[Waqqle]

So much great info. I really appreciate it guys. I don't want to be a spammer by making a bunch of different post for each individual reply so I'll try to hit all the points in this one:

It seems to be that nobody in their right mind would settle in Bradford so I've dropped it from the list. I have been a bit surprised to hear that Newcastle, Leeds, and Belfast are pretty good towns as it is contrary to things I've read online but that is the whole reason I asked this on the forum. I came into this not really considering Manchester but it's definitely on my radar now.

As for a car, how do insurance and licenses work in the UK? I imagine that this is a common issue for foreign students so is there some sort of informational or support program that exists to help someone like me navigate my way through it to make sure that I'm 100% legal? Also, is there decent train or bus infrastructure to take someone between cities if they can't or don't want to drive between them or is it just less stressful to get a car?

Very interesting stuff about Belfast and makes sense about the Irish Americans. Luckily I don't have any Irish in me that I know about so I should be good on that front. Is it still the case that the city is more or less segregated down the middle between Catholic Republicans and Protestant Loyalists or does nobody really care very much anymore?

I'm sort of glad that you guys have been talking me out of the small towns. I actually did not know that having a cathedral is what defines a city in the UK. I honestly do not even know what defines a city in the US but I think it is just down to population size. Now that I think about it, a bigger city is probably the smarter choice for me so I do not get too bored.

I am looking at cities first as opposed to universities first because I am going to use the GI Bill, which is a scholarship that you get after serving in the US military (most US military personnel enlist for this reason), and there is a list of approved British schools in the database. That list is over 170 schools long though so I figured I would narrow it by cities that I might enjoy being in for a year or more before I start applying and apply to maybe 10-12 unis. In the US, you have to apply to each uni separately and pay each one's application fee separately as well (they all have their own fee and some are as high as $150-200 - this is not admission, only application). From what I understand, the system is somehow different in the UK but I do not understand how the UK system for applying to unis works yet so I have just been approaching it more or less how I would with American unis.

As for the degree itself, I am planning to do an MA TESOL so the prestige of the school is not that important as most employers and administrative staff at institutions in other language-speaking countries do not know or care about the difference between Bath Spa and U of Birmingham. They just want to see that the degree is accredited and from the UK or another approved English-speaking country. At this time, according to the regulations of most countries where ESL money is decent, those countries are the US, UK, Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa.

The ranking system for universities actually works differently in my experience and observation. I actually never went to uni/college in the US and did all of my bachelor-level university education in Asia (which was absolutely awesome) and I noticed that in most Asian countries the rank of a university domestically usually differs greatly from its rank internationally. For example, if you have a degree from Ateneo de Manila or De la Salle in the Philippines, you will basically never be unemployed in SEA and, if you have a degree from 서울대 (Seoul National) or 연세 (Yonsei), you are basically in Korea's equivalent of the brahmin caste and will always have priority status until you die.

In the US though, nobody knows these schools despite the fact that their application rejection rates are usually higher than the Ivy League's. It's the same deal outside of the Anglosphere for the most part. The only potential employers who are going to have a clue about your school or program are the ones who just happened to have studied there and those people are so exceedingly rare that you will likely never be interviewed by one of them as they tend to be the children of elites who get funneled into high-level government jobs and other positions where they will never have to deal directly with you. The people you will actually have to deal with only want to be able to go onto the global degree mill database and see that your school is real and not listed there after they have made sure that your passport is real and your uni is actually based in the country they think it is as opposed to Westminster University in Tashkent or Stamford University in Bangkok.

Those two schools are both real by the way - and they are actually not bad at all. Check them out. A lot of times, you can even get away with this as they won't bother to check which Westminster you went to or notice that Stanford has an "n" and not an "m" because the Latin alphabet is probably not one that they are very comfortable and familiar with.

I am not sure what is considered "expensive" in the UK as I am from Atlanta (if anyone plans to visit there, feel free to ask me about it) and have never been to Europe yet unless you count the Russian Far East but, if possible, I do not want to need more than $2000-2500 USD (1600 - 2000 GPB) per month on living expenses and the cheaper the better. Saving money within reason is always good as long as it does not land me in the hood or some outskirt area so far away from campus that I lose 2 hours every day in commute.

What is the process for applying to universities in the UK like? I have read that it is different from the system in the US but I do not know much about how to go about it yet.

[Waqqle]

(12-07-2018 04:15 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

Not sure why Bienvenuto mentioned Sikhs... they are on our side, he probably meant Muslims.

Also, Manchester isn't anywhere as bad as made out by someone previously. Ask Constitution45, he visited me recently and was very impressed with it. If anything, it's becoming too upmarket for my tastes. Plus, as a student, not much beats it. It's also cosmopolitan so your tastes will be met.

Avoid Bradford like the plague. Sheffield, Liverpool, Oxford are all good shouts. Though American accents aren't super rare in Oxford. I think for your diversity requirements/American accent uniqueness, Manchester is your best bet. When you're here, give me a shout and I'll show you the sights.

I think he probably meant that as well. The Sikhs as a group have always seemed pretty relaxed to me.

Back in the city where I went to university for my bachelor's degree though, there were a couple of foreign nationalities who were known to be trouble makers with Pakistani muslims being at the top of the list because they often behaved in a pretty intimidating gang-like way and kept themselves segregated from everyone else. I got in a conflict once with one of them because he thought I was hitting on his cousin/fiancé who was a muslim Punjabi girl from Hong Kong (yes, really). I could hear doors slamming and shouting from up on my floor after I went up to my room (their room was below mine) and, to be away from them, I wound up moving to another apartment that was owned by a British expat who nodded his head and told me that he understood perfectly when I explained my situation to him as if he had seen and heard it all before. In the words of my Iranian friend and neighbor at the time, "I understand your situation. I tell you man, we live in our country right next to them, and I tell you man, they have fucking asshole culture." For some reason, that was one of the funniest things I heard anyone say the whole 4 years I was in university there.

The Papua New Guineans got group-banned from the whole club district of the city because they had a big drunken brawl one night - over some tribal issue as it was explained to me later - that ended with a lot of broken stuff and blood on the floor. I was there to see that one because I was involved with a Papuan girl at the time but I was sober and did not join in. They were generally great as long as they were sober but I did see a fistfight between one of them and another student from Nigeria that started because the Nigerian guy had begun dating one of the Papuan girls. I dated one of the other Papuan girls too as I mentioned though but it was never something anyone cared about so I suspect there was probably more to it than just that. That Papuan girl once tried to subtly talk me into buying her from her parents using pigs and seashells as a dowry, telling me that I would basically own her and she would have to do what I say - . They worked it out of their systems though and everything was fine after that.

Weirdly, the Iranians were among the coolest groups of people I met while in college. I must have met at least 50 of them and I never had a bad experience with any of them. They were super nice and relaxed. None of them had any deep connection to or love for the established order in Iran though they had all been in the military as you apparently cannot get a passport in Iran until after you have served in the military. They were overwhelmingly of the "we are not Iranian, we are Persian" sort and they were great fun to hang out with.

An Aussie guy I knew who was an amateur boxer got ganged up on and wound up knuckle-dusting 6 Sudanese guys (this was less than a year before South Sudan became a country and these guys were all from the north) in a club one night over a girl but that was the only time I heard of them really making trouble.

The Africans (Kenya, Nigeria, Tanzania, Uganda etc.) were lots of fun and there were some lookers among them. Same goes for the Nepalese. Best part was that you know everyone is clean because we all (foreign students) had to get tested for various diseases like HIV/AIDS as part of the student visa process.

___

Anyway, sorry to ramble. University was a fun time.

Machester does look like a pretty good option the more I look into it. I will definitely be sure to hit you up if/when I find myself there in Manchester and thanks very much for the offer.

[Kieran]

Manchester, Birmingham, Bristol or Leeds would be my picks off that list. Plenty of mixed race women in each of those, and pretty good cities to live in. Bristol and Leeds are much smaller but I don't think you'd be disappointed with either, Bristol is especially pleasant.

You really can't go wrong with Manchester, and Birmingham, despite it's reputation on the forum, is a pretty good city to live in as all the horror stories about a certain religion are a bit overblown as it pretty much stays within their own areas and the main student area is nowhere near them.

[zatara]

(12-07-2018 11:56 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

As for the degree itself, I am planning to do an MA TESOL so the prestige of the school is not that important as most employers and administrative staff at institutions in other language-speaking countries do not know or care about the difference between Bath Spa and U of Birmingham. They just want to see that the degree is accredited and from the UK or another approved English-speaking country. At this time, according to the regulations of most countries where ESL money is decent, those countries are the US, UK, Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa.

Other people are dealing with the nightlife, so I won't focus on that. But just on this note: I know you might think it just a box ticking exercise, but you should also absolutely consider the quality of your masters degree. Getting a masters from Cambridge will be massively more useful to you both intellectually and career wise than one from any university in Sheffield or Bradford. Its the American equivalent of having your local community college and Harvard on the same list of places to study - sure, quality of life in the city is an issue. But not when the academic quality gap is that large.

It mighn't matter where your qualification is to get your foot in the door in average or crappier places, but if you end up applying to better schools having a degree from Cambridge will definitely make a huge difference. And if you end up trying to go for managerial roles at any point it will also. Employers anywhere in the world will recognise Cambridge on your CV.

Bath/Manchester/Bristol/York would all be second tier universities, and the next best options. Any of the rest are garbage, academically.

[Foolsgo1d]

Leeds - Lots of nightlife, has Lacrosse teams for the MET, lots of slags with tight bodies. Only downer is a shitload of Pakistanis from Bradford and inside Leeds and most of them you wont like.

Manchester - Is becomming more expensive but plenty of bars & clubs. However the city suffers from one of the biggest knobhead problems outside of London and that includes patrons and bouncers. There is a big drug problem in that city and homelessness is increasing. Look no further than the main train stations to see homeless tent camps dotted around.

Birmingham - The accent is horrible, the city looks dire and on top of that you will be a minority as a white guy.

Sheffield - Dont bother.

Manchester or Leeds IMO.

[thedarkknight]

(12-08-2018 12:50 AM)Waqqle Wrote:  

(12-07-2018 04:15 PM)Teedub Wrote:  

Not sure why Bienvenuto mentioned Sikhs... they are on our side, he probably meant Muslims.

Also, Manchester isn't anywhere as bad as made out by someone previously. Ask Constitution45, he visited me recently and was very impressed with it. If anything, it's becoming too upmarket for my tastes. Plus, as a student, not much beats it. It's also cosmopolitan so your tastes will be met.

Avoid Bradford like the plague. Sheffield, Liverpool, Oxford are all good shouts. Though American accents aren't super rare in Oxford. I think for your diversity requirements/American accent uniqueness, Manchester is your best bet. When you're here, give me a shout and I'll show you the sights.

I think he probably meant that as well. The Sikhs as a group have always seemed pretty relaxed to me.

Back in the city where I went to university for my bachelor's degree though, there were a couple of foreign nationalities who were known to be trouble makers with Pakistani muslims being at the top of the list because they often behaved in a pretty intimidating gang-like way and kept themselves segregated from everyone else. I got in a conflict once with one of them because he thought I was hitting on his cousin/fiancé who was a muslim Punjabi girl from Hong Kong (yes, really). I could hear doors slamming and shouting from up on my floor after I went up to my room (their room was below mine) and, to be away from them, I wound up moving to another apartment that was owned by a British expat who nodded his head and told me that he understood perfectly when I explained my situation to him as if he had seen and heard it all before. In the words of my Iranian friend and neighbor at the time, "I understand your situation. I tell you man, we live in our country right next to them, and I tell you man, they have fucking asshole culture." For some reason, that was one of the funniest things I heard anyone say the whole 4 years I was in university there.

The Papua New Guineans got group-banned from the whole club district of the city because they had a big drunken brawl one night - over some tribal issue as it was explained to me later - that ended with a lot of broken stuff and blood on the floor. I was there to see that one because I was involved with a Papuan girl at the time but I was sober and did not join in. They were generally great as long as they were sober but I did see a fistfight between one of them and another student from Nigeria that started because the Nigerian guy had begun dating one of the Papuan girls. I dated one of the other Papuan girls too as I mentioned though but it was never something anyone cared about so I suspect there was probably more to it than just that. That Papuan girl once tried to subtly talk me into buying her from her parents using pigs and seashells as a dowry, telling me that I would basically own her and she would have to do what I say - . They worked it out of their systems though and everything was fine after that.

Weirdly, the Iranians were among the coolest groups of people I met while in college. I must have met at least 50 of them and I never had a bad experience with any of them. They were super nice and relaxed. None of them had any deep connection to or love for the established order in Iran though they had all been in the military as you apparently cannot get a passport in Iran until after you have served in the military. They were overwhelmingly of the "we are not Iranian, we are Persian" sort and they were great fun to hang out with.

An Aussie guy I knew who was an amateur boxer got ganged up on and wound up knuckle-dusting 6 Sudanese guys (this was less than a year before South Sudan became a country and these guys were all from the north) in a club one night over a girl but that was the only time I heard of them really making trouble.

The Africans (Kenya, Nigeria, Tanzania, Uganda etc.) were lots of fun and there were some lookers among them. Same goes for the Nepalese. Best part was that you know everyone is clean because we all (foreign students) had to get tested for various diseases like HIV/AIDS as part of the student visa process.

___

Anyway, sorry to ramble. University was a fun time.

Machester does look like a pretty good option the more I look into it. I will definitely be sure to hit you up if/when I find myself there in Manchester and thanks very much for the offer.

Typical Pakistanis in the UK.

TDK

[thedarkknight]

(12-08-2018 08:06 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Leeds - Lots of nightlife, has Lacrosse teams for the MET, lots of slags with tight bodies. Only downer is a shitload of Pakistanis from Bradford and inside Leeds and most of them you wont like.

Manchester - Is becomming more expensive but plenty of bars & clubs. However the city suffers from one of the biggest knobhead problems outside of London and that includes patrons and bouncers. There is a big drug problem in that city and homelessness is increasing. Look no further than the main train stations to see homeless tent camps dotted around.

Birmingham - The accent is horrible, the city looks dire and on top of that you will be a minority as a white guy.

Sheffield - Dont bother.

Manchester or Leeds IMO.

Whats wrong with Sheffield? I've never been. Just curious.

[Bienvenuto]

Bristol - I've lived there on and off for 4 years. A reasonable room in a house share should cost you around £500 a month.
(I imagine that Leeds, Newcastle etc. will be cheaper. )
Its only 300,000 or so in Bristol. Its an easy going town with lots going on. Big universities like Bristol and UWE are there. loads of students. Locals have a kind of 'country yokel' accent.
Very SJW on the Cheltenham/ Gloucester Road main student scene (Stokes Croft, Bear Pit etc) and then by turns very materialist and aspirational in the Clifton Triangle area where the Uni Campuses are.
Loads of foreign students and Spanish French migrant workers. Many of the Spanish are middle class kids forced to look abroad for work. They're not bad.. just don't use the hostels as they live unhygienically in the same beds for months on end and act like they're in little teenage gangs.

Bath is 30 mins by train away. They are neighbouring towns. You might like Bath for a year but its pretty small and the town scene is very mainstream/ middle class/ one dimensional.
Doesn't necessarily apply to the students though..

Its seen as a bit of a rite of passage for a lot of wealthy southerners to do 3 years at a Northern city where people are more relaxed and cheerful.

Sikhs.. no problem with Sikhs.. I can see the confusion.. but bear in mind that IF you were fully sold on niqabs, madrassas, female slave markets etc. THEN you would relish the opportunity to integrate with other, similar Muslims like yourself by pursuing race wars Against/With the local Sikhs - which is a thing in Birmingham.

Manchester has changed a lot it seems - I remember when Victoria Park you could buy a terraced house for £80,000 there - as there and Whalley Range were run down red light districts.

There's still issues in Manchester.
I'd be surprised if anyone wanted to go on record saying that Salford is all gentrified and that there is no threat of violent crime there.

My advice would be to stay out of the places I used to live in and frequent, Longsight, Gorton, Openshaw, Cheetham Hill, Moss Side, Hulme, Upper Chorlton Road and be very wary in places like Fallowfield, Withington, Didsbury which are nice as pie on the main roads but at night are still places for muggings and student bashing -which still continue.

Its different if you're a local.

My family have lived in the roughest parts of East Glasgow for generations and their lives are crime, drama and conflict free. Chinese Asylum seekers, on the other hand, have a habit of turning up stabbed by locals in the morning on the same road in the same neighbourhood.

In Manchester the life of the town goes from Didsbury to the Middle of Town along the Oxford Road corridor where most campuses and halls of residence are situated. Rusholme, the curry mile, is a muslim area that forms a major part of that. Shouldn't present any issues these days.

Maybe times have changed alot.. Back in 97 visitors to town were stabbed and bled to death in that area. I used to see pitched City/ united battles round the dole office in Rusholme and a guy I knew used to frequent the West Indian Sports and Social Club in rusholme. The same place where men tried to hold it up with guns and -had their guns taken off them -used against them -and were left outside on the road for the ambulance to collect.

Like I say maybe its all changed.
After all, that twat Bugsy Malone is now driving around in 'Grime' music videos dissing other well known thugs like 'Chipmunk' and pretending that he is hard.

Stay mindful of the risks and you could have a great time in Manchester - I think its actually the student capital of Europe.

Just bear in mind your course and how long you are there for.
If its a tough one year course your opportunities for Game and socialising will be massively reduced.
If it WAS a 3 year course I would recommend taking up a team sport and taking up drinking seriously as that is where some of the best times are to be had.

Even if it is just a year course but not too intense then I would still recommend doing the same as that is your gateway to some of the fittest women.
make up some medical bullshit to get you out of the heavy drinking if you have to but do it.
Wednesday afternoons are set aside for sports.
My lecturers in my BA and subsequent courses were very dismissive of that. But then they never experienced a Wednesday night at Pic 21's when all the sports teams of all the uni's descended on it.
Never went home with a hottie from the girls' hockey team who had an ass that just wouldn't quit..

No wonder those fuckers are so bitter and left wing.

[Kieran]

(12-09-2018 02:29 AM)Bienvenuto Wrote:  

Sikhs.. no problem with Sikhs.. I can see the confusion.. but bear in mind that IF you were fully sold on niqabs, madrassas, female slave markets etc. THEN you would relish the opportunity to integrate with other, similar Muslims like yourself by pursuing race wars Against/With the local Sikhs - which is a thing in Birmingham.

Lived in Birmingham most of my life and never really heard of this other than the occasional incident so don't let this put anyone off.

[Foolsgo1d]

(12-08-2018 08:17 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:06 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Leeds - Lots of nightlife, has Lacrosse teams for the MET, lots of slags with tight bodies. Only downer is a shitload of Pakistanis from Bradford and inside Leeds and most of them you wont like.

Manchester - Is becomming more expensive but plenty of bars & clubs. However the city suffers from one of the biggest knobhead problems outside of London and that includes patrons and bouncers. There is a big drug problem in that city and homelessness is increasing. Look no further than the main train stations to see homeless tent camps dotted around.

Birmingham - The accent is horrible, the city looks dire and on top of that you will be a minority as a white guy.

Sheffield - Dont bother.

Manchester or Leeds IMO.

Whats wrong with Sheffield? I've never been. Just curious.

Got all day?

- Intensely liberal
- Is not a safe city by any means but they keep going on about it
- Large migrant population

- Not many decent places to go for nights out. West street and some others outlying the city centre and thats it.
- Lots of idiot locals with attitude problems
- The city itself is shut in once bad weather descends on it unless they keep the motorway open but I was there once when they closed the damn thing
- South Yorkshire police - say no more
- There are better places

The countryside is fine but as a student you are in the urban jungle almost always. Its pretty good for pedestrians and easy to get about with the bus and train stations in close proximity. Both of them are next to Hallam University.

Meadowfield is the primary shopping centre outside of sheffield with a lot of other retail areas so looking for a job isn't too hard but again, you're competing with locals.

[thedarkknight]

(12-09-2018 01:37 PM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:17 AM)thedarkknight Wrote:  

(12-08-2018 08:06 AM)Foolsgo1d Wrote:  

Leeds - Lots of nightlife, has Lacrosse teams for the MET, lots of slags with tight bodies. Only downer is a shitload of Pakistanis from Bradford and inside Leeds and most of them you wont like.

Manchester - Is becomming more expensive but plenty of bars & clubs. However the city suffers from one of the biggest knobhead problems outside of London and that includes patrons and bouncers. There is a big drug problem in that city and homelessness is increasing. Look no further than the main train stations to see homeless tent camps dotted around.

Birmingham - The accent is horrible, the city looks dire and on top of that you will be a minority as a white guy.

Sheffield - Dont bother.

Manchester or Leeds IMO.

Whats wrong with Sheffield? I've never been. Just curious.

Got all day?

- Intensely liberal
- Is not a safe city by any means but they keep going on about it
- Large migrant population

- Not many decent places to go for nights out. West street and some others outlying the city centre and thats it.
- Lots of idiot locals with attitude problems
- The city itself is shut in once bad weather descends on it unless they keep the motorway open but I was there once when they closed the damn thing
- South Yorkshire police - say no more
- There are better places

The countryside is fine but as a student you are in the urban jungle almost always. Its pretty good for pedestrians and easy to get about with the bus and train stations in close proximity. Both of them are next to Hallam University.

Meadowfield is the primary shopping centre outside of sheffield with a lot of other retail areas so looking for a job isn't too hard but again, you're competing with locals.

Lol south yorkshire police ahaha

TDK

[Conquerer7]

For a young guy that is a student or young professional, Glasgow has the right mixture of everything. I love Edinburgh aswell. I love that my accent has also been voted the sexiest around the world and in America https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/glasw...nn0jltx5s. It's got many girls intrigued around the UK and Europe travelers and locals alike. This post is great aswell for you to read thread-28826-page-2.html.

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I've lived in Scotland for 27 years, though I'd bet only my last 10 would be of interest since I'm 27 years old. It's not a naivete thing either, I have travelled as often as possible, collected flags in different countries, although I've never worked in any other country.

For the last 3 years scotland has been a paradise for me, there is always so much going on. Glasgow is a UNESCO city of music so there are dozens of gigs, club nights, parties, social dances, jazz nights, cocktail tasting events, and all kinds of insanity every day of the week. Those of you who have been in Rejavik Iceland on a staurday night and thought it ressembled a mosh pit should see how crazy Glasgow is on any given day if you hit the right club. Hell, ask Courage Reborn what Bamboo was like on a random Sunday. I've built a solid relationship with many bar staff, pr guys, bouncers, and DJs over the last decade(admitedly mostly at a rock club which I try to avoid now). Small things like guest list and queue skip have a dramatic impact on your happiness when you head to a club. I have one solid wing, and he has 3 or 4 friends who are good men (though not game guys). Glasgow nightlife surpasses anything I've seen anywhere in the world, you can, and a lot of people do, head out 7 nights a week collecting upwards of thirty numbers(and pulls, if you bother to count kisses) and getting a snl or two. I actually think I could do better but with life being so good and me having a stable harem you don't have the same impetus to close girls.

I am a third year at university and have 7 hours of class a week, although I do a lot of revision in my own time. Studying and learning is a joy though, as everyone on this board should know, personal improvement is the best way you can spend your time. Outside of class I split my time between 3 university societies, all of which are packed with young, and usually drunken, girls. We do weekly trips to various clubs or pubs and hooking up seems to be the norm. Recently I've noticed a couple of the thirstier looking dudes white knighting or bitching guys out for 'taking advtange' but thus far they've steered well clear of me, though it might be cause I have some 8 years of age on them. Just as an aside my wing buddy absolutely fell overhimself laughing when I fucked an 18 year old who then revealed she had a boyfriend, she cancelled a date with me saying 'sorry, I have a boyfriend, I don't want to lead you on and make you think things are going to go any further than they already have', I wish every flake was that funny. Saw her recently at a society event and she was very flirtatious, basically playing footsie with me infront of the others. I think the society angle might have dminishing returns though, eventually the other girls will know you are working your way through them. On the other hand showing up to a club with 20 young university girls doesn't half make you social proof.

People in Glasgow are incredibly friendly and open. If you roll solo to a pub or a club(harder to do in the student clubs, bouncers get twitchy if they don't know you) it's actually difficult to stay by yourself. If you look around the bar people will say hey, or ask why you're alone. Suffice to say opening scottish girls verbally is a joy, dance game can be trickier here. Scottish folk love a chat, love craic, any kind of sarcastic humor will go over great(At worst you'll get a girl calling you cheeky). This isn't to say blow outs and harsh rejections don't happen here, just that there is a culture of chat and craic. It's similar to Ireland where you'll get folk saying randomly cheeky but humorous things to strangers. It's hard to give an example since it's actually completely random chat... I recently witnessed a bus driver asking two women if they were sisters, when the girls said yes he said 'Then where the hell is cinderella?' much to the guffawing of the passengers. There was also a time me and my friends decided to 'suit up' for a guys brithday. As always happens whenever you get about 5 or 6 men doing something it creates a wave effect and suddenly everyone joins in. We headed out to the cathouse(a rock club) with roughly 30 guys in suits, now the catty holds roughly 800 people so while we didn't dominate the club we were incredibly noticible as we were dancing and chatting in this massive group of well dressed men. At one point in the night as I went to the bathroom I walked in to see 3 of my friends at the urinal, 3 chatting at the sink(weird to you american but scots really like to chat) and 2 in the queue for the john. With 9 guys in suits all in the bathroom I turned to the door as some random (unsuited) punter walks in and say 'Sorry mate, you can't use this bathroom, you're too under dressed.' The guy apologised and starts walking out as everyone in the toilet starts cracking up. This culture and acceptance of strangers making jokes or chatting to each other translates very well into game. Everything that Roosh put in bang, which I'll omit here but buy the damn book page 25 to 28, about club and bar specific openers works incredibly well here. Hell you can even use pua type bullshit to decent effect if you have a grin that makes it obvious you're fucking with them. Escalation and everything else the same as elsewhere but for verbal opening Scotland is brilliant.

When it comes to talent Scotland is a mixed bag. The top end is the prettiest I've seen, red hair, blues eyes, and pale skin is a lethal combination on a girl. The average is lower than I've seen elsewhere but unless you're hitting on every girl randomly you won't get stuck with the fat busted chicks. Venue selection in important with the larger clubs having no face control the average and indeed gender balance can get bad. The hip hop clubs have the best looking girls(Karbon, Cushion, and Bamboo) but are way more dependent on your looks, if you are 6ft tall and dress well, or if you are black, these are the clubs for you. Rugby players from the universities only go to these clubs because having a powerful build guarantees a lot of top end female attention here, cave man game plays well, this is Fisto's place... Not to say smaller white dudes should avoid these spots, but you should maybe hug the bar and use your chat. Second in quality is the student clubs, Viper, Abc(specifically on thursdays and fridays), and any union. Third are the massive clubs and specialty clubs, the Garage, cathouse, buff club, black friars club, and subclub, these clubs always have top end girls but in lower numbers and with a trending to fat chick average, however they are also the easiest to get laid in. Finally if you are dying to get your flag hit the lower tier places, Jumping jacks, the savoy centre(aka the swav sav), 30+(for you older players), Replay, Tunnel, and way too many more to list. If you are looking to fuck neds(chavs) then this is your spot, low class girls, busted violent thuggish men. Bring a friend and don't get too drunk and you'll out swoop every dude in the place.

For finance I work two days a week, for 18 hours total, which scores me £650 a month(roughly 1k dollars). In addition I recieve £250 bursary(free money I don't pay back) for studying and recieve a student loan of £8k a year(money I pay back if my wage is high enough). This brings in my Income to roughly £22k a year(35k dollars), with some of it being a loan I don't need to pay back until I earn 18K a year in pure wage. I got out a minimum of 3 times a week (sunday, monday, and thursday) and arrange dates with my harem on another three nights while keeping one day to myself to take care of business. Cost of living varies greatly, renting a flat to yourself in a perfect local might set you back £500 a month. If you are willing to share a flat with 1 or 2 other people and just want great, but not perfect, logistics you have get by on 200 to 350 a month rent. Just as an example http://www.citylets.co.uk/property-rent/...-g4-19963/ has great logistics and will cost 450 to have a flat to yourself, http://www.citylets.co.uk/property-rent/...g4-135329/ also has great logistics and will cost £275 to share a flat with someone. When I say great logstics I mean 10 mins walk to the west end(students and young uns) and a 10 minute walk to the city centre(every kind of girl). Food in cheap if you cook yourself, chicken is £10 for a kilo(2.2lb's), veg is roughly £1 for 500 grams, coffee is a quid or so. My food bill comes in under £25 a month if I cook all my own meals, though I basically eat grilled meat and veg, sometimes with pasta. I worked out my expenses once if anyone is really interested I could make up a spreadsheet. Alcohol (yay) varies from spot to spot, top end cocktails can cost £7(boteco de brazil thurs-sat, mini bar, butterfly andf pig, etc), bottom end cocktails can cost 99p(mosula, garage, Bamboo). Depends on the place you hit, for pubs you're looking at £2-3 a pint/whisky and £1.5-2.50 for a spirit and mix. If you hit the cheapest spots in glasgow: Driftwood, unions, garage, and etc, you are looking at 90p a vodka/rum/schnapps and mix, with 1.25 whiskys. Black hack Taxi's(the ones you can wave down in the street) will start at 2.60 off peak, 4.50 at peak. At top peak it's 40p every 20 second you're in the taxi, at bottom it;s 10p every 20 seconds. From one side of the city to the other it'll cost roughly 12 to 14 pounds. Private higher taxis for the same journey will be roughly 8 to 10. If you are in the right location you'll never need a taxi. Clothes are cheap, even nice designer gear can be got at discount prices if you hit the right places (tk max, designer warehouses and depots.). If you want a fitted suit from somewhere really nice you can blow a few grand if that's what you're in to. A starbucks short cappucino costs £1.60, if you are dinking anything else from starbucks you probably don't care about expense or value anyway. Fine dining ranges from your usual take aways, mcdonalds, kebab shops, chip shops for roughly £2 to £4 for the least healthy and most delcious food you'll try in your life, the more ambitously self-destructive among you should hunt down the deep fried mars bar and chips. Low end and studenty restaurants will cost £6 to £10 a meal with a drink, buffets will range from £6 to £12 without a drink, top end restaurants(cornershop bar and grill, butchershop grill, etc) will put you back £40 for a top end meal or £20 for their cheaper options with a drink. Gyms are £16 to £32pm membership, pure gyms in town are 24hours which is cool. Student gyms are £50 to £60 for the year. Those of you training mma can do gracie jiujtsu for £7 a class or £55 a month with there being roughly 16 classes a week, or join the Griphouse for £50 a month/£5 a class which has boxing, kick boxing, wrestling, jiujistu, mma, and all other kinds of crap. Plenty of every kind of sport and hobbies going as well.

For hobbies I socially dance every monday, wednesday, and occasional other days for events and gigs. I hit the gym every monday, wednesday, and friday. Both of these can be passive sources of girls, usually I insta-date beginners or tourists, or invite girls I've met in the club to a beginners class followed by drinks. I have been dancing ever since I read the dance game thread here http://www.rooshvforum.network/thread-5002.html and as with all things I work incredibly hard at it, vastly improving in the small amount of time I've be practicing. So much so I've been asked to teach a couple of classes and do a few months of paid performances at smaller venues. The value that being a top dancer gives you is incredible, it's the closest to fame game I've experienced.

I always run a firm harem of girls who pass the binary and provide value. One of the things I disagree with on the forum is that for harem you should aim for top end girls(as in top end looks), I think for ONS you should aim top end girls, but for harem your goal should be top end value. Girls should be buying you food, drinks, rubbing you back, cutting you hair, and a providing a myriad of different servces that you deem valuable. Right now I have three girlfriends, one of which knows about my lifestyle, two of which don't. Glasgow is a bit of a village so getting caught out is a harzard, but since I don't really care so I get away with crazy crap. This week I have hooked up Sunday(notch), Monday(harem), Tuesday(harem), and turned a girl down Wednesday so I could go to the casino with a balla friend, I've gymed it Monday and Wednesday, done social dancing Monday, Tuesday, and Wednesday, went for a pint in the student union with a society tuesday, went ice skating with social dance girls today, and I'm now about to start getting ready to hit ABC with the balla from yesterday and my trusty wing. I'd say it's been a good week, but every week is awesome here.

This has started to turn into a data sheet where really I just wanted to expand on why I love where I live. A lot of what I've written here is exclusive to my circumstances, age, being at university, having a decent part time job. However every man here is capable of building his own version of what I do, passive streams of girls from sport, hobbies, study groups(join a damn language group or group hobby that includes girls), direct streams of random ons from hitting pubs and clubs with a solid group of wing's while having an 'in' with staff at your venues, and constant regular harem members who provide vaule to your life. I would of course suggest Glasgow as being the best place on earth to do so, but unless you have the same thirst and tastes as I do you may prefer elsewhere. To get this post back on track I am incredibly happy and sometimes outright elated with where I live.

[Macumazahn]

If you like oriental girls, Liverpool attracts a lot of far eastern students.

My wife works in the student/university area of the city. On occasion, we meet straight from work and go out. I feel like I am in Singapore or Hong Kong in some pubs.

[Scott]

Have you decided yet OP?

If not, throw in another vote for Manchester or Leeds. Manchester is more expensive, but is a lot better for general events the various districts hold (good times to meet people) and has better mass transit options.

[Marmite]

(12-10-2018 08:14 AM)Macumazahn Wrote:  

If you like oriental girls, Liverpool attracts a lot of far eastern students.

My wife works in the student/university area of the city. On occasion, we meet straight from work and go out. I feel like I am in Singapore or Hong Kong in some pubs.

Liverpool has the largest China town / Chinese community in the UK outside of London. University of Liverpool also has direct ties with a Chinese university, so there are lots of Chinese students coming over every year.

Plenty of Eastern Europeans too, though probably no more than any other large city in the UK.

[N°6]

This map is a bit old now but relevant :

https://goo.gl/images/x8UiaE

Bristol and the SW really is a cockfest. I used to live there. In fact it’s what drove me to PUA as I was fresh off the boat from France. I had my Toronto experience here, but became a bit blackpilled when I saw many frumpy fives with gym bros. There is a subtle but tangible feeling of desperate thirst from the population of surplus men.

[Waqqle]

Sorry for the late reply here, everyone. This weekend was a bit on the weird side (got my Mexican flag). I really appreciate all the advice and info.

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Regarding crime and such, I did suspect that there was some level of ghettoization in the sense that most of the crime is probably localized in certain neighborhoods. That is how it tends to be in Atlanta and other American cities I have been to as well. I actually got picked up by the police (who were all black) for being suspicious (white) in an all-black neighborhood in a small town in Georgia about 2-3 hours from where I grew up that I was in because my mom was doing some kind of training for nurses in town and she had dropped me off on main street (read: the only street) where there was a railroad track that marked the line between the white part of town and the black part.

They were checking me out because I was quite literally on the wrong side of the tracks. They were not mean to me or anything but did pat me down, take me to the station in the back of a patrol car, and then drop me off far from where I was picked up in the boonies in the parking lot of a retirement home whose staff would not let me enter to use the phone because they had just seen me get dropped off by a police car. I think they were nice to me mainly because I was polite. Most ass whoopings involving the police begin with someone attempting to engage them in a hostile and aggressive manner.

My dad (who is white) actually called me while I was being patted down with my hands on the hood of the car so the officer (who was black) opened my phone and, after talking for a bit, they both started laughing. My parents both grew up in rural Louisiana and my dad is old enough to remember his school being de-segregated so he knew what was up but I was not in on the joke just yet so I was still a little worried. It was a pretty funny situation over all, everyone got a story out of it, and I managed to leave that poe-dunk town without being stabbed (the police were responding to a call they had gotten about a white boy who was about to die - I was the only one so it was assumed that I was the alleged white boy) or getting my ass kicked by the police.

After being refused entry into the nursing home, I spent the rest of the day walking along the side of a rural road after leaving the retirement home parking lot in search of some way to contact my parents (I was in high school at the time). I wound up just sitting at a Popeye's chicken joint after getting bored with walking along that road with the sun bearing down on me and the invisible slide guitar in the background playing my new theme song. By some coincidence, my mom happened to drive by that place and saw me.

Louisville, Georgia. Check it out sometime when you're in the area. Nice place.

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Also related to crime, what is "drill rap?"

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Out of curiosity, what is the protocol in the UK for dealing with a violent attacker? I don't mean if some guy with a knife demands your wallet (the money in the wallet is not worth it) but, say, if there is some tweaker blasted out of his mind who thinks you are an alien trying to abduct him lunges at you with a knife. How is that dealt with legally? If, God forbid, I should find myself in such a situation, what is the best legal way to get myself out of it?

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Regarding housing and living costs: Ok, £500 a month for a room does not seem too bad as long as it is in a convenient location. Do most university students in the UK rent rooms in shared houses with other students or do they typically have individual apartments? Or is there some other system that I do not know about?

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As I understand it, northern towns in the UK tend to be rougher and poorer while southern cities tend to be more affluent and safe. Is this generally the case?

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Sikhs have never given me any grief that I can remember so I have no reason to take issue with them. How are the Sikh women? Do they commonly date out?

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Will I probably be able to tell if I am wandering into a bad part of town? Do the bad parts look noticeably different from the safe parts?

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From reading on this forum, I am getting the impression that Glasgow is better than Edinburgh in terms of lifestyle. Are these two cities very different?

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I have managed to narrow my list quite a bit and now it will just be a matter of applying to schools and seeing which ones accept me. The cities on my list now are:

Leeds
Liverpool (Chinatown is always nice)
Manchester (Hearing good things)
Birmingham (I am used to being a minority and don't mind it as long as I don't get trouble)
Bristol (I like that Bath is so close by train but is it truly a cockfest? I would very much like to avoid cockfests if at all possible.)
Newcastle (Near Durham which could be a nice place for day trips?)
Glasgow
Edinburgh
Belfast (Would this be the cheapest of the given options?)

Maybe I should make a poll for this.

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Game note in case it makes a difference: Personally, I am not a hard partier or hard drinker and I tend to lean heavily on daygame. I do not like dating websites or apps and avoid them whenever possible. As far as finding women is concerned, I'm more inclined to pick them up in libraries, malls, and parks than bars or clubs. I will go out to a bar or club every now and then if I am meeting a friend or something but it is not a mainstay of my process. The main reasons for this is that I like to keep my sleep schedule as consistent as possible and that I have traditionally found far more success with daygame as opposed to clubs and bars (where I have found that most women are just attention seeking). I will not look down on any guy who does well in clubs and bars, it just is not really my strong suit unless the club in question is a salsa club or something like that.

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@zatara: Understood and fair point. Ideally, I would prefer to get into the best university that I can afford but I'm intending to apply to a number of schools so as not to put all of my eggs in one basket in case that basket should lose a wheel.

@Bienvenuto: Are the Chinese asylum seekers in Glasgow Uyghurs, Tibetans, Falun Gong people, Christians, or dissidents? Would I as a foreigner probably be fine in the affordable parts of Glasgow as long as I am polite to everyone or would I be likely to catch a beating from some enthusiastic fans of a local football club in front of a kebab stand at some point during my stay?

@Scott: I'm a lot closer than I was when I first made the thread so progress has definitely been made and I've learned a lot of interesting stuff.

[Waqqle]

(12-11-2018 01:43 AM)N°6 Wrote:  

This map is a bit old now but relevant :

https://goo.gl/images/x8UiaE

Bristol and the SW really is a cockfest. I used to live there. In fact it’s what drove me to PUA as I was fresh off the boat from France. I had my Toronto experience here, but became a bit blackpilled when I saw many frumpy fives with gym bros. There is a subtle but tangible feeling of desperate thirst from the population of surplus men.

I love maps. Is there a place where I can find a current version of this one that I can zoom into?

[Teedub]

(12-11-2018 01:51 AM)Waqqle Wrote:  

Also related to crime, what is "drill rap?"

Out of curiosity, what is the protocol in the UK for dealing with a violent attacker? I don't mean if some guy with a knife demands your wallet (the money in the wallet is not worth it) but, say, if there is some tweaker blasted out of his mind who thinks you are an alien trying to abduct him lunges at you with a knife. How is that dealt with legally? If, God forbid, I should find myself in such a situation, what is the best legal way to get myself out of it?

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Regarding housing and living costs: Ok, £500 a month for a room does not seem too bad as long as it is in a convenient location. Do most university students in the UK rent rooms in shared houses with other students or do they typically have individual apartments? Or is there some other system that I do not know about?

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As I understand it, northern towns in the UK tend to be rougher and poorer while southern cities tend to be more affluent and safe. Is this generally the case?

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Sikhs have never given me any grief that I can remember so I have no reason to take issue with them. How are the Sikh women? Do they commonly date out?

Will I probably be able to tell if I am wandering into a bad part of town? Do the bad parts look noticeably different from the safe parts?

1) Drill rap is a form of grime music (hip hop mixed with British speed garage, kind of) popularised recently by black gangs in London. Lyrics are about killing other gang members. It's very visceral and a lot of the groups are treading a line between being rappers and actual criminals. Many drill rap groups are actually banned.

2) That is such a weird scenario I can't possibly answer it!

3) Yes, most students live in shared houses with other students. There might be the odd young professional living there also who previously graduated, but that's not typical.

4) Sort of, but the only crime that happens with any kind of frequency (and still hardly ever) in student areas is burglary (and drug dealing - but no gang stuff). The 'North is rougher' idea is true in certain regards, but as a foreigner you wouldn't notice it. These things are very subtle and you have to be British to notice the accent changes within regions for example. There are different accents within the same city, I'm not sure that's unique to Britain, but I imagine it's rare for a country so small in landmass.

5) Sikhs cause no problem. I haven't met enough of the women to tell you that, but probably if you're white and middle class then yeah sometimes. Some Hindu girls do at least, that's all I'm basing it on.

6) Yeah they have a different vibe, but again as a foreigner you might not pick up on this. You'll also not go to them. You'll go to immigrant areas for curries and kebabs etc, but that doesn't automatically equal bad. Usually just poor. Poor 'outer-city' white areas are usually much rougher than inner-city Pakistani areas, but you won't encounter those housing estates. I'm only talking about my own experiences in the North West. The only city I've felt scared in as an adult is Birmingham, but that's probably some prejudice on my part because I'm simply not used to that level of working class/underclass non-white people being around me. Funnily enough, I didn't feel scared in Croydon though, and some people describe that place as a hellhole.

[Waqqle]

(12-11-2018 10:33 AM)Teedub Wrote:  

(12-11-2018 01:51 AM)Waqqle Wrote:  

1) Drill rap is a form of grime music (hip hop mixed with British speed garage, kind of) popularised recently by black gangs in London. Lyrics are about killing other gang members. It's very visceral and a lot of the groups are treading a line between being rappers and actual criminals. Many drill rap groups are actually banned.

2) That is such a weird scenario I can't possibly answer it!

3) Yes, most students live in shared houses with other students. There might be the odd young professional living there also who previously graduated, but that's not typical.

4) Sort of, but the only crime that happens with any kind of frequency (and still hardly ever) in student areas is burglary (and drug dealing - but no gang stuff). The 'North is rougher' idea is true in certain regards, but as a foreigner you wouldn't notice it. These things are very subtle and you have to be British to notice the accent changes within regions for example. There are different accents within the same city, I'm not sure that's unique to Britain, but I imagine it's rare for a country so small in landmass.

5) Sikhs cause no problem. I haven't met enough of the women to tell you that, but probably if you're white and middle class then yeah sometimes. Some Hindu girls do at least, that's all I'm basing it on.

6) Yeah they have a different vibe, but again as a foreigner you might not pick up on this. You'll also not go to them. You'll go to immigrant areas for curries and kebabs etc, but that doesn't automatically equal bad. Usually just poor. Poor 'outer-city' white areas are usually much rougher than inner-city Pakistani areas, but you won't encounter those housing estates. I'm only talking about my own experiences in the North West. The only city I've felt scared in as an adult is Birmingham, but that's probably some prejudice on my part because I'm simply not used to that level of working class/underclass non-white people being around me. Funnily enough, I didn't feel scared in Croydon though, and some people describe that place as a hellhole.

1) I never really understood gangster rap. Not from a musical standpoint but from a practical one. If a rapper were an actual criminal and even half of the stuff in the lyrics of a typical gangster rap song were true, would it not be incredibly foolish to write songs about it? It always just seemed like an invitation for the police to throw the offending rapper in the slammer using his own lyrics as a literary confession. And, if they are not in prison, would that not be proof that the stuff in their lyrics is not true as, if it were, they would likely be incarcerated? Then would they not lose credibility?

2) That's a good sign. If that scenario is so rare and outlandish as to be considered too weird for comment in the UK then I think I'll probably be alright. I'm not from a particularly rough area myself (we had a few thugs and burglars in the neighborhood but nothing crazy) but that is the sort of thing I have always been worried about encountering when moving into a new city. If a city has organized crime or something but they mostly keep to themselves and I can just not get involved with them, then I can manage that. It's the whackos, indiscriminate drive-by shootings, tweakers, and other things like that are cause for concern because they are less predictable and can't be reasoned with. Luckily, I have been able to avoid all of that so far so I have a good winning streak going.

3) Cool. That sounds like it could be fun as long as my housemates are not slobs. Is that a common thing to have to deal with? How do you vet a place and housemates before moving in to make sure that they will not be slobs or otherwise difficult to live with?

4) I understand what you mean. Sounds sort of like how, when you start hearing ebonics on the street in the US, you know that you have likely entered a significantly more dangerous part of town than the one you just left.

Way back, I heard of a position opening up with the local city government in Atlanta for an Ebonics-English interpreter. Not sure if that job would be hilarious or depressing. The job: https://abcnews.go.com/US/wanted-ebonics...d=11462206

I think you are right about the linguistic diversity in the UK though and I do not think that ebonics or the regional accents in the US and Canada really approach the same level despite the much larger size of the countries themselves and the much larger distances between major population centers. I don't know of another country where so many variants of the same language are spoken within the borders of a country of the UK's size. It's actually pretty cool as it contributes to giving each region its own very distinct character but they are not so physically spread apart that it is prohibitively inconvenient and expensive to visit them.

5) Interesting. I'll have to look into that more.

6) Makes sense. I remember my parents telling me when I was a kid that there is a big difference between an "ethnic neighborhood" and a "crack neighborhood." Sounds like a similar principle. I've gone into some clearly bad neighborhood and, luckily, I've found that being polite and respectful gets you out of trouble most of the time. It is good to know that those rougher areas are mostly on the outskirts though as it means that, like you said, I probably will not wander into them unless I am trying to for some reason.

Drugs cause a lot fo the problems and some of those drugs, like krokodil, meth, and crack, are terrifying. In Florida a few years back, there was one guy on bath salts who attacked a homeless dude and ate his face right off his face. He was so crazed that he could not be subdued and the police had to put him down right there. https://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/face-eati...d=16470389

Also, that's an interesting video from the BBC. Usually I do not like the BBC but this looks like a documentary series that I could get into.

[Waqqle]

I have been doing a lot of research and I think I have my plan for this pretty well worked out now. I really appreciate all the advice and info. It helped a ton and made the process of figuring things out a great deal easier than I think it would have been if I had been trying to stumble through it all entirely on my own.

So I just want to say thank you to all of you guys and I hope that you are all having a great time wherever you are at the moment!

[Praetor Lupus]

I would say that an advantage of being based in Manchester, Leeds or Liverpool is that they're located so close together that you can quickly nip for a visit or a night out between them.

I've never been a uni student so can't comment on the student scene, only that I pass a huge number of students in Manchester, as it's the closest to me. But in terms of general quality, I'm a big fan of Liverpool and almost obsessive over Leeds.

I like Birmingham a lot but it's further away. Mind you, by North American standards, it's probably just a short hop. I've been to Bristol twice, not enough to have a proper opinion on it. When I get more money rolling in, I'll be spending more time there.

[hv123]

(12-16-2018 03:26 PM)Waqqle Wrote:  

I have been doing a lot of research and I think I have my plan for this pretty well worked out now. I really appreciate all the advice and info. It helped a ton and made the process of figuring things out a great deal easier than I think it would have been if I had been trying to stumble through it all entirely on my own.

So I just want to say thank you to all of you guys and I hope that you are all having a great time wherever you are at the moment!

PM me if you need any specific advice about how it works getting a car and stuff like that, if you need to.