[Rigsby]

(03-14-2019 08:59 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  

Being a nation of poets, we have a very old saying in portuguese: 'the amendment is worse than the sonnet', meaning that sometimes you try to fix something that is irredeemably shit, and it just ends up being more shit than it was. So you might as well just do away with the whole thing, instead of adding amendments.

This is UBI.

I know many if not most in this thread are joking, but the support for UBI is real out there even if not here.

Instead of fixing the problem of automation, by rejecting it and letting men be men again and work, people want to be made slaves to the government AND the robots simultaneously? Do people honestly believe the government will give money without asking for obedience? Do people believe that, after a transition period, the surplus UBI-recipients will be kept or, at the very least, not mandatorily sterilized? Why? What would be the benefit?

If you think oligarchs are inhuman, wait until you are ruled over by a malicious AI. Will they take pity and keep feeding you fast food and VR porn until your days are over? Fuck no. Aren't our societies destroyed by too much comfort already? Fuck yes.

At least Ocasio Cortez is bangable, Yang is just a dummy nerd.

I still remember my Portuguese girlfriend. Annabella. We were 14 years old and would pick wild pomegranates in the desert and steal bananas off the trees, after walking in to plantations we shouldn't have been in. We only ever held hands and kissed. A cherished memory, as is growing up around the Portuguese community and experiencing their generosity of spirit, and also their great love of music. It was my first taste of people playing the guitar seriously and it influenced me no end to take it up myself and practice 8 hours a day. But I digress.

That world is gone now. Things change. Time moves on. Look on my work ye mighty and despair...

These are very dark days. Not right now. But soon to come. I predicted a world war not so long back on this very forum. I gave it till 2020. I think I was probably wrong about that. There will be no more great wars. No more wars to end all wars. Those wars have been won. And who you thought won them is not necessarily who really did win them. To paraphrase a previous poster, most people don't even realise they are already slaves.

We bombed the shit out of Dresden. Hell, you yanks even dropped not one, but two, fucking atomic bombs on Japan (not getting in to that argument here, just stating facts). Now look at them! Ok, they got their problems, but where on this island Earth is it ideal?

The industrial revolution was driven by the discovery of oil (and electricity). Imagine that. A few centuries earlier, these things were just not on 99 percent of humanity's radar. It fueled the means and motivation until the whole thing just fed back on itself like Ouroboros eating its own tail (as in Alchemical literature). Consuming itself, yet still feeding itself. Paradox. But reality all the same.

Only a century ago we did not have the means to flick a switch on the wall and instantiate electrical current to power our light bulbs. Ok, a little bit more than a century now, but not far off. And is that taught in schools? About how far we have come as a species, so quickly? No. And with good reason. People might start getting a bit of perspective and decide to concentrate on what is important - being nice to each other, and being nice to the kids that are still not born yet, but will be some day and will have to pick up the pieces of this whole sorry mess we have made.

I've had a very priveleged upbringing. Not in the sense of family or education, but just the good luck to be in certain parts of the world at such a formative time. Where I grew up, we provided 70 percent of the world's supply of coal - this was a massive driver to the industrial revolution. Then a little later I grew up around the world of oil and its infrastructure. I've seen what happens when the 'oil' runs out, or rather the 'coal'. As long as it gets replenished with the new great black hope, it's all good. But what if? That's an argument for another day as well.

But it wasn't just coal that fueled the industrial revolution. There were other things, like Rubber or Latex. That caused massive carnage. All those moving metal parts going hell to to leather at high speed needed righting mechanisms. The automobile needed tyres.

Read Joseph Conrad's Heart of Darkness about the shit that went on in 'The Congo' under Leopold. Apocalypse Now is based on it. Kurtz talks about the moment he went mad when he saw the piles of baby's arms piled up. Hands and arms were actual currency, if not just by proxy. The slaves really were slaves there and not treated well. The latex sap would stick to their hair and rip off the skin. It was fucking brutal. IIRC what I've read and what I've read is true.

Then manufacture moved to South America and a new series of attrocities was initiated. And we all turned a blind eye. Because it benefited us. Because we were 'winning'. Poor slaves. Eh ho, such is life. Eh?

But now we are at a juncture in humanity's progression and we have kind of hit the wall evolutionary wise. I mean. You can't eat money. And how many more fucking McDonalds triple cheese burgers can you stuff down your fat neck?

Man and woman is a glutton. There is more healthy food now than ever. More than that we have information on what is good and what is bad for the body. Sure, there is cancer causing chemicals in everything around us. But is it any surprise after testing so many nuclear bombs out in the open? They banned that shit for a reason, I suspect. I might be wrong about that. But I don't think it helped.

Women are getting restless. They are craving a bit of excitement. The best they can do is being shat on by arab whore-masters, or working on their thousand-cock-stare, but eh, "I love you!, BUT it's just not ENOUGH".

Men have been castrated. Not allowed to be men for fear of violence happening to them: put in prison or worse. It's a rum old game they've been playing. And it works. We talk about 'game' here, but we are fucking amateurs to the greater games played by 'them'.

Ok, so the Trump train is hitting the buffers a bit. There's a new 'game' in town. A new talking point. A new possibility for salvation. A new possibility for division, to be conquered.

Yang? UBI?

You know what, I'm going to admit defeat on this one. Is he a Democrat? Am I taking crazy pills seeing so many support this guy on a red-blooded, right-wing forum for rape-advocates? I'm joking about the last bit. Not funny I know. But last time I looked, not being funny wasn't grounds for being locked up. But even that is changing quick uh?

I'm really not well educated or informed enough to offer much more. I will say that AI as some of you talk and worry about it, is some time way way off. Weak AI or Strong AI? Machine learning or true AI?

There will be many jobs that are not automatable. Caring, cleaning, nurturing. But still, that probably doesn't overall alter the greater demographic of a lot more people being out of work in a few years time. The hottest selling thing was buggy whips, as the old cliche goes, but in 3 years it went hero to zero. No more buggy whips. Ever.

We have already reached a point of mass insanity. I read some stuff about cars checking your sex and your heartbeat. Yeah right. It will never catch on will it? They said that about a lot of things. But slowly it becomes the reality of our new dystopian world. It's here and it's now, and if you don't see it then you are already a zombie. I'm preaching to the gallery here, but for anyone else listening in...

I made a joke once to a Headmistress of a girl's school that my ex used to babysit for (I used to babysit with her sometimes as well - beautiful young girls 3, 6 and 9). Danish good looks and gentle in nature. Anyway, my premise was that I should be paid not to work. Because if someone like me went in to the workplace I would be stealing a job from someone else. And nobody really needs me. Do they? I mean, I don't have people dying because I don't give them medical attention. I'm not a doctor. I don't have people burning to death because I don't put out the flames of their house. I'm not a fireman. What use am I? If I had hard cash I could shit on Instagram whores and feel good about myself in the morning when I wake up. But alas, I'm just little old boring me.

In short, the world keeps turning without me. It doesn't need me. But if I was to apply myself, to really go for something (like every loser in life ever said, I know [another Brando moment - "I could have been a contender"]) maybe I could cause some serious disruption. At the very least I'd just be taking the other guy's job of washing someone else's car. Then again, at that point, I was so far to the Left that I was just about to pop out on the Right!

I wasn't being totally serious. But it turns out that maybe I was half right with my facetious and glib comment.

How many people do we really need? How much money do we need? How much food do we need. How important is nurture and developing healthy adults that can function on an emotional level as well as a physical level? We can add all this up and come to some kind of conclusion. I know I have. You probably have too. Even if we get slightly different results, I would wager we are in the same ball park. It's not difficult.

The industrial revolution has come and gone. With all the benefits and scars that it yielded. The technological revolution is now upon us, and that will have benefits and many scars as well.

I watched 2001 by Kubrick a few days ago. Prescient to this thread. I saw it more about life and death, about birth and growing old than anything about tech gone mad. Maybe I was projecting.

Yang looks interesting. But he's not the second coming.

When will the moment be right for a new Fuhrer though? After Yang? After that again. People need heros. It's forced on them if nothing else.

I watch all this with detached amusement, if not mastery. I do care. But I just feel impotent. Because I am. If only there was something I could do? Vote, procreate, teach, mentor, shitpost on RVF?

Now would probably be a good time for me to STFU I suppose.

I enjoy the differing opinions and back and forth of this forum very much. I even enjoyed PT screaming 'Fuck You', though it might have been a little uncalled for. I wish I could contribute a lot more to things here, but you are all doing a fine job by yourselves.

Long may the Roosh V ship have the wind in its sails.

We are few, and I think most of us are rugged individuals. But we have a common goal in sight: to better our own lives, be the best we can be, and more than that, maintain and develop if possible, a better world for our children.

Women give birth. Men fight to create a stable environment for them to do that. Our work is not yet done. In fact, it is needed more than ever.

I wish I was a younger man. And I wish I had that head on my shoulders that I have now.

A very thought provoking thread. I'm sure there will be a few 'listening in'.

Yes, we are few. And disparate. But that might be our greatest strength.

For now, we are allowed to exist. Because what we think really does matter. We speak the truth, even if we can't exact any real change in this messed up world, in a greater sense. And that's important.

Look on my works ye mighty!

[DarkTriad]

(03-14-2019 06:14 PM)wi30 Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 08:59 AM)ilostabet Wrote:  

Being a nation of poets, we have a very old saying in portuguese: 'the amendment is worse than the sonnet', meaning that sometimes you try to fix something that is irredeemably shit, and it just ends up being more shit than it was. So you might as well just do away with the whole thing, instead of adding amendments.

This is UBI.

I know many if not most in this thread are joking, but the support for UBI is real out there even if not here.

Instead of fixing the problem of automation, by rejecting it and letting men be men again and work, people want to be made slaves to the government AND the robots simultaneously? Do people honestly believe the government will give money without asking for obedience? Do people believe that, after a transition period, the surplus UBI-recipients will be kept or, at the very least, not mandatorily sterilized? Why? What would be the benefit?

If you think oligarchs are inhuman, wait until you are ruled over by a malicious AI. Will they take pity and keep feeding you fast food and VR porn until your days are over? Fuck no. Aren't our societies destroyed by too much comfort already? Fuck yes.

At least Ocasio Cortez is bangable, Yang is just a dummy nerd.

No one is going to go full Luddite and reject automation. New types of jobs will continue to be created and outdated jobs will continue to get phased out. How many people did it take to operate a farm 200 years ago vs operate one today? Fewer people are planting seeds and more are building tractors.

How many people born in 1980 said they wanted to be a software engineer or social media marketer when they grew up?

(03-14-2019 05:12 PM)Syberpunk Wrote:  

Why can't we have a car that lasts indefinitely, and I can physically drive the damn thing?

Planned obsolescence.

Yup, trucking will soon be automated. I predict a lot of recently unemployed truckers turning to the soon to be booming business of hijacking all these unnaccompanied mealtickets roving the highways. After all, who would know the systems better? Followed by a boom in the truck security industry (manned by the ex-hijackers....after all, who would know more about stopping hijacking?) Essentially these guys have another 20 years of employment in their field, mostly doing an easier version of what they're doing now, riding trucks as security without having to drive (or even be awake) for most of it.

Mankind is ingenious, don't throw in the towel yet.

[Mr. Accuride]

Game Over.

[url=https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1106321038479114240][/url]

I remember the cruel times of the 80s, when Japanese people were getting lynched in the Midwest because Japan was threatening to take over the world economically.

[AManLikePutin]

[url=https://twitter.com/PatrickCaseyUSA/status/1106343393121177600][/url]

gotta give it to Yang....at least he's not pretending everything is great and find and it'll all work out magically like a rainbow in the end.

He's actually very red-pilled....other politicians may be, but they put a mask on, but Yang (maybe naively) is spitting out the pure truth, as sad as it sounds.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

There are Asian churches?

[Aurini]

(03-14-2019 12:51 PM)BlueMark Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 12:45 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

Nigeria has the lowest level of automation.

The US, Germany, and Japan have the highest levels of automation.

I'll take more automation any time, any day, without the slightest hesitation. There is an infinite pool of new work for human beings to do if we give the low grade work to robots. There is an infinite pool of new work for human beings to do if we give the medium grade work to robots. There is an infinite pool of new work to do if we give the high grade work to robots.

What kind of work are you talking about? STEM work? That's the only work that I can think of. But many people even in high IQ populations already have trouble doing white collar desk jobs or service jobs that require math, logic, and attention to details. I don't see a large section of the population being smart and diligent enough to adapt to automation by moving to the higher ground of STEM work.

...working for companies where, as a precondition for working for them, you grant them all rights to anything you develop or invent, even outside of working hours.

[NoMoreTO]

Universal Basic Income only works with Closed borders. He has to push back on immigration or the system won't work.

Yang is blowing it.

He is going after white people with guns, he is going to lose his MAGA refugee followers. At first he said he didn't want to talk identity politics and he was just about the money,, giving out those Yang Bucks. I guess he has to throw the left wing dems some red meat - aka anti white man rhetoric.

[BlueMark]

(03-14-2019 05:36 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 05:24 PM)BlueMark Wrote:  

I think you misread my question.

What kinds of new work people will be doing once manual labor and most desk jobs are automated?

Most people are not going to be scientists, engineers, and doctors.

I'd be interested in what this infinite pool of new work would be as well.

The pool of new work is infinite alright. The pool of labor able to do that work is not.

Even the existing job market is having trouble finding qualified highly skilled workers. A lot of applicants, but very few who can do a good job. I see cracks like this in the service sector a lot.

[The Black Knight]

(03-14-2019 08:37 PM)NoMoreTO Wrote:  

Universal Basic Income only works with Closed borders. He has to push back on immigration or the system won't work.

Yang is blowing it.

He is going after white people with guns, he is going to lose his MAGA refugee followers. At first he said he didn't want to talk identity politics and he was just about the money,, giving out those Yang Bucks. I guess he has to throw the left wing dems some red meat - aka anti white man rhetoric.

Give me a break. This is so off the mark.

He is the most pro-white democrat there has been in recent memory. I would argue even one of the most pro-white politicians in general in modern history. He can be more effective than Trump from a baseline level because he can't be hit with the racist or white nationalist charge given his ethnic background. He can touch on brutal truths that no white guy can touch; certain truths that really need to be addressed in US society.

Yang is someone the white community desperately needs right now: a democrat that doesn't demonize white people and acknowledges their struggles. The GOP sure as shit isn't doing anything about it.

Half the reason he wants to do UBI is to save many white communities that have been destroyed in flyover country. He wants white people having kids and their communities thriving. He implies or says this directly if you actually listen to him. He talks how during his non-profit time, he couldn't get smart kids out of college to come work in flyover country because many towns had been degraded into total dumps and everyone is broke. Again, half the point of the UBI is to reset the economic engines for flyover country (i.e. mostly white America); spreading the wealth out a bit from the economic ball hogs that have sucked up all the gains over the past three decades. Places like San Francisco, DC, Seattle, and New York.

Think about it like this:

1. Instead of working shit job in big city, I want to go start a business. Where does 12k/year go the furthest? Flyover country.

2. Where is business formation the weakest geographically and therefore, has minimum competition? Flyover country

3. Ok, I want to leave the city and goto flyover country. Do these people have money to spend? Now they do: 12k/year.

4. Yang also has a policy where he wants to refund $1000 for moving expenses.

Bottom line: Get money flowing into dying flyover white America via incentives and reset the economic engines for many places that have become sad ghost towns.

His comments about white people becoming a minority and how it will likely not be sunshine and rainbows is the same stuff guys on this forum have been saying for years. Think he is wrong?

Go take a walk in the Civil War thread and get back to me.

Yang understands and respects white people problems and is trying to help them with real deal immediate drastic action so they don't go full on revolt. Mentioning white people revolting due to losing their status as the majority in the US isn't being anti-white, that's being realistic and extremely smart. Thank God we have someone running who is even willing to acknowledge that harsh truth this early on and furthermore, is actually willing to do something peaceful, positive, effective, and considerate to fix it.

[Sumanguru]

(03-14-2019 06:59 PM)Mr. Accuride Wrote:  

Game Over.

[url=https://twitter.com/JackPosobiec/status/1106321038479114240][/url]

I remember the cruel times of the 80s, when Japanese people were getting lynched in the Midwest because Japan was threatening to take over the world economically.

Not the best example bro. Japanese-Americans were interred in camps during WWII.

Interesting that old footage (that speech was made a while ago) surfaced right when Yang reached peak popularity. While the by-line sounds bad, when you actually listen to him, nothing he says is particularly outrageous: you think people becoming an ethnic minority while they're losing their jobs and falling into existential despair (hence the rise in drug use and suicides) won't result in instances of violence against those who are seen as the successful/oppressors/others? There's nothing there that's anti-white or full of idpol, especially when you consider his history of acknowledging and sympathizing with poor whites (especially men).

[Sherman]

The more I think of it, taking over the Democratic Party would be a brilliant move. Think of it. There are only two parties. You have only two choices. We already know that the Republicans are totally worthless, as has been accurately characterized by the word "cuck". A real movement supporting Yang, could force the crazy leftists out of the party, with wide range support from moderates of all stripes and classes. With a sensible alternative, dingbat sock puppets like Ocasio-Cortez will be quickly forgotten. In the future, the Democratic Party is going to be the only game in town. It would actually by feasible for someone like Yang to win a majority.

[The Black Knight]

(03-14-2019 10:35 PM)Sherman Wrote:  

The more I think of it, taking over the Democratic Party would be a brilliant move. Think of it. There are only two parties. You have only two choices. We already know that the Republicans are totally worthless, as has been accurately characterized by the word "cuck". A real movement supporting Yang, could force the crazy leftists out of the party, with wide range support from moderates of all stripes and classes. With a sensible alternative, dingbat sock puppets like Ocasio-Cortez will be quickly forgotten. In the future, the Democratic Party is going to be the only game in town. It would actually by feasible for someone like Yang to win a majority.

Now you're getting the big picture.

The GOP is a dying party. A dying brand. Whites make up the majority of the GOP and they are a dying demographic. From a historical perspective, whites are a RAPIDLY dying demographic in fact. Trump was the last shot to turn around the demographic trend but that isn't going to happen from the looks of it now. No deportations, barely any wall, no merit based system. Nada. Plus, dropping the ball big time on other issues like de-platforming/censorship and healthcare. The GOP is on borrowed time now.

Trump would need to win in 2020 AND get a MAGA majority in Congress to alter course but fat chance that is going to happen. He can't even put MAGA guys in his administration. 2018 was his best shot to reorder Congress to be more MAGA but he did barely fuck all to push MAGA guys during the primaries. Recall the 2018 senate race in Michigan with John James; Trump didn't do one visit to give him a boost I believe. He did it for DeSantis in Flordia, got a major boost, and he is now governor.

Trump needed to burn down the GOPe from 2016 onward; threatening to destroy any non-MAGA guy in 2018 and pledging support to MAGA primary candidates. He didn't do this and it has fucked up everything. I'm sure Jared and Ivanka told him not to worry about it.

Even if Trump fixed some things, much of it would be reversed within a decade or so; probably with the GOP's help. Beto just announced and he wants to knock down what little wall there is, for example. If not him, plenty of other democrats will will knock it down (what little there ends up being built) eventually. Only solution is to get a democrat who is semi sane on immigration reform and Yang actually has the toughest platform after Trump; including being tougher than what the GOP was offering only a few years before Trump showed up and shifted the overton window suddenly. After Trump is gone, the GOP will just be back to their cucking ways in full force; they are already getting more bold and overt in their rebellious actions seeing that Trump's power and leverage is dwindling day by day. Even if there is a a MAGA majority within the GOP in the future(not likely), they will still be in the minority in Congress.

Having lived in liberal strongholds where republicans can't get elected dog catcher, one strategy I picked on was that you need to work from WITHIN the majority. Call an elected democrat and say, "I'm a registered republican..." and they don't give a fuck. They'll tune you out; you are nothing. Less than dogshit. They don't need your vote to maintain power. But call and say the opposite and now you have their attention. You can't come out guns blazing with GOP talking points but if you use moderate tone and language, you can get somewhere sometimes.

Make no mistake: the GOP is a dead man walking. This is why I tell people who are still loyal to the GOP/MAGA tenants without flexibility to just start looking at taking over Wyoming or elsewhere and get peaceful secession going before it's too late and libtards start swinging the last conservative strongholds blue.

The current elected democrats are nuts by and large but their party WILL own the entire game soon. A vote for Yang is a vote for setting the democrat agenda from the very top in a far more sensible direction; evolving the country into something that many MAGA types might be comfortable living in despite it not being a perfect deal. I will say though, I will not be comfortable in a President SJW/anti-white/anti-male world however and I'll be looking for an exit very fast if that ends up being the case. Keep in mind: If the AOC types can pull the party to the left, then Yang could potentially pull the party towards the sensible middle with enough support.

This is why voting for Yang is important. Someone like him, with the right message and attributes, might not come around again to shift the democrats in a sensible direction. He's young and could run again but I rather not take the chance. Much better to get democrats on the right path now before they assume total control and power.

People might not believe it but there are "silent majority" democrats out there; people who feel very disenfranchised with the current leadership and culture but can't ever vote GOP; usually based on gun control, abortion, and the perception of a little too much Jesus impacting policy. They don't like unchecked immigration, they acknowledge Islamic violence, and they don't want taxes through the roof. I know they exist because I personally know many of them. Get them, get some flexible MAGA types, and Yang could eventually win the whole thing.

[Samseau]

(03-11-2019 06:17 PM)n0000 Wrote:  

I am not sure if people who advocate UBI have actually met another human being. With enough money to live on, a significant chunk of the population would smoke weed and play video games all day.

Which is already what happens in most welfare communities.

That said, if automation truly makes humans redundant, then perhaps games and weed isn't such a bad deal for the guys at the bottom? Let them live easily in peace.

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(03-11-2019 06:35 PM)Neo Wrote:  

Yang's platform is garbage. He is however intelligent enough to market himself very well to a disenfranchised audience. A lot of the things he is saying is pure pandering straight to what he thinks is his 'base' which many men and angry Trump voters are a part of.

He went on JR and tweeted today about helping unionize fighters in the UFC. He knows his audience well and him and his team have done the calculations, believe me.

Despite Trump's flaws and mistakes, it would be a blunder to support Yang.

If I was the Dems I would strategically engineer and sacrifice a candidate like Yang. Who cares if he doesn't become the nominee? His real end game is being implemented as we speak, convince enough people that there's no point in voting for Trump again.

Convince enough people to a stay home and boom, the real Dem nominee will have a better chance.

Correct.

The simple fact of Yang is that since he can win over conservatives, it automatically makes him toxic for liberals. Liberals are 100% social followers, and if they see a ton of White men attending his speeches, then...

- He will not get any Black, Hispanic, or Jewish vote. Or their money either.
- He will be labeled a phariah, a David Duke, of the Democrat party.

Moreover, he will be cucked or bought out by the Dem party even if he does win. He is not a billionaire with a will of his own. He knows he cannot do shit without big money backing him up. And those big jewbucks he will invariably need will NOT GIVE a single dollar to a White man, let alone $1000, even if the dollars are worthless inflated garbage.

(03-11-2019 06:54 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

UBI is preferable to current social welfare programs, that much is clear. In an ideal world there would be no welfare.

Yes but only if the money provided for the welfare is collected in a way that actually taxes the rich.

VAT taxes are proven regressive taxes that destroy the middle class and keep the poor despondent. It's a glorified sales tax. And like all sales taxes, the cost of the tax is passed onto the consumer as prices are raised to pay for the tax. Poor people get destroyed by the price increases.

A VAT tax to pay 1K a month to everyone will easily see basic inelastic goods like gas or milk double or triple in prices. Your extra $1000 won't mean a fucking thing, it will just be used to keep your standard of living at the same it was before the UBI.

A VAT tax to pay for UBI is the equivalent of giving a sick man who needs a blood transfusion from one of his arms to the other arm, while spilling some blood on the floor. It's completely retarded and hurts the people who are struggling the most.

To tax the rich you need a net-worth tax, which currently only Elizabeth Warren is promoting as a "wealth tax." This sucks, because the net-worth tax is easily the most fair form of tax that would help the poor and middle class without driving up prices, and Warren is a toxic race-faker.

A net-worth tax (aka wealth tax) to pay for a UBI would actually work. Of course the rich would hate losing their own bank account money, and that's exactly why the Jews in the Democrat party will never let it happen, or the greedy shabbos goys in the Republican party will not let it happen either.

Using a net-worth tax to pay for the UBI would be the equivalent of giving a blood transfusion to a sick man from a healthy man, the only real way to institute any kind of charitable equity in an unbalanced economy.

Yang's proposals suck ass, but easily can sway the desperate and the stupid. Overall he has no chance of winning because of identity politics, and the rich who will make him use a VAT tax (instead of actually taxing the rich), but Yang will make a nice name for himself having "fought for the poor" and maybe suck up desperate Whites as they are disenfranchised from their nation.

He's a shifty Chinese man looking to exploit the losing Whites. He serves no purpose other than to further his own ends. How anyone could trust this guy is mind-boggling, especially from the alt-right crowd. They seem to have lost their minds and I fully understand why many conservatives are calling the alt-right 'wignats' (wigger nationalists) because they have no idea on how to help the White race. They are just posers looking to enrich themselves.

(03-13-2019 12:44 PM)Curunír Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 12:29 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 11:46 AM)Curunír Wrote:  

You guys realize that even if Yang would win the presidential elections, that he could not deliver on his promise of 1000$ per month as it would likely be shot down by the GOP Senate or even by the house?

Then the forum would turn on Yang? BTW this guy reminds me of Litecoin founder who sold at the high (good for him).

What is the better message?

"Yeh, we don't like that you lied to us but we won't hold you accountable and vote for you again so you can get away with your lies."

Or

"You don't keep your promises then we will vote your ass out no matter who is running against you."

These politicians are caught lying before an election (see Veritas) and they still win. All because we are conditioned to think "aw shucks, all politicians lie" and are too lazy to actually vote them out.

I bet we would have better candidates if we didn't give them this blind loyalty. Hey our guy is bad, but that other party will make things much worst for you so vote for our guy.

We will never get our country back if we continue doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Insert insanity quote here. Everything Trump has done can be undone very fast. Just like he did to Obama. I was hoping that Trump would buy us some time. He isn't even able to do that.

Yang has 4 years to get me my 1000 bucks. If he doesn't, I will vote for the next candidate that promises me something shiny. Instead of debates I want one of those auctions where each candidate will up what they are willing to pay.

In my view, Trump did not lie or change, he was not able to deliver because of Congress, for example on the wall, going even to the extent of shutting down the government for the longest time ever. So that does not qualify for trying? Trump did not start a foreign war either, banned Muslims from certain countries, signed an executive order to try to build the wall with another method, refused to pursue immigration protection for Salvadorians and Haitians and many others, what exactly are we saying he did not do again?

So I guess what I'm saying is that even another guy would not be able to do everything he promises because of the separation of powers.

Maybe if an alternative to Trump existed, electable, this could be a good idea to turn on Trump. I'm not sure someone from the Democratic party as it exists now qualifies for that, at least not in 2020. That person would not be able to deliver for conservatives or for men in general either. That 1000$ a month, if it happens, would be nothing compared to the extreme cultural harm for men with the Democrats in power. Unless we are talking about only getting 1000$ per month here and not the best for the country.

To get the country back, I think you need 60 GOP senators, House and Senate. Difficult, but not impossible.

The people turning on Trump remind me of the cheap whores I've dated in the past.

You can do everything for a shit woman - buy her lots of stuff, give her all your free time, make her cum relentlessly, shower her with praise, etc.

But the second you fail to do one thing for her, it's "OMG I can do better than you. My last 3 boyfriends did x, y, and z. You don't deserve me, why should I stay with you? I can get a new guy tonight if I wanted to." Of course, nothing you did for her in the past matters - she's a whore, with zero loyalty.

Likewise all of the Trump traitors are saying "OMG I can vote better than you. The last 3 guys I voted for had policy positions of x, y, and z. You don't deserve my vote, why should I vote for you? I can get a new candidate tonight if I wanted to." Of course, nothing Trump has done for us matters - breaking the back of the mainstream media with the greatest election of all time, preserving the last uncucked parts of the Republican party, exposing the Democrats as White hating sociopaths, filling up the Supreme Court with Constitutionalists - Trump traitors are just whores with zero loyalty, right?

Turning your back on Trump when he has done so much right is whore behavior that is unbecoming of a strong man. No one who has such behavior could ever create a strong organization of successful men that stick together through the thick and thin.

I'll say it as many times as I need to - if Abraham Lincoln had the traitorous Republican party, or traitorous Republican voters that Trump has today, the South would have easily won the Civil War.

Go ahead, vote for a lying scumbag Dem - but don't come crying on this forum when the government fucks your life over six ways from Sunday, USSR or Venezuelan style. That was the future you choose by not standing with your tribe and fighting for what is right. If you cannot see how evil the Dem party is after it's actions for the past 10 years, then you simply just need to learn the hard way.

If you actually want to do what is right, you need to join the Republican party and take it over from the inside, as I've detailed here: thread-48360...pid1947067

Change within the Republican party is easier than ever due to Demographics. You can also make a living if you know what you are doing. If you're a broke White man reading this, there are probably jobs in your local Republican party that pay more than the paltry 1K Asian frauds like Yang are offering.

Make the Republican party offer it's own version of the UBI to solve the problem of automation, using a fair and balanced net-worth tax, and rather than create endless government programs to 'fix' society - just lower the tax burden with taxes collected from the rich so that jobs actually pay good wages again. Here's a solid Republican proposal - no one making under 50K should pay a dime in tax. No need to finance freeloaders or take care of useless eaters all day long. Instead, reward the workers.

Once the USA goes bankrupt, a reformed Republican party can take over key parts of the country and make a nice place to live for Christian men, especially White ones, where we can have our autonomy and freedom.

I also know that Dems will retake power between now and bankruptcy, but as long as Republicans can hold onto 1 branch of government, we can obstruct the Dems and force the debts to skyrocket. Making the debt go up as fast as possible is the ultimate accelerationist move. Yang, or any Dem, will hike taxes to levels you see in Sweden to pay for all of the world's human trash. Great idea guyise!!!! That'll show Trump!!

That said, I enjoy the Yang memes and voting for Yang in the primaries just to cause mayhem and open up the topic of automation is still a solid Republican strategy. I may do it myself.

There's no chance in hell he can win the rigged Dem primaries this year. But in 8-12 years...? Anything is possible. Although Kanye West will probably beat him.

[Caduceus]

(03-15-2019 12:01 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Go ahead, vote for a lying scumbag Dem - but don't come crying on this forum when the government fucks your life over six ways from Sunday, USSR or Venezuelan style. That was the future you choose by not standing with your tribe and fighting for what is right. If you cannot see how evil the Dem party is after it's actions for the past 10 years, then you simply just need to learn the hard way.

So much this.

[worldwidetraveler]

(03-15-2019 12:01 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

The people turning on Trump remind me of the cheap whores I've dated in the past.

Yes, yes, we can continue with insults like the people who blindly follow Trump remind me of those soy guys who found out they got repeatedly cucked but still stay with their wives because she is really a good person deep inside and just made a couple mistakes.

That doesn't really help the discussions, though.

[Arado]

(03-14-2019 11:21 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

This is why voting for Yang is important. Someone like him, with the right message and attributes, might not come around again to shift the democrats in a sensible direction. He's young and could run again but I rather not take the chance. Much better to get democrats on the right path now before they assume total control and power.

People might not believe it but there are "silent majority" democrats out there; people who feel very disenfranchised with the current leadership and culture but can't ever vote GOP; usually based on gun control, abortion, and the perception of a little too much Jesus impacting policy. They don't like unchecked immigration, they acknowledge Islamic violence, and they don't want taxes through the roof. I know they exist because I personally know many of them. Get them, get some flexible MAGA types, and Yang could eventually win the whole thing.

Just to confirm, then, you are NOT in the "vote for Yang because then the collapse will come sooner and/or make it easier for us to survive it" camp, correct? You believe that this guy can really turn the whole ship around by moving the Dems away from identity politics?

[Fortis]

I lean towards the "people need to work" camp.

I once let myself slip and was unemployed for an embarrassingly long time.

That was possibly the hardest time of my life. Even if I had money I would not have felt good. Luckily I was able to find gigs here and there to keep things going, but I absolutely hated it.

I'm the sort of person who actually gets anxious on vacations over 2 weeks long because I start to feel the urge to do things.

I doubt people will totally fall off the wagon on 1k a month, but I absolutely know some people, especially groups of people who would pool their 1k together with their friends, rent a decent place and just coast on the bare-minimum of food and water while gaming indefinitely.

There would need to be some serious conditions attached to the 1k a month.

Off the top of my head:

1. No serious substance/alcohol abuse issues
2. No illegals
3. No one below a certain age
4. You must have a history of gainful employment (not part-time bullshit) for x number of years
5. No expats living abroad (sorry SEA sexpats!)
6. Must be married for (x) number of years AND have kids. Yanggang bucks removed if you divorce
7. Every huge corporation needs to pay taxes and reveal their books publically
8. Everyone receiving yang bucks will be listed on a public ledger
9. Yang bucks recipients must also make certain information public (that will be decided at a later date)
10. Families above a certain income bracket won't be considered unless they can make a compelling case (grandma/sickly child needs a nursing case around the clock sort of deal)
11. Politicians are not allowed to have yang bucks but must pay more into the yang bucks system than citizens. Show the people that you care about them.
12. You can only buy necessities or services (plumbing, home repair...) with yang bucks and all your yang buck purchases are made public.
13. If you are caught trading yang bucks for unlisted services (additions to your house) you're stripped of your privileges immediately.
14. Corporations, companies and businesses are not allowed to have yang bucks. Sorry bros, your online businesses don't get an additional 1k a month in revenues for being shitty.
15. Anyone with a history of serious violent crime is not allowed to have yang bucks.


This list could probably be hundreds of items long and would be practically unenforceable. However, I think we would all agree that the 1k a month would need to be something that enforces societal wellbeing as opposed to accelerating societal decline.

I actually think it could work, but it would be in such a limited capacity that everyone who wasn't getting 1000 a month would whine about it and never be for it instead of aspiring to be the sort of American who deserves support.

Truthfully, I wouldn't mind throwing $1,000 a month to middle-class American families who stay out of trouble, but it would never be that way.

[eradicator]

(03-15-2019 12:01 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(03-11-2019 06:17 PM)n0000 Wrote:  

I am not sure if people who advocate UBI have actually met another human being. With enough money to live on, a significant chunk of the population would smoke weed and play video games all day.

Which is already what happens in most welfare communities.

That said, if automation truly makes humans redundant, then perhaps games and weed isn't such a bad deal for the guys at the bottom? Let them live easily in peace.

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[quote] (03-11-2019 06:35 PM)Neo Wrote:  

Yang's platform is garbage. He is however intelligent enough to market himself very well to a disenfranchised audience. A lot of the things he is saying is pure pandering straight to what he thinks is his 'base' which many men and angry Trump voters are a part of.

He went on JR and tweeted today about helping unionize fighters in the UFC. He knows his audience well and him and his team have done the calculations, believe me.

Despite Trump's flaws and mistakes, it would be a blunder to support Yang.

If I was the Dems I would strategically engineer and sacrifice a candidate like Yang. Who cares if he doesn't become the nominee? His real end game is being implemented as we speak, convince enough people that there's no point in voting for Trump again.

Convince enough people to a stay home and boom, the real Dem nominee will have a better chance.

Correct.

The simple fact of Yang is that since he can win over conservatives, it automatically makes him toxic for liberals. Liberals are 100% social followers, and if they see a ton of White men attending his speeches, then...

- He will not get any Black, Hispanic, or Jewish vote. Or their money either.
- He will be labeled a phariah, a David Duke, of the Democrat party.

Moreover, he will be cucked or bought out by the Dem party even if he does win. He is not a billionaire with a will of his own. He knows he cannot do shit without big money backing him up. And those big jewbucks he will invariably need will NOT GIVE a single dollar to a White man, let alone $1000, even if the dollars are worthless inflated garbage.

(03-11-2019 06:54 PM)Heuristics Wrote:  

UBI is preferable to current social welfare programs, that much is clear. In an ideal world there would be no welfare.

Yes but only if the money provided for the welfare is collected in a way that actually taxes the rich.

VAT taxes are proven regressive taxes that destroy the middle class and keep the poor despondent. It's a glorified sales tax. And like all sales taxes, the cost of the tax is passed onto the consumer as prices are raised to pay for the tax. Poor people get destroyed by the price increases.

A VAT tax to pay 1K a month to everyone will easily see basic inelastic goods like gas or milk double or triple in prices. Your extra $1000 won't mean a fucking thing, it will just be used to keep your standard of living at the same it was before the UBI.

A VAT tax to pay for UBI is the equivalent of giving a sick man who needs a blood transfusion from one of his arms to the other arm, while spilling some blood on the floor. It's completely retarded and hurts the people who are struggling the most.

To tax the rich you need a net-worth tax, which currently only Elizabeth Warren is promoting as a "wealth tax." This sucks, because the net-worth tax is easily the most fair form of tax that would help the poor and middle class without driving up prices, and Warren is a toxic race-faker.

A net-worth tax (aka wealth tax) to pay for a UBI would actually work. Of course the rich would hate losing their own bank account money, and that's exactly why the Jews in the Democrat party will never let it happen, or the greedy shabbos goys in the Republican party will not let it happen either.

Using a net-worth tax to pay for the UBI would be the equivalent of giving a blood transfusion to a sick man from a healthy man, the only real way to institute any kind of charitable equity in an unbalanced economy.

Yang's proposals suck ass, but easily can sway the desperate and the stupid. Overall he has no chance of winning because of identity politics, and the rich who will make him use a VAT tax (instead of actually taxing the rich), but Yang will make a nice name for himself having "fought for the poor" and maybe suck up desperate Whites as they are disenfranchised from their nation.

He's a shifty Chinese man looking to exploit the losing Whites. He serves no purpose other than to further his own ends. How anyone could trust this guy is mind-boggling, especially from the alt-right crowd. They seem to have lost their minds and I fully understand why many conservatives are calling the alt-right 'wignats' (wigger nationalists) because they have no idea on how to help the White race. They are just posers looking to enrich themselves.

(03-13-2019 12:44 PM)Curunír Wrote:  

(03-13-2019 12:29 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

You guys realize that even if Yang would win the presidential elections, that he could not deliver on his promise of 1000$ per month as it would likely be shot down by the GOP Senate or even by the house?

Then the forum would turn on Yang? BTW this guy reminds me of Litecoin founder who sold at the high (good for him).

What is the better message?

"Yeh, we don't like that you lied to us but we won't hold you accountable and vote for you again so you can get away with your lies."

Or

"You don't keep your promises then we will vote your ass out no matter who is running against you."

These politicians are caught lying before an election (see Veritas) and they still win. All because we are conditioned to think "aw shucks, all politicians lie" and are too lazy to actually vote them out.

I bet we would have better candidates if we didn't give them this blind loyalty. Hey our guy is bad, but that other party will make things much worst for you so vote for our guy.

We will never get our country back if we continue doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a different result. Insert insanity quote here. Everything Trump has done can be undone very fast. Just like he did to Obama. I was hoping that Trump would buy us some time. He isn't even able to do that.

Yang has 4 years to get me my 1000 bucks. If he doesn't, I will vote for the next candidate that promises me something shiny. Instead of debates I want one of those auctions where each candidate will up what they are willing to pay.

In my view, Trump did not lie or change, he was not able to deliver because of Congress, for example on the wall, going even to the extent of shutting down the government for the longest time ever. So that does not qualify for trying? Trump did not start a foreign war either, banned Muslims from certain countries, signed an executive order to try to build the wall with another method, refused to pursue immigration protection for Salvadorians and Haitians and many others, what exactly are we saying he did not do again?

So I guess what I'm saying is that even another guy would not be able to do everything he promises because of the separation of powers.

Maybe if an alternative to Trump existed, electable, this could be a good idea to turn on Trump. I'm not sure someone from the Democratic party as it exists now qualifies for that, at least not in 2020. That person would not be able to deliver for conservatives or for men in general either. That 1000$ a month, if it happens, would be nothing compared to the extreme cultural harm for men with the Democrats in power. Unless we are talking about only getting 1000$ per month here and not the best for the country.

Samseau, you should know of all people, the country is fucked either way you slice it. Trump just bought us some time, whether it is 4 or 8 years. Yangbucks would buy us some time as well.

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To get the country back, I think you need 60 GOP senators, House and Senate. Difficult, but not impossible.

The people turning on Trump remind me of the cheap whores I've dated in the past.

You can do everything for a shit woman - buy her lots of stuff, give her all your free time, make her cum relentlessly, shower her with praise, etc.

But the second you fail to do one thing for her, it's "OMG I can do better than you. My last 3 boyfriends did x, y, and z. You don't deserve me, why should I stay with you? I can get a new guy tonight if I wanted to." Of course, nothing you did for her in the past matters - she's a whore, with zero loyalty.

Likewise all of the Trump traitors are saying "OMG I can vote better than you. The last 3 guys I voted for had policy positions of x, y, and z. You don't deserve my vote, why should I vote for you? I can get a new candidate tonight if I wanted to." Of course, nothing Trump has done for us matters - breaking the back of the mainstream media with the greatest election of all time, preserving the last uncucked parts of the Republican party, exposing the Democrats as White hating sociopaths, filling up the Supreme Court with Constitutionalists - Trump traitors are just whores with zero loyalty, right?

Turning your back on Trump when he has done so much right is whore behavior that is unbecoming of a strong man. No one who has such behavior could ever create a strong organization of successful men that stick together through the thick and thin.

Right now we have zero solutions from the left or the right regarding the robots replacing the workforce. Getting Yang's message out is a start. If he wins the primary then great. If Yang wins in the primary and loses to Trump, he can try again in 4 years.

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I'll say it as many times as I need to - if Abraham Lincoln had the traitorous Republican party, or traitorous Republican voters that Trump has today, the South would have easily won the Civil War.

Go ahead, vote for a lying scumbag Dem - but don't come crying on this forum when the government fucks your life over six ways from Sunday, USSR or Venezuelan style. That was the future you choose by not standing with your tribe and fighting for what is right.

I didn't vote for president Kushner. I haven't abandoned Trump, he abandoned his supporters. He got rid of Steve Bannon and every other Maga voice in the white house.

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If you cannot see how evil the Dem party is after it's actions for the past 10 years, then you simply just need to learn the hard way.

If you actually want to do what is right, you need to join the Republican party and take it over from the inside, as I've detailed here: thread-48360...pid1947067

Good luck on that, surround myself with cucks in the Republican party so that when they die or retire in 40 years, I can take over? Good luck on that front.

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Change within the Republican party is easier than ever due to Demographics. You can also make a living if you know what you are doing. If you're a broke White man reading this, there are probably jobs in your local Republican party that pay more than the paltry 1K Asian frauds like Yang are offering.

Make the Republican party offer it's own version of the UBI to solve the problem of automation, using a fair and balanced net-worth tax, and rather than create endless government programs to 'fix' society - just lower the tax burden with taxes collected from the rich so that jobs actually pay good wages again. Here's a solid Republican proposal - no one making under 50K should pay a dime in tax. No need to finance freeloaders or take care of useless eaters all day long. Instead, reward the workers.

Once the USA goes bankrupt, a reformed Republican party can take over key parts of the country and make a nice place to live for Christian men, especially White ones, where we can have our autonomy and freedom.

I also know that Dems will retake power between now and bankruptcy, but as long as Republicans can hold onto 1 branch of government, we can obstruct the Dems and force the debts to skyrocket. Making the debt go up as fast as possible is the ultimate accelerationist move. Yang, or any Dem, will hike taxes to levels you see in Sweden to pay for all of the world's human trash. Great idea guyise!!!! That'll show Trump!!

That said, I enjoy the Yang memes and voting for Yang in the primaries just to cause mayhem and open up the topic of automation is still a solid Republican strategy. I may do it myself.

There's no chance in hell he can win the rigged Dem primaries this year. But in 8-12 years...? Anything is possible. Although Kanye West will probably beat him.

As far as I can tell, we don't have any more MAGA candidates after Trump. We have establishment cucks on the right and the left. At least Yang is offering up real solutions to the onslaught of problems. My point for starting this thread is that the other Democrat candidates are garbage, none of them have my best interest, or anyone's interest except for Goldman Sachs and George Soros. So far, they aren't bankrolling Yang. If that happens, then I would jump ship.

The one thing I am convinced of, is that Beto, Biden, Kamala, all want to give us 4 more years of Obama/Bush. Bernie is just too old.

[WalterBlack]

(03-14-2019 08:00 PM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

There are Asian churches?

There's a shit ton of Korean churches in LA and a couple of Chinese too.

[ilostabet]

(03-14-2019 12:45 PM)MrLemon Wrote:  

Nigeria has the lowest level of automation.

The US, Germany, and Japan have the highest levels of automation.

I'll take more automation any time, any day, without the slightest hesitation. There is an infinite pool of new work for human beings to do if we give the low grade work to robots. There is an infinite pool of new work for human beings to do if we give the medium grade work to robots. There is an infinite pool of new work to do if we give the high grade work to robots.

If you want to live in Nigeria...nobody is stopping you.


Regarding the UBI: The federal government will instantly use that to further enslave you. It doesn't matter what the wording is of the law that you pass to enable the UBI. It doesn't matter what you say now. It doesn't matter what your intentions are. The federal government is the most evil force on the planet earth and will INSTANTLY twist and distort any UBI legislation in order to fulfill their goal of universal slavery of citizenry.

TIL: all of civilization before XIX century Europe was Nigeria-level shithole...

[The Black Knight]

(03-15-2019 01:58 AM)Arado Wrote:  

(03-14-2019 11:21 PM)The Black Knight Wrote:  

This is why voting for Yang is important. Someone like him, with the right message and attributes, might not come around again to shift the democrats in a sensible direction. He's young and could run again but I rather not take the chance. Much better to get democrats on the right path now before they assume total control and power.

People might not believe it but there are "silent majority" democrats out there; people who feel very disenfranchised with the current leadership and culture but can't ever vote GOP; usually based on gun control, abortion, and the perception of a little too much Jesus impacting policy. They don't like unchecked immigration, they acknowledge Islamic violence, and they don't want taxes through the roof. I know they exist because I personally know many of them. Get them, get some flexible MAGA types, and Yang could eventually win the whole thing.

Just to confirm, then, you are NOT in the "vote for Yang because then the collapse will come sooner and/or make it easier for us to survive it" camp, correct? You believe that this guy can really turn the whole ship around by moving the Dems away from identity politics?

I am of many minds about Yang and not completely sold yet.

The optimistic side in me wants to:

1. See him push out the worst aspects of the democrats; particularly the identity politics stuff. Trump shifted the entire overton window from the GOP side and Yang could do it (in a different manner) from the democrat side.

2. Improve the lives of those struggling due to all the money being sucked into a few economic centers. Give those people a lifeline to forge their destinies; including moving to conservative states to build out MAGA strongholds or even independent countries. I've been very poor before; I know how a tiny bit of help can make a HUGE difference.

3. Make sure the few players benefiting from destroying entire industries spread the wealth out to avoid a breakdown in society.

Pessimistic side:

1. UBI will enable laziness and breed a weak culture. There is a phenomenon in Singapore I've read about where people supposedly have no drive to innovate or strive for greatness because everything is taken care of by the government. But I think other factors play into that equation.

2. UBI will explode the debt and we will lose our reserve currency status to a more competitive non-UBI power. All doomsday economic scenarios play out: hyperinflation, depression, real estate value collapse, etc.

3. UBI will be abused by future politicians to compel certain desired behaviors/punish behavior.

It's a bit hard to explain my perspective since it's in a bit of a flux right now.

Basically, I think the US is screwed in the medium/long term on the present course.

Accelerating a collapse doesn't really benefit me directly and actually hurts me in many respects. My life is pretty good right now but I know how to play the game and not let the stupid shit really slow me down; despite trying to do its very best to bring me down sometimes. I understand no society is perfect and things go through ebbs and flows, for better or worse.

I'm not a traditional republican. I hold very contrasting views that neither party can fully satisfy in their current forms. Immigration was the big thing for me (still is in a sense) but I've written off MAGA immigration reform as unwinnable and a lost cause now. Yang actually offers the next toughest platform despite being a significant step down. But it's not amnesty day 1 bullshit like the democrats and GOPe want do.

I would hope Yang's platform actually shifts things in a way where my already pretty good life stays that way or improves. I believe his argument on automation and what this is going to do to society overall. I see NO alternatives being presented by anyone else.

But Yang is a very real risk. He is part of a party of anti-white/anti-male fanatics. If Yang doesn't hold his ground, we are getting some really nasty SJW legislation. But the GOP is barely any better; they are largely sell outs... just in a more subtle way. I voted for Trump and he didn't hold his ground and manage many things right; I am still getting a ton of illegals after all.

The demographics are going to give the power to the democrats soon so my mindset is: Get the best leader possible for them and hope for the best and plan for the worst.

Best: 1k/month play money, good affordable healthcare, a cooling on identity politics, and getting rid of some shitty illegals via Yang's 18 year "get a felony and you're gone" deal.

Worst: Debt blows up, hyperinflation, violence along ethnic lines, mass poverty, etc.

In my mind, the aforementioned worst list of stuff is already baked in and already coming unless a major wrench is thrown into the works to alter course. Yang is offering the best possible deal out of everyone running right now (including Trump version 2019); a deal that has some potential to be a very livable situation; albeit with some trade-offs and risks. A very livable situation is way better than a collapse. WAY too many folks here eager to blow things up and have no idea what real violence and poverty looks like and the real implications of that. Reminds me of world class dumbasses who say they want to go fight in a war and kill people but know fuck all about the consequences (physical, financial, emotional, spiritual, etc) of going to war. But I fully support a independent MAGA country via peaceful secession (further supported by Yang Bucks) because I understand not everyone might be down with Yang's version of the future and what it could lead to.

Funny thing is: I gave Trump a honest chance and now everyone is saying voting is pointless and is assuming the worst outcomes if Yang gets elected. But Trump DID get elected so it's obviously not pointless; he has accomplish some things. The issue is that Trump didn't follow through completely and doesn't appear to be on the right course anymore. So be it. Adapt and move on.

There are many paths to a decent life. Trump was one path but he lost way.

Yang is a potential path but it will not be identical to the Trump path. I can probably live with that; still feeling it out however.

I've lived in liberal strongholds as well as conservative ones. They each have their pros and cons; I can make either one work for me to my advantage and lead a good and happy life. There is always the rest of the world to consider if it all goes to shit in the US beyond the point of being worth rebuilding. Again, I'll adapt and move on.

Whatever the case may be, whatever the outcome ends up being, I'm prepared for anything.

Whatever the tide wants to throw my way, I'll be ready.

[[email protected]]

Trump couldn't secure the funding for the wall. Price estimates were something like 8-70b for construction and up to 750m for maintenance. UBI is 300b/year, therefore, there will be no UBI. What you will end up getting is Asian Obama-lite that will clamp down on gun rights by introducing laws that make legal gun ownership unpalatable.

I find the Yang memes hilarious but after you sober up you realise he puts us back on the road to nowhere and potentially lose a lot Americans take for granted (gun rights). At least Trump is trying and it's always funny watching him shit on the MSM.

[Malone]

(03-15-2019 06:32 AM)[email protected] Wrote:  

Trump couldn't secure the funding for the wall. Price estimates were something like 8-70b for construction and up to 750m for maintenance. UBI is 300b/year, therefore, there will be no UBI. What you will end up getting is Asian Obama-lite that will clamp down on gun rights by introducing laws that make legal gun ownership unpalatable.

300 billion a year would be no big. It's not $1k/year. It's $12k/year. That makes it $3.6 TRILLION/year if you assume 300 million recipients.

Not sure how this is anywhere near feasible and even if it was the gibmedats flooding in for their $1k bags would be so much worse than they are now.

[Ouroboros]

(03-15-2019 02:19 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I lean towards the "people need to work" camp.

I once let myself slip and was unemployed for an embarrassingly long time.

That was possibly the hardest time of my life. Even if I had money I would not have felt good. Luckily I was able to find gigs here and there to keep things going, but I absolutely hated it.

I'm the sort of person who actually gets anxious on vacations over 2 weeks long because I start to feel the urge to do things.

I doubt people will totally fall off the wagon on 1k a month, but I absolutely know some people, especially groups of people who would pool their 1k together with their friends, rent a decent place and just coast on the bare-minimum of food and water while gaming indefinitely.

There would need to be some serious conditions attached to the 1k a month.

Off the top of my head:

1. No serious substance/alcohol abuse issues
2. No illegals
3. No one below a certain age
4. You must have a history of gainful employment (not part-time bullshit) for x number of years
5. No expats living abroad (sorry SEA sexpats!)
6. Must be married for (x) number of years AND have kids. Yanggang bucks removed if you divorce
7. Every huge corporation needs to pay taxes and reveal their books publically
8. Everyone receiving yang bucks will be listed on a public ledger
9. Yang bucks recipients must also make certain information public (that will be decided at a later date)
10. Families above a certain income bracket won't be considered unless they can make a compelling case (grandma/sickly child needs a nursing case around the clock sort of deal)
11. Politicians are not allowed to have yang bucks but must pay more into the yang bucks system than citizens. Show the people that you care about them.
12. You can only buy necessities or services (plumbing, home repair...) with yang bucks and all your yang buck purchases are made public.
13. If you are caught trading yang bucks for unlisted services (additions to your house) you're stripped of your privileges immediately.
14. Corporations, companies and businesses are not allowed to have yang bucks. Sorry bros, your online businesses don't get an additional 1k a month in revenues for being shitty.
15. Anyone with a history of serious violent crime is not allowed to have yang bucks.


This list could probably be hundreds of items long and would be practically unenforceable. However, I think we would all agree that the 1k a month would need to be something that enforces societal wellbeing as opposed to accelerating societal decline.

I actually think it could work, but it would be in such a limited capacity that everyone who wasn't getting 1000 a month would whine about it and never be for it instead of aspiring to be the sort of American who deserves support.

Truthfully, I wouldn't mind throwing $1,000 a month to middle-class American families who stay out of trouble, but it would never be that way.

All well and good if you're trying to encourage people to find work. But the premise of the UBI (its raison d'etre) is that automation will destroy the majority of jobs. It makes little sense to add conditions incentivising people to find work if there is no work to be found...

[Leonard D Neubache]

My idea of offering $10k for getting a reversible sterilization prior to childbirth if not employed within a year of leaving high school is still the most effective and affordable way of dealing with the automation issue.

Obviously all immigration would have to stop too but even if it didn't then my plan would weed out the worst arrivals in a single generation and save immense amounts of welfare expenditure in the long term.

Did I mention it was voluntary? No swastikas required.