[Beyond Borders]

Approve of the thread topic as can be vital for solid and fun bangs with little effort, but the thing is that if you're knowledgeable and a leader in bed you can bring out amazing levels of freak in girls who look anything but, and who are even very vanilla when you first get ahold of them.

This can sometimes take a great deal of time but if you're slowly but constantly pushing them to the edge of their comfort zone, it's amazing how few boundaries most women have over enough time and consistent guidance. And the shyest, quietest girl can gain impressive levels of enthusiasm once it's coaxed out of her. I believe I've even read somewhere that studies show outwardly reserved people to be kinkiest, though you'd have to research that yourself.

Humans are sexual by nature - go figure. Sexual enthusiasm is often inherent I'd imagine[/php] but it can also be a learned trait.

[The Grey]

(01-26-2019 08:24 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

(01-26-2019 07:20 AM)yang2287 Wrote:  

(01-26-2019 06:44 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

If you look at the bones at the base of her spine. If they are bony with a triangle showing - thats a good sign.

This i can confirm as well as Yoga, the two things i can say i am sure that a girl is good in bed

Feel around her waist line near the stomach, if you can feel the hip bone protuding, you have jack pot

If she mentions Yoga, just get ready to be amazed

I think of a sliding scale relating to quality of experience.
level 1 = jerking off as a kid.
level 3 = sex with a condom
level 3.5 or so = sex without condom
level 5 = sex with a girl who's good at tantra.

In other words, the quality difference between a tantric girl and normal sex, is like the difference between normal sex and jerking off. BIG.

Towards level 4 would probably be good sex when both are on certain drugs.
But thats not really my thing these days.

Best way to find tantra girls?

[fmman]

(01-26-2019 08:45 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

Approve of the thread topic as can be vital for solid and fun bangs with little effort, but the thing is that if you're knowledgeable and a leader in bed you can bring out amazing levels of freak in girls who look anything but, and who are even very vanilla when you first get ahold of them.

I'm rubbish with trying to make quiet shy girls more like a freak. I just default back to being naturally introverted as it rubs off on me. Its far more fun and easy with a girl who is a freak already, as you gain. What do you gain from the quiet girl?

[Beyond Borders]

^ They're not getting banged by everyone, for starters. They make great girlfriends and don't act like embarrassing whores in public. I think introverted people by nature are more inclined to deeper, more genuine connection, which can make for amazing sex but also great relationships on every other level.

My current girlfriend was a virgin when we hooked up. I'm more of the non-stop action, life of the party type, though, so maybe quieter, more reserved women just balance me out. I've always been attracted to them, personally. I tend to run amuck enough on my own and when I'm with a wild party girl it just encourages it, so it's also nice to have someone mellow me out a bit.

In any case, I've been with hundreds of girls but I usually end up in a serious relationship at one point or another, and that being my nature I guess I'd prefer not to be running around with the girl who is an obvious easy lay to every swinging dick that knows a thing or two and instead saves her freakiness for select guys (preferably only me lol) who manage to get it out of her. It's no guarantee of anything, sure, but that's the best I can do to analyze my attraction to them. It is what it is.

Another thing, I don't know what it is but there's just something extremely sexy to me about taking a girl to your room who acts like a mouse in front of everyone and seeing her transform into an insatiable sex fiend behind closed doors. To each his own I guess.

On the other hand, I dated this stripper when I was 19 or 20 and she acted like the biggest freak when we are at parties and obviously at work etc, doing outrageous things to fulfill some kind of porn star type image. The kind who'd walk around at the club on Halloween or new years with a little leather whip playfully spanking everyone on the ass. But you'd get her in bed and she'd just lay there like a log and hated oral, etc. Pure stunner and the most perfect tits I've ever seen but what a fucking disappointment.

I think some of them just act freaky for the attention and because they know it draws guys to them to do their bidding etc. Kind of like girls who aren't really bi making out at a party to get everyone looking. Needless to say that broad wasn't worth the pole she slid in on and is fat and living with a bunch of cats now last I heard.

[arafat scarf]

(01-20-2019 11:46 PM)april6e Wrote:  

1. The top 5 women you have slept with, based on your own standard of pure physical beauty, how many of them also ranked in the top 5 best sexual encounters you have had (in terms of just how good at sex they were)?

Little correlation. But the prettiest I had, a Colombian girl, cracks the top 5.

(01-20-2019 11:46 PM)april6e Wrote:  

2. In your experience, what external factors indicate that a woman will be well above average in bed, if there are any?

Piercing eye contact. Good dancer.

[Savonarola]

(01-21-2019 03:00 AM)aeroektar Wrote:  

I don't like to give women much control during sex, I'm more then happy to do 90% of the work, all she has to do is enjoy being fucked hard in the positions I want to fuck in, and keep me turned on and well stimulated when I take breaks. Other factors include a willingness and ability to give a good blowjob or get me off and make me happy however I want. If she's very animated, verbal, naturally submissive, can orgasm easily from penetration, those are great things in my book. Fantastic hygiene, smooth soft skin, smelling good, being well groomed are all a must.

If I see a girl and she has her hair done, her nails done, skin looks clear clean and smooth, moderate amount of makeup, not dressed like a slob, looks you in the eyes lustfully, walks in a way that gets your attention, maybe when she speaks she's slightly shy or awkward, those are all the signs for me that she's going to be a great sexual partner.

Another factor could be for instance that she perceives you as a 7-8 but you perceive her as a 6. Those girls will fuck you like they're trying to steal your soul.

^^Everything he said.^^
Perfectly stated. Especially the submissiveness. That determines at least 50% of the quality of the sex.
Newbs: Notice that cup size and height and clothing don't even rate a mention.

[Savonarola]

(01-26-2019 08:19 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

It can be a gasp or an "oooooohhhh" type noise. The "ooooohh" I think means "absolute sex bomb".
Numerous practices and religions talk about capturing and expanding sexual energy around the body, which I think is what this is indicative of. Its these women who are constantly "buzzing", like a controlled, "excited" state can be brilliant.

Exactly.

[fmman]

(01-26-2019 10:14 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

^ They're not getting banged by everyone, for starters. They make great girlfriends and don't act like embarrassing whores in public. I think introverted people by nature are more inclined to deeper, more genuine connection, which can make for amazing sex but also great relationships on every other level.

My current girlfriend was a virgin when we hooked up. I'm more of the non-stop action, life of the party type, though, so maybe quieter, more reserved women just balance me out. I've always been attracted to them, personally.

Yes each to their own. In my case I like to be able to be out with my gf knowing she has owned the room and probably all the other guys want her but shes coming home to fuck me. So shes the party girl and I'm the introvert. Actually she would bring me out of my shell I'm not quiet by any means but she would bring more of it out of me, and I would reign her in a bit.

An ex was a virgin when I met her. As a result the sex was ok but I never really had any idea how erotic and intense sex could be until I met the later girl. Introverts like to be with Extroverts and vice versa. If I meet an introvert girl, I can play the extrovert - that will do it for her I'm sure and she loves it, but who is doing it for me>? I can only take so much of a quiet girl

[Beyond Borders]

^ A girl can turn heads in ever room without having to act like a slut or attention-seeker, though. It's not an either/or dichotomy. All it takes is them being a gorgeous girl with some great curves and a pleasing personality, not having a slut vibe.

My woman is so shy she's generally clammed up even to the point of physically hiding her face when meeting strangers (Ah Asian women... lol), but men are still constantly drooling over her and approaching her anyways, inevitably staring at her hips and ass one by one as we walk by. Boys will be boys.

So while I can appreciate the taste of that kind of ego gratification, if other men desiring your woman is what you're after, I can't see how whether they're quiet or not makes much of a difference.

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Actually she would bring me out of my shell I'm not quiet by any means but she would bring more of it out of me, and I would reign her in a bit.

If she's your actual girl and not just a bang, and you refer to her as "the party girl" and describe yourself as the one who has to "reign her in a bit," well, I'm sorry to say that you may have some rude awakenings in your future, my friend. Not trying to put you on the spot. If it's just about the sex, by all means, enjoy. If not, be careful.

As for your last paragraph (ex girl was a virgin, but you didn't know how erotic women were until you met the new one)...I think you're kind of missing the point. My point is sex can be highly erotic with most girls if you just lead the way to high eroticism. After all, if she's only "ok" in bed and the only guys she's ever had to teach her is you, whose fault is it really?

Of course, if you only had a short relationship together, that makes sense, but my point is that judging by all the comments you've made about your dynamic with your girls, you don't sound like much of a leader in the relationship or in the bedroom. So it doesn't surprise a lot that you seem to have the inherent belief that introverted, quiet girls can't be highly erotic too.

Of course a virgin isn't going to be a total freak at first if you don't show her the ropes. This new girl, on the other hand, you have to ask yourself where did she learn her bedroom skills (unless you could care less, I suppose, how many guys she's been with)? Not trying to bag on you - my guess is just that you're probably quite a bit younger and less experienced than I am, and that's fine.

And as you said, you're a natural introvert. So fair enough if you like being around people who polarize you. I can understand it.

I'd still caution on glorifying these extroverted party girls in your head too much. I see introverted guys get burnt a lot by these kinds of broads for the exact same reason you're hanging out with them. They somehow feel they need to make up for their introversion (which is often they're greatest power), and make bad choices with women who they think will do that for them. But party girls will be party girls...

And even if you're telling yourself it's just a temporary thing, remember that the girls we tend to bang on a regular basis are often the girls we end up with eventually. Simple gravity.

So slippery sloping yourself into a relationship with a woman (whether this one or the next one) who's throwing out a dtf vibe to the whole room every time she goes out can lead you down various painful roads. If you have the presence to manage these girls and never get serious about them, by all means, have fun. But your descriptions of yourself don't really paint that picture, to be honest.

In any case, maybe you can take some of what you learn with her in bed and draw on those experiences later down the road. To create the sexual encounters that you want instead of letting the perceived sexual nature of whoever you're in bed with set the tone.

Just don't be fooled that you can't take what you learn from her and teach it to a woman who has more self-respect and poise in public. Because in a lot of cases you very well can.

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Its far more fun and easy with a girl who is a freak already, as you gain. What do you gain from the quiet girl?

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If I meet an introvert girl, I can play the extrovert - that will do it for her I'm sure and she loves it, but who is doing it for me>?

I think our general approach to women and life is very different. Why do you need anyone to do anything for you?

You shouldn't need a woman to entertain you, teach you, or make your life more exciting. She's the lucky one for having the opportunity to step into your life and learn and have fun with you. Doesn't that sound like better foundation to stand on as a man?

And even if you're introverted, well, own it and bring her into your world instead of the other way around. Stop feeling like you need to change that about yourself, or especially like you need some socially sharp woman to draw you out.

Bottom line - I don't have to "play" intorvert or extrovert for anyone. I'm the life of the party because that's who I am, and well, when it's quiet time and I need some alone time or a bit of silence to read a book, I calmly but firmly let the girl know. Not like a dick, unless she refuses to honor the simple request, but just like a man who expects a certain level of respect. And in bed I take what I want, even if it means a drawn-out teaching process at first.

She doesn't need to "do it for me" because I don't need anything done for me. You craft the world that makes you happy - a woman steps into it on your terms or she hits the road.

Where a quiet girl can be a drag, I guess, is if she doesn't even have the social presence to have a normal conversation with other people when you're out with friends and family. But I find most quiet girls blossom and come into their own personality under the umbrella of a confident, socially present man.

As introverts, they will need more time away from the crowd to regenerate, but it's not like they're hopeless socially unless they are really extreme. They just feel put off by shallow interactions with people who aren't really in their circle of trust yet.

None of this, though, determines what they can be capable of in the sack.

[fmman]

Thanks for the frank discussion. You have opened up my eyes a bit with that post. The 'new girl' in question is past history now anyway so no worry about what I end up with. You are correct about what was coming down the line though from the party girl because it already happened. She is now with an older guy who is a senior manager who has his shit together. But she was always trying to get me to change career to be a manager so I suppose she craved a man with power, even though I earnt as much as a manager in my job, it must have been a social status thing. He also deals in PR so from what I gather is extroverted like her but in a more serious and firm way. I think she respects him enough that she stopped her party ways and stays faithful.

Yes correct she did have more sexual experience than me. I'm not young anymore, 44. When you are not the life and soul of the party yourself, but she is, when I am not as confident as she is it is easy to let her take the lead with that and most things in the relationship. I was happy with it. I had probably too many years of it.

Sounds like I need a complete reset and evaluation of who I am and how I approach women and relationships regarding who is in charge and what you seek from it and what you offer the girl.

Though I am who I am and I have my own plan of where I want to be in my life in the short to long term. Women don't factor into it until I have moved again. I am not settled where I am and socially isolated here.

I take your point about how a quiet girl can say nothing at a party but just look good, see your point there. I did date a quiet girl once and she was stunning and I could see guys heads turning when I was out with her

[Polniy_Sostav]

I think that there is no way to know. I ve met only one who was above the rest in terms of enthousiasm/skills , and she looked quite ugly and didn't seem very talkative

[BelyyTigr]

(01-26-2019 08:47 AM)The Grey Wrote:  

(01-26-2019 08:24 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

(01-26-2019 07:20 AM)yang2287 Wrote:  

(01-26-2019 06:44 AM)BelyyTigr Wrote:  

If you look at the bones at the base of her spine. If they are bony with a triangle showing - thats a good sign.

This i can confirm as well as Yoga, the two things i can say i am sure that a girl is good in bed

Feel around her waist line near the stomach, if you can feel the hip bone protuding, you have jack pot

If she mentions Yoga, just get ready to be amazed

I think of a sliding scale relating to quality of experience.
level 1 = jerking off as a kid.
level 3 = sex with a condom
level 3.5 or so = sex without condom
level 5 = sex with a girl who's good at tantra.

In other words, the quality difference between a tantric girl and normal sex, is like the difference between normal sex and jerking off. BIG.

Towards level 4 would probably be good sex when both are on certain drugs.
But thats not really my thing these days.

Best way to find tantra girls?

Best way? I'd say "with caution".
They can come from various categories. Ranging from ugly middle aged fatsos(no I HAVEN'T sampled : D).
They might be yoga girls, "my body is a temple" types eg models. They might be students, educated professionals. Women's magazines like Cosmo etc seem to have loads of articles on it. They might be "ladies of leisure" with time spare/the inclination to add "another weapon to their arsenal". By that I mean gold diggers, trust fund bitches, boho chics, sugar babes, Russian "sponsorees" etc. They could be playeresses, or girls who are only turned on by relationships. Girls who are only into relationship sex might not even discuss tantra unless you are fucking them.

One caveat, tantric fucking can have a way of fucking with your mind. It can be a bit "hypnotic" as part of the theory is that you are merging energy with your partner. Think "soul gazing" multipled by 500. So if you get susceptible to Oneitis, be VERY careful.

[MaceTyrell]

(01-25-2019 04:03 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

(01-25-2019 07:31 AM)thinkingguy Wrote:  

All I need is for them to have a bangin' body and do what I tell them, anything else is irrelevant

I'd rather have a wank than a bang with a frigid starfish...

Or dare I say it, I'd rather be ridden rough and wild by a 7 than masterbate into an inactive 9.

I felt this.

[Psygnosis89]

I guess it depends on how you define 'fantastic at sex'. If porn style sex, the tramp stamp is a cliche for a reason. Notice how some broads with a lot of tats still avoid getting it there? Tramp stamp and hardly any tats anywhere else? Definitely nasty. If fantastic sex means passionate (but not necessarily degenerate) then lots of eye contact with a sparkle to the eyes.

[MaceTyrell]

(01-25-2019 08:39 AM)MaceTyrell Wrote:  

From my 32 notches, I've found the following:

If ass > tits, then good in bed
If tits > ass, then not good in bed

I'd like to update this with more data that confirms this.

My last notch legit has one of the best asses I've ever encountered. I came the first time we had sex, with the condom on. This seldom happens for me

[jokernot]

(01-20-2019 11:46 PM)april6e Wrote:  

1. The top 5 women you have slept with, based on your own standard of pure physical beauty, how many of them also ranked in the top 5 best sexual encounters you have had (in terms of just how good at sex they were)?

I had a couple of stunners but the quiet, plain and even dumpy ones were the ones who were slaves in bed.

(01-20-2019 11:46 PM)april6e Wrote:  

2. In your experience, what external factors indicate that a woman will be well above average in bed, if there are any?

Yeah, I remember watching a skinny, leggy chick wolfing down a sandwich and moaning in pleasure. I said to myself, bloddy hell, I need to nail that one. And did I ever. I ought to have had a fire extinguisher next to the bed and the rescue squad waiting outside over the next months. Damn you for reminding me!

[heavy]

3 simple words...

bud der face

She doesn't have to be ugly, but she needs to have a better body than her face.

Bigger tits help as well.

Ideal is in the 6-7 range. She's raised plenty of tents, but she's not hot enough to compete with top tiers.

Not high class.

[Danteschall]

#1 if she is an athlete especially if she was good enough to go to college on scholarship she will wreck you in bed
#2 Arguably the best indication is how she moves her body when she is dancing to music

[JackinMelbourne]

(01-26-2019 08:45 AM)Beyond Borders Wrote:  

Approve of the thread topic as can be vital for solid and fun bangs with little effort, but the thing is that if you're knowledgeable and a leader in bed you can bring out amazing levels of freak in girls who look anything but, and who are even very vanilla when you first get ahold of them.

This can sometimes take a great deal of time but if you're slowly but constantly pushing them to the edge of their comfort zone, it's amazing how few boundaries most women have over enough time and consistent guidance. And the shyest, quietest girl can gain impressive levels of enthusiasm once it's coaxed out of her. I believe I've even read somewhere that studies show outwardly reserved people to be kinkiest, though you'd have to research that yourself.

Humans are sexual by nature - go figure. Sexual enthusiasm is often inherent I'd imagine[/php] but it can also be a learned trait.

This is 100%. Like I said previously, you train them up, that's how you know they'll be great

[PixelFree]

To answer the OP's questions:

1. No strong correlation here, however the more animalistic lust you have for a women (enhanced by their attractiveness) the more she opens up to you, the better the sex can be.

2. The way they dance. i.e. if they dance freely, and move their body and hips in a sexy way.

[rebelcounty2016]

(01-22-2019 06:25 AM)Nord619 Wrote:  

Horse girls.

You know them women who base their whole identity around that 1000 pound beast? Normally upper middle class, daddy didn't pay any attention to her growing up instead just threw money at her? Those girls control 12ft beast with them thighs and ass. Oh dear, boys, if you ever get the chance never say no. She will shag you into a parallel universe. Her threshold for punishment is astonishing. If you shag her just after she's being riding then her pussy has the right amount of stank. Every horse girl I've known has been bat shit crazy. Thats another great way to tell if she's good.

From my experience this doesn't work out. They are just pampered and expect everything to be a fairytale. I was with one and while she was hot she was useless in the sack. I can attest to them having daddy issues but a low threshold for pain. Most of the girls i saw around horses start to get a really manly upper body and it is a huge turn off for me personally. I found any girl who loves dancing or does dancing for a living tends to be good in the sack. Ballet dancers especially, they are forced to get to know their bodies.