for video chat and it works great.
I have a $50 Logitech webcam and it works great too and with much higher video resolution.

Your headset/microphone combo should be fine.
Test it out and find out if they can hear you well and you can hear them.

That microphone in the Amazon link would give a much better sound than a headset mic. It may not be necessary though.

If your voice is really deep/bass heavy some countries such as Russia with bad Internet might result in your voice sounding unintelligible in that country. In that case, that Amazon microphone will help.
(You shouldn't have that problem with Korea)

Test your equipment with someone on a call and also record yourself to make sure your have good microphone technique...not overloading your mike by talking too loud, popping your p's and t's, etc.

If you move the mic slightly above your top lip, you'll avoid popping p's and t's and avoid sibilance.

[chrisblackbeard]

Teaching English is my backup plan for income when I move to Asia this winter

[MongolianAbroad]

(02-17-2016 02:33 AM)RustyShackleford Wrote:  

After doing some research on various forums and Youtube, as well as a friend who had traveled to SEA for a while I have some insights that I can share .

http://ninjateacher.com/

This guy Alex Stevenson has a bunch of youtube videos and from I have found out is that faking a degree is not the best idea for a more developed country. Korea and Japan need full transcripts sealed. Korea especially was a priority of mine but from what I have looked at they are really cracking down on public programs. They had 2 programs EPIK and TALK and it seems that the EPIK program is now shut down, where the TALK program is still going, but you would be teaching elementary students in rural areas.

http://www.internationalteflacademy.com/...i=14028985

However in Vietnam it's possible to still get a job without a degree if you are white and a native speaker. Most teachers in Vietnam (90%) are on tourist visas because the work visas take way too long to come back from the government. So most teachers do visa runs to Bangkok or elsewhere and come back in the country after 90 days.

Hence, a degree is not required for Vietnam even though the websites state it is. It's suggested by most people to simply fly to Vietnam on a tourist visa and get a job there through networking and other expats. I will be flying to Vietnam early April and I will probably poke around and see if I can get a job being honest about only having an Associate's Degree but from a friend who spent 6 months there he said it will be no problem if you are white and a native speaker.

It would also be easier to sleep at night being honest.

Thank you! I know this was posted a while ago, but still, reading through the whole thread, and wanted to say thanks anyways.

[MongolianAbroad]

(08-24-2018 01:13 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  

I jacked my fucking claustrophobic Big Provider TEFL job here in 2nd tier Vietnam.

I told an ex-colleague last night "its just a circle of soy boy geeks and fempat unfuckable ham planets, they make the workplace a living hell."

I had to get out.

Spoke to a Viet director and MBA graduate from the big city just now. He said the difference between associating with miserable Tefl managers and other successful expats is night and day.

How was your overall experience living in 2nd tier Vietnam? In general, but as far as dating, specifically.

EDIT (just saw your datasheet), for anyone also curious: thread-68171.html

[MongolianAbroad]

Damn, I finally finished the thread.

[chibluu]

[Spam]

[fmman]

Don't you have to be quite good in the native language of the country in which you are teaching the English? A friend was suggesting I could go to France to teach English but my French is 1st year school level

[airelibre]

Not at all. I went to Korea speaking exactly zero Korea (learned some while I was there). Language schools just want native English speakers (in Asia, white native English speakers specifically) because your job at these language schools isn’t really to make the kids proficient, it’s to keep up the schools image, impress parents, entertain the kids in English. Seems cynical but it’s the truth in my experience (5 years in language schools in Korea).

Speaking the local language might be useful in the classroom to build rapport with students, which is good. It will certainly help make living abroad more comfortable, and give you opportunities with local ladies whose English isn’t so good. However, speaking the local language absolutely is not a requirement to teach English abroad, as far as future employers are concerned.

[Teacher Charles]

Hi !


I taught English in a Chilean public school for 8 months with the English Opens Doors Program.

I you want to read about my experience, follow this link !

Teacher Charles

[Pokerbaby]

(02-15-2019 01:12 PM)fmman Wrote:  

Don't you have to be quite good in the native language of the country in which you are teaching the English? A friend was suggesting I could go to France to teach English but my French is 1st year school level

A lot of schools prefer that you DON't speak the local language because if you do, a lot of kids will start using the local Language and will rely upon that as a safety net.

[flyinghorse]

(02-16-2019 01:30 PM)Teacher Charles Wrote:  

Hi !


I taught English in a Chilean public school for 8 months with the English Opens Doors Program.

I you want to read about my experience, follow this link !

Teacher Charles

That looks like a great experience.

The only thing that puts me off is going from earning over 2000 dollars a month in asia to 300 dollars a month in South America.

If it was a cultural decision I think most people would go to south America.

[NonDrifter]

Hey, guys, this has been something I have been considering for quite a while.

Last year I had an interview with a legitimate company in China that was going to pay me 2k plus and put me up in a private apartment.

Of course, the caveat was all the bureaucracies, verification, notarization, and background check needed.

I also had 2 offers from "training schools" for the tune of around $1500 with "business visa" requiring me to leave every 2-3 months.

That said I've been checking out online and it seems like countries like Taiwan, Vietnam, Thailand, and Indonesia that are still looking for teachers with just a degree and a TEFL.

My first pick would be Taiwan because it pays the most.

I don't think the crackdown has started in Taiwan yet has it?

Looks like teachers can still make sure pretty good coin teaching English average from what I have seen is around $20 an hour, $1800-$2000+monthly.

I'm just curious because unlike China I am not seeing the mountain of requirements and hoops and loops to jump through to get a working visa.

I do have 2 years of teaching experience online to adults and some children online mostly from the middle east but also from Asia.

As I a black guy I am sure I will have to work twice as hard as the typical white guy to get a job, but I'm used to overcoming so I am not really that concerned.

Only trade-off I am wrapping my head around is possibly having to shave

I know "buying a degree" is frowned upon in some circles, but I did attend a big 12 university some years back and also community college.

So I can look and speak the part.

Either way, it can't hurt having "official" qualifications because at least I could open the door to more options for teaching online.

While I do enjoy teaching English and helping people learn this necessary language it is mainly to be used as a stepping stone for my online business I am working on currently.

However, I'm debating on returning back to Mexico(long term), or hitting up Colombia working from home online+teaching English online part time

OR

Taking the plunge to Asia(Taiwan), with "degree" in hand and TEFL.

Dave ESL cafes seem to have some solid leads. I would be in contact with a school before I leave to get a feel for what they need.

I don't have a background perse but I got a DWI a few years back. I know China had a laundry list of requirements, but I haven't seen that with Taiwan quite yet and they seem to pay a little on par with China.

As ambitious as I feel, I am confident that I could just go with a "degree", my online teaching experience and a TEFL and do well, but it never hurts to get counsel from guys who have experience and have done it already.


What's the verdict on buying a high-quality degree online and doing an online TEFL certificate for working in Asian countries aside from South Korea and China?

[AWright]

How is teaching esl online? How much money do you guys who do it get a month? Is it good for gaining teaching experience?

[kapitaw]

Teaching online is a pretty sweet gig depending on your time zone, disposition, and experience. You could market yourself and develop your own curriculum to target businessmen but most online ESL companies work with children, so you have to like children and be willing to do a little song and dance for them. The industry is strongest right now in China, with a few companies leading the way.

You can make around $14-22 an hour depending on your experience. Always ask for more in the interview. I had experience in the ESL field and working with children and make $20 an hour. Four hours a day, six days a week and I'm at give or take $2,000 a month. Nothing to brag about obviously but for certain expats that can be enough to live on very comfortably. My time zone works out though, I work 7-11 am whereas US based teachers work graveyard hours and that money isn't much in the US.

As for valuable experience, depends on what you see yourself doing in the future. If you want to work with kids, teach ESL, or work in online education it can be good experience but for most people it's either supplemental income or a well paying side hustle while working on your own thing. I've been doing it for 1.5 years now and honestly it's been a godsend and time saver while I plan my next steps. Let me know if you have any other questions or are interested in applying.

edit: just realized I gave a very similar explanation about 1.5 years ago. go back and read the past couple of pages, there's some good info on the pros and cons of online ESL teaching

[NonDrifter]

(03-28-2019 02:07 PM)kapitaw Wrote:  

Teaching online is a pretty sweet gig depending on your time zone, disposition, and experience. You could market yourself and develop your own curriculum to target businessmen but most online ESL companies work with children, so you have to like children and be willing to do a little song and dance for them. The industry is strongest right now in China, with a few companies leading the way.

You can make around $14-22 an hour depending on your experience. Always ask for more in the interview. I had experience in the ESL field and working with children and make $20 an hour. Four hours a day, six days a week and I'm at give or take $2,000 a month. Nothing to brag about obviously but for certain expats that can be enough to live on very comfortably. My time zone works out though, I work 7-11 am whereas US based teachers work graveyard hours and that money isn't much in the US.

As for valuable experience, depends on what you see yourself doing in the future. If you want to work with kids, teach ESL, or work in online education it can be good experience but for most people it's either supplemental income or a well paying side hustle while working on your own thing. I've been doing it for 1.5 years now and honestly it's been a godsend and time saver while I plan my next steps. Let me know if you have any other questions or are interested in applying.

edit: just realized I gave a very similar explanation about 1.5 years ago. go back and read the past couple of pages, there's some good info on the pros and cons of online ESL teaching

Hey, bro thanks for that post. I am getting ready to start traveling again and I really think this is a good option to go. It's really awesome to hear that the goal I have of $20 an hour is actually possible from someone else who has done it. Working 4 hours, 6 days a week netting 2k more or less is not a bad gig, for a guy living in Latina America, South East Asia or heck even some places in Eastern Europe. Not to mention if that guy is building an online business also or side hustle also.

I'll be hitting you up in P.M. after I sift through these 40 pages. The only reason I skipped around because I know a lot of the stuff has changed since the original post was put out on page one.

Better yet maybe I'll rummage through your post count and find it.

Either way big thanks, man.

Also for guys looking to get started here is a good resource guide not only for teaching English online but also teaching abroad. It has a plethora of resources, and online companies you can apply for, the ratings, reviews, qualifications, resume building etc.

https://oetjobs.com/start-here/

[scipiu]

I'm not looking to teaching English, as I'm not a native speaker and read the pay is rather low. Instead, I'm interested in teaching at international high schools. I have a master's degree in a commonly taught subject at school and could easily teach it in English.

Are there people on this forum who have expierence at American/British style international colleges? How's the pay? I don't have a teaching degree per se, but I obtained my master's degree at a top 100 rated university so I guess that could compensate.

[Polero]

The pay will depend on many factors: experience, qualifications, location of the school, the way you sell yourself, the appeal of the school, supply/demand of the market etc
If we're talking about international schools, for the good ones you're going to need a teaching licence. Shitty schools may not require a teaching licence but working there will probably suck.
There's a thread on international schools, I suggest you take a look at it.

[RaulValdez739]

(12-22-2018 11:33 PM)MongolianAbroad Wrote:  

Damn, I finally finished the thread.

Delete

[RaulValdez739]

(10-04-2018 10:55 PM)chrisblackbeard Wrote:  

Teaching English is my backup plan for income when I move to Asia this winter

What is the primary plan?

[JR301]

Is there any chance of getting a teaching job in japan with either a telf and or celta? Or is it a university degree or nothing?

[tomtud]

Slim to none chance of getting a teaching job in a private American/British school without the teaching license.

[STEEL_WARRIOR]

Well I think my time in Vietnam is coming to a close. After this school year is finished I'm going to either get a job in Saudi, China or get the one year teaching bachelor degree and be a real teacher back home.

I would be keen on China. If anyone wants the recruitment bonus for me send through the offer PM. I tick all the boxes NES,White,Degree,Basic Hygiene and not a junkie, ECT.

I don't really know what is a good deal over there I do about 20 hrs per week in Saigon at public schools and University I'd prefer a gig like that. About 20k RMB or more a month sounds good. What is everyone on in China?

Would prefer a city with the ability to drive motorcycles, not a tier 1 city. Gonna do some research and see what cities in China fit the bill.

[Fitman2018]

Keep in mind to teach English if you are living in even NYC/Miami Time, hours are 6-9am. If you are in most Latin American countries it is one or two hours before that. Not a bad gig but the hours are the biggest downfall especially for those who want to live in a cheap city like in Mexico, Colombia, or Peru.