Quote: (02-10-2019 10:27 AM)nomadbrah Wrote:
For those of us on the forum, the better move is definitely not to burn bridges. Always leave on a good note and always do a small task with the same enthusiasm and professionalism. This is one of those low key "markers of future success" that I've noticed through the years. People who do their shitty tasks diligently and in a good mood, usually end up better off. The same goes for those who make boring tasks into a competition.
The above is the best post in this thread.
Also, you guys are conflating ghosting on the way in and ghosting on the way out, which are completely different.
In my opinion, ghosting on the way in just demonstrates a complete lack of character. Unless I'm missing something, you ghost on the way in either because you got a better offer, or you're a gay millenial who has arrived at the conclusion that remaining idle presents a better value proposition than starting a job. If you got a better offer, just shoot off a polite two sentence e-mail explaining that, its not a big deal. If you're a gay millenial, then I understand you ghosting because I cannot imagine looking at myself in the mirror after actually putting into words that you would rather eat cheetos on your couch than start a new job. If you are ghosting on the way in, you've turned into that latin american girl that's two hours late for your date. A comprehensive disdain for the time and resources of other people.
I'm all for holding employers accountable. If they misrepresented the job description then fuck them, leave. You would never know that if you didn't show up for day 1.
Ghosting on the way out is fine because the employer might not honor the two weeks and/or employ a dramatic escort of you out of the building, so iIdon't really see a problem with that.
Other comments:
-In the US, it will vary by state, but it will cost an employer approximately $70k to pay you $40k of which you will take home $30k. Additional costs are:
-Payroll tax
-Workers Comp
-Payroll servicing/administration
-Unemployment Insurance
-Litigation risk/Wrongful Termination/Discrimination
-Fringe benefits
-Training
-Misc
Let's just make it easy and say you have to more than double your salary in profits to make it equitable to the employer to hire you. Doubling your salary is merely break even, and the employer would have been in the same position as if they had never bothered to hire you in the first place. So just layer whatever corporation your are thing of's profit margin on top of the double to get an idea of what type of profits you should be contributing to the company.
Comment #2:
-This idea that employers and companies have some sort of social responsibility to foster wholesome communities through they're employee relations is some gay shit and is the antithesis of what this forum is about. You want to help your community? Do something with your life, earn money, and spend it in your community. Employers are not a security net that is supposed to take care of people. They are supposed to earn money and pay taxes. That's it. Yes, I'm all for removing these ridiculous tax breaks that mega corporations abuse, that's obvious.
Paying useless people a "living wage" when they don't do shit is just welfare by a different name. You see it all throughout the municipal and government sector, complain about useless government workers, yet want corporations to do the same thing. WELFARE. Policeman/Fireman/Teachers --> WELFARE. If being one of these dramatically overpaid workers is such an act of charity, why is there a line down the street and around the corner every time there is a single opening for one of these positions? At least shaniqua with seven children stays the fuck out of my way when I'm trying to get shit done every day.
Comment #3:
Deepdiver had a good post about the trades. We live in the same general area. There is a ton of work available in the trades and customers will pay a premium for people who speak english and are professional. The narrative that illegal immigrants are stealing your jobs is way off base. Yes, maybe if all you have to offer is manual labor or are otherwise easily replaceable with no skills. Illegals are attractive in the construction trade because they are productive and they actually work. Plenty of illegals with skills are getting paid $25-$35 under the table which is equivalent to $50 on the books because they work hard and get shit done. They are also 100% more reliable than americans. Sorry. Never hear any bullshit excuse from them. When I say skills I mean finish carpentry, rough plumbing and electric. Contrast this with the typical union member.
The guy in DeepDiver's post would be earning double if he was willing to take the risk and open his own business. That's the moral of this story. Be self employed and you never have to deal with interviews or HR departments.