[GreenPill]

If you are exotic at some area of the world far away from home and getting lays there is super easy (i.e. white guy in the philippines), can it hurt your game back home where the closing rate is much tougher?

[Atomic]

No.

Every girl is a learning lesson. Whether it's a layup or a battle for the super bowl.

[yankeetravels]

Yes and it does. Two years later my mindset hasn't 100% adjusted back to trying to game American chicks versus Filipinas. You may find less tolerance in bullshit/attitude girls from a harder country pull that are not more attractive than the easier ones you met abroad.

[Carthaginist]

If you consider only how much you get laid, yes it does. I definitely lost motivation to put up with the obnoxious personalities of spoiled Western women, and quit game almost entirely.

I see it as a positive thing, though: I realised that my ROI is much lower in the West and when I'm there, I should spend that time on other pursuits that are more fruitful.

[rottenapple]

(02-24-2019 04:30 AM)Carthaginist Wrote:  

If you consider only how much you get laid, yes it does. I definitely lost motivation to put up with the obnoxious personalities of spoiled Western women, and quit game almost entirely.

I see it as a positive thing, though: I realised that my ROI is much lower in the West and when I'm there, I should spend that time on other pursuits that are more fruitful.

Agreed, you just lose all interest to western women. It doesn't even have to do with their looks. A girl back home can pass the boner test easily but as soon as she starts to show attitude you will just eject and lose interest, because the price is no longer worth the effort. Whenever I'm back in the west, I focus on spending time with good friends and family. Occasionally when I see a nice girl I will talk to her a bit, but 90% of the time I lose interest within the first 15 minutes because of western attitudes and the other times she will likely notice very soon I am not going to do anything near what she wants for me to gain her approval. It kind of fucks you in a way though because it made it almost impossible for me to consider living in the place where my family and best friends are located in the long term.

[eck]

(02-24-2019 01:21 AM)GreenPill Wrote:  

If you are exotic at some area of the world far away from home and getting lays there is super easy (i.e. white guy in the philippines), can it hurt your game back home where the closing rate is much tougher?

Yes, it does, because you understand that the ROI (return of inversion) of gaming in the West is A SHIT. Period. You'll start wondering how you can go back to your personal poosy paradise, and if you are not mentally strong, you could get depressed even.

[tugofpeace]

Makes me really wonder whether it's worth looking for a wife here (U.S.) or just getting someone from where I was born (India).

[The Grey]

(02-24-2019 04:30 AM)Carthaginist Wrote:  

If you consider only how much you get laid, yes it does. I definitely lost motivation to put up with the obnoxious personalities of spoiled Western women, and quit game almost entirely.

I see it as a positive thing, though: I realised that my ROI is much lower in the West and when I'm there, I should spend that time on other pursuits that are more fruitful.

+1 on your and rottenapple's post

[IronShark]

(02-24-2019 01:21 AM)GreenPill Wrote:  

If you are exotic at some area of the world far away from home and getting lays there is super easy (i.e. white guy in the philippines), can it hurt your game back home where the closing rate is much tougher?

Tell me about it! I had given up centuries ago when I got back to miserable London.

[scotian]

Every time I return home to Canada from a few months of doinking young chicas down south it takes me awhile to remember that Canuck sluts generally don’t date guys 15 years older than them. I pretty much exclusively date Latinas here in Canada these days, the others aren’t worth the bother anymore.

[griffinmill]

I travel to EE regularly and while it's not always "easy" it's certainly easier than trying to bang girls in my home country (UK).

In EE I'm banging chicks on first or second date. They're usually relaxed and not at all uptight when it comes to their sexuality, and yes - they're just nicer people.

Back in the UK I'm required to do more work. Even when I have good first dates and they're blowing up my phone after, getting them out again and playing the long game and just dealing with higher levels of entitlement is incredibly frustrating. They seldom make it easy. The amount of numbers I have had to delete recently because of the tomfoolery from these chicks as they run (I'm guessing) girl game on you is enough to make you weep.

Broke one of my rules the other night and took a girl out for dinner. I didn't even get a thank you or a thank you text. I always forget I'm not in the EE and these errors are my own stupid fault. In EE, she'd have refused dinner and insisted she come round to cook for me instead.

[WomenLuvDeez]

(02-24-2019 01:32 AM)yankeetravels Wrote:  

Yes and it does. Two years later my mindset hasn't 100% adjusted back to trying to game American chicks versus Filipinas. You may find less tolerance in bullshit/attitude girls from a harder country pull that are not more attractive than the easier ones you met abroad.

I find this to be true as when I was in South America I had the "white god" complex that they give you in Bogota and getting a lay was as easy as meeting up with the girl and having maybe one drink before going home and having multiple girls I could text any day of the week to come over and get fucked. BUT when I got home I found myself to be 100% less attracted to the way of the westernized woman and how they overestimate their true SMV by A HUGE amount. In the states looks/status/wealth helps but it won't do shit if you don't have game but In (in my perspective) S.A. you just need to be confident and a man from the states that isn't latin. I've had multiple girls tell me they've always wanted to fuck a American. Having light eyes and being over 6ft did help though. You don't need to be a bodybuilder or even be in amazing shape but like anyone you shouldn't be fat or if you are you should be working on your personal self to help improve you in general.

I find myself often wanting to fly down to Bogota just to go fuck some Colombiana's because for me, its like fishing with a M80 for me and many other guys on this forum based on the posts I've read.

[Irish]

(02-24-2019 05:08 AM)rottenapple Wrote:  

(02-24-2019 04:30 AM)Carthaginist Wrote:  

If you consider only how much you get laid, yes it does. I definitely lost motivation to put up with the obnoxious personalities of spoiled Western women, and quit game almost entirely.

I see it as a positive thing, though: I realised that my ROI is much lower in the West and when I'm there, I should spend that time on other pursuits that are more fruitful.

Agreed, you just lose all interest to western women. It doesn't even have to do with their looks. A girl back home can pass the boner test easily but as soon as she starts to show attitude you will just eject and lose interest, because the price is no longer worth the effort. Whenever I'm back in the west, I focus on spending time with good friends and family. Occasionally when I see a nice girl I will talk to her a bit, but 90% of the time I lose interest within the first 15 minutes because of western attitudes and the other times she will likely notice very soon I am not going to do anything near what she wants for me to gain her approval. It kind of fucks you in a way though because it made it almost impossible for me to consider living in the place where my family and best friends are located in the long term.

co-sign on this

My experience has been the same. Generally my game has gotten much better since moving out to Singapore as compared to when I left - mainly through all the reference experiences gained have boosted my confidence. But that's more than offset by the amount i've raised my standards and particularly my lowered tolerance for bullshit. To the point most western girls just aren't worth the effort to me anymore. Be it here in SG or back in the UK.

greenpill Wrote:

If you are exotic at some area of the world far away from home and getting lays there is super easy (i.e. white guy in the philippines), can it hurt your game back home where the closing rate is much tougher?

I might also stress to the OP that in SE Asia the days of just 'turning up and being white' have long since passed. For sure you still have a big advantage vs local guys, but there's been enough white dudes kicking about all the major SEA locations for a while now that you're pretty far from "exotic" nowadays. You'd need to go to 3rd and 4th tier cities now for a similar effect to what you would've experienced in the likes of BKK, JKT, MNL back in the day. You can thank tinder+ and Instagram for transporting further the waves of western thirst over to this part of the world as well.

Sure you can still bang poor farm girl 5s off tinder if that's your bag, that'll always be piss easy. But if you're aiming for any level of decent quality, you need to bring more to the table than your skin colour. Cos the other hundreds of western lads in her DMs have that one covered already.