[Celtic]

This is actually way more dangerous than you realize. I had a pregnancy scare with a Filipina a couple of years back. It turned out to be a lie, but it was frightening as all hell. I met with a local lawyer said it works like this:

The woman contacts your division of child support enforcement in your home State, which then will compel you to take a DNA test. If you are the father of the child, your wages will be garnish and sent overseas.

It should be noted that the US has child support enforcement treaties with a number of countries that explicitly allow these types of international child support claims. However, even if there is NOT a child support treaty in place, a US Child Support agency will still process the claim of a foreign woman against an American man anyway. They will do this even though an American woman would not be able to press a claim against a man from that other country who knocked her up.

How's that for American feminism?

[deepcov3r]

(10-23-2011 10:53 AM)Celtic Wrote:  

..... I met with a local lawyer said it works like this:

The woman contacts your division of child support enforcement in your home State, which then will compel you to take a DNA test. If you are the father of the child, your wages will be garnish and sent overseas.

It should be noted that the US has child support enforcement treaties with a number of countries that explicitly allow these types of international child support claims. However, even if there is NOT a child support treaty in place, a US Child Support agency will still process the claim of a foreign woman against an American man anyway......

Holy shit I didn't believe this on first reading it, but here is a lawyer looking for this kind of business:

web address:
taylorwillingham dot com slash practice-areas slash international-law slash child-support-application

US Federal govt rules ( of interest is that States can establish child support agreements with other countries even if the Feds don't have one. )

Web addr: state dot gov slash documents slash organization slash 86823.pdf

It raised the question: What if you have an income source in the USA but you are physically out of the USA, then leave the country where the child is under unfavorable circumstances? Say you're sending her $150 a month for food for the kid.

For example, you have a child in Philippines, the child's mother treats you lousy so you clear out to Poland but send the estranged mother money for the kid. (Which might be used as proof against you. Better send money anonymously)

I kind of doubt the Poles are going to come looking for you to force you to take a DNA test.

But maybe the USA will just take your money based on "woman=right, man=wrong?"

One saving grace in the above "application" is that it looks like there's a 20% limit on how much of your income they can take. Within the USA they can take far more.

[oldnemesis]

(10-23-2011 02:54 AM)Athlone McGinnis Wrote:  

That guy had some cajones. I wouldn't even think of trying to pull this type of plan off in the USA.

It works the same way in the USA, it is just you need much more money.

[gringoed]

I'm not worried about a girl who makes less than $10k per year putting up $20k+ to pursue me for child support. Just to be safe, however, I'd keep my real last name and address private, only interact through email while away, only log in to the email account in a place like a public library, and send money anonymously. I dont think there's any way I can be tracked down realistically with those precautions in place.

I've actually evolved my thinking a bit on this. I'd really prefer to support my kids as best I can and spend as much time with them as is feasible. I make plenty of money passively so that's not a concern. Even if it takes most of my income, I think it's a worthy way to spend $$. Especially if my kids are in countries where $200/month takes care of basic necessities.

Now I'm wondering whether it would be better to have multiple kids with the same mother, or spread it out to as many females as possible.

Just for fun, I decided to use my dateinasia.com account to cold message a bunch of girls in Thailand and Philippines whether they would be interested in having a child with me, even if I'm absentee. I've already gotten 3 enthusiastic "yes" replies, and this is without them even meeting me!

Another route I'm thinking is sperm banking. I heard I can't do it in the US because I'm too short, but maybe my sperm has higher value in 3rd-world countries. Anyone know about this?


Athlone- Great feedback. It's gotten to a point for me where if a girl isn't begging for my sperm during sex, it just feels kind of empty. I think it'd be hot for the chick to beg for my baby.

[el mechanico]

OK..I'll bite on this one..How tall do you have to be to sperm donate in the US as opposed to other countries?

[Excelsior]

(10-26-2011 06:41 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

OK..I'll bite on this one..How tall do you have to be to sperm donate in the US as opposed to other countries?

Info here for the US. Minimum is about 5'9", though obviously taller is better.

Not sure about other countries, but I'd suspect that if there is a demand for sperm donors outside of Europe, US and the rest of the Anglosphere, then height would be less of an issue. Those are the only places on Earth where average male height tops 5'9", as almost everyone else averages 5'8" or less. That I'm sure would lead to easier height restrictions.

[johnw28]

WIth Costa Rica it is 13 months that you have to pay before you can leave and yes there are many girls who try to become pregnant from a foreigner. They will hold you and not allow you to leave the county. Costa Rica also has recipricol child support laws with the US so, even if you do get out of the country you will have to continue paying. But if it is your spawn.... However I have a few male friends who intentionally knocked up a chick in CR for that reason, plus they cannot deport you as it is uncostitutional in costa rica to break up a family.

[Gmac]

Call me an asshole, but if I had 0 chance of it coming back to haunt me, I'd impregnate girls all around the world if I could. It is what we're wired to do after all. I just don't want to suffer the consequences. The key is not getting caught.

[johnw28]

Reality is the only way it would come back to haunt you is if you go looking for it in some of those foreign countries. Never let them know how long you are staying, and when it is time to go say you have a meeting you must attend. And when one is pregnant move onto the next country without looking back if that is what you want. Never let them know your real name, and never left them get a chance to get your passport number. For that reason alone it is best to bring them to a love hotel.

[Excelsior]

(10-29-2011 08:01 AM)johnw28 Wrote:  

Reality is the only way it would come back to haunt you is if you go looking for it in some of those foreign countries. Never let them know how long you are staying, and when it is time to go say you have a meeting you must attend. And when one is pregnant move onto the next country without looking back if that is what you want. Never let them know your real name, and never left them get a chance to get your passport number. For that reason alone it is best to bring them to a love hotel.

Or you could just forego all of that and pay them/support the kid. The mandates really aren't that expensive in many of these countries-you could even provide a little extra and have no serious burden. A couple hundred dollars a month(less, in many places) isn't too hard to shoulder if you've got a decent income.

[KingofScotland]

What's the point though? Why have kids all over the world you have to support because blatantly you really don't want to see them or care that much for them otherwise you wouldn't be jet setting all over the world getting woman in every country pregnant. You'd settle down and look after your kid instead of thinking a few hundred dollars a month is adequate parenting.

[Patrick Bateman]

I've also thought of "spreading my seed around the world" ..unfortunately it's not a very good moral or financial decision to make not to mention the stress you bring on the mother who you basically make a single mother. The smart thing to do is settle in a country and raise your children in that respective country. How would you feel if your father left your mother in her home country?

[oldnemesis]

(10-27-2011 08:54 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Call me an asshole, but if I had 0 chance of it coming back to haunt me, I'd impregnate girls all around the world if I could. It is what we're wired to do after all.

You're still young. Men generally mature slower, especially here in US. This is why the "why do most guys don't get married until they're 30+?" sound ridiculous to me - a lot of guys I see around just aren't mature enough until they're over 30. Didn't mean to offend anyone, just my opinion.

Now I'd speculate, but I'd say in ten years you'd be very happy that you didn't have such option.

[Excelsior]

(10-30-2011 06:41 PM)oldnemesis Wrote:  

You're still young. Men generally mature slower, especially here in US. This is why the "why do most guys don't get married until they're 30+?" sound ridiculous to me - a lot of guys I see around just aren't mature enough until they're over 30. Didn't mean to offend anyone, just my opinion.

Now I'd speculate, but I'd say in ten years you'd be very happy that you didn't have such option.

Maybe. I'm 20 now-perhaps in 10-15 years(which is the minimum it would take to make a plan like this viable) I'll be thinking differently and this idea won't seem as appealing.

That'd be nice, I suppose. We'll see.

(10-30-2011 07:15 AM)KingofScotland Wrote:  

What's the point though? Why have kids all over the world you have to support because blatantly you really don't want to see them or care that much for them otherwise you wouldn't be jet setting all over the world getting woman in every country pregnant. You'd settle down and look after your kid instead of thinking a few hundred dollars a month is adequate parenting.

You're projecting. Its fine if the idea is unappealing to you, but it is unwise to make assumptions about the mindset of those who disagree with you, especially when you don't need to. I explained myself pretty clearly earlier in this thread.

(10-30-2011 08:13 AM)Patrick Bateman Wrote:  

How would you feel if your father left your mother in her home country?

Happened to me, so I guess I'd feel...like I do now?

[iknowexactly]

Some have argued that the only important philisophical question is whether to kill oneself.
I disagree. I think it is whether to have kids.

Why? Because you are already doomed to die. So by killing yourself, you only affect the time of your death, not it's inevitability.
It's relatively insignificant, unless you are an epochal genius and you really affect humanity when you die.

However, choosing whether to have kids or not is a much stronger statement showing your answer to:

"IS LIFE WORTH LIVING? "

Only a sadist or a truly thoughtless person would have children if they believe not. Since I think this is the fundamental existential decision, I feel it is really absurd to try to tell someone else what to do regarding this.

Who the hell knows if their world is worth living through?

--and, I can't resist--

Who in the world knows if their hell is worth living through?

[Patrick Bateman]

I think thats pretty selfish honestly..so you would leave your child behind in a foreign nation bc your father did it to your mother? It sucks to not grow up with both parents in your everyday life.

[Excelsior]

(10-31-2011 10:55 PM)Patrick Bateman Wrote:  

I think thats pretty selfish honestly..so you would leave your child behind in a foreign nation bc your father did it to your mother?

That isn't the reason. You asked me a hypothetical and I simply gave you an answer. My father did leave my mother, but that isn't the motivator for this idea of mine.

The real reasoning for all of this was explained clearly by me earlier in the thread.

Quote:

It sucks to not grow up with both parents in your everyday life.

Well, I just do the math based on a simple question:
"What things would have made my childhood better?"
Then I ask
"If I went through with a plan like this, would I be able to give those things to my children?"

I've concluded with time that I would have been much happier with moderate contact with my father-a summer here, a weekend or two there, enough time for him to teach me a few things (if I'd had the chance to watch him around women even for a minute I'd have been far better off in grade school). That would have provided a better childhood than what I had. As it was, I never saw him in person so I felt disconnected at times, not knowing where/who I came from.

Another thing I would have liked: financial support. My mom and I struggled for quite a while. It made life tough, and to some extent still does today. If my father had provided some consistent financial support, that would have been nice.

Of course, I had neither of these things and am still an Ivy League athlete. Think about what any of my children would have:

-Financial support. When I was 6-8, we were barely off the welfare line and living in a roach infested efficiency in NYC. I had to struggle to get to a good school later in life. Any child I fathered in a place like Jamaica would live like the top 1%-I'd be able to guarantee great schooling, great housing, and good employment (if I could not guarantee these things, I wouldn't have the kid to begin with).

Even without being in the house I can guarantee any child I had a life of significantly higher quality than 99% of other children born in that country, in or out of wedlock, and one of greater ease/comfort than I had myself. Knowing I can do that, why not go forward?

-Contact: I'd be able to regularly visit any child I had, something I didn't get to enjoy as a kid. I've still never seen my father in person-none of my kids would have that issue. Contact will ensure that they'll have fewer existential crises than me, be less of a gameless wonder in grade school(if they're boys) and will have more substantial formative experiences than I did. My father had many hobbies/passions that he naturally could never teach me(though I somehow inherited many of them anyway). My kids wouldn't have this issue.

I had no father and still went pretty far. They'll have a much better shot than me.

So, though it all seems quite selfish (and is somewhat so, to be honest), the fact is that even by following a model like this, I'd pretty easily be able to give any child I fathered a much better life than I had, correcting most of the factors (lack of contact, finances) that made things tougher for me as a kid.

Knowing this...why not?

[Moma]

Athlone, do you actually know where your father is?

If he lives either on Jamrock or St Vincent, it's really quite affordable to go there.
Why not go and visit him since you are now an adult?

[Timoteo]

I've actually thought about this, but I think the only scenario in which I could father a kid that I didn't help raise would be for a woman that I was friends with, and she asked me to father a kid with her but wanted to raise it alone. I would legally sign over all rights to the child (kind of like what Michael Jackson had Debbie Rowe do), so if things got tough she couldn't try to hit me up. I'd be curious as to how the kid was doing, what the kid looked like, etc. (hopefully she'd send pictures, etc.). The only thing I might insist on is being there in the delivery room for the birth, and holding the kid once (that would be a cool experience). I'm too paranoid about catching something to go roaming the world busting raw in chicks.

One thing men really have to be careful of is marrying and having children with foreign nationals, especially those from Brazil and China. They can go back to their home country with your kids, and you may never see them again. Brazil basically doesn't recognize your marriage - a chick can divorce you without your consent, and marry another dude and not allow you to see your kid. In China, they will always favor their own national over you. They don't have what we consider joint-custody (even with their own citizens - one parent gets custody, and the custodial parent decides when or IF you see your kids). If you fly over there and try to see your kids, they can and will arrest you. These are all things guys need to look into before fucking around in another country, or fucking with a foreign national in THIS country.

[Excelsior]

(11-01-2011 10:39 AM)Moma Wrote:  

Athlone, do you actually know where your father is?

If he lives either on Jamrock or St Vincent, it's really quite affordable to go there.
Why not go and visit him since you are now an adult?

He's actually in Chicago. I do have plans to get out there in time, but we'll just have to see how the logistics work out.
Again, my kids won't need to consider problems like this.

[MrLemon]

(10-20-2011 01:13 PM)el mechanico Wrote:  

Dude, If you know you have kids floating around and you're not helping/teaching them it will eat you from the inside out. Start with one and see how you feel about it. If I found out that I had one in Mexico or wherever I would be there making sure everything was good and if it wasn't I would fix it at all costs.
My .02 but I'm also a parent. If I was a scumbag dad my daughter would be fucked.

Ditto

Doing good things to help kids (or at least, avoiding doing anything to harm them) is the thing that you will remember on your dying day. Abandoning children is the surest way to live in a kind of mental hell of regret and shame that you will never escape.

Defending and protecting children is the most important part of a man's honor. Any man who doesn't do that, has no honor and will never receive anything but contempt from me and most other men.

Of course women try to hijack that "defend and protect children" instinct and stretch it to cover "defend and protect women". That's a classic example of how women try to manipulate the system and fuck over others for their own selfish benefit. I don't fall for that.

Or as the saying goes on the modern Titanic: "Children go to the lifeboats, Women can fucking drown with the rest of us."

[mpr]

Wondering if anyone has done this or has a kid overseas and how it's worked out. I would donate my sperm to a sperm bank here in the United States, but there isn't one geographically close enough to me. All the sperm banks that I've researched require multiple visits. Also the laws in the United States scare me. It seems like there are too many ways for the mother to come after the biological father; even if he only donates sperm.

I'm thinking about looking for infertile couples in 2nd or 3rd world nations that would like tall, educated, European-American sperm. Surely there must be poorer married couples that can't have kids in South/Central America or the Caribbean. That way I could offer them a financial incentive after I've donated sperm and have completed an DNA test to ensure that the child is biologically mine. Say $100 a month for a year to help them with the initial costs of caring for a baby. Also the kid gets raised in an intact family. I could also dangle the promise of me giving their child American as well as EU citizenship. But only once the kid turned 18 and they could no longer come after me financially though. I'd have to be mindful of opsec: give them all fake info, communicate over the internet with them using an anonymized connection, only donate in a country that doesn't have a reciprocal Child support agreement with the United States, and has very lax child support laws or none at all, etc. I hear that Mexico only recognizes child support for married couples. But I'd have to double check with a Mexican lawyer about that.

Ideally I'd have the woman tested for every STD in the book, take her to a beach side resort, and raw dog her for a week while she's taking fertility drugs. Obviously that would be a hard sell to her husband/boyfriend. So I might have to settle for knocking a chick up with a turkey baster; or knocking her up behind the husband/boyfriends back.

[Phoenix]

^ Are you high on some particularly horny-inducing drugs right now?

[Uruz]

I am actually thinking about doing this as organized trip around the world. Dont have really any moral boundaries, her only purpose in life is to get knocked up so why not provide her some superior sperm.

Tip: if you want to cover your ass a bit get fake ID on Khao San Road in Bangkok for 800bht and use it for signing up in hotel/apartment.

[mpr]

(03-01-2017 06:53 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

^ Are you high on some particularly horny-inducing drugs right now?

Phoenix - What can I say except...

I've found a lesbian couple in my town that would be willing to get knocked up by me. But the legal risks in the United States just aren't worth it. Not to mention the family lawyer I use charges $300 an hour. Even if I only used 5 hours of his time that would be $1,500 just to get the paperwork straight. That's money provides no guarantee of conception, doesn't cover the costs of using a sperm bank which would be legally required, or the costs of hotels and transportation.

Knocking up an infertile couple in a low or middle income country, and paying out a $50/month to $100/month stipend for a year. But only after conception has been achieved and after I've verified that the child is mine using a DNA test is a bargain in comparison. Especially given the fact that it's impossible to come after me legally if I do things right. And to even attempt to do that they'd have to find me, navigate the language barrier, and pay thousands of dollars for an American lawyer that they can't afford.