[Baptistao]

(01-08-2019 04:36 AM)PetiteMinded Wrote:  

No way man. Stick with your own. Read up on the Kalergi plan

I'm familiar with the Kalergi plan. My question was rhetorical actually. To my mind, it's paradox that people in the forum on one side want to preserve the Western civilization and race, while on the other side many mix with e.g Latin or Asian women. My point is that not having kids at all may be the same bad thing for the Western civilisation as mixing with other races.

[Caduceus]

(01-08-2019 02:04 AM)etwsake Wrote:  

What about guys that can't have kids? I'm talking about sterility. Personally, I've never been tested and I also know I've never got a chick pregnant. (I've banged girls without a condom but I'm really really good about pulling out.) Does that mean my pull-out method is perfect? I thought there was no such thing. Maybe I'm shooting blanks.

You are most likely NOT sterile.
Precum alone can't get a girl pregnant.

[Pride male]

Until I meet the right woman I am staying child free. Nothing as bad as being yoked eternally with a Jezebel.

[Barron]

(01-08-2019 05:23 AM)Pride male Wrote:  

Until I meet the right woman I am staying child free. Nothing as bad as being yoked eternally with a Jezebel.

Careful, thinking about women in these terms often leads to unpredictable outcomes.

[CJ_W]

To op:

If you want to make your OWN decisions, do it.

_but it seems to me that you are REALLY insecure about it, as you've been posting this shit all over the forums about how you're child free, its as if you feel that its inherently wrong to do so and you want to convince others to do it with you so that you can feel better about yourself.

STOP.

Are you a man? Or not? Men decide and take responsibility for their actions, Men dont waver and try to get other men to take up a cause that they themselves aren't solid in, or a cause that really isnt that important.

So you dont want to have kids (now). Ok, thats on you, but stop trying to sell people on your life (or anti life) choices.

Also, you've been violating the three rules of selling. You are having the opposite effect. This is not good for your "cause"

Stop.

[flyinghorse]

(01-08-2019 02:04 AM)etwsake Wrote:  

Being single in my 40s, I've already more or less accepted that I'll never be a father, regardless of my potential sterility, and I have to say, it's a terrible feeling. Yes, kids sucks. They're loud as hell, rude, messy, all that. But they're also the whole reason we're here. When I see a young couple with a baby it makes me almost or more jealous than I when I see a guy with an amazingly hot girl on his arm. Knowing we only get one shot at life, and I essentially squandered mine....it's pretty devastating.

They're the reason we're here?

Where can you support this assertion?

Do you mean this in terms of religion or biology or philosophy?

[PetiteMinded]

(01-08-2019 10:11 AM)flyinghorse Wrote:  

(01-08-2019 02:04 AM)etwsake Wrote:  

Being single in my 40s, I've already more or less accepted that I'll never be a father, regardless of my potential sterility, and I have to say, it's a terrible feeling. Yes, kids sucks. They're loud as hell, rude, messy, all that. But they're also the whole reason we're here. When I see a young couple with a baby it makes me almost or more jealous than I when I see a guy with an amazingly hot girl on his arm. Knowing we only get one shot at life, and I essentially squandered mine....it's pretty devastating.

They're the reason we're here?

Where can you support this assertion?

Do you mean this in terms of religion or biology or philosophy?

You never were a kid?

[MikeS]

(01-08-2019 04:50 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

...

While I understand that some men cannot find a good enough woman for themselves , I am often wondering what are the lifelong bachelors doing with their lives.
What do you do when you are 30+ without kids and without wife ? It must be a horrible burden to have a binary life - work & fuck and all this without long-term perspective. I personally don't see what a man can do if he has no kids at a certain age , apart from being the perfect slave of capitalism & the personification of an egotistic life-style...

This is the strange disconnect I feel when discussing or hearing this topic discussed between those of you who have children and those of us who do not. We struggle to understand each other's perspectives and experiences.
Even now in my early 40s and certainly still considering the possibility of having children, some of the statements from fathers (paraphrasing) - "my life was empty before them", "my children are marvelous", "they are a gift from God", "you don't know what life is about until you have children" etc. - sound to me a bit like someone who just found religious fanaticism, or a bag of ecstasy pills or LSD. Hard to really appreciate and connect with from my childless perspective, even though I know you're obviously sincere in your feelings.

Meanwhile it seems like some of the happy fathers struggle to see how every childless man over a certain age (say 35 or so) isn't frequently overwhelmed by feelings of sadness and emptiness and must surely be thoroughly fed up by using our plentiful free time to still do a lot of the same things (but for me personally certainly not all of them, and some new replacements instead) we enjoyed when we were younger.
In fact I would say that I have enjoyed life more and had more great experiences - travel, relationships of short to medium length, sex, major relocation, career changes, new hobbies - since my early 30s than I did through much of my 20s. From my perspective children would surely have gotten in the way of some of those things. Essentially my life would have been very different. Hard for me to say if it would have been appreciably better, though fathers would obviously claim so.

[flyinghorse]

(01-08-2019 10:27 AM)MikeS Wrote:  

(01-08-2019 04:50 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

...

While I understand that some men cannot find a good enough woman for themselves , I am often wondering what are the lifelong bachelors doing with their lives.
What do you do when you are 30+ without kids and without wife ? It must be a horrible burden to have a binary life - work & fuck and all this without long-term perspective. I personally don't see what a man can do if he has no kids at a certain age , apart from being the perfect slave of capitalism & the personification of an egotistic life-style...

This is the strange disconnect I feel when discussing or hearing this topic discussed between those of you who have children and those of us who do not. We struggle to understand each other's perspectives and experiences.
Even now in my early 40s and certainly still considering the possibility of having children, some of the statements from fathers (paraphrasing) - "my life was empty before them", "my children are marvelous", "they are a gift from God", "you don't know what life is about until you have children" etc. - sound to me a bit like someone who just found religious fanaticism, or a bag of ecstasy pills or LSD. Hard to really appreciate and connect with from my childless perspective, even though I know you're obviously sincere in your feelings.

Meanwhile it seems like some of the happy fathers struggle to see how every childless man over a certain age (say 35 or so) isn't frequently overwhelmed by feelings of sadness and emptiness and must surely be thoroughly fed up by using our plentiful free time to still do a lot of the same things (but for me personally certainly not all of them, and some new replacements instead) we enjoyed when we were younger.
In fact I would say that I have enjoyed life more and had more great experiences - travel, relationships of short to medium length, sex, major relocation, career changes, new hobbies - since my early 30s than I did through much of my 20s. From my perspective children would surely have gotten in the way of some of those things. Essentially my life would have been very different. Hard for me to say if it would have been appreciably better, though fathers would obviously claim so.

I think we have to take them for their word that they actually do enjoy having kids. Same as the ones who end up severely regretting having kids.

I'm the same as you in terms of having lived well over the years and flourishing over the past few years because I didn't have kids (was able to live in a few different countries and meet a ton of interesting people and banged my way through town)

Who knows though - maybe we will get bored of the travelling and the care free life by the time we get to 40.

[Oberrheiner]

(01-08-2019 02:04 AM)etwsake Wrote:  

Being single in my 40s, I've already more or less accepted that I'll never be a father, regardless of my potential sterility, and I have to say, it's a terrible feeling.

A good friend of mine just had his first kid at 44, his wife is 24.
Not a problem at all, it works.

Get tested for fertility before going into depression

(01-07-2019 08:24 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  

Don’t understand why people wrap up their identities in biological molecules. also don’t understand why think children = immortality. dna is literally just atoms.

sure, intelligence is inherited but hey, it's just tiny electrical discharges in a ball of fat anyway

(01-07-2019 08:24 PM)BasketBounce Wrote:  

I will never bang enough girls

You're not trying hard enough.
When you're really successful at this at some point the new pussy becomes almost disgusting.

[Cadders]

Nothing I have ever done - professionally, personally, spiritually - nothing, has tested me as much as fatherhood.

For ultimately, everything else you do, intentionally or not, is done in service to fatherhood. Everything you have, everything you are, everything you've ever done and everything you are yet to be, will, in some way, be brought into the service of that role.

In itself, this is neither good nor bad. I have had some of my darkest lows and soaring highs as a father. And that's without (so far!) having to deal with the demon of divorce. But Damn - that feeling when you launch a competent, capable, moral young person into the world and watch them start to make their way in it is indescribable.

The point of life is not career, or money, or status, or notch counts. It's not even children. It is simply to love.

There are many ways to love, but for most men, children are the purest downstream manifestation of it. The true cost of childlessness is to never experience this kind of love. You pays your money and makes your choice.

[No More Mr. Soy Boy]

My view is that most people should not have kids, definitely not. The average person today is an NPC and should not pass on their genetics since it does nothing good for humanity.

Ironically though, the most stupid people on earth tend to be the ones who breed the most.

And that is why I think there is a moral obligation by genetically superior guys with high IQ to have kids nowadays.
The future of humanity relies on the types of men that are on this board. If only SJWs, muslims, liberals and freaks have kids, what is left then?

And sure, raising a family with ONE good woman might the best fit for some high value men with high IQs.

But the best thing someone like me could do is actually to spread the seed over as many beautiful women as possible and pass on great genetics to kids and let betas raise them. If the future of humanity counts on you to impregnate many hot chicks, why would you be selfish and not do it?

[SamuelBRoberts]

(01-08-2019 11:31 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

And sure, raising a family with ONE good woman might the best fit for some high value men with high IQs.

But the best thing someone like me could do is actually to spread the seed over as many beautiful women as possible and pass on great genetics to kids and let betas raise them. If the future of humanity counts on you to impregnate many hot chicks, why would you be selfish and not do it?

... Do you have kids?

[PetiteMinded]

Interesting that you think beta's make good dads

[Dalaran1991]

The premise of this thread makes me chuckle.

This is exactly the same as women believing they can ride the carousel unitl 40s and not regret it later.

The wall comes for all, they may come later for men but they will still come. When you are 40s-50s and instead of raising a strong, healthy family with a great woman who adores you and children who look up to you, you find you are still trying to impress some 18 years old sluts who are way too stupid to even appreciate a good glass of wine.

But that's all too difficult because "where have all the good women gone/society makes it impossible for us/you are likely to get divorce raped and still lonely". When the fact is we are all typing away from a high end computer in a heated room while my parents had to survive the war and the communist regime, often scraping by by eating insects and roots, risk having their children taken from them at any moment. And still managed to raise my sister and me as well as grand kids.

Hell naw niggas, my parents didn't go through all this shit for me to do dumb shit like cutting off the future generations like that. My sister and I were the best thing that happened to my parents and no bullshit government or decadent society will rob me of the same thing. It takes work and patience to found a family but Im sure as hell putting in the effort.

Just my 2c though, never mind. People should do whatever the hell they feel like. Nobody will be there to judge them, congratulate them or gloat when the party is over and the lights are off. In the end, you reproducing or not is so insignifcant a thing, it's ridiculous to think that it would affect society/humanity in any tangible way. I just know that when the lights are off, I'll be with my family.

[No More Mr. Soy Boy]

(01-08-2019 11:42 AM)SamuelBRoberts Wrote:  

... Do you have kids?

Not that I know of yet.

[hedonist]

(01-07-2019 09:21 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

A few guys have remarked I seem like I'd be a good father. This even came from a couple of dudes with kids. I wonder.....

I partly think about it because I've gotten the same, I notice at parties or in public kids always seem to respond to me.
I've only ever dated one woman with kids but both of them loved me...I think its partly because I'm a big kid myself.

(01-08-2019 11:31 AM)No More Mr. Soy Boy Wrote:  

But the best thing someone like me could do is actually to spread the seed over as many beautiful women as possible and pass on great genetics to kids and let betas raise them.

So how does another man raising them help?

Question to whoever got into the "game" from a bad relationship .....do you find that is a big reason you embraced the single lifestyle and avoided family etc?

[Laner]

(01-08-2019 04:19 AM)Polniy_Sostav Wrote:  

(01-08-2019 01:04 AM)Laner Wrote:  

Not sure I should chime in here as I have kids. But, until 5 years ago I was pretty on board with the Child Free life.

In hindsight, those five year previous I had been deceiving myself. I banged a bunch of women, traveled the world - often to bang women, worked out like a fiend, ate meat and veggies every day, hung out at fancy bars and high end restaurants. It seemed like I was living the life. And I was, I look back at 2013 Laner and think of how cool I was and how much pussy I had. But the truth is, I would still trade that without hesitation to have started fatherhood earlier, to have blasted a couple more babies in while I had the chance.

My close friends are mostly childfree, and their lives still revolve around fancy meals, expensive booze and cool new hobbies. But one thing that is starting to happen as we hit 40 is the rich food gives them heartburn, booze leads to blow, and travel is a painful grind through shitty international hubs and an over population of budget travelers.

Have you ever thought about travelling with your wife could give you fantastic memories ?

We have done a lot of traveling together, and also as a family. We decided recently to spend more time on road trips and camping than on overseas travel. Its mostly to do with what our family gets out of road trips vs plane. Our son explodes with confidence being able to swim in mountain rivers, help gather fire wood, set up tents and understand nature. Also, the other families we meet out there are solid, and we end up having better vacation friendships because of this.

[Brother Abdul Majeed]

I have 5 children, 3 girls and 2 boys, ranging in age from 25 to 4 years old. My sixth is on the way. I don't care whether it's going to be a girl or a boy. I think 7 will be a great number to stop at.

[moneyshot]

Put me in "can't imagine leaving this Earth without continuing the genetic line" camp.

[SamuelBRoberts]

Having a kid seems like normal life, except if you fuck up, a kid dies.

Seems chancy as all hell.

[flyinghorse]

(01-08-2019 12:37 PM)Brother Abdul Majeed Wrote:  

I have 5 children, 3 girls and 2 boys, ranging in age from 25 to 4 years old. My sixth is on the way. I don't care whether it's going to be a girl or a boy. I think 7 will be a great number to stop at.

Same woman?

[BlastbeatCasanova]

Such a tough call, a subject I’ve mulled over a lot lately. I’m not in a stage or place to have kids but I find myself maturing past the drinking, drugging, and dicking off that has been a decent part of my youth. Nothing too crazy, the standard stuff that young people do but now I find myself having a general disdain for most brainwashed people and all the bullshit of modern society. Something about having a small version of yourself to teach and raise sounds appealing but I’m so selfish and moody with my time and energy that I’m not sure.

I agree with statement that most of the general population shouldn’t reproduce. Natural selection has been made obsolete by modern science and advancements and there’s no telling how many of society’s ills and mental/physical problems (mental illness, soy-boys, etc) are the cause of it. Not to mention the population problem.

On the flip side, objectively looking at my parents, extended family, and myself, it would probably do the world good for me to have some kids. I understand how arrogant this sounds, I feel ridiculous for typing it but I stand by it. People with good genetics should reproduce. Not to take away the effects of “nurture” in the nature vs. nurture argument, but I digress.

Also @Batistao, I understand the struggle of “to race-mix or not.” I’m white, and a lot of white girls I’ve banged suck. A lot of white chicks in general just flat out suck anyway. The most wifable/mom-potential chick I’ve been with was Colombian. But my ancestors kept it in the white race gene pool, I don’t know if it would be spitting in the face of the bloodline to deviate from that. At the end of the day this is all mental masturbation and as humans, we are essentially self-replicating machines and our purpose is to create a copy of ourselves, ie reproduce.

[Waqqle]

Along the lines of what BortimusPrime said:

My grandma put my dad in an orphanage when he was a kid because she was born def and went blind when she was 40 so he put her in a nursing home when she was old (her sisters all had the same condition but never sent their kids away and I don't think my dad ever fully forgave her for it). I was with my dad and uncle when we drove her to the nursing home where she lived for over a decade. In all those years, every time I or anyone else went to visit her, she said the same thing (via American Sign Language): "Why hasn't God killed me yet. I keep asking God to kill me but he won't do it." Eventually, in her late 80s, she just stopped eating or trying to continue and she was dead within about a week after that.

A close relative of mine works in the nursing home business as an HR manager for one of the big regional companies so she claims that it isn't so bad but, frankly, there is a big difference between being around your family and offspring, imparting your wisdom, etc. and being locked in God's waiting room to be forgotten by all of the people who were supposed to care about you. It's not just about being physically kept alive but also about the quality and content of that life. That's why years in solitary confinement is thought of as cruel and unusual but execution is more often seen as just being a normal punishment for certain behavior.

If you do have kids, make sure that you actually raise them so they treat you well and make sure that, if you do get old, you never let yourself be put in a nursing home, even if that means signing on to the Smith and Wesson Retirement Plan. My Dad told me once that he has an agreement with one of his friends (whom he will not name) that if he ever gets decrepit to the point that he needs round the clock care, said friend will take my dad out on a boat in a swamp and release him into the next world. I don't know if he was just flexing or if this arrangement is still running but, if it is, I respect it. I also wrote a living will myself back when I joined the army forbidding anyone from putting me on life support and ordering anyone with authority to pull the plug as soon as it starts looking like artificial life support and round the clock care might need to be permanent.

Screw nursing homes and screw this "modern family" nonsense. If you're going to take a shot at having a family, all power and fortune to you because it is a noble thing to do but I encourage you to do it right or reconsider and do your best to stay as healthy as you can for as long as you can so you never become vulnerable to being discarded. If you can avoid it, don't try having a family in the US or Canada. One way or another, kids are raised by villages. What tends to happen when the village sucks? For the sake of yourself and your kids, I recommend doing it in some other country that still has a soul if you can and raising them to value and protect that culture from the maladies and saboteurs that have compromised the US and Canada. I also recommend that you have kids with a girl who is down with rigid traditional gender roles so that the process of raising kids is as smooth and sane as possible. Most of the "screaming kids, toys on the floor, etc." is because mom is a "career woman" and there is no clear division of responsibility within the household or any help from extended family or other members of the community.

This is of course all assuming that you do not get divorced and are allowed to remain a significant part of your children's' lives. Again, do it outside of the US and Canada if you can. Having kids is a good thing to do but it is wise to consider carefully where and with whom you are doing it so as to maximize your odds of success.

[flyinghorse]

(01-08-2019 03:28 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

Along the lines of what BortimusPrime said:

My grandma put my dad in an orphanage when he was a kid because she was born def and went blind when she was 40 so he put her in a nursing home when she was old (her sisters all had the same condition but never sent their kids away and I don't think my dad ever fully forgave her for it). I was with my dad and uncle when we drove her to the nursing home where she lived for over a decade. In all those years, every time I or anyone else went to visit her, she said the same thing (via American Sign Language): "Why hasn't God killed me yet. I keep asking God to kill me but he won't do it." Eventually, in her late 80s, she just stopped eating or trying to continue and she was dead within about a week after that.

A close relative of mine works in the nursing home business as an HR manager for one of the big regional companies so she claims that it isn't so bad but, frankly, there is a big difference between being around your family and offspring, imparting your wisdom, etc. and being locked in God's waiting room to be forgotten by all of the people who were supposed to care about you. It's not just about being physically kept alive but also about the quality and content of that life. That's why years in solitary confinement is thought of as cruel and unusual but execution is more often seen as just being a normal punishment for certain behavior.

If you do have kids, make sure that you actually raise them so they treat you well and make sure that, if you do get old, you never let yourself be put in a nursing home, even if that means signing on to the Smith and Wesson Retirement Plan. My Dad told me once that he has an agreement with one of his friends (whom he will not name) that if he ever gets decrepit to the point that he needs round the clock care, said friend will take my dad out on a boat in a swamp and release him into the next world. I don't know if he was just flexing or if this arrangement is still running but, if it is, I respect it. I also wrote a living will myself back when I joined the army forbidding anyone from putting me on life support and ordering anyone with authority to pull the plug as soon as it starts looking like artificial life support and round the clock care might need to be permanent.

Screw nursing homes and screw this "modern family" nonsense. If you're going to take a shot at having a family, all power and fortune to you because it is a noble thing to do but I encourage you to do it right or reconsider and do your best to stay as healthy as you can for as long as you can so you never become vulnerable to being discarded. If you can avoid it, don't try having a family in the US or Canada. One way or another, kids are raised by villages. What tends to happen when the village sucks? For the sake of yourself and your kids, I recommend doing it in some other country that still has a soul if you can and raising them to value and protect that culture from the maladies and saboteurs that have compromised the US and Canada. I also recommend that you have kids with a girl who is down with rigid traditional gender roles so that the process of raising kids is as smooth and sane as possible. Most of the "screaming kids, toys on the floor, etc." is because mom is a "career woman" and there is no clear division of responsibility within the household or any help from extended family or other members of the community.

This is of course all assuming that you do not get divorced and are allowed to remain a significant part of your children's' lives. Again, do it outside of the US and Canada if you can. Having kids is a good thing to do but it is wise to consider carefully where and with whom you are doing it so as to maximize your odds of success.

Hopefully by the time we are all old most countries will allow us to self euthanize when we begin to fall apart.