[Dalaran1991]

In the west, according to my obsevations, there are only two reliable ways to get laid now: (assuming you don't have model good looks)

-Social circles
-Targeting tourist chicks

Online game is doable but it's anything but reliable.

Game is only really helpful insofar as it helps you in either of those situation. I've very rarely seen cold approaching strangers work, from both night or day game.

Then there's the obvious solution of going abroad, which works for everyone but suffer from the same problem. The more people go abroad for bang, the harder it will get for everyone. Might as well get in early on the wagon.

[MrLemon]

(04-28-2019 12:37 PM)SW15 Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 02:07 PM)Delta Wrote:  

This isn't at all surprising. I've noticed, anecdotally, that young women's minds have been absolutely poisoned when it comes to men, dating, and relationships. And while it's easy to point the finger at feminism, the syndrome I'm describing affects literally all single young women I've ever encountered, feminist or anti-feminist, cunt or good human being. I've never once come across a counterexample. Correct me if you've seen any exceptions, but in my experience, all single women below age 35 share these three traits:

1. Utter lack of desire or urgency to be with a man. I have a habit of, every now and then, social media stalking my exes, girls I'd dated briefly, and girls I'd gone out with once or twice and was interested in, to see what they're up to. Yeah yeah yeah it's not healthy or whatever, sue me. Anyway, what I find the vast majority of the time is that months or even years after my time with the girl is up, there's no sign of a man anywhere on her social media. It's funny because we tend to project our habits onto women and assume we get rejected because another guy came along that she liked better. But the reality is, usually you're not losing out to another guy, you're losing out to... no one. Her 'better deal' isn't a more attractive man, it's singledom. I know a girl in her 20's who literally has never been with a man in her entire life. She's cute and pleasant. But her attitude about men is more or less "meh, I'm happy as is." Can you imagine a desirable man choosing to forego pussy his entire life because it's just not important to him?

Do you ever hear a woman verbally express urgency about finding a man? On the other hand, how often do you hear late 20's women, past their peak and on the precipice of their looks fading, talk about how much they want to live abroad for a couple years or something equally antithetical to settling down with a man?

Aside from anecdotes: We all know Tinder has absurd M:F ratios, but did you know that the relationship oriented dating sites are not much better? It's not just that men try harder to get sex; men this day in age are also trying much harder to find love.

2. Extreme, unreasonable pickiness. I won't get into hypergamy because it's already so heavily discussed, but there's also another dimension to women's pickiness: demanding an exact image match. If you meet girls on swiping apps, ask them about their experience, and I guarantee they'll happily admit that they snap reject 99% of the guys on there. And how often do you hear girls express ridiculous, totally unnecessary requirements for any guy they'd consider? (e.g. Must be a dog person, must be a cat person, must be a feminist, must be a conservative, must be a Christian, must be an atheist, must be older than me, must not be more than a couple years older than me, must be at least 6' tall, must love trying ethnic foods... the list could go on forever.)

3. Extreme hostility toward, and over-criticalness of men who are interested in them. Pro-tip: If you're ever chatting with a girl and struggling to find a topic she's interested in, change the subject to "weirdos" who try to get with her. Without fail, her passions will suddenly be awoken as she giddily disparages the "nice" but "weird" guys in her social circle who are trying to get in her pants, along with the "creeps" who open her on the street, try to dance with her at the bar, and message her on dating apps. Often she'll criticize a half-decent opener some guy used on her as though it was criminally bad, even though you and her both know she wouldn't do any better if she was tasked with starting conversations with the opposite sex. I don't think I've ever met a girl who didn't believe that the men who wanted her were all losers who were way beneath her.

These three go hand-in-hand. 2 and 3 are the result of 1. The conclusion is inescapable, and I'm far from the first person on here to state it: The safety, security, and prosperity of modern western society has all but eliminated women's need for a man.

I can confirm that I have observed all three of these factors at play in my approaching. It is really terrible.

Women's desire to "be with a man" is entirely, 100% based on her fear of starvation or being hurt by violence (war, looting, etc). If you give any woman, no matter who she is, a guaranteed income and guaranteed safety, she will instantly lose her desire for men. It's biochemical.

So what do we have in the modern world? Women who have more or less guaranteed safety and food. THus, the collapse of desire.

Unfortunately, men have an opposite genetic disposition: the less desire they feel from women, they either become more violent and warlike, or the become very passive. Even a very small percentage of men becoming warlike will tip your society into war, without fail.

That's why I predict that we're headed for war...as human societies with gender conflict have always, for hundreds of thousands of years, gone to war. Not because war is needed or caused by outside factors, but simply because society has an itch to scratch.

[nek]

(05-05-2019 06:08 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

Not because war is needed or caused by outside factors, but simply because society has an itch to scratch.

This...

[AntoniusofEfa]

(05-05-2019 06:08 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

(04-28-2019 12:37 PM)SW15 Wrote:  

(04-06-2019 02:07 PM)Delta Wrote:  

This isn't at all surprising. I've noticed, anecdotally, that young women's minds have been absolutely poisoned when it comes to men, dating, and relationships. And while it's easy to point the finger at feminism, the syndrome I'm describing affects literally all single young women I've ever encountered, feminist or anti-feminist, cunt or good human being. I've never once come across a counterexample. Correct me if you've seen any exceptions, but in my experience, all single women below age 35 share these three traits:

1. Utter lack of desire or urgency to be with a man. I have a habit of, every now and then, social media stalking my exes, girls I'd dated briefly, and girls I'd gone out with once or twice and was interested in, to see what they're up to. Yeah yeah yeah it's not healthy or whatever, sue me. Anyway, what I find the vast majority of the time is that months or even years after my time with the girl is up, there's no sign of a man anywhere on her social media. It's funny because we tend to project our habits onto women and assume we get rejected because another guy came along that she liked better. But the reality is, usually you're not losing out to another guy, you're losing out to... no one. Her 'better deal' isn't a more attractive man, it's singledom. I know a girl in her 20's who literally has never been with a man in her entire life. She's cute and pleasant. But her attitude about men is more or less "meh, I'm happy as is." Can you imagine a desirable man choosing to forego pussy his entire life because it's just not important to him?

Do you ever hear a woman verbally express urgency about finding a man? On the other hand, how often do you hear late 20's women, past their peak and on the precipice of their looks fading, talk about how much they want to live abroad for a couple years or something equally antithetical to settling down with a man?

Aside from anecdotes: We all know Tinder has absurd M:F ratios, but did you know that the relationship oriented dating sites are not much better? It's not just that men try harder to get sex; men this day in age are also trying much harder to find love.

2. Extreme, unreasonable pickiness. I won't get into hypergamy because it's already so heavily discussed, but there's also another dimension to women's pickiness: demanding an exact image match. If you meet girls on swiping apps, ask them about their experience, and I guarantee they'll happily admit that they snap reject 99% of the guys on there. And how often do you hear girls express ridiculous, totally unnecessary requirements for any guy they'd consider? (e.g. Must be a dog person, must be a cat person, must be a feminist, must be a conservative, must be a Christian, must be an atheist, must be older than me, must not be more than a couple years older than me, must be at least 6' tall, must love trying ethnic foods... the list could go on forever.)

3. Extreme hostility toward, and over-criticalness of men who are interested in them. Pro-tip: If you're ever chatting with a girl and struggling to find a topic she's interested in, change the subject to "weirdos" who try to get with her. Without fail, her passions will suddenly be awoken as she giddily disparages the "nice" but "weird" guys in her social circle who are trying to get in her pants, along with the "creeps" who open her on the street, try to dance with her at the bar, and message her on dating apps. Often she'll criticize a half-decent opener some guy used on her as though it was criminally bad, even though you and her both know she wouldn't do any better if she was tasked with starting conversations with the opposite sex. I don't think I've ever met a girl who didn't believe that the men who wanted her were all losers who were way beneath her.

These three go hand-in-hand. 2 and 3 are the result of 1. The conclusion is inescapable, and I'm far from the first person on here to state it: The safety, security, and prosperity of modern western society has all but eliminated women's need for a man.

I can confirm that I have observed all three of these factors at play in my approaching. It is really terrible.

Women's desire to "be with a man" is entirely, 100% based on her fear of starvation or being hurt by violence (war, looting, etc). If you give any woman, no matter who she is, a guaranteed income and guaranteed safety, she will instantly lose her desire for men. It's biochemical.

So what do we have in the modern world? Women who have more or less guaranteed safety and food. THus, the collapse of desire.

Unfortunately, men have an opposite genetic disposition: the less desire they feel from women, they either become more violent and warlike, or the become very passive. Even a very small percentage of men becoming warlike will tip your society into war, without fail.

That's why I predict that we're headed for war...as human societies with gender conflict have always, for hundreds of thousands of years, gone to war. Not because war is needed or caused by outside factors, but simply because society has an itch to scratch.

I have to disagree. Passive men will not fight. I see an economic stagnation in the future. The middle-class family, and with it, the middle class, is dead. Low purchasing power combined with low fertility is the cause.

[jasond]

(05-05-2019 04:37 PM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

In the west, according to my obsevations, there are only two reliable ways to get laid now: (assuming you don't have model good looks)

-Social circles
-Targeting tourist chicks

Online game is doable but it's anything but reliable.

Game is only really helpful insofar as it helps you in either of those situation. I've very rarely seen cold approaching strangers work, from both night or day game.

Then there's the obvious solution of going abroad, which works for everyone but suffer from the same problem. The more people go abroad for bang, the harder it will get for everyone. Might as well get in early on the wagon.

I agree. But I would add a 3rd category that is especially open to cold
approach:

-Ukrainian guest workers (often working illegally on tourist visas) in EU countries. They are often quite easy due to limited social circles and economic vulnerability

[Manbeline]

Delta just confirmed or at least supported a view I have had for a while.

You aren't meant to be friends with women. Marriages or couple hood doesn't mean I have to be interested in everything the girl does. Biologically, if we are meant to breed with a girl to start a family to carry on both our genes, does that mean we have to also mesh mentally? I think not. I keep going back toward the Married with children sitcom with Al Bundy in my mind and I don't know why. I was a child when it came on now and again, along with other sitcoms. This was the one that keeps showing up in my mind when I hear people talk about marriages and the dynamics of men and women. This may be a hint to the dilemma.

We have women that won't talk to men like human beings. We have women that have everything provided to them by the state. This also means that they support government more than men and will be more willing to turn us all into government slaves. Naturally, those above love feminism since it moves us more toward becoming simple minded servants, but we already have a thread resulted to why that is the case. And men are continuously looking for that mate, but are being rejected. Not because they're ugly. And not cause they are the worst guy on earth. It's literally cause the western women are turning into something else. The harem of feminism and the state. They are taken. Not by another man. But by good ole hand rubbing Sam. Divorces are in their favor. The law is in their favor. Social circumstances are in their favor. The women have the whole world. Twitch streamers are making bucks off just revealing a little. Chaturbate, etc, the income of a woman is vast and drenched by other orbiters and lawmakers.

We men build societies and maintain it, but currently, the world says we are meant to just be horny drolls that aren't worth a woman's attention. Isn't it funny that when war happens, the barbarians go after the women and children first? How come it's the barbarians that are the first to act? Do we really need violence to solve our female issues everytime? Why don't we act before the barbarians do? It would be less hectic and you can save the civilization you are about to lose. If you want your western women back, you will have to metaphorically pimp slap them, aka go after everything enabling their behavior. Make them women again.

[tugofpeace]

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Women's desire to "be with a man" is entirely, 100% based on her fear of starvation or being hurt by violence (war, looting, etc). If you give any woman, no matter who she is, a guaranteed income and guaranteed safety, she will instantly lose her desire for men. It's biochemical

What research and or publications do you have to support this theory? That women only desire men for money/protection?

This truly is starting to read like an MGTOW forum.



The reality is that yes, flaunting your money and your muscles isn’t really a reliable indicator of your ability to acquire a mate. You have to bring more to the table.