[nampa]

I think we all know it's a bad thing for dudes vis-a-vis, women, but at some time the game gets old and kids are the only thing left to do.

Anyone weigh in on marriage, theirs or others?

Thanks!

[Blackychan]

I plan on going to eastern Europe to find a wife and leave América for good. Going to renounce my us citizenship so she can't clam citizenship for herself or the kids. Also by leaving i can never get divorced raped like so many american men do every year. But yes marriage is the end game for the player because you get old and don't have the energy to chase women anymore.

[nampa]

unfortunately I am not able to work remotely with my career, well almost no possibility, there would be a huge step down. (and I would have to hide the fact I am not in country--would a VPN work?) Alternatively, I could be like Forney and write application essays, college papers and teach English, lol.

I assume you have an alternate, passive income. Why Ukraine? Isn't that country done:

a. visa free status
b. client state of faggot Zionist West and subsequent cultural destruction
c. the last legacy of soviet legacy destroyed
d. rump state with no future

[Dmoney]

I pulled the trigger recently, now in my early 40s. Results mixed so far. At the moment, things are good, but we did have some issues. Big issue for me is that my wife so far hasn't gotten preggers. Was quite an adjustment from being a bachelor w/ four girlfriends at a time. Not all bad. I can focus more on work. I went almost a year without getting a cold since I'm no longer exchanging saliva with five girls a week, and spending time in crowded bars. We did menage a few times, but, at the moment at least, I don't feel the urge for it. Other times, I really do get an urge to go on another rampage, and sometimes do really miss the olden days. I probably still need to learn 'married bro game'. I also almost don't drink alcohol now, which also means almost no hangovers, a big plus in my book. This is a good thing. Ability to focus relatively more on career and sports rather than chasing women is a good thing. Although the wife costs money, in truth, I have no accounting of how much money I blew chasing women over the years. It may be cheaper. I certainly eat out less overall, for example.

[Archivist]

Going to renounce my us citizenship so she can't clam citizenship for herself or the kids. Also by leaving i can never get divorced raped.

Renouncing U.S. citizenship does not cancel taxes.  A divorce will probably be governed by the laws of the country where you (and your assets) reside.  LOL at broke travel bums worrying about "divorce rape".  You obviously can't afford a lawyer, and probably have no assets to protect.

You could emulate Matt Forney by living with your parents and working on Fiverr.

[Blackychan]

Renouncing US citizenship does cancel taxes its called paying the exit tax so you're wrong about that.
https://www.greenbacktaxservices.com/kno...tizenship/

[nampa]

I pulled the trigger recently, now in my early 40s. Results mixed so far. At the moment, things are good, but we did have some issues. Big issue for me is that my wife so far hasn't gotten preggers. Was quite an adjustment from being a bachelor w/ four girlfriends at a time. Not all bad. I can focus more on work. I went almost a year without getting a cold since I'm no longer exchanging saliva with five girls a week, and spending time in crowded bars. We did menage a few times, but, at the moment at least, I don't feel the urge for it. Other times, I really do get an urge to go on another rampage, and sometimes do really miss the olden days. I probably still need to learn 'married bro game'. I also almost don't drink alcohol now, which also means almost no hangovers, a big plus in my book. This is a good thing. Ability to focus relatively more on career and sports rather than chasing women is a good thing. Although the wife costs money, in truth, I have no accounting of how much money I blew chasing women over the years. It may be cheaper. I certainly eat out less overall, for example.

How can a relationship survive with swinging? Does it survive, but the character is changed? Even if I wasn't screwing my wife anymore, the emotional wreckage of such a move would be too much.

[nampa]

I pulled the trigger recently, now in my early 40s. Results mixed so far. At the moment, things are good, but we did have some issues. Big issue for me is that my wife so far hasn't gotten preggers. Was quite an adjustment from being a bachelor w/ four girlfriends at a time. Not all bad. I can focus more on work. I went almost a year without getting a cold since I'm no longer exchanging saliva with five girls a week, and spending time in crowded bars. We did menage a few times, but, at the moment at least, I don't feel the urge for it. Other times, I really do get an urge to go on another rampage, and sometimes do really miss the olden days. I probably still need to learn 'married bro game'. I also almost don't drink alcohol now, which also means almost no hangovers, a big plus in my book. This is a good thing. Ability to focus relatively more on career and sports rather than chasing women is a good thing. Although the wife costs money, in truth, I have no accounting of how much money I blew chasing women over the years. It may be cheaper. I certainly eat out less overall, for example.

Is there anyway to marry a woman, have a family and keep her there, out of the reach of the USA divorce courts? Some countries have treaties with the USA, to unknown degrees of practical enforcement. What else is there? Is this sound?

[DC Guy 0822]

I think we all know it's a bad thing for dudes vis-a-vis, women, but at some time the game gets old and kids are the only thing left to do.

Anyone weigh in on marriage, theirs or others?

Thanks!

Only get married if you have the urge or inclination to be a father and raise kids for 18 years. If not there is absolutely no reason to get married in 2024. Marriage is inevitably monotonous and becomes more about routine and responsibility. I think Roissy back in the day described marriage best in his early writings, he correctly identified it as society's conditioning to make men give up their freedom and willingly sign up for a quasi prison-type existence. For the man with options it is mostly a bad deal. All these present day youtube Red Pill guys pushing marriage like it's some panacea are mostly young guys who have never been married (you would think experience with marriage would be a qualification for opining on what marriage can give men but it's not). 

As a married man if my current marriage ever ends I would never do it again. Men who do the marriage thing multiple times are crazy in my opinion.  

PS - My comments above obviously do not apply if you have taken the God pill and can't have a relationship with women without a government approved contract.

[Archivist]

Only get married if you have the urge or inclination to be a father and raise kids for 18 years.  ...  For the man with options it is mostly a bad deal.

I mostly agree that marriage is unnecessary if you don't have kids.

Many men don't have options.  They lack money, looks, style, height, status, and game.  Even men with game get tired of chasing skanks.  Good women get paired off.  If you think the pool of single women is bad now, look ahead ten years at the leftovers.  I started walking out on dates.

A lot of men don't have their shit together in their twenties.  They don't get good educations and credentials, and don't develop careers.  They also are unfit and unworldly.  Roosh was a hobo with one Zara "suit".  Quite simply, guys fail to launch.  By contrast, women outnumber men in college, and often have better early careers.

Kids are underrated.  Babies are cuter than any woman you can find, and offer pure love.  But you need to be financially, relationship, and emotionally stable to raise them.

You can get a prenup to maintain your assets.  But most of the manosphere guys were broke, with no careers.

[MonikaTayler]

I plan on going to eastern Europe to find a wife and leave América for good. Going to renounce my us citizenship so she can't clam citizenship for herself or the kids. Also by leaving i can never get divorced raped like so many american men do every year. But yes marriage is the end game for the player because you get old and don't have the energy to chase women anymore.

Your decision to move to Eastern Europe and renounce your US citizenship is a significant life choice with lasting implications. While you aim to protect yourself legally, it's important to ensure your motivations align with building a genuine, loving partnership. Marriage, as an "end game," should ideally bring mutual support, trust, and companionship, not just legal safeguards. Consider researching the cultural differences and expectations around marriage in your destination to ensure a harmonious relationship. Building a strong foundation for marriage requires effort and understanding, no matter where you are in the world.

[Dmoney]

I pulled the trigger recently, now in my early 40s. Results mixed so far. At the moment, things are good, but we did have some issues. Big issue for me is that my wife so far hasn't gotten preggers. Was quite an adjustment from being a bachelor w/ four girlfriends at a time. Not all bad. I can focus more on work. I went almost a year without getting a cold since I'm no longer exchanging saliva with five girls a week, and spending time in crowded bars. We did menage a few times, but, at the moment at least, I don't feel the urge for it. Other times, I really do get an urge to go on another rampage, and sometimes do really miss the olden days. I probably still need to learn 'married bro game'. I also almost don't drink alcohol now, which also means almost no hangovers, a big plus in my book. This is a good thing. Ability to focus relatively more on career and sports rather than chasing women is a good thing. Although the wife costs money, in truth, I have no accounting of how much money I blew chasing women over the years. It may be cheaper. I certainly eat out less overall, for example.

10 months later, I probably have a slightly more positive spin. The wifey calmed down a bit. Maybe I've gotten better at being married. Definitely not all bad. 

Btw, Trump campaigned on a promise to end taxes for Americans living abroad. I'm kinda skeptical it happens, but we'll see.