[Geirr]

And I have no bloody idea how to work this.

I am at best an okay dancer though I do really enjoy it, and I'l be doing salsa once college comes back. Anyway, what the hell do you do if you're dancing with someone hot, you've both got your groove on, you're close, twirling her arond, hands on waist and or hips?

I mean, wtf? It seems like it should lead such good places and it so rarely does.

[duncanidaho]

(08-27-2008 08:08 AM)Geirr Wrote:  

I mean, wtf? It seems like it should lead such good places and it so rarely does.

A lot of women are simply testing the guys they're dancing with, and when most guys feel a pelvis grinding on their groin they think they've got a sure thing when often times they've failed the test and the guys are left with disappointment. Continue working on your game so you'll know if a woman grinding on you is wanting more, or just playing around to see if she can illicit a reaction from you.

[JoeBmore]

For months. When I danced with a girl. If she turned around for me to grind on her. She would stop the dance, and give me some BS excuse to stop.

I've tried many different techniques. Hard/soft. It didn't make a difference. I would watch other guys, and they would be grinding song after song. I sort of got a complex with it, and starting not grinding on women.

My brother told me that maybe I was giving off the desperate vibe. IDK.

[broken]

(08-27-2008 08:08 AM)Geirr Wrote:  

And I have no bloody idea how to work this.

I am at best an okay dancer though I do really enjoy it, and I'l be doing salsa once college comes back. Anyway, what the hell do you do if you're dancing with someone hot, you've both got your groove on, you're close, twirling her arond, hands on waist and or hips?

I mean, wtf? It seems like it should lead such good places and it so rarely does.

It's not a silver bullet. It helps attraction, but in and of itself, it's not a deal closer. You still need game.

[duncanidaho]

(08-27-2008 01:18 PM)JoeBmore Wrote:  

For months. When I danced with a girl. If she turned around for me to grind on her. She would stop the dance, and give me some BS excuse to stop.

I've tried many different techniques. Hard/soft. It didn't make a difference. I would watch other guys, and they would be grinding song after song. I sort of got a complex with it, and starting not grinding on women.

My brother told me that maybe I was giving off the desperate vibe. IDK.

Ever try dancing with a different girl?
It's funny but you're brother could be spot on, whenever guys are a bit desperate women pick up on it like sharks to blood. If you're dancing with the same girl who won't let you grind on her, the next time she turns her back to you just walk away, then find someone else to dance with.

PS - I'm totally diggin the Champimple.

[speakeasy]

Real dancing is dead. I don't consider grinding your dick on a girl's ass to be dancing...unless you're Jamaican where they've worked it into a true artform. But for most of the meat market clubs in America, grinding is not dancing. It's just looks stupid. I'd rather do some real dancing like salsa. I think the most impressive man is one who learns to dance sensually. Who knows how to leave something to the imagination, instead of humping her leg on the dance floor like a horny teenager getting it on for the first time.

[Roosh]

Watch other guys that seem like they know what they are doing and copy their moves. That's how I learned.

[duncanidaho]

I've found if I act a little indifferent when she's doing something provocative on the dance floor it gets them to initiate the bumping action.

[Geirr]

(08-27-2008 10:31 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Watch other guys that seem like they know what they are doing and copy their moves. That's how I learned.

Ah, bliss, an unblocked internet connection!

Seriously, what I was trying to ask, and obviously failing was less about dancing and more about laying her, or at least getting some tongue, particularly since I've gotten <i>somewhere</i> already.

This collapse to "Try it on" doesn't it?

[zorgon]

Well, is it just plain old attention-whoring? There are plenty of women who will dance with just about anyone, and then all of the sudden "have to go find their friends" or "have to go to the bathroom" or whatever and then disappear.

There's also the type who won't disappear on you, but will back away any time you try to make a move physically.

If a girl isn't into you, you just gotta cut your losses and find another one who is. Experience tells me that dancing + interest -> guaranteed makeout and/or phone #. Sometimes they really *do* have to leave for some reason, although I find that if they're interested and really do have to leave you basically don't even have to ask for the #, they'll just give it to you or give you a far-from-subtle hint like "we should hang out sometime" or "you should get my #."

[zorgon]

(08-27-2008 03:50 PM)speakeasy Wrote:  

Real dancing is dead. I don't consider grinding your dick on a girl's ass to be dancing...unless you're Jamaican where they've worked it into a true artform. But for most of the meat market clubs in America, grinding is not dancing. It's just looks stupid. I'd rather do some real dancing like salsa.

Bah, what are we, civilized?

I don't know who came up with the idea that "dancing" (in theory I agree with you, it's not really dancing in any real sense) should consist of simulated sex on the dance floor, but whoever it was... I'm not complaining.

Same as I don't consider the hip-hop they play at those clubs to be real music. More like a soundtrack for your pimping (not that there's anything wrong with that!). I want real music, I can listen to Mozart. In the meantime... just pick out your favorite pimping theme song and go with it!

[thegmanifesto]

(08-27-2008 08:08 AM)Geirr Wrote:  

And I have no bloody idea how to work this.

I am at best an okay dancer though I do really enjoy it, and I'l be doing salsa once college comes back. Anyway, what the hell do you do if you're dancing with someone hot, you've both got your groove on, you're close, twirling her arond, hands on waist and or hips?

I mean, wtf? It seems like it should lead such good places and it so rarely does.

Watch this video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVrWDPi12zE

And practice these moves.

If you get these down, you should be able to swoop any girl.


- MPM
The Guide to Getting More out of Life
http://www.thegmanifesto.com

[Trotter]

(08-30-2008 03:16 PM)Geirr Wrote:  

(08-27-2008 10:31 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

Watch other guys that seem like they know what they are doing and copy their moves. That's how I learned.

Ah, bliss, an unblocked internet connection!

Seriously, what I was trying to ask, and obviously failing was less about dancing and more about laying her, or at least getting some tongue, particularly since I've gotten <i>somewhere</i> already.

This collapse to "Try it on" doesn't it?

My opinion is that most women don't want random men grinding on their asses uninvited. It mostly depends on what type of venue you're at, but I think the biggest mistake most guys make is thinking rubbing their unwanted crotch into a chick's ass or mid section is going to be met with favourable results.

What I used to do and this was something I observed from watching this one guy is to just go out into the dance floor and dance my way through the crowd. I see a chick I like I work my way over to her for about 3 seconds then moved on. I don't pelvic grind them, I don't sit there and try to monopolize their time, I just dance for a few seconds then move on. I've gotten mixed results from this, but one thing I've never gotten was disgust or outright rejection.

Sometimes as I start to move on the chick would reach out and pull me back in which is an invitiation. Or I'll move on (ignoring her) hand she'll work her way back to me or give me a look from half-way across the floor letting me know she wants me back over by her. The last time I did this in Tennessee I ended up being sandwiched by three chicks and one of them just grabbed me by the arm to pull me away from the other two.

Once I get the one-on-one I try to escalate with hand on the hip or around the waist. Or doing something goofy like making the hour glass shape with my hands as an excuse to lay my hands where ever I want. I'll even direct her around a little bit like a puppet by grabbing her hips and steering her to one side or the other. This is where it gets dicey. You can either walk away with a prize or crash and burn.

The thing I try to do is isolate away from the dance floor which is tricky. When the moment is right like the end of a song, after enough dancing, or if it just feels like the right time I just grab her hand and lead her off the dance floor, or I'll whisper some things into her ear telling her that we need to go to some other part of the place. Or I might say I need to grab a drink and just take her by the hand. A couple of times I've managed to steer the chick to the edge of the dance floor sort of already getting her positioned to step off.

Some chicks are there just to dance and love the attention they get (attention whores). Others probably just aren't interested because it's difficult gaming with dance only. I've had chicks shake their heads "no" at me when I try to lead them out which was fine. Some just pulled on me to stay on the dance floor which is a pretty decent sign that all she wants to do is dance and probably feels comfortable with me. That in itself is not a bad thing since my value is going up if other chicks are watching. I've even had chicks push me back when it looked like I was trying to get too familiar with them. I've managed to pull a few chicks by trying different things like that.