[Tail Gunner]

(04-21-2019 12:57 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

"Real n*****s do what they wanna do
Bitch n****s do what they can do" -Tupac

Yes, they do what they want, then they go to prison for it. Citing a fool who took a bullet to the testicle and threw away his life is simply buying into the cultural decay that caused all the crap that you complain about. Like tattoos and piercings, citing Tupac for anything is simply exalting the primitive above the sublime.

[Rorogue]

(04-21-2019 01:16 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 12:57 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

"Real n*****s do what they wanna do
Bitch n****s do what they can do" -Tupac

Yes, they do what they want, then they go to prison for it. Citing a fool who took a bullet to the testicle and threw away his life is simply buying into the cultural decay that caused all the crap that you complain about. Like tattoos and piercings, citing Tupac for anything is simply exalting the primitive above the sublime.

Tupac: created art so profound and sublime that it lives on decades later, despite being brought up in hellish conditions

Please enlighten me on what have you created, besides the highly valuable contribution of waving your finger at someone who made some bad decisions.

[Foolsgo1d]

TSA has recrutied the lowest scum of the barrel and is proud of it. Give them absolute power over individuals they could dislike upon seeing and who would have thought the abuse would come?

I bet if the Captain struck the TSA guy hard in the face he would be charged with terrorism. Just another litmus test for Americans.

You can have all the guns and so-called freedom but at the end of the day if these parasites can lord power over you and you do diddly sqat you're as cucked as us on the European continent.

[VNvet]

(04-21-2019 02:01 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 01:16 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 12:57 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

"Real n*****s do what they wanna do
Bitch n****s do what they can do" -Tupac

Yes, they do what they want, then they go to prison for it. Citing a fool who took a bullet to the testicle and threw away his life is simply buying into the cultural decay that caused all the crap that you complain about. Like tattoos and piercings, citing Tupac for anything is simply exalting the primitive above the sublime.

Tupac: created art so profound and sublime that it lives on decades later, despite being brought up in hellish conditions

Please enlighten me on what have you created, besides the highly valuable contribution of waving your finger at someone who made some bad decisions.

"what they wanna do
Bitch n****s do what they can do" -Tupac

Are you serious? That isn't profound. It's not even close.

This is profound:

"Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry." - Thomas Jefferson

[Rorogue]

(04-21-2019 04:08 AM)VNvet Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 02:01 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 01:16 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 12:57 AM)Rorogue Wrote:  

"Real n*****s do what they wanna do
Bitch n****s do what they can do" -Tupac

Yes, they do what they want, then they go to prison for it. Citing a fool who took a bullet to the testicle and threw away his life is simply buying into the cultural decay that caused all the crap that you complain about. Like tattoos and piercings, citing Tupac for anything is simply exalting the primitive above the sublime.

Tupac: created art so profound and sublime that it lives on decades later, despite being brought up in hellish conditions

Please enlighten me on what have you created, besides the highly valuable contribution of waving your finger at someone who made some bad decisions.

"what they wanna do
Bitch n****s do what they can do" -Tupac

Are you serious? That isn't profound. It's not even close.

This is profound:

"Tyranny is defined as that which is legal for the government but illegal for the citizenry." - Thomas Jefferson

So because one of the guy's lines doesn't read like Shakespeare, nothing he's done is profound?

Sure the guy talked in hip hop venacular, but the emotion behind a lot of his songs was amazing.

He was no Drake or any other mediocre rapper.

Each to their own though

[Sp5]

The TSA guy doesn't have immunity from lawsuits. The TSA is just trying to argue that he does. It looks like a losing argument to me. One problem with the US government is that its lawyers work on salary and litigate until the bitter end.

Federal Tort Claims Act law is a bit complicated, with all kinds of immunities for functions for government employees acting within their discretion but making mistakes (eg USDA meat inspector approving meat which turns out to be bad and makes people sick).

Intentional bad acts while working in the scope of employment are not given immunity.

As far as all the commenters saying this case means you have to flee the USA and build a bunker in Chile, doesn't this kind of asshole thing happen in all countries? Isn't airport security pretty much the same everywhere? The only difference I see is that in a lot of Europe they make you go into the millimeter wave scanner, there's no "opt out" on personal preference.

[SamuelBRoberts]

(04-21-2019 04:19 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

As far as all the commenters saying this case means you have to flee the USA and build a bunker in Chile, doesn't this kind of asshole thing happen in all countries? Isn't airport security pretty much the same everywhere? The only difference I see is that in a lot of Europe they make you go into the millimeter wave scanner, there's no "opt out" on personal preference.

Have traveled a lot internationally. Have not been punched in the groin.

[Sp5]

(04-21-2019 05:14 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 04:19 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

As far as all the commenters saying this case means you have to flee the USA and build a bunker in Chile, doesn't this kind of asshole thing happen in all countries? Isn't airport security pretty much the same everywhere? The only difference I see is that in a lot of Europe they make you go into the millimeter wave scanner, there's no "opt out" on personal preference.

Have traveled a lot internationally. Have not been punched in the groin.

That proves it! It could never happen anywhere else but the USA!

[VNvet]

(04-21-2019 04:19 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

As far as all the commenters saying this case means you have to flee the USA and build a bunker in Chile, doesn't this kind of asshole thing happen in all countries? Isn't airport security pretty much the same everywhere? The only difference I see is that in a lot of Europe they make you go into the millimeter wave scanner, there's no "opt out" on personal preference.

The Japanese bowed after they searched me AND they didn't kick me in the nuts. That might have been Customs though, I forget.

I've never had US Customs or TSA shake my hand after searching me. I've had quite a few be total dicks for no reason though.

[Kona]

(04-21-2019 05:30 AM)VNvet Wrote:  

The Japanese bowed after they searched me AND they didn't kick me in the nuts.

It would have been funny if they kicked you in the nuts and bowed afterward!

Seriously though, you guys gotta remember there are way worse places in the world for airports and airport security. There's part's of the world they take you in the back, pistol whip you, shove heroin up your ass, then put you in prison for ten years unless you pay them.

In my Navy days, I had to take a flight that stopped over in the motherland. We had been spreading the globalist agenda, and I even had the under-orders passport. The folks at Tel Aviv airport did not fuck around. Those Jews had fingers on triggers.

Personally, I seem to get a relatively positive response from the TSA. My first flight is Hawaii, so they are my people. In the mainland I either get " Wow, Hawaii, my brother just went to the Bahamas!" or if its a racist I get my name comically mispronounced. Mostly though, its a fellow minority who understands the struggle, and an immediate brotherly bond is formulated.

I think there are some details to this story we are missing or are overlooking.

Aloha!

[SamuelBRoberts]

"Sure, maybe the TSA punched you in the groin, but at least they didn't shove heroin up your ass!"

Kona's settin' the bar for our civil servants a little low there, I think.

[trickster]

This story is hard to believe. Criminal prosecution would be better. Was this atrocity picked up by a news organization? Os there a link to any court case?

[Seadog]

(04-21-2019 05:30 AM)VNvet Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 04:19 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

As far as all the commenters saying this case means you have to flee the USA and build a bunker in Chile, doesn't this kind of asshole thing happen in all countries? Isn't airport security pretty much the same everywhere? The only difference I see is that in a lot of Europe they make you go into the millimeter wave scanner, there's no "opt out" on personal preference.

The Japanese bowed after they searched me AND they didn't kick me in the nuts. That might have been Customs though, I forget.

I've never had US Customs or TSA shake my hand after searching me. I've had quite a few be total dicks for no reason though.

I was just about to say the same thing. After getting searched in Japan, they repacked my bag considerably neater than it was initially.

Contrast that with the Canadian border. Heaps of clothes all over the place with a curt "you're free to go".

Some pot head friends who looked the part came back from Vegas, they swabbed the car, found traces of residue everywhere, so they had to wait hours while dogs got called in, literally had panels off the doors, and when they were done were simply told to put their car back together and be on their way.

No one is advocating for not having security or customs, they have a difficult job to do, but there is absolutely zero reason to act like a bullying cunt who's trying to compensate for something. It's the guy who makes a little above minimum wage lording over a janitor to compensate for the fact that although he's very close to the bottom, he does have *some* power in a highly limited scope and wants to milk it for all he can.

I was travelling once in the US with an honest to god British Lord who sorta went rouge who I happened to meet travelling, and he boldly called out the TSA guys on their piss poor, condescending behavior. I asked him what the hell he was doing. His response was laced with classical old school moneyed British temerity. Something about "peons who need to focus on their job, which involves making sure no guns come on board, and being a disrespectful ass not being part of the job description. They figured it out in most countries, what the hell is wrong with America?" it was a sort of an admirable level of bold confidence that I guess that only comes with growing up in the nobility...

[Sp5]

The interactions with TSA I've had have been ok, even when selected out of special screening. I know they get shit on by a lot of people riled up by anti-government media, so I thank them for what they do.

(04-21-2019 03:46 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

TSA has recrutied the lowest scum of the barrel and is proud of it.

This is representative of comments about TSA workers on media. It seems like working class people getting sneered at by "their betters" to me. It's not a particularly high-paying job, and it's got to be very stressful, even apart from the abuse from upper-middle class assholes.

The truth is that TSA workers have to pass a background check which includes an FBI National Crime Information Center criminal records check.

Walk in their shoes. Imagine if you made an error at your job and a plane with 300 people could blow up.

CBP are another agency, they've been dicks on my reentry because of my Middle East travels. Go ahead and search my bags if you wish, but no excuse otherwise for delaying me in entering a country I'm a citizen of.

If there's a particular problem in the USA, I attribute it to:

1. "Muh freedom" and extreme libertarian and anti-government tendency in the USA leads more people to disrespect and defy TSA workers whose purpose is to keep bombs and guns off planes.

Republican party media (Fox Breitbart etc) has a constant flow of anti-TSA stories because TSA are unionized government employees, and the Republicans want them privatized for profit for their cronies and non-union.

Some people really do think airport security searches of any kind are outrageous and unconstitutional, or that they should be exempt because they're white/old/ young/veteran/rich.

2. On the other hand, cop and authority worship in the USA leads to arrogance and power trips by cops of any kind.

3. General pressure of life in the USA, little social safety net, crap health system, crime, and marginal living conditions for the class of TSA workers contributes to ill-temper. There's a big mean streak in the USA which is not present in other developed countries.

These factors are present in any interactions between authorities and citizens in the USA.

[felix_vagabondo]

(04-20-2019 07:44 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

I want to ask, "can't the captain sue"?

(04-21-2019 04:19 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The TSA guy doesn't have immunity from lawsuits. The TSA is just trying to argue that he does. It looks like a losing argument to me. One problem with the US government is that its lawyers work on salary and litigate until the bitter end.

Give the good man his day in court. A civilized man gives the ball chop only when his back is really up against the wall and there's no other option.

[VNvet]

(04-21-2019 07:32 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

The interactions with TSA I've had have been ok, even when selected out of special screening. I know they get shit on by a lot of people riled up by anti-government media, so I thank them for what they do.

(04-21-2019 03:46 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

TSA has recrutied the lowest scum of the barrel and is proud of it.

This is representative of comments about TSA workers on media. It seems like working class people getting sneered at by "their betters" to me. It's not a particularly high-paying job, and it's got to be very stressful, even apart from the abuse from upper-middle class assholes.

The truth is that TSA workers have to pass a background check which includes an FBI National Crime Information Center criminal records check.

Walk in their shoes. Imagine if you made an error at your job and a plane with 300 people could blow up.

CBP are another agency, they've been dicks on my reentry because of my Middle East travels. Go ahead and search my bags if you wish, but no excuse otherwise for delaying me in entering a country I'm a citizen of.

TSA, in general, attracts the lowest caliber of federal employee. This is an objective fact.

1. Entry level pays $34,000/year and the average pay for non-supervisors is about $37,000/year. One of the lowest in the federal government.

2. No one says, "I want to be a TSA screener when I grow up." So there is no "fun factor" to make up for the low pay like you see in law enforcement.

3. Passing an FBI background check isn't difficult. At least not the one required to work as a TSA screener. It doesn't determine the quality of employee either. Just that they have a clean record.

4. There aren't any incentives to treat "customers" properly because it's a government agency.

Those four points combined, mainly 1 & 2, result in a large amount of bottom barrel employees. #4 allows these employees to treat people terribly.

Why would someone work for the TSA when they could work for any other federal agency and make more money at a better job?

[trickster]

Right. This makes more sense.

“The ruling does not mean that T.S.A. agents are totally above the law.

“This doesn’t protect these agents from criminal liability, for example, but it does give them immunity from being sued by people who feel they’ve been treated unfairly,” said Wendy Patrick, a lawyer who has handled cases involving assault and battery and a lecturer at San Diego State University.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/busin...unity.html

[beta_plus]

This is really disturbing.

I work in government contracting in DC and work with non-military, non-intelligence, non-classified sensitive information.

When we travel, we are told to tell the TSA agents that we are carrying government property that cannot leave our site. They are supposed to be coached up on this, especially at the 3 DC airports (DCA, IAD, BWI).

EDIT:

While I figured that race might be involved, the names of the case imply this was a white on white incident.

[DarkTriad]

(04-21-2019 12:43 AM)RIslander Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 12:36 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 12:21 AM)RIslander Wrote:  

(04-20-2019 11:00 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(04-20-2019 08:56 PM)RIslander Wrote:  

And go where?

There's already multiple threads discussing this. Best option varies for each person but is generally limited by your ability to blend into the local population.

If shit goes south in America your citizenship will not grant you asylum and prosperity in other countries. You'll be fucked.

Well, that is why you educate yourself and plan ahead. Obtain residencies, citizenship, bank accounts, investments, real estate, and businesses in other countries. Diversify. This is not rocket science. It just takes some education, planning, and boots on the ground. Life is all about creating options.

It is comparable to rocket science. If the US goes to shit, or any other western country you may be a citizen of, your citizenship will amount to jack squat. You will lose that westerner status. You think the Vietnamese, for example, will let you live in their country when yours has gone to shit? You're going to need some mega game to make that work.

Good luck.

This is likely accurate. The South African passport became pretty useless as their country went to shit. Our ability to travel (and stay) so easily is based on our country being an economic powerhouse.

[Tail Gunner]

(04-21-2019 09:21 AM)trickster Wrote:  

Right. This makes more sense.

“The ruling does not mean that T.S.A. agents are totally above the law.

“This doesn’t protect these agents from criminal liability, for example, but it does give them immunity from being sued by people who feel they’ve been treated unfairly,” said Wendy Patrick, a lawyer who has handled cases involving assault and battery and a lecturer at San Diego State University.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/busin...unity.html

So, you cite a news story about a completely different case, where a passenger was criminally prosecuted for assaulting TSA agents, and you believe that this has some bearing on the case-at-hand?

If a TSA agent intentionally strikes a passenger in the groin without cause and the passenger cannot sue him for compensation (which is exactly what happened in this case), then it does, in fact, "mean that T.S.A. agents are totally above the law."

If the police refuse to arrest a TSA agent who intentionally strikes a passenger in the groin without cause and the TSA agent is instead given a monetary bonus for his actions (which is exactly what happened in this case), then the law does, in fact, completely protect TSA agents from criminal liability and, in fact, rewards that criminality. Intentionally striking someone without cause is the legal definition of assault and battery -- and it is criminal conduct.

If the U.S. Supreme Court does indeed reverse the decisions of the two courts below it will likely be because this factual scenario was so damn egregious, i.e., assaulting an innocent airline captain who was was simply doing his job and following the procedures of the U.S. government by protecting access cards for classified government systems.

[trickster]

(04-21-2019 10:22 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

(04-21-2019 09:21 AM)trickster Wrote:  

Right. This makes more sense.

“The ruling does not mean that T.S.A. agents are totally above the law.

“This doesn’t protect these agents from criminal liability, for example, but it does give them immunity from being sued by people who feel they’ve been treated unfairly,” said Wendy Patrick, a lawyer who has handled cases involving assault and battery and a lecturer at San Diego State University.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/07/12/busin...unity.html

So, you cite a news story about a completely different case, where a passenger was criminally prosecuted for assaulting TSA agents, and you believe that this has some bearing on the case-at-hand?

If a TSA agent intentionally strikes a passenger in the groin without cause and the passenger cannot sue him for compensation (which is exactly what happened in this case), then it does, in fact, "mean that T.S.A. agents are totally above the law."

If the police refuse to arrest a TSA agent who intentionally strikes a passenger in the groin without cause and the TSA agent is instead given a monetary bonus for his actions (which is exactly what happened in this case), then the law does, in fact, completely protect TSA agents from criminal liability.

If the U.S. Supreme Court does indeed reverse the decisions of the two courts below it will likely be because this factual scenario was so damn egregious, i.e., assaulting an innocent airline captain who was was simply doing his job and following the procedures of the U.S. government by protecting access cards for classified government systems.

Are you serious? You clearly don't understand how the US legal system works. It was a federal court -- the US Court of Appeals for the Third Circuit, not some county judge. Their opinion is precedent in their jurisdiction and applies to more than the case at hand. The person was acquitted by the way, not that it matters.

And it is quite clear -- TSA agents can face criminal liability. So no, they are not above the law. I realize this doesn't square with the narrative you want to believe but if you read the article and the opinion, you can easily see that TSA agents are immune from civil suits, not criminal liability.

[SlickyBoy]

(04-20-2019 11:09 PM)BortimusPrime Wrote:  

Why is this a civil suit and not a criminal assault investigation?

Because the cops, who the pilot contacted, refused to arrest the TSA agent. I suspect there is more to the story - the cops probably talked to the TSA guy and got the song and dance about it being unintentional during a routine pat down. If the TSA guy punched the pilot in the face, he'd be arrested but this is a grey area which could plausibly have been an accident. The part about the TSA agent admitting it was intentional - maybe he lied to cops, or maybe it didn't happen the way the pilot said it did.

Regardless, this case is being petitioned for certiorari to the Supreme Court, which means they can decide whether they want to hear the case. Effectively means it is going nowhere. The Supreme Court denies almost all such petitions - accepting only about 6% if drafted by attorneys, fewer still if the applicant is pro se.

He should file lawsuit in federal court and take it from there win or lose, but I suspect he won't because that's pretty expensive by the time you get done with competent representation - think ten grand or so. Yeah he could do it himself but that's way harder than small claims, Judge Judy kind of stuff. So he'll first roll the dice on the Supreme Court then decide what to do.

[PapayaTapper]

(04-20-2019 10:57 PM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

Does the spa come with the girls or do you have to bring your own?

Its BYOG...but its Prague. Like most places in the world if you swing the right dick swagger the girl issues resolve themselves

[Tail Gunner]

(04-21-2019 07:32 AM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Republican party media (Fox Breitbart etc) has a constant flow of anti-TSA stories because TSA are unionized government employees, and the Republicans want them privatized for profit for their cronies and non-union.

I can tell you that you are dead wrong on this point. Civil libertarians on the right oppose the TSA because of their politically-correct policies. Instead of using the best possible proven-to-work policies (e.g., those used in Israel) by actually profiling and targeting those people most likely to engage in terrorist activity, the TSA would rather use policies that promote the sexual assault of grandmothers and that terrify toddlers.

It is the utter stupidity and political correctness of these policies, which results in the loss of basic human dignity for the many (when the problems are caused by the few), that rightly offends civil libertarians on the right. Republicans want these agents privatized so that agents who now have full government immunity can be held accountable for their criminal actions, which would also result in far better training for private agents (because of the legal liability involved).

[Leonard D Neubache]

It's all just re-arranging deck-chairs on the Titanic.

When the debate is whether to privatise the TSA rather than whether Mohammed should really go home for good then you're being played.

The same republicans pushing for that privatization are sucking the dicks of the Saudis that fund the jihadis. All they care about is creating another source of revenue that allows them to pour government money directly into the pockets of fortune 500 companies rather than feckless public servants.