[questor70]

(04-19-2019 11:44 PM)Lampwick Wrote:  

Not needy != psychopath

Needy is an overused term on the opposite end of the spectrum of the OTHER overused term: narcissist.

Everyone, regardless of gender, has insecurities. Those who appear not to have insecurities are merely hiding them.

This is why Shakespeare (or Rush) coined the phrase about how all the world's a stage. There is the facade we present to the world and there's the full totality of the person.

You wield social power by emphasizing or de-emphasizing certain personality traits depending on the situation. The problem is that true intimacy can't really be achieved when you're role-playing like this.

[questor70]

(04-21-2019 10:37 AM)Abelard Lindsey Wrote:  

It will be "then Handmaid's Tale" but of course different -- the women, not the men, will be the ones who drive this revival.

We already have this. SJW is the new religion. It's a dogma that is tailor made to benefit women at the expense of men and emphasize rules of expression and behavior that are petty or outright counterproductive outside of times of extreme peace and prosperity.

A couple obvious examples:

Example 1
Example 2

I have my doubts that religion as we know it spawned from women other than early pagan cults and witchcraft. So I have my doubts that women would craft something that feels anything like a strict christian sect (ala Handmaid's Tale) but matriarchal.

The maximum power wielded by women comes from them leading a completely unfettered hedonist lifestyle while hypocritically riding a holier-than-thou horse and using shame and social shunning as a weapon. #MeToo pogroms basically.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(04-21-2019 08:16 PM)Delta Wrote:  

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So the outside force of a close relative or friend dying would not affect your emotions? If outside forces don't control your emotions, what does?

I also disagree with your definition of a weak man. A weak man is one who gives up at the first sign of adversity or pain, not merely one who's capable of feeling it.

You're missing the point or misunderstanding me in any case. It's not about "not feeling it". It's about not allowing it to control your reactions and your state of mind.

A few years back when my dog died we had to bury him and through the whole process I had to keep it together. I had to keep it together in front of my wife and in particular I had to keep it together in front of my kids. They all got to cry a river.

Not me.

Did I have a bit of a moment when they were all gone? Sure. But fighting emotional vulnerability is a necessary part of being a proper man. Go back 10,000 years and if my wife were hitched to a man who broke down in a blubbering mess in front of her and the kids because a neighboring tribe had speared one of my hunting dogs then my weakness in controlling my emotions could be the difference between the survival of the tribe or it's bloody death.

Women are hardwired to shit-test men without ever realizing they're doing it because they are pure machines for pre-rejecting the advances of dead-end genetic material, and a man that can be easily emotionally hurt by a woman is dead-end genetic material.

If only psychopaths were considered suitable genetic material by women then we would all be psychopaths. Men who are in control of how they react to their emotions are not psychopaths. They are simply stronger than the psychologically weaker men who have no such control.

Why would women choose the weaker man? Why should they?

[No More Mr. Soy Boy]

(04-22-2019 09:47 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

You're missing the point or misunderstanding me in any case. It's not about "not feeling it". It's about not allowing it to control your reactions and your state of mind.

A few years back when my dog died we had to bury him and through the whole process I had to keep it together. I had to keep it together in front of my wife and in particular I had to keep it together in front of my kids. They all got to cry a river.

Not me.

Did I have a bit of a moment when they were all gone? Sure. But fighting emotional vulnerability is a necessary part of being a proper man. Go back 10,000 years and if my wife were hitched to a man who broke down in a blubbering mess in front of her and the kids because a neighboring tribe had speared one of my hunting dogs then my weakness in controlling my emotions could be the difference between the survival of the tribe or it's bloody death.

Women are hardwired to shit-test men without ever realizing they're doing it because they are pure machines for pre-rejecting the advances of dead-end genetic material, and a man that can be easily emotionally hurt by a woman is dead-end genetic material.

If only psychopaths were considered suitable genetic material by women then we would all be psychopaths. Men who are in control of how they react to their emotions are not psychopaths. They are simply stronger than the psychologically weaker men who have no such control.

Why would women choose the weaker man? Why should they?

Don't you think that there are women that love the idea of a strong man that only ever does show weakness to them and it makes them feel special?

I remember listening to this podcast episode about this serial killer in the 80's who was hunted by the police and there was this woman just kind of following him along. They were interviewing this woman several years after they got caught and it seemed like she falled in love with the idea of this hard, masculine man who was seen as a brutal and primitive animal by everyone else, yet he only showed weakness and softness to her and that made her feel very special.

It's like it hits their primal maternal instincts or something. And a lot of movies, like 50 Shades of Grey, has this guy who is portrayed like an alpha, having this one moment of beta.

[ilostabet]

(04-19-2019 04:22 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Nobody should hope for death but it's indisputable that our utter degeneracy is a product of our utter excess and comfort.

Western women are fat, shallow, picky cunts because they can afford to be. They become single mothers simply because we have the largesse to pay them for it. They don't have to choose between food/shelter/protection and getting back on the cock carousel. They can have both and they know it.

Having spent a decade considering what system of society would allow both largesse and social order to exist in harmony I have failed over and over again and personally I've gotten to the point where I've accepted that you cannot have your cake and eat it too. We might have learned this from the Romans but we didn't. Instead we flee to third world countries to find women that are "right in the head" when in reality it's the third world conditions that have made them so. Bring them back and the forgetful ones quickly become just the same as the women we rejected at home.

A return to struggle is not a pleasant concept but it's preferable and simply inevitable. This insanity cannot last forever, so the only question that remains is when and how we choose to approach the collapse.

In other words, Ted Kaczynski was right.

[Manbeline]

(04-22-2019 09:47 AM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

Women are hardwired to shit-test men without ever realizing they're doing it because they are pure machines for pre-rejecting the advances of dead-end genetic material, and a man that can be easily emotionally hurt by a woman is dead-end genetic material.

This is a key statement. I lost a lot of nerdy, trendy girls due to me becoming more independent and more masculine. I was thinking I was losing a large part of my life. Then I realized I was getting them replaced with higher quality and a lot more sane women who have their lives together. What a big pill that was. I still miss my old friends, but that's is the human part of me I cannot get rid of. I just have to move on and enjoy my new company.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(04-22-2019 10:11 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

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Don't you think that there are women that love the idea of a strong man that only ever does show weakness to them and it makes them feel special?

I remember listening to this podcast episode about this serial killer in the 80's who was hunted by the police and there was this woman just kind of following him along. They were interviewing this woman several years after they got caught and it seemed like she falled in love with the idea of this hard, masculine man who was seen as a brutal and primitive animal by everyone else, yet he only showed weakness and softness to her and that made her feel very special.

It's like it hits their primal maternal instincts or something. And a lot of movies, like 50 Shades of Grey, has this guy who is portrayed like an alpha, having this one moment of beta.

This is rare and it pays to remember that some women are mentally defective in as much as they deviate from the norm.

There are women with every stripe of fucked up fetish imaginable but it's obviously not wise to build your life around finding some rare woman who likes it when you turn into a blubbering mess in her arms. It could be that she had a kid that died of cancer or a sad-drunk father she had to console when she was 6 years old or some other kind of whacked out oddball shit.

Beyond that, women who come out of insane relationships like the one you've described there are not always telling the whole truth.

She's not exactly going to say "I got wet watching him repeatedly stab a man in the guts until he died".

[tugofpeace]

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Women are hardwired to shit-test men without ever realizing they're doing it because they are pure machines for pre-rejecting the advances of dead-end genetic material, and a man that can be easily emotionally hurt by a woman is dead-end genetic material.

This is true, but The way I see it, women only do this to men that appear weak. Aka skinny PUA types with prerehearsed “game”.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(04-22-2019 11:57 AM)tugofpeace Wrote:  

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Women are hardwired to shit-test men without ever realizing they're doing it because they are pure machines for pre-rejecting the advances of dead-end genetic material, and a man that can be easily emotionally hurt by a woman is dead-end genetic material.

This is true, but The way I see it, women only do this to men that appear weak. Aka skinny PUA types with prerehearsed “game”.

On a long enough timeline all men get the shit-tests.

When a man is a blatant and obvious prize the first thing a woman wants to do is secure his attention and court his affection. In action this generally means she "throws herself at him".

Once she has his affection she will still naturally shit-test him because that's just what women do, without even thinking.

If Dan Bilzerian has a girlfriend then between 3 months and a year he's going to start getting shit-tests from her. Let's assume he doesn't dump her ass. If he turns out to be a paper alpha she'll phsychologically demote him to beta-bux and start subconsciously looking for a higher genetic branch to swing to. If he passes the tests but not particularly convincingly then he'll keep getting them. If he passes them convincingly on a long enough timeline they'll progressively decrease until they only pop up when he's in a slump.

[Manbeline]

(04-22-2019 12:24 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

(04-22-2019 11:57 AM)tugofpeace Wrote:  

Quote:

Women are hardwired to shit-test men without ever realizing they're doing it because they are pure machines for pre-rejecting the advances of dead-end genetic material, and a man that can be easily emotionally hurt by a woman is dead-end genetic material.

This is true, but The way I see it, women only do this to men that appear weak. Aka skinny PUA types with prerehearsed “game”.

On a long enough timeline all men get the shit-tests.

When a man is a blatant and obvious prize the first thing a woman wants to do is secure his attention and court his affection. In action this generally means she "throws herself at him".

Once she has his affection she will still naturally shit-test him because that's just what women do, without even thinking.

If Dan Bilzerian has a girlfriend then between 3 months and a year he's going to start getting shit-tests from her. Let's assume he doesn't dump her ass. If he turns out to be a paper alpha she'll phsychologically demote him to beta-bux and start subconsciously looking for a higher genetic branch to swing to. If he passes the tests but not particularly convincingly then he'll keep getting them. If he passes them convincingly on a long enough timeline they'll progressively decrease until they only pop up when he's in a slump.

Would you call pimps insecure men who are afraid of shit tests? Since they are overcompensating for the "game" part of women and men?

[Leonard D Neubache]

You'll have to explain your question in a bit more detail.

[Manbeline]

I'm speaking for the exaggerating colors-blazin' pimps who think dressing the game and acting it is their way to keep girls on a leash, and thus making them money. I doubt the game being spoken from a pimp manner that of what this forum speaks of are coincidental. So I was wondering your thoughts on the application of game on the level that such a business depend on vs. us just using it for surviving in a womensphere. Are they ahead of the curve or are they playing something completely different.

[Leonard D Neubache]

That type of pimp is dealing with the lowest class of woman there is.

Ghetto peacocking plays a part and obviously the rest is simple violence.

They're not "ahead of the curve". They're just playing to a different audience. You're not walking into a bar on Necker Island and impressing an heiress with grills and a stupid hat.

[debeguiled]

Yeah, if you want to impress them on Necker Island, you need a NXIVM brand just below the waistline.

[CynicalContrarian]

(04-22-2019 01:10 PM)Leonard D Neubache Wrote:  

That type of pimp is dealing with the lowest class of woman there is.

Ghetto peacocking plays a part and obviously the rest is simple violence.

They're not "ahead of the curve". They're just playing to a different audience. You're not walking into a bar on Necker Island and impressing an heiress with grills and a stupid hat.

Although. It could make for a fun story.

[Swordfish1010]

(03-30-2019 06:50 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 03:29 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

I have noticed that many young girls that I bang tend to talk down about their male peers-women 18-28 just have no respect for young men.

Yes, many are downright hostile. Media plays a part in pushing anti-male tropes, as well as feminism. Combine with endless validation and boosted egos women get from social media you have really bad narcissism coming from women and lack of empathy. View it from their perspective though, men are doing the worst ever compared to women, so women are thus calling the shots now more than ever.

As I've said before it starts in education and by the time a man makes it to college he's already at a statistical disadvantage... Much less the workforce with affirmative action policies (not needed for women) and gynocentric HR departments. Not to mention managers prefer women doing these mindless clerical/ deskjobs to men, and when it comes to service jobs, again, they prefer women.

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t is so easy to check out as a young male-the video games , porn, and weed can easily take you out of the game. Video games for men are like Instagram for women- First person shooters involve teamwork, and if you become competent and rank up you become respected by other good players, and you will take the goal of winning seriously-it hijacks your natural male instincts to perform well at a task and work with a team. Instagram "likes" hijack a woman's need for validation, her need to be desired, and her need for attention.

I have a unique perspective here, I stopped gaming at age 14. I pick up a game if I'm with a friend who games, but that's it. I was very high achiving at that age, so it was fortunate I stopped. Meanwhile many of my average and above average friends went down the rabbit hole of gaming, which came to define both their future career academic prospects and their social lives. On both counts, gaming was seriously damaging to them. The worst thing you can have is a young adolescent male who is not properly socialized (not going to parties or having a GF b/c of video games), and is going nowhere in his life (because he is blowing off high school and college), because he decided to drift right around the age of 18. Games are damning to men, channeling their urges to win, feel part of a team, etc. into an outlet that yields almost 0 for them. It is hard to moderate your screentime once you start, thus it is very addictive, just like social media or porn.

I once had to direct an old black lady in an IT job. She had no idea what she was doing, but she was a trifecta of diversity so she was untouchable. At that moment I knew that affirmative action did not end in university.

[Swordfish1010]

(03-30-2019 06:50 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 03:29 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

I have noticed that many young girls that I bang tend to talk down about their male peers-women 18-28 just have no respect for young men.

Yes, many are downright hostile. Media plays a part in pushing anti-male tropes, as well as feminism. Combine with endless validation and boosted egos women get from social media you have really bad narcissism coming from women and lack of empathy. View it from their perspective though, men are doing the worst ever compared to women, so women are thus calling the shots now more than ever.

As I've said before it starts in education and by the time a man makes it to college he's already at a statistical disadvantage... Much less the workforce with affirmative action policies (not needed for women) and gynocentric HR departments. Not to mention managers prefer women doing these mindless clerical/ deskjobs to men, and when it comes to service jobs, again, they prefer women.

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t is so easy to check out as a young male-the video games , porn, and weed can easily take you out of the game. Video games for men are like Instagram for women- First person shooters involve teamwork, and if you become competent and rank up you become respected by other good players, and you will take the goal of winning seriously-it hijacks your natural male instincts to perform well at a task and work with a team. Instagram "likes" hijack a woman's need for validation, her need to be desired, and her need for attention.

I have a unique perspective here, I stopped gaming at age 14. I pick up a game if I'm with a friend who games, but that's it. I was very high achiving at that age, so it was fortunate I stopped. Meanwhile many of my average and above average friends went down the rabbit hole of gaming, which came to define both their future career academic prospects and their social lives. On both counts, gaming was seriously damaging to them. The worst thing you can have is a young adolescent male who is not properly socialized (not going to parties or having a GF b/c of video games), and is going nowhere in his life (because he is blowing off high school and college), because he decided to drift right around the age of 18. Games are damning to men, channeling their urges to win, feel part of a team, etc. into an outlet that yields almost 0 for them. It is hard to moderate your screentime once you start, thus it is very addictive, just like social media or porn.

I once had to direct an old black lady in an IT job. She had no idea what she was doing, but she was a trifecta of diversity so she was untouchable. At that moment I knew that affirmative action did not end in university.

[a man's life]

I can relate to this thread because I am in the new generation (21 years old). I have a comfortable life with everything paid for (gas, college, food), and am living at home. Not to complain, but it is tough to force yourself to do hard stuff when it is not required of you and your siblings. Once I finish school (2 more years) I'm going to move out immediately and then I will be forced to struggle. I haven't developed much confidence, and it's easy to revert back to comfort. When I move out I am going to not receive any financial support from my parents, I want to finally struggle and develop a sense of worth. Incels are probably people like me, middle class average looking guys who are not forced to grow up. There is just endless video games, porn, sugary foods, etc... and not much of a push on you to improve besides just sending you to college. I watched a coach red pill video and he basically said just walk out the door and then you don't have to force yourself to develop character, it comes from making it in life on your own. I realize my parents are doing what they think is best, and ultimately it is my responsibility fix my life. This is just my thought on the decline in young men in America, too much comfort and too little expectations.

[Conquistador]

Amen. A man without struggle equals death. Although, once you gain success you develop ways to keep your motivation without struggling too much. You find that sweet spot so to speak. You are on the right track though. Above all else avoid comfort, that is something only women should seek.

[Rorogue]

Good post. Sounds like you have a good head on your shoulders.

That's it, put yourself through struggle that will make you stronger- which, you're correct, a lot of these incels (who are probably average looking), haven't done.

(04-22-2019 11:06 PM)a mans life Wrote:  

I can relate to this thread because I am in the new generation (21 years old). I have a comfortable life with everything paid for (gas, college, food), and am living at home. Not to complain, but it is tough to force yourself to do hard stuff when it is not required of you and your siblings. Once I finish school (2 more years) I'm going to move out immediately and then I will be forced to struggle. I haven't developed much confidence, and it's easy to revert back to comfort. When I move out I am going to not receive any financial support from my parents, I want to finally struggle and develop a sense of worth. Incels are probably people like me, middle class average looking guys who are not forced to grow up. There is just endless video games, porn, sugary foods, etc... and not much of a push on you to improve besides just sending you to college. I watched a coach red pill video and he basically said just walk out the door and then you don't have to force yourself to develop character, it comes from making it in life on your own. I realize my parents are doing what they think is best, and ultimately it is my responsibility fix my life. This is just my thought on the decline in young men in America, too much comfort and too little expectations.

[Captainstabbin]

(04-22-2019 11:06 PM)a mans life Wrote:  

I want to finally struggle and develop a sense of worth. Incels are probably people like me, middle class average looking guys who are not forced to grow up. There is just endless video games, porn, sugary foods, etc... and not much of a push on you to improve besides just sending you to college.

I'm getting the quote backward but what you're seeing in your friends is the old:

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Good times create weak men. And, weak men create hard times. Hard times create strong men. Strong men create good times.

Glad to see you rising above it.

[Hedonist94]

(04-22-2019 11:06 PM)a mans life Wrote:  

I can relate to this thread because I am in the new generation (21 years old). I have a comfortable life with everything paid for (gas, college, food), and am living at home. Not to complain, but it is tough to force yourself to do hard stuff when it is not required of you and your siblings. Once I finish school (2 more years) I'm going to move out immediately and then I will be forced to struggle. I haven't developed much confidence, and it's easy to revert back to comfort. When I move out I am going to not receive any financial support from my parents, I want to finally struggle and develop a sense of worth. Incels are probably people like me, middle class average looking guys who are not forced to grow up. There is just endless video games, porn, sugary foods, etc... and not much of a push on you to improve besides just sending you to college. I watched a coach red pill video and he basically said just walk out the door and then you don't have to force yourself to develop character, it comes from making it in life on your own. I realize my parents are doing what they think is best, and ultimately it is my responsibility fix my life. This is just my thought on the decline in young men in America, too much comfort and too little expectations.

I suspect that it's not just struggle but also the capacity to meet the challenges of the struggle. A guy without too many skills working a minimum wage service job is going to struggle to make rent and to attract women. I've met people who for whatever reason were still living like that in their 30s/40s, and they're some of the least confident people I've ever met.

To build confidence, the struggle must pose a challenge but not enough that it can't be overcome. There's an optimum level of challenge which encourages action and builds confidence, too great or too low can damage your confidence.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arnold_J._...d_response

Similarly, a lot of these incels weren't necessarily people who never faced a challenge but never able to overcome them. For instance when I visited relatives over the long weekend, there was talk of a lot of bullying going on in schools, far more than I can remember. It's difficult to imagine a kid getting picked on from ages 6-12, and being able to attract girls in high school from ages 13-17.

[bgbusiness]

(04-22-2019 11:06 PM)a mans life Wrote:  

I can relate to this thread because I am in the new generation (21 years old). I have a comfortable life with everything paid for (gas, college, food), and am living at home. Not to complain, but it is tough to force yourself to do hard stuff when it is not required of you and your siblings. Once I finish school (2 more years) I'm going to move out immediately and then I will be forced to struggle. I haven't developed much confidence, and it's easy to revert back to comfort. When I move out I am going to not receive any financial support from my parents, I want to finally struggle and develop a sense of worth. Incels are probably people like me, middle class average looking guys who are not forced to grow up. There is just endless video games, porn, sugary foods, etc... and not much of a push on you to improve besides just sending you to college. I watched a coach red pill video and he basically said just walk out the door and then you don't have to force yourself to develop character, it comes from making it in life on your own. I realize my parents are doing what they think is best, and ultimately it is my responsibility fix my life. This is just my thought on the decline in young men in America, too much comfort and too little expectations.

Mid 20s here. Been there and done that. Living by myself in college and the years after/before that were one of the most challenging, but beneficial time period for me.

I can definitely relate what you are describing. The state of the society has fallen dramatically and there isn't much thing to look forward to as a young man unless you had some crazy genetics and you became an athlete or had a rich dad.

"Man are made, woman are born..."

[Manbeline]

I can relate to the 21 year old. I recently got a good paying job, but I dread getting too comfortable in this lifestyle cause it will make me get lazy on pursuing my even greater dreams. I was always in a struggle kind of life, so it felt wrong for me to relax despite having a lot more money and comfort than before. I can buy what I want, I live in a nice space, and women are attracted to me a whole lot more than before. Naturally this means I should be ready to settle down, but I do not want to do that yet. There is still something big I need to do, and a family and comfort will stop that cold.

[AntoniusofEfa]

(04-22-2019 11:06 PM)a mans life Wrote:  

I can relate to this thread because I am in the new generation (21 years old). I have a comfortable life with everything paid for (gas, college, food), and am living at home. Not to complain, but it is tough to force yourself to do hard stuff when it is not required of you and your siblings. Once I finish school (2 more years) I'm going to move out immediately and then I will be forced to struggle. I haven't developed much confidence, and it's easy to revert back to comfort. When I move out I am going to not receive any financial support from my parents, I want to finally struggle and develop a sense of worth. Incels are probably people like me, middle class average looking guys who are not forced to grow up. There is just endless video games, porn, sugary foods, etc... and not much of a push on you to improve besides just sending you to college. I watched a coach red pill video and he basically said just walk out the door and then you don't have to force yourself to develop character, it comes from making it in life on your own. I realize my parents are doing what they think is best, and ultimately it is my responsibility fix my life. This is just my thought on the decline in young men in America, too much comfort and too little expectations.

You will never experience a real struggle since you got everything paid for. Try supporting yourself while in College, and you will see what struggle REALLY means.

If you chose the right major, and have done some internships, you will get a nice 9 to 5 job making plenty of money. Much beyond what any salaried employee in other countries could make.