[Max RNR]

Horrible.

"Catlin had reportedly struggled with mental health in the past.Her sister, Christine Catlin, told The Washington Post that Catlin was “a really special person - kind, funny, empathetic, and talented at literally everything she did. She just felt like she couldn’t say no to everything that was asked of her and this was her only escape.”

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/10/us/olympi...index.html

[the-dream]

Rest in peace.

[jeffreyjerpp]

(03-11-2019 09:04 AM)Max RNR Wrote:  

Horrible.

"Catlin had reportedly struggled with mental health in the past.Her sister, Christine Catlin, told The Washington Post that Catlin was “a really special person - kind, funny, empathetic, and talented at literally everything she did. She just felt like she couldn’t say no to everything that was asked of her and this was her only escape.”

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/10/us/olympi...index.html

Really, really sad.

The implicit pressure on women to succeed at absolutely everything, all at once, is insane. Sheryl Sandberg basically formalized it in "Lean In". Combine with mental health issues and the results are not good.

It's also a convenient mythology for billionaire plutocrats like Sheryl Sandberg, because it masks the reality of declining living standards with an implied failure to "lean in" adequately, and be hyper-productive for 14 hours per day every single day. It seems like this poor girl really took all this to heart, and thought she if she wasn't an internationally successful cyclist while also getting a graduate degree from Stanford, life wasn't worth living. Totally insane.

[Garuda]

She suffered a concussion a few months back and had made one suicide attempt before. I'm not sure why her parents didn't pull the plug and bring her home after that.

http://archive.is/nT3Xv

Quote:

Townsend said Catlin sustained a concussion in training this winter and was struggling to deal with the physical and mental effects.
“Her last couple of months here must have been very tough,’’ he said. “It breaks our hearts to think about it, because we were close to Kelly. We’re stunned. We’re heartbroken.’’

Family members knew she was troubled after the concussion.
“She couldn’t train as well as she used to,” Christine Catlin said. “She had really bad headaches and was sensitive to light. Then she tried to commit suicide in January. … She had written this lengthy e-mail [to her family] and said her thoughts were racing all the time. She was suicidal, her thinking was really dark and she had taken to nihilism. We called police the moment we got the e-mail, and they got there in time to save her that time.”
After that incident, Catlin’s family focused on her recovery, and she convinced them she was getting better, according to her siblings.

“Just a week or two ago, we were making plans, and I was optimistic about her future,” Colin Catlin said. “She did have plans for the future, it turned out. Her plans.”

[la bodhisattva]

(03-11-2019 12:39 PM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 09:04 AM)Max RNR Wrote:  

Horrible.

"Catlin had reportedly struggled with mental health in the past.Her sister, Christine Catlin, told The Washington Post that Catlin was “a really special person - kind, funny, empathetic, and talented at literally everything she did. She just felt like she couldn’t say no to everything that was asked of her and this was her only escape.”

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/10/us/olympi...index.html

Really, really sad.

The implicit pressure on women to succeed at absolutely everything, all at once, is insane. Sheryl Sandberg basically formalized it in "Lean In". Combine with mental health issues and the results are not good.

It's also a convenient mythology for billionaire plutocrats like Sheryl Sandberg, because it masks the reality of declining living standards with an implied failure to "lean in" adequately, and be hyper-productive for 14 hours per day every single day. It seems like this poor girl really took all this to heart, and thought she if she wasn't an internationally successful cyclist while also getting a graduate degree from Stanford, life wasn't worth living. Totally insane.

Where do you see this? I only see a Western society that celebrates every banal and asinine thought that leaks out of a women's mouth, champions every life choice, and excuses every failure by blaming a fairytale version of male oppression to mask their own shortcomings.

[CynicalContrarian]

Don't know a thing about this girl specifically.
So only in referring to the idea of a dedicated athlete topping themselves at age 23.

What would be so dire that turning one's life around at that young age would be so difficult?
Hell; at least try a YOLO phase even...
Or was the idea of YOLO taken very much a wrong way?

[jeffreyjerpp]

(03-11-2019 09:40 PM)la bodhisattva Wrote:  

Where do you see this? I only see a Western society that celebrates every banal and asinine thought that leaks out of a women's mouth, champions every life choice, and excuses every failure by blaming a fairytale version of male oppression to mask their own shortcomings.

What you're seeing is the collective coping of millions and millions of depressed, confused young women. It is easy for this forum to analyze how badly society treats young men, and the difficult position that men generally are in, but I think we overlook that much of this is true for women as well.

Believe it or not, women are in a terrible position. The (((media))) plays up their "empowerment", increasing labor force participation, greater success in education, etc.

None of this matters.

Women are now more depressed, diseased, and isolated than at any time in recorded history. Middle aged white women are drinking themselves to death:

"Nine charts that show how white women are drinking themselves to death

Drinking is killing twice as many middle-aged white women as it did 18 years ago.

Generally, middle age (age 35 to 54) is not the time to die in modern societies. It is past teenage dangers, before the serious perils of age, and improved medical care and public-health campaigns are keeping more people alive.

So why are middle-aged white women dying more often even while death rates for other groups continue to go down? What are white women doing that is so different?"

washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

Women derive mental health from mating, nesting, and nurturing their offspring amidst a supportive network of family and friends. They do not become happier or more stable by imitating men, being "empowered", or whatever feminist bullshit is saying today.

Yet governments, corporations, and educational institutions are brainwashing women in the opposite direction. They subconsciously want to be loved and provided for, and to spend their time nurturing children. Yet also get the message that this is a sign of weakness and inferiority. The result is a schizophrenic, self loathing mindset. They try to do everything- wife, mother, corporate exec- all at once and inevitably fall short in one or more categories, while desperately attempting to portray a facade of perfection on Instagram. Hence, they are constantly on the brink of a nervous breakdown and can't endure even mild criticism.

[Captain Gh]

Only speculating... but potentially her concussion might have led to CTE damage. Elite male athletes become very very gloomy while recuperating from

concussions... so I can only imagine how devastating it could be for female athletes. Combined with the fact that her life was cycling... just cycling... and you have a recipe for disaster right there!

[MrLemon]

(03-12-2019 12:14 AM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 09:40 PM)la bodhisattva Wrote:  

Where do you see this? I only see a Western society that celebrates every banal and asinine thought that leaks out of a women's mouth, champions every life choice, and excuses every failure by blaming a fairytale version of male oppression to mask their own shortcomings.

What you're seeing is the collective coping of millions and millions of depressed, confused young women. It is easy for this forum to analyze how badly society treats young men, and the difficult position that men generally are in, but I think we overlook that much of this is true for women as well.

Believe it or not, women are in a terrible position. The (((media))) plays up their "empowerment", increasing labor force participation, greater success in education, etc.

None of this matters.

Women are now more depressed, diseased, and isolated than at any time in recorded history. Middle aged white women are drinking themselves to death:

"Nine charts that show how white women are drinking themselves to death

Drinking is killing twice as many middle-aged white women as it did 18 years ago.

Generally, middle age (age 35 to 54) is not the time to die in modern societies. It is past teenage dangers, before the serious perils of age, and improved medical care and public-health campaigns are keeping more people alive.

So why are middle-aged white women dying more often even while death rates for other groups continue to go down? What are white women doing that is so different?"

washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

Women derive mental health from mating, nesting, and nurturing their offspring amidst a supportive network of family and friends. They do not become happier or more stable by imitating men, being "empowered", or whatever feminist bullshit is saying today.

Yet governments, corporations, and educational institutions are brainwashing women in the opposite direction. They subconsciously want to be loved and provided for, and to spend their time nurturing children. Yet also get the message that this is a sign of weakness and inferiority. The result is a schizophrenic, self loathing mindset. They try to do everything- wife, mother, corporate exec- all at once and inevitably fall short in one or more categories, while desperately attempting to portray a facade of perfection on Instagram. Hence, they are constantly on the brink of a nervous breakdown and can't endure even mild criticism.

In general, women athletes are a bad bet. Their bodies and minds are not designed for athletic achievement. They are built for childbearing, relationships, and gathering root vegetables in the savannah. Also bookkeeping.

[Mage]

Men commit suicide at rate 30:1 compared to women. Nobody gives a shit.

A woman commits a suicide - even a red pill forum says - "feminism hurts women too, poor women, they have it so bad"

Fuck these sentiments. She was a vain person suffering from extreme hubris and paid the price. She had agency over her choices. She was no victim. She was likely supporter of feminism and it's values. If she had born in a different time, with no feminism, she probably would have turned out a different type of a shitty person.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(03-12-2019 02:31 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Men commit suicide at rate 30:1 compared to women. Nobody gives a shit.
...

Amen to this.

Today a hundred guys around the world went to work to provide for their families, suffered a horrific accident and died bloody on the spot, desperately wanting to go home to their wife and kids to be with them for just one minute more.

Woman commits suicide at 23. "Big news, everyone pay attention."

Zero fucks given.

[Sgt Donger]

(03-12-2019 02:31 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Men commit suicide at rate 30:1 compared to women. Nobody gives a shit.

Their families give a shit.

[EndsExpect]

(03-12-2019 03:52 AM)Sgt Donger Wrote:  

(03-12-2019 02:31 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Men commit suicide at rate 30:1 compared to women. Nobody gives a shit.

Their families give a shit.

True! I'm sure they are pissed when they realize the life insurance isn't coming.

With all honesty, I believe that if you are a man then you must accept the fact that people will rarely love you for simply existing. That isn't were your value lies. Instead you must take action and create love... simple existence is not enough. Even our families have expectations of us.

[Cadders]

(03-12-2019 12:14 AM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 09:40 PM)la bodhisattva Wrote:  

Where do you see this? I only see a Western society that celebrates every banal and asinine thought that leaks out of a women's mouth, champions every life choice, and excuses every failure by blaming a fairytale version of male oppression to mask their own shortcomings.

What you're seeing is the collective coping of millions and millions of depressed, confused young women. It is easy for this forum to analyze how badly society treats young men, and the difficult position that men generally are in, but I think we overlook that much of this is true for women as well.

Believe it or not, women are in a terrible position. The (((media))) plays up their "empowerment", increasing labor force participation, greater success in education, etc.

None of this matters.

Women are now more depressed, diseased, and isolated than at any time in recorded history. Middle aged white women are drinking themselves to death:

"Nine charts that show how white women are drinking themselves to death

Drinking is killing twice as many middle-aged white women as it did 18 years ago.

Generally, middle age (age 35 to 54) is not the time to die in modern societies. It is past teenage dangers, before the serious perils of age, and improved medical care and public-health campaigns are keeping more people alive.

So why are middle-aged white women dying more often even while death rates for other groups continue to go down? What are white women doing that is so different?"

washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

Women derive mental health from mating, nesting, and nurturing their offspring amidst a supportive network of family and friends. They do not become happier or more stable by imitating men, being "empowered", or whatever feminist bullshit is saying today.

Yet governments, corporations, and educational institutions are brainwashing women in the opposite direction. They subconsciously want to be loved and provided for, and to spend their time nurturing children. Yet also get the message that this is a sign of weakness and inferiority. The result is a schizophrenic, self loathing mindset. They try to do everything- wife, mother, corporate exec- all at once and inevitably fall short in one or more categories, while desperately attempting to portray a facade of perfection on Instagram. Hence, they are constantly on the brink of a nervous breakdown and can't endure even mild criticism.

Excellent comment.

Whilst it is undeniable that men commit suicide at far greater rates then women, and that people (men AND women) give far fewer shits about male suicides, to get angry and resentful about this both pointless and misguided.

Whilst every suicide is a tragedy, men's disproportionate numbers are simply a reflection of men's greater exceptionalism in EVERYTHING. There are far more male plutocrats, leaders, inventors, explorers, noble prize winners, artists, artisans, philosophers then woman. Just as there are far more male imbeciles, homeless, workplace deaths, criminals, victims of crime, desperately poor, and yes suicides, then women.

There are good biological reasons for this. Bitching about how unfair all these things are and how men are suffering more is to buy into the equality lie just as much as the feminists.

Men and woman are. not. equal.

The powers that be love it when men adopt this 'yeah but men have it worse' narrative. Of course we do. Men have always been exploited by TPTB. That's the deal society hands to men. But we also have it better than women. For it is mostly only men who have both the ability to see the prisons society builds around us AND have the agency to take action. Not all men of course. But enough.

Why do you think the powers that be put soooo much energy into demonising and destroying masculinity? They know that authentic masculinity is always, ALWAYS, the force that brings them down, in the end.

With feminism they played a tried and tested card. The most powerful card possible; to turn the women against the men is a sure way to hobble masculinity.

Which is why jeffreyjerpp's comment is so prescient.

The elite are now so reliant on feminism that instead of it acting as their most powerful weapon, it is now their most fragile liability.

Women will only continue to submit to feminism and empowerment as long as it fulfills their needs. And as jeffreyjerpp's comment attests it is doing so for ever fewer and fewer women. TPTB are losing control of the women.

This is the inflection point, the breaking point of this whole mess. More and more women don't want what 'equality' offers. It is women, not men, who will drive the killing blade into the rancid heart of feminism.

But before they do they need to know that men will be there for them as they do it. Don't bitch about people not caring about male suicides. People never will. People care little about men in general - men don't seek to be cared about; they care about being respected.

Men are in a horrible place right now. But so are women. Feminism didn't set them free, it set them adrift. They desperately want to be led. Complaining that no one cares about men is to dance to the tune of those who wish to keep us both, men and women, down and out of the game they are playing. If we want women to stop branch swinging then we've got to stop being the dancing monkeys.

Help those you can, but don't sweat the one you can't, for the ones you save are the only ones that matter, in the end.

Female nature, unrestrained, got us into this mess, female nature, now uncontrolled, will fix it. It WILL be messy. Feminism will not go quietly, but it will go quickly, when it happens.

Be a man worthy of the respect of other men and the women will follow.

[Easy_C]

(03-11-2019 09:40 PM)la bodhisattva Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 12:39 PM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 09:04 AM)Max RNR Wrote:  

Horrible.

"Catlin had reportedly struggled with mental health in the past.Her sister, Christine Catlin, told The Washington Post that Catlin was “a really special person - kind, funny, empathetic, and talented at literally everything she did. She just felt like she couldn’t say no to everything that was asked of her and this was her only escape.”

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/10/us/olympi...index.html

Really, really sad.

The implicit pressure on women to succeed at absolutely everything, all at once, is insane. Sheryl Sandberg basically formalized it in "Lean In". Combine with mental health issues and the results are not good.

It's also a convenient mythology for billionaire plutocrats like Sheryl Sandberg, because it masks the reality of declining living standards with an implied failure to "lean in" adequately, and be hyper-productive for 14 hours per day every single day. It seems like this poor girl really took all this to heart, and thought she if she wasn't an internationally successful cyclist while also getting a graduate degree from Stanford, life wasn't worth living. Totally insane.

Where do you see this? I only see a Western society that celebrates every banal and asinine thought that leaks out of a women's mouth, champions every life choice, and excuses every failure by blaming a fairytale version of male oppression to mask their own shortcomings.

There's still a grain of truth in what he's saying. The modern paradigm expects women to be a perfect Mary-Sue that the ideological fans can then project their own fantasies on to. I can testify that women who turn back from that are often attacked by their peers as being more or less traitors to the cause.

[Geomann180]

(03-12-2019 02:31 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Men commit suicide at rate 30:1 compared to women. Nobody gives a shit.

A woman commits a suicide - even a red pill forum says - "feminism hurts women too, poor women, they have it so bad"

Fuck these sentiments. She was a vain person suffering from extreme hubris and paid the price. She had agency over her choices. She was no victim. She was likely supporter of feminism and it's values. If she had born in a different time, with no feminism, she probably would have turned out a different type of a shitty person.

To further emphasize Mage's point.

The American War on Terror

casualties ~ 7,000+

suicides* ~ 20,000+

We're constantly talked to about suicide every year, multiple times a year.

G

*Includes vets who got out going by articles admission that 2012 saw roughly 6,500+ suicides. Understated number because never really found any good sources to prove point that I've heard multiple times.

[Captainstabbin]

This chick looked like a teenage boy. If your daughter looks like this, she's got serious problems.

[MaxMillion]

(03-12-2019 12:14 AM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 09:40 PM)la bodhisattva Wrote:  

Where do you see this? I only see a Western society that celebrates every banal and asinine thought that leaks out of a women's mouth, champions every life choice, and excuses every failure by blaming a fairytale version of male oppression to mask their own shortcomings.

What you're seeing is the collective coping of millions and millions of depressed, confused young women. It is easy for this forum to analyze how badly society treats young men, and the difficult position that men generally are in, but I think we overlook that much of this is true for women as well.

Believe it or not, women are in a terrible position. The (((media))) plays up their "empowerment", increasing labor force participation, greater success in education, etc.

None of this matters.

Women are now more depressed, diseased, and isolated than at any time in recorded history. Middle aged white women are drinking themselves to death:

"Nine charts that show how white women are drinking themselves to death

Drinking is killing twice as many middle-aged white women as it did 18 years ago.

Generally, middle age (age 35 to 54) is not the time to die in modern societies. It is past teenage dangers, before the serious perils of age, and improved medical care and public-health campaigns are keeping more people alive.

So why are middle-aged white women dying more often even while death rates for other groups continue to go down? What are white women doing that is so different?"

washingtonpost.com/news/national/wp/2016/12/23/nine-charts-that-show-how-white-women-are-drinking-themselves-to-death/

Women derive mental health from mating, nesting, and nurturing their offspring amidst a supportive network of family and friends. They do not become happier or more stable by imitating men, being "empowered", or whatever feminist bullshit is saying today.

Yet governments, corporations, and educational institutions are brainwashing women in the opposite direction. They subconsciously want to be loved and provided for, and to spend their time nurturing children. Yet also get the message that this is a sign of weakness and inferiority. The result is a schizophrenic, self loathing mindset. They try to do everything- wife, mother, corporate exec- all at once and inevitably fall short in one or more categories, while desperately attempting to portray a facade of perfection on Instagram. Hence, they are constantly on the brink of a nervous breakdown and can't endure even mild criticism.

HOME.TO.ROOST.

[Foolsgo1d]

You just wait until trannies get into all competitions and start taking top spots.

[ed pluribus unum]

Reminds me of Canadian cyclist/speed skater Clara Hughes : in her autobiography (I read 'em so you don't have to, folks!) she talked about her relationship with her cycling coach which was some really fucked up daddy issues/Svengali arrangement where she felt he had ultimate power over everything she did, and it sent her into a spiral of depression. Anyhoo, she eventually snapped out of it, strapped on some speed skates and won a bunch of medals; she's now an official mental health spokesman.

Hughes managed to pull herself out of it and appears to be a strong character; not so much this Catlin chick. Do these coaches apply the same coaching techniques and methods to the females as to the males? Can they just not handle the pressure that guys absorb? Or is it a different approach to coaching altogether?

[la bodhisattva]

(03-12-2019 08:23 AM)Easy_C Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 09:40 PM)la bodhisattva Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 12:39 PM)jeffreyjerpp Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 09:04 AM)Max RNR Wrote:  

Horrible.

"Catlin had reportedly struggled with mental health in the past.Her sister, Christine Catlin, told The Washington Post that Catlin was “a really special person - kind, funny, empathetic, and talented at literally everything she did. She just felt like she couldn’t say no to everything that was asked of her and this was her only escape.”

https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/10/us/olympi...index.html

Really, really sad.

The implicit pressure on women to succeed at absolutely everything, all at once, is insane. Sheryl Sandberg basically formalized it in "Lean In". Combine with mental health issues and the results are not good.

It's also a convenient mythology for billionaire plutocrats like Sheryl Sandberg, because it masks the reality of declining living standards with an implied failure to "lean in" adequately, and be hyper-productive for 14 hours per day every single day. It seems like this poor girl really took all this to heart, and thought she if she wasn't an internationally successful cyclist while also getting a graduate degree from Stanford, life wasn't worth living. Totally insane.

Where do you see this? I only see a Western society that celebrates every banal and asinine thought that leaks out of a women's mouth, champions every life choice, and excuses every failure by blaming a fairytale version of male oppression to mask their own shortcomings.

There's still a grain of truth in what he's saying. The modern paradigm expects women to be a perfect Mary-Sue that the ideological fans can then project their own fantasies on to. I can testify that women who turn back from that are often attacked by their peers as being more or less traitors to the cause.

I don't see any expectation for a woman to be a Mary Sue. However, I see a lot of women being told they ARE Mary Sues. And when reality hits them like a ton of bricks, society is there to pick them back up and blame the patriarchy.

[CynicalContrarian]

(03-12-2019 02:06 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

You just wait until trannies get into all competitions and start taking top spots.

Top spots & then topping themselves...

[Delta]

(03-12-2019 02:31 AM)Mage Wrote:  

Men commit suicide at rate 30:1 compared to women. Nobody gives a shit.

A woman commits a suicide - even a red pill forum says - "feminism hurts women too, poor women, they have it so bad"

Fuck these sentiments. She was a vain person suffering from extreme hubris and paid the price. She had agency over her choices. She was no victim. She was likely supporter of feminism and it's values. If she had born in a different time, with no feminism, she probably would have turned out a different type of a shitty person.

Stop making shit up and making us look bad. Men commit suicide at a much higher rate than women, yes, but it's nowhere near 30x higher and you know it.

And that pulled-out-of-your-ass "statistic" isn't even the worst part of your post... that'd be where you rant about someone who just died being a "shitty person" based on literally nothing.

This is a forum dedicated to molding the types of men who get laid, and to those on here with some actual life experience interacting with other human beings, can you think of a single thing that would dry up pussy faster than a butthurt dude with such pathological anger at the world that his initial reaction to a female suicide is to point out that it happens to men more frequently, and proclaim how much he doesn't care because she was probably a feminist anyway?