Quote: (01-10-2019 02:06 PM)zigZag Wrote:
Korean emigration 8 million
Polish Emigration 22 million
Jesus fucking christ this thread.
This data IS NOT on Polish emigration. It's Polish diaspora.
Look up how population of Poland has changed past 20 years or so -- not significantly.
You can do it by googling: "poland population X", where X stands for year.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_diaspora
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_diaspora -- now look at German 'diaspora'. Looks like most of the current population of Germany has already emigrated. Not necessarily true, is it?
And if you want a direct comparison with Western country. 10-15 years ago Polish people were amazed on how great life in England was. Comparing London to Warsaw 30-40 years ago was like comparing a Papua New Guinea to a fucking New York City.
Now? Visting UK lately I can tell you that:
a) Polish 'NHS' is more efficient and way more thorough (still sucks)
b) Paperwork is quicker (still fucking slow and equally bothersome)
c) You feel 10 times more safe in Poland
Downsides to Poland?
Your money means shit if you want to take it abroad. Rising prices vs stagnant rates do not help either. Despite some saying Poland is going throughout the economy boom, the comfort of living past few years have not improved by much. Just look at the data on how much the minimum wage has increased vs how much the costs of living has increased. The plus is the country is attracting more and more Western companies, and this trend will only get stronger.
For comparison, I can live on 'Buy 1 Get 1 Free' in Tesco in the UK equally cheap as I can on deals in Poland. German Lidl also has comparable prices, if not lower in some cases.
Still, it's nowhere a Mexico level. Both Hungary and Czech Republic represent similar cost of living, prices, and opportunities (taking into consideration much smaller population of these countries) as Poland.
Come, and visit, but don't bash it right away without stepping a foot in the country or getting familar with situation in Europe.
If you opened the gates to the US and allowed free migration from Mexico, you could quickly change the name of your country to Estados Unidos de Mexico. While in Europe, despite free movement within the EU, population of Poland has not changed drastically.
Also -- kill for a working VISA in the US? Why would anyone in Poland want do that when they have whole European Union open? Sure, I, personally, would love to live in the US for a bit -- taste the culture, expand my network, and have fun for the most part. But you can pretty much get the same money in WE, so for most people it's actually trying out the 'unknown/different' rather than typical labor migration.
For the reference -- I'm a self-employed student on low-end Western income in Poland, and I don't plan to live here any longer than it's in line with my goals. So despite my 'defender' stance, I definitely do not have that much love for this country. But, I can't allow constant spreading of false information, especially in
the only online community that I actually value.
Poland among younger population is as Western as it gets, and I can see it on daily basis. Horrible attitudes for girls <20 and younger. Slightly better for 20-25.
Economically -- still far away. What Poland needs is a venture capital, and people/companies that will take more risk. They are not necessarily bad in inventing things and coming up with new solutions, but it's all getting sold to Western countries. Lack of balls in terms of taking risk and having the opportunities to do that is a big problem that will keep our economy stagnant. In Germany for example, the minority providing most scientific patents are Poles. The number of patent-worthy projects in Poland is quite high too, but when it comes to actually patenting the stuff... the number is extremely low.
The comfort of living alone is comparable with Western European countries. For example, if I were to give UK a 8, Poland deserves a solid 6. And thats from perspective of the young, and money and carrer-oriented guy. If I wanted to rise a family, I'm sure it would be the other way around.
As for the IQ measurements -- I'm not a fan of them for the most part. Seems like every single ranking can be entirely different from each other. I rather rely on data instead. And data on education in Poland looks good -- EU average+ at least, which I have mentioned in the last post.
Current education system is still (unfortunately) based on the one communists introduced back in the days. Meaning, loads of stuff you won't ever need in real life (and this time -- really too much), with very little practice classess that would be more beneficial for the development of a young kid. Learn, learn, learn, and forget right away after the test. Stupid and impractical waste of resources.
That said, following this system people turn out to be pretty much educated. As long as I consider it a waste of time and resources, you can't deny the fact that public education for kids in Poland in this regard is actually top-notch. Literally every kid has some education, and for the most part -- possesses strong knowledge about the world. For example, when I had a chance to go UK public school, I was in an intermediate reading classess and best maths classess without knowing the language at all!! It was only fun for those kids -- playing soccer, doing stupid shit or singing. I come back to Poland year after and I'm actually threatened that I may not make it to another class and they force you to study for a couple hours a day. Worlds-apart difference. Although, the UK public education is horrible, so that's another issue. From what a German friend told me, their schools look much closer to Poland in this regard, but still Poland puts way too much stress on the kids, and from the early age forces them too learn too much of impractical shit.
You can't deny the fact that Polish people are for the most part well-educated. As I said earlier in my short post, universities are a different 'beast', although they work in a similar manner. You still learn tons of shit you don't need, while having very little time to focus on what you will actually need, but -- university is a time when focusing on WHAT YOU NEED is actually way more important than in school. And that's the biggest downside. You get good in tests, actually, you get very good in tests, but you don't have enough practical knowledge and life experience to do well in your future job. You don't acquire the needed skillset. I know it's common for all unis -- that's how they usually work, but it's a problem on much bigger scale in Poland than in other countries.
For further info on migration from Poland after joining EU you can check the link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Migrations..._accession
The graph on the right shows numbers in thousands by the way. There is more Ukrainians in Poland at the moment than that, and the only ones that seem to be the most affected are students having a harder time to find part-time jobs, and low-level workers.
Though the current governing party is fucking its citizens in the ass too by taking not only a big number of Ukrainians, but also inviting the SEA workers. Still better than what West is doing.
Still, its clear that the last problem of England or any other western country is SURPLUS OF POLAKS taking their jobs and making the rates stagnant. People still thinking this way should follow the thread almost single-handendly lead by
Simeon_Strangelight in Politics section, and thoroughly re-examine their priorities.
Lastly, this post, together with those above, should be moved to the Poland thread. Five girls died after all, so that's not the most appropriate place to make jokes and introduce political, economic, and IQ topics.
