[Arkania]

I have been approaching for some time and I noticed that venues have trade-offs between the number of cute girls vs difficulty of getting convos.

For example, the street has the most quantity, but it's the most difficult. I've timed it in NY and you can see a 7+ by herself every 4-5 minutes. The downside for me is that the conversion ratio is super low on the street.

On the other hand, on clothing stores, most girls open and they will give you a grace period to display your personality. I've also timed it, and you can approach one cute girl every 20-30 minutes.

Taking into account (1) the conversion ratio and (2) the number of girls, what is the most efficient venue if we want to invest X amount of time for gaming?
If this question is too complicated, maybe there are venues we should definitely avoid?

Also, if you think efficiency is a combination of venue + style (direct/indirect), please share your thoughts too.

I don't care how much effort it is, I'm willing to go for anything, but I want to make the most efficient use of my time.

[jacknap]

(03-25-2019 08:26 PM)Arkania Wrote:  

I have been approaching for some time and I noticed that venues have trade-offs between the number of cute girls vs difficulty of getting convos.

For example, the street has the most quantity, but it's the most difficult. I've timed it in NY and you can see a 7+ by herself every 4-5 minutes. The downside for me is that the conversion ratio is super low on the street.

On the other hand, on clothing stores, most girls open and they will give you a grace period to display your personality. I've also timed it, and you can approach one cute girl every 20-30 minutes.

Taking into account (1) the conversion ratio and (2) the number of girls, what is the most efficient venue if we want to invest X amount of time for gaming?
If this question is too complicated, maybe there are venues we should definitely avoid?

Also, if you think efficiency is a combination of venue + style (direct/indirect), please share your thoughts too.

I don't care how much effort it is, I'm willing to go for anything, but I want to make the most efficient use of my time.

I'm trying to figure this out myself. The problem with stores/malls is that it's private property so if someone is a hater they can just use the power dynamic to ban you etc. I had it happen to me finally after pillaging this one store for 10 years.

I like street but yeah NYC can be very cold/rainy so probably rough I'd imagine.

[Rendok]

I personally have good experience from approaching on University campuses. Not sure how the situation is in the US, but here in Australia the campuses have no access restrictions, so I just go there despite not being a student (even had sex on the campus). Quite some 7+ (except in the Gender Studies department...). I also noticed that the girls have often lot's of time on their hands, which makes them more responsive to an approach.

[Obermarschall]

How about a park? Sure, parks are only an option if the weather is good, but very often you will find single girls, reading books and nobody who is in a hurry. The perfect spot for daygame beginners in my point of view!

[Arkania]

(03-26-2019 02:38 AM)Rendok Wrote:  

I personally have good experience from approaching on University campuses. Not sure how the situation is in the US, but here in Australia the campuses have no access restrictions, so I just go there despite not being a student (even had sex on the campus). Quite some 7+ (except in the Gender Studies department...). I also noticed that the girls have often lot's of time on their hands, which makes them more responsive to an approach.

The campuses here are just buildings, not these open spaces you have in mind (except for Columbia, but that's far), so unless you enter the building it's the same as on the street.

Maybe a trip to Columbia is worth it though. What is your go-to opener in campuses?

[ieatkeyboards]

The bus or train, with a few caveats.

In a major city, only go for tourists, if you're a foreigner then you're usually golden if you're from a "respected" country. I ask girls for their opinion on "pictures of the city". I always have some pictures of the city, that I have in a message going to my friend. I say something like, "Hey, I'm sending my buddy pictures to get him excited to come here for his birthday next month. What do you think of these?" (they're always dope pics from instagram accounts that take pictures of said city.) If I do it in a really "chill" way I've never once not gotten a positive response, (except for NYC and London!)

This opens a million things to start talking about. Also, it works 10x better if you start the conversation in the local langauage (speak it badly, but confidently,) then stop mid sentence and say "You understand English right?"

I did it for the first time this one day, I sincerely wanted advice on the picture I was gonna send to my friend. The response was so surprisingly positive I did it again the next day... and then the next... and the next...

IDK if it's for everyone. My Latino friend with tight game tried it once, he went in kinda macho and the girl closed down real quick. I think if you can fake that you're genuine, and you don't have alternative motives, most chicks aren't gonna blow you off. Just remember to act more interested in the picture than her.

The downside is this requires taking certain buses lol. You need to do it on the 15 minute bus from the center to the "corpo district" or any sort of line that will be 1) a little crowded so that you don't look like a fool walking across an empty bus, but not too crowded so that you can hardly hear each other / the girl feels other people are listening and judging. and 2) a line where most people get on at one stop, and off at the other, (Warsaw has the perfect bus for this.)

If there's an easier way than this, enlighten me. I've never gotten such a ridiculously high success ratio anywhere except maybe on a cruise ship or spring break.

I can't believe I've never heard anyone else talk about this.

[Batman_]

Imo any place with a lot of foot traffic is ideal. Outdoor dayclubs are excellent - you can literally stand with a group of friends and pull women in who walk past you. Although obviously these don't exist everywhere. I think you have to live in a major city to be able to run day game.

I've heard that Patrice O'Neal used to stand around in NYC (probably Times Square) for hours talking to a friend or w/e and he would comment on girls as they walked by and they'd be instantly drawn in.

This is just me but I really hate doing approaches in quiet areas where you have to "scan" around a lot.

[Seanchaí]

(03-26-2019 03:54 PM)Batman_ Wrote:  

Patrice O'Neal used to stand around in NYC (probably Times Square) for hours talking to a friend or w/e and he would comment on girls as they walked by and they'd be instantly drawn in.

Patrice was the man. I do recall him commenting on street approaches saying that it was doable but difficult. Logistics matter after all, and if someones walking past especially quickly as they do in cities it's hard to pull off the street. Not saying it can't be done, I just find it odd walking around the street on my looking for someone to talk to. Anytime I've had success with this I was always in a pair. If you have a mate who's down I would suggest bringing him along. Worst comes to worse you end up walking round bullshitting with your friend.

Personally I think book stores work very well as far as day gaming goes. A lot of people browse when they go to book stores even when they have a specific book in mind. This works to your advantage as you won't arouse any suspicion staying there for a long time. And likely she won't be in a rush either. Ideally find one close to a university, for obvious reasons. If there's a university guaranteed there will be a bookstore within a few blocks.

[PapayaTapper]

Book stores at mall were always my favorite for cold approach. It's easy to have a reason to open but my favorite has always been:

PT "Excuse me, do you have a copy of Mongo and Evan* in stock?"

Her "Uhhh...I dont work here"

PT "So does that mean you wont help me?"

If you can get a smile out of her (within the first 10-20 seconds) play on. If not: move on.

Most mall book stores have coffee shop nearby if not in em for an insta-date. I actually prefer evening as its easier to convert to drinks

*Mongo and Evan is a made up title that allows me to weave in this story (below) later if its working.

Quote:

In college I developed this little routine specifically to get the conversation about sex. I would tell chicks that I actually had multiple personality disorder. When they inevitably would ask me questions the bit would run something like this:

PT- "Yeah on one end of the spectrum I have a personality named Evan"

Chick- "Oh really? And what is Evan like?"

PT- "Well Evan is like the super sensitive guy who will hold your hand, watch a sunset with you, cuddles and makes slow sweet passionate love to you"

Chick- "Oh yeah? So what's else is in there?"

PT "Well on the other end of my personality spectrum is Mongo"

Chick "Oooh.. what's Mongo like?"

PT "Mongo is pretty much a caveman. He just reaches over and grabs you by the hair like this (I'd slide my hand up the back of their neck onto the scalp and grab a big handful of hair on the back of their head and tug...even done it to two girls at once) He then drags you into the bedroom, tears your clothes off and proceeds to jungle fuck the shit out of you"
surprised

Of course "Mongo" always gets the strongest reaction. After the "OMG's" and laughs inevitably they ask "so which personality are you?"

PT -"Oh I'm just PT but I'm the most important one"

Chick- "Oh yeah, why's that?"

PT - "Cause I'm the one that knows when and decides which of the others needs to comes out to play" (smirk)

I can't count how many times I ran that bit in bars, parties or even from the back seat of a car. I've never failed to get a very positive reaction. It especially works well on two sets and I converted a few threesomes from it Kissy

[Rendok]

(03-26-2019 08:07 AM)Arkania Wrote:  

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Maybe a trip to Columbia is worth it though. What is your go-to opener in campuses?

Depends on the situation. If I catch a girl walking, I often go for a direct opener, compliment her on her looks and then go on with something like, "let me guess, based on your look you are a [enter a subject] student?!"
Other indirect openers I used:
"you must have a big exam coming up, studying on a Sunday..."
"that looks like an interesting book, what is it about..."
"the answer you are looking for is "E=mc2"
Also used the Mystery classic of:
"Hey, have you seen that weird guy protesting for [some cause] who just got removed by security?"

[Rendok]

(03-26-2019 05:55 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Book stores at mall were always my favorite for cold approach. It's easy to have a reason to open but my favorite has always been:

PT "Excuse me, do you have a copy of Mongo and Evan* in stock?"

Her "Uhhh...I dont work here"

PT "So does that mean you wont help me?"

If you can get a smile out of her (within the first 10-20 seconds) play on. If not: move on.

Most mall book stores have coffee shop nearby if not in em for an insta-date. I actually prefer evening as its easier to convert to drinks

*Mongo and Evan is a made up title that allows me to weave in this story (below) later if its working.

Good opener Bro. Often in bookshops myself and definitely going to try that one out!

[DonnyGately]

In NYC I'd say it's Central Park/bookstores/supermarket are super easy to find and chat up hot girls. Most will be receptive, if they're not just roll off to the next one.

Plenty of hot 18-25 chicks in bookstores in Manhattan.

[ksbms]

The answers are good but none try to quantify the efficiency. I believe the question should have been more precise, meaning: efficient in terms of foot traffic and the number of possible approaches or efficient in terms of probability of obtaining contact details (or instadate or even more)? Depending on the question, the answer will be different.

In sheer numbers, Primark during weekend sale will have the highest number of young (sometimes too young) girls per square meter. The girls are not going anywhere, rain outside doesn't matter, the only problem is security. Due to the last one, it's more of a "hit and run" venue. After half an hour, buying nothing and talking to girls you will look suspect. Next, in the same vein, there are the typical young girls' fashion shops, e.g., Zara, H&M and the like. If they are located in a mall, all the better. Thus, no rocket science, part of the mall with female clothing shops and areas around them, on a weekend day, is your best shot for quantity but you need to do it solo - a group of giggling (yes, giggling) 4 under-dressed guys catches the staff and security attention in no time. There's a skill to do the approaches smoothly.

In probability numbers, I would say the more specific venue, the higher the chance you have something in common - a particular section in a bookstore can make an easy, indirect approach possible, especially as the girl isn't going anywhere. A fancy coffee shop comes close, but because you'll be static, it's more of a luck than anything else, unless it's a high traffic coffee shop. If you position yourself well, you may have a chance to talk to a few girls but because traffic is so much lower, you may have a very good day followed by all mums and grandmas day. But if you stop for coffee anyway, you may on the off chance be in a position to score one lazy approach for free.

Let's not forget museums in big cities - they can be a goldmine on a rainy day for tourists but you need to bring up to speed same day lays. Very frequently the girls I talked to in museums, they chose it as their last attraction to see before leaving, thus it was sometimes literally hours - never succeeded past instadate with a girl due to leave in a few hours - you'll have to be probably some 1k approaches in, with a couple same day delay lays to pull it off.

Anyway, what I wanted to highlight, thinking correctly and learning the city flow, you can identify best possible logistics for a particular city. There are some universals, I've mentioned above but bear in mind, each city in each country will have its idiosyncrasies and identifying them, will increase the odds of success. No need to limit yourself just to a crowded street with fast walking people. This can be a bad choice in many cases.

Overall, there is a great skill in logistical assessment and choice as well as identifying a high probability lead. Just to master the two, you'll need 500-1000 hours being out and about, discounting approaches.

[Arkania]

(03-29-2019 07:50 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

The answers are good but none try to quantify the efficiency. I believe the question should have been more precise, meaning: efficient in terms of foot traffic and the number of possible approaches or efficient in terms of probability of obtaining contact details (or instadate or even more)? Depending on the question, the answer will be different.

Thanks for the comment, I didn't notice it was unclear before.
In my question, I defined efficiency as (number of girls)x(conversion ratio).
To be more specific:
-Number of girls: approach opportunities, i.e., cute girls by themselves.
-Conversion ratio: quantifies the number of dates (either insta dates, or number closes that won't flake). This is NOT just number closes.

Ultimately, a good meaning for efficiency seems to be (number of dates)/hour.

[ChefAllDay]

(03-26-2019 02:38 AM)Rendok Wrote:  

I personally have good experience from approaching on University campuses. Not sure how the situation is in the US, but here in Australia the campuses have no access restrictions, so I just go there despite not being a student (even had sex on the campus). Quite some 7+ (except in the Gender Studies department...). I also noticed that the girls have often lot's of time on their hands, which makes them more responsive to an approach.

There are no women in Gender Studies that could break a 4 either for looks or personality. Even if they are hot as fuck they will have a shit attitude.

[Philosopher]

Public transport, when it is not too loud yet crowded so that she cannot leave you easily

[Rendok]

(03-29-2019 07:50 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

The answers are good but none try to quantify the efficiency. I believe the question should have been more precise, meaning: efficient in terms of foot traffic and the number of possible approaches or efficient in terms of probability of obtaining contact details (or instadate or even more)? Depending on the question, the answer will be different.

I agree that the density at a busy mall is higher than on campus. However, I do not get a higher conversion ratio from one hour sarging at a mall than I get from one hour sarging on campus (as a matter of fact, I am on campus now and had two approaches in 30 mins and one number close). There is only so many approaches I can do in one hour and I personally need some rest in between approaches where I can reflect on what went well and where I can improve. I also found that I approach less if there are too many approachable girls. Reckon it’s like a kid at Toy’s’Rus who cannot decide which of the 1,000 Lego sets to get…

[ksbms]

(03-29-2019 06:30 PM)Rendok Wrote:  

(03-29-2019 07:50 AM)ksbms Wrote:  

The answers are good but none try to quantify the efficiency. I believe the question should have been more precise, meaning: efficient in terms of foot traffic and the number of possible approaches or efficient in terms of probability of obtaining contact details (or instadate or even more)? Depending on the question, the answer will be different.

I agree that the density at a busy mall is higher than on campus. However, I do not get a higher conversion ratio from one hour sarging at a mall than I get from one hour sarging on campus (as a matter of fact, I am on campus now and had two approaches in 30 mins and one number close). There is only so many approaches I can do in one hour and I personally need some rest in between approaches where I can reflect on what went well and where I can improve. I also found that I approach less if there are too many approachable girls. Reckon it’s like a kid at Toy’s’Rus who cannot decide which of the 1,000 Lego sets to get…

I wouldn't focus too much on numbers - getting or dragging out a number from a girl is easy - most are, due to their psychology, non-confrontational creatures, thus give them away to get rid of of man who is overly persistent and can't perceive subtle signals she's a "no" for him (at least, at that very time) or she won't reply later because the bubble burst, she cooled down and the next day his an afterthought due to her not "knowing" him. Rather, I'd say that a better metric is approach to date ratio. Some girls will just go on a date out of boredom but relatively few will engage a couple of hours of their time with a man whom they don't fancy at all (although, from what I'm reading on the forum, Russia and Ukraine are a different story).

[DonnyGately]

I keep telling guys that museums are an overlooked resource. In big cities like NYC and Philly you get tons of tourists and locals. Go around lunchtime on a Sat or Fri nite and go for the instadate.

[BlueMark]

(03-30-2019 10:15 AM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

I keep telling guys that museums are an overlooked resource. In big cities like NYC and Philly you get tons of tourists and locals. Go around lunchtime on a Sat or Fri nite and go for the instadate.

+1. In NYC the museums are also open late Friday and Saturday nights. You can meet girls from out of town who are bored and possibly DTF but want to avoid all the messy sausage fest night venues (bars, clubs, meetups). I wish I had had more time and energy when I lived there to explore that scene.

[Arkania]

(03-30-2019 10:15 AM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

I keep telling guys that museums are an overlooked resource. In big cities like NYC and Philly you get tons of tourists and locals. Go around lunchtime on a Sat or Fri nite and go for the instadate.

I like the premise, could you elaborate?
I have tried museums here in NY, but there are very few girls by themselves. Should I just approach two-sets or something else?

[BlueMark]

(04-01-2019 08:29 AM)Arkania Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 10:15 AM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

I keep telling guys that museums are an overlooked resource. In big cities like NYC and Philly you get tons of tourists and locals. Go around lunchtime on a Sat or Fri nite and go for the instadate.

I like the premise, could you elaborate?
I have tried museums here in NY, but there are very few girls by themselves. Should I just approach two-sets or something else?

It might be seasonal. I found it good during Aug-Sep, when girls newly arrived in town were open to meeting guys. Other NYC members have told me that girls try to lock down boyfriends for the winter, so there's that.

I didn't approach two-sets, although I would have considered it if I had had a wing. Your best bet is to find a decent wing who can also do the low-key Day Bang-style approaches suitable for a quiet museum environment.

[DonnyGately]

(04-01-2019 08:41 AM)BlueMark Wrote:  

(04-01-2019 08:29 AM)Arkania Wrote:  

(03-30-2019 10:15 AM)DonnyGately Wrote:  

I keep telling guys that museums are an overlooked resource. In big cities like NYC and Philly you get tons of tourists and locals. Go around lunchtime on a Sat or Fri nite and go for the instadate.

I like the premise, could you elaborate?
I have tried museums here in NY, but there are very few girls by themselves. Should I just approach two-sets or something else?

It might be seasonal. I found it good during Aug-Sep, when girls newly arrived in town were open to meeting guys. Other NYC members have told me that girls try to lock down boyfriends for the winter, so there's that.

I didn't approach two-sets, although I would have considered it if I had had a wing. Your best bet is to find a decent wing who can also do the low-key Day Bang-style approaches suitable for a quiet museum environment.

May - Sept when they have the bar on the roof of the Met open there are always many hot chicks there drinking wine, etc. You can bounce from there with 1 or 2 girls easily to the next bar. Amazing skyline views, the girls will be getting white wine white girl wasted. Artsy chicks are also dtf.

If you live in Manhattan you can take them back to your place very easily in my experience, or back to hers.

[Captain Gh]

Nothing will ever beat a direct street approach rightly done... ever! I used to be categorically against direct street Game... but when I started doing it... The Humongous attraction spike it creates right off the bat allows you to get ahead with a lower quality of Game. Every player should at least be doing DayGame Or NightGame in my book, even if it's only a Side Dish to Online Game.

[Heuristics]

-Museums
-Art shows
-Popular public urban parks
-High end shopping malls
-Well regarded coffee shops with university aged girls or cute hipster girls
-university campuses