[Jozi]

I have spent the last hour looking at a map of Europe. It makes me wonder, which area (if any) is still relatively conservative/traditional in terms of values and culture. Let's compare it with what Idaho or Utah (conservative) is to California or New York (liberal/degenerate).

I have split up Germany into different regions as I know different mentalities can be found there depending on the area. I also excluded a few locations that we all know are far from traditional (Scandinavia, Finland, West Germany, Spain, England, Scotland, Netherlands, Belgium, France), and a couple of others that I do not count as Western Europe (Portugal, Southern Italy, Greece). I however added Slovenia to the poll as it's pretty much in the middle of Western/Eastern Europe.

[Laner]

This doesn't work as a poll.

The most traditional areas are going to be parts of larger areas.

For example, the best region for wife material due to tradition have been places like Friesland or rural Austria.

Let me tell you a bit about my real estate investment strategy. After all my numbers work, I pay a little visit to the area. I find all the places that hire pretty 16yo girls and I go visit each of these shops. If the girls working are indeed pretty, but they have a look of hope in their eyes, then this place has a future. That girl is likely to stay, and she likely has a boyfriend who also would like to stay.

When I travel through small areas with lots of tradition and I see girls who are still in high school and they look hopeful, this is going to be a good area for at least another generation.

Its when those same girls have looks of hopelessness that I know there is not much of a future there, both for them and real estate.

[Sp5]

Ridiculous poll choices. You consider Slovenia Western Europe but not Spain, Portugal?
Why Northern Italy and not Sicily if you're looking for tradition? Rural France and Germany are quite traditional.

Looks like you have very fixed preconceived ideas and want to rig a poll to confirm them. No, we don't "all know."

[durangotang]

I wish we could define traditional. What are the metrics that you consider traditional? For example, it seems like girls in cities in Ireland, Bavaria, or Switzerland might be living a more cosmopolitan lifestyle with higher notch counts than girls in Spain, Portugal, or Italy who seem to be restricted to social circle game despite more prevalent globohomo views in certain cases. Would you rather have a more closed society, reliant on social circle game but have a lower notch count serious girlfriend or wife - or would you rather be in a more disassociated and accepting society with easier access to girls but with much higher notch counts? If tradition means passing something down to the next generation, where would you rather find a wife to raise your kids? Which areas spend more time with their families than time interacting with the state?

Perhaps you should add a few more regions to your list, why not let people vote for any region that they want in Western Europe?

[SaintLaurentJake]

Wheres South Italy, Portugal, Czechia ?

[Adolf Hipster]

Definitely not Switzerland. It's a progressive paradise. There might be some conservative parts in the mountainous areas but they account for less than 5% of the total population.

[Waqqle]

None of the above. I have not been to Europe yet (going next month) but, from what I've heard, I would guess Portugal or Slovakia if you are talking about whole countries including their big cities and not only the rural areas.

This is of course depending on how you define the borders of Western Europe. For example, you could say that Slovakia is Central Europe and not Western Europe and you could say that Belarus and Moldova are both Eastern Europe. If Western Europe cuts off after Germany and Austria, then I would guess Portugal, Spain, or maybe Malta.

Of the options you gave in the poll, I'd guess Slovenia but...

[Jozi]

(01-29-2019 04:42 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

I wish we could define traditional. What are the metrics that you consider traditional? For example, it seems like girls in cities in Ireland, Bavaria, or Switzerland might be living a more cosmopolitan lifestyle with higher notch counts than girls in Spain, Portugal, or Italy who seem to be restricted to social circle game despite more prevalent globohomo views in certain cases. Would you rather have a more closed society, reliant on social circle game but have a lower notch count serious girlfriend or wife - or would you rather be in a more disassociated and accepting society with easier access to girls but with much higher notch counts? If tradition means passing something down to the next generation, where would you rather find a wife to raise your kids? Which areas spend more time with their families than time interacting with the state?

Perhaps you should add a few more regions to your list, why not let people vote for any region that they want in Western Europe?

Do you think it's possible to have an open/accepting society but with low notch count women? If so, where would this be?

Yes they can vote for whatever they want. Can't fit all of them in the poll though, hence I took away a lot of options in the actual poll.

[durangotang]

(01-29-2019 06:28 PM)Jozi Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 04:42 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

I wish we could define traditional. What are the metrics that you consider traditional? For example, it seems like girls in cities in Ireland, Bavaria, or Switzerland might be living a more cosmopolitan lifestyle with higher notch counts than girls in Spain, Portugal, or Italy who seem to be restricted to social circle game despite more prevalent globohomo views in certain cases. Would you rather have a more closed society, reliant on social circle game but have a lower notch count serious girlfriend or wife - or would you rather be in a more disassociated and accepting society with easier access to girls but with much higher notch counts? If tradition means passing something down to the next generation, where would you rather find a wife to raise your kids? Which areas spend more time with their families than time interacting with the state?

Perhaps you should add a few more regions to your list, why not let people vote for any region that they want in Western Europe?

Do you think it's possible to have an open/accepting society but with low notch count women? If so, where would this be?

Yes they can vote for whatever they want. Can't fit all of them in the poll though, hence I took away a lot of options in the actual poll.

That's a good question. It seems like the only way to restrict female sexuality is for the eyes of their family or community to be upon them. That leads to thirsty dudes. We all know how much easier girls are when they are on vacation. America is an open society, but outside of rural (nutter) religious communities, the girls are very high notch count. I don't have a good answer for you. Eastern Europe would probably be the best place, although you'd have to get more granular in your search than that. Perhaps somewhere off the beaten path that a foreigner still has status, that opens up opportunities that otherwise might be closed to you.

[Laner]

Remember to not confuse low notch count, traditional, and conservative as being one and the same.

Take Spain for example. Very hard to bang the girls there, but many are far from conservative or traditional.

Western Europe is hard for this reason. So I will stick with my Frieslander or Moravian girls.

[Jozi]

(01-29-2019 08:58 PM)Laner Wrote:  

Remember to not confuse low notch count, traditional, and conservative as being one and the same.

Take Spain for example. Very hard to bang the girls there, but many are far from conservative or traditional.

Western Europe is hard for this reason. So I will stick with my Frieslander or Moravian girls.

Western Europe is hard because girls don't sleep around much? Not sure I agree with that. I don't know anywhere where girls fuck as much as places like the UK and Scandinavia. Maybe Switzerland and Central Europe is closer to Italy and Spain though, it'd make sense.

[JWLZG]

(01-29-2019 04:29 PM)Sp5 Wrote:  

Ridiculous poll choices. You consider Slovenia Western Europe but not Spain, Portugal?
Why Northern Italy and not Sicily if you're looking for tradition? Rural France and Germany are quite traditional.

Looks like you have very fixed preconceived ideas and want to rig a poll to confirm them. No, we don't "all know."

I concur. Ridiculous wannabe trad-manosphere mental masturbation thread.

(01-29-2019 04:42 PM)durangotang Wrote:  

[...] For example, it seems like girls in cities in Ireland, Bavaria, or Switzerland might be living a more cosmopolitan lifestyle with higher notch counts than girls in Spain, Portugal, or Italy who seem to be restricted to social circle game despite more prevalent globohomo views in certain cases.

You are seriously romanticising the supposed prudishness of girls in the Latin countries.

[Laner]

(01-31-2019 12:23 PM)Jozi Wrote:  

(01-29-2019 08:58 PM)Laner Wrote:  

Remember to not confuse low notch count, traditional, and conservative as being one and the same.

Take Spain for example. Very hard to bang the girls there, but many are far from conservative or traditional.

Western Europe is hard for this reason. So I will stick with my Frieslander or Moravian girls.

Western Europe is hard because girls don't sleep around much? Not sure I agree with that. I don't know anywhere where girls fuck as much as places like the UK and Scandinavia. Maybe Switzerland and Central Europe is closer to Italy and Spain though, it'd make sense.

No, I meant its hard to answer the original question and poll.

There are conservative sluts like Poland, and there are liberal prudes like Spain. And there is everything in between.

[Shimmy]

(01-29-2019 05:59 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

None of the above. I have not been to Europe yet (going next month) but, from what I've heard, I would guess Portugal or Slovakia if you are talking about whole countries including their big cities and not only the rural areas.

This is of course depending on how you define the borders of Western Europe. For example, you could say that Slovakia is Central Europe and not Western Europe and you could say that Belarus and Moldova are both Eastern Europe. If Western Europe cuts off after Germany and Austria, then I would guess Portugal, Spain, or maybe Malta.

Of the options you gave in the poll, I'd guess Slovenia but...

I have not read your post, but from what I've heard you are not qualified on giving an opinion on the matter.

[Llama Deam]

There really isn’t any country in Europe that is “trad” by the manospheres defintion. The closests would probably be Ireland, rural France or the Balkans. IMO you are better off in some parts of Asia if you want to find traditional and conservative society.

[Waqqle]

(01-31-2019 08:52 PM)Shimmy Wrote:  

I have not read your post, but from what I've heard you are not qualified on giving an opinion on the matter.

That seems like an unwarranted insult. What have you heard? Was it what I wrote in the first two sentences of the post you didn't read or are you some kind of authoritarian who just wants to tell me that I'm not allowed to have an opinion on something for which an opinion poll was made? I haven't heard anything about you as I try not to publicly attack people online based on anonymous gossip like an adolescent girl so I don't really know what you're about. I can only go on what I've seen here.

Just making jokes. As a rule though, I avoid submitting myself to any autocrat who tells me I'm not "qualified" to think unless they've got a gun to my head so you're not going to hear me apologize for not believing that Dublin is the next white nationalist trad-con paradise or whatever you think it is unless you're ready to seriously threaten my life. If you're not prepared to escalate to that level, then you'll just have to endure knowing that I exist and that I have thoughts on something that doesn't matter very much. If you are prepared to escalate to that level over something as minor as this, then you have some serious issues that I'm afraid I'm not qualified to help you with.

I sincerely hope that you find the help you need and that the rest of your day or evening is as relaxing as possible.

[Al O'Peesha]

It would be more appropriate to tackle this question in the same way as you would answer a question along the lines of "Where are the wealthiest/poorest areas in Western Europe?", which would bring up provinces, cities, states or other smaller administrative units.

You will get affluent areas and impoverished areas in most (if not all) places, often side-by-side. Same with attitudes, mores, etc.

For what it's worth, I would argue that Belfast and Dublin are much more pozzed than any number of small towns in rural France or Spain, provincial Britain etc. I would imagine that the same goes for large cities anywhere in Europe.

And, without wishing to be pedantic, Bavaria was part of the old West Germany.

[RDF]

(02-01-2019 12:02 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

That seems like an unwarranted insult. What have you heard? Was it what I wrote in the first two sentences of the post you didn't read or are you some kind of authoritarian who just wants to tell me that I'm not allowed to have an opinion on something for which an opinion poll was made? I haven't heard anything about you as I try not to publicly attack people online based on anonymous gossip like an adolescent girl so I don't really know what you're about. I can only go on what I've seen here.

I'm not mad, just making jokes. As a rule though, I avoid submitting myself to any autocrat who tells me I'm not "qualified" to think unless they've got a gun to my head so you're not going to hear me apologize for not believing that Dublin is the next white nationalist trad-con paradise or whatever you think it is unless you're ready to seriously threaten my life. If you're not prepared to escalate to that level, then you'll just have to endure knowing that I exist and that I have an opinion.

He's making the point that given that you have never been in Europe (as you stated in your post), you have no intel on the most traditional place in Western Europe. Thus, why are you posting an opinion in a thread regarding that topic? As for the second paragraph of your post... no comment.

It should be basic etiquette to not post about things you have zero first-hand experience about, especially in the travel forum where everything is about first-hand experience. I don't post about anything about Japan, for example, because I've never been there and I know nothing about it besides what I've read online. Why people try to act like experts on places that they've never visited is perplexing.

[Waqqle]

(02-01-2019 12:55 PM)RDF Wrote:  

He's making the point that given that you have never been in Europe (as you stated in your post), you have no intel on the most traditional place in Western Europe. Thus, why are you posting an opinion in a thread regarding that topic? As for the second paragraph of your post... no comment.

It should be basic etiquette to not post about things you have zero first-hand experience about, especially in the travel forum where everything is about first-hand experience. I don't post about anything about Japan, for example, because I've never been there and I know nothing about it besides what I've read online. Why people try to act like experts on places that they've never visited is perplexing.

"I have not been to Europe yet (going next month) but, from what I've heard,..." That's the second sentence of my post. I wasn't acting like an expert. I was saying that I wasn't and expressing an opinion, which is what the original post asked for.

The original post in the thread does not specify anything about firsthand experience. It is an opinion poll. I do not need to have been to a country in order to have an opinion about it. For example, I think North Korea is probably less safe than other Asian countries I've been to. I have not been there but I've heard from people who have, heard from people who are from there, and been exposed to enough information about the place to form an opinion. And he wasn't making a point by refuting anything I said. He was just being rude and belittling me. I'm obviously being sarcastic and having a bit of fun in my reply but I don't have to respond to unprovoked rudeness with "You're right and I'm so sorry for not knowing my place." This is the internet but, as you said, there should still be some basic etiquette, yes?

[Llama Deam]

Maybe my definition of a traditional or conservate society is different from you guys because honestly there are no European countries much less Western European countries that are conservative. Between 1/3 to 1/2 of all European children today are born out of wedlock. Young people aren’t marrrying and religiosity among the youth is nonexistent. If you want find a traditional society you will be better off in most of Asia then Europe.

My vision of a conservative society has always been something like 1950s America. High fertility rate, strict gender roles, strong family values, low rate of out of wedlock births, high marriage rates etc. I don’t think there is a single European country that immulates my definition.

A lot of people on this forum seem to be under the impression that Eastern Europe is conservative when it’s really not. Most Eastern European countries have low fertility rates and young people largely aren’t getting married. Even in places like Ukraine and Russia young women are surpasssing their male counterparts in academics, job opportunities etc. Moscow has just as many thirty year old barren career women as London and Paris. Not to mention many Eastern European countries have some of the highest divorce rates in the world and single mothers are very common. Honestly, the perception of Eastern Europe being a conservative society comes from the fact that the women are beautiful, feminine and have very good girl game. A lot of Eastern European women know that men from Western countries like them because of the perception that they are more “feminine” then Western girls, so they like to play up this facade of being traditional in order to scam Western men.

Southern European countries by contrast may seem to be more conservative then say Northern European countries, that’s because these countries tend to be more collectivist in nature while Northern European countries tend to be more individualistic by contrast. In a collectivist society family tends to take a higher priority. In Spain and Italy it is pretty much the norm for men and women to live in with their parents even in their late twenties. Meanwhile in most Northern European countries that is largely unheard of and inviduals still living with their parents pass a certain age are regarded as losers especially the men.

That’s probably why Southern European girls appear to be more “prudish” and have a lower notch count, they are often still living under the watchful eye of their parents so they probably can’t afford to take men home for a bang session. That doesn’t mean they are conservative though, Spain these days is probably more liberal then Sweden. Southern Italy does appear more conservative at the surface, but like most of Europe young people aren’t marrying or having children.

Now that I think about it Balkan Muslims imo are probably the most conservative and traditional group in Europe.

[Jungle]

The question: "Most trad area of Western Europe"

The most conservative areas of Western Europe are the areas with a large demographic of Muslims.

But perhaps the OP is asking "Most trad area of Western Europe... with native Europeans?"

In which case, the most conservative areas of Western Europe with native Europeans are the areas with a large demographic of Eastern Europeans.

But perhaps the OP is asking "Most trad area of Western Europe... with native Western Europeans?"

In which case, the most conservative areas of Western Europe with native Western Europeans is more often rural areas away from the large cities, within families that still follow religious practices. (This is increasingly becoming more rare with each passing day)

[Bikal]

I'd say rural Germany and Austria are quite traditional however it depends on what your idea of traditional is as you won't find a lot of women ready to stay home and be subservient to the man in Western Europe unfortunately.

I do question your polling, you have options for East Germany which is confusing due to Communist influence it became hell, Slovenia isn't Western but Central and Bavaria is a separate option although I'd actually say you should concentrate your search there, it's just funny to see it as a separate option.