Quote: (11-19-2018 01:01 PM)tugofpeace Wrote:
See the thing is, I understand all of this from a hookup standpoint. I just don't get it for relationships. What I see most of the time is that the vast majority of guys out there are beta, and the women they settle down with usually aren't the stereotypical women who fuck alphas their entire lives and settle with a beta. They're just normal women.
What this forum preaches is that women will only settle with alpha males and that if you're not one of them, you'll basically be a MGTOW type person and be alone your entire life. I don't question that if you're not part of the 20%, it will be difficult to get laid, but I don't believe that you have to be part of the 20% to settle down.
As for the "Chad" theory, I don't doubt that it's easy for them, as my roommate was as Chad as a Chad could get. I've seen it first hand, and this was before dating apps. Thing is, even he settled down and he's dating a girl who's physically a 5-6, but she makes a lot of $ and probably has a great personality. This type of person really is extremely rare though. I think it's blown way out of proportion.
Behavioral analysis backed up by statistics:
When men seek easy, no-strings sex, they lower their physical beauty standards.
When they are looking for a girlfriend or wife, they raise their physical beauty standards.
When women seek easy, no-strings sex, they raise their physical beauty standards.
When they are looking for a boyfriend or a husband, they lower their physical beauty standards.
Men who are looking for "plates" or to set up a "harem" or whatever (basically low-investment sex) will need to focus on their immediate attractiveness. That means, to a large extent, physical attractiveness and the type of game that gets you easy sex.
Men who want a girlfriend can focus on developing themselves in other ways. This would include expanding one's social circle, which is, in my opinion, the best way to date up.
That doesn't negate game or self-improvement in other areas. It merely recognizes that women looking for different things are, well, looking for different things.
And, I disagree with your assessment of the Alpha settle arrangement. First, I don't think most of the guys on the forum would say that. Second, in my experience, most women beyond a certain age and a certain IQ realize the folly in seeking out "Alphas" for a long-term relationship. I dislike the Alpha/Beta dichotomy, as it has been explained so many ways now that it has almost become useless. But, assume in this case that by "Alpha" I am talking about the DGAF Chad character.
Quote: (11-19-2018 01:20 PM)BadBoyGamer Wrote:
Not all woman fuck around like whores. Most do not! Most do not even get a chance. Most girls be lucky to once in her life be fucked by an Alpha. However, do not be fooled either. This good conservative Christian girl can very easy decide to ride an Aplha cock or two. And you will NEVER EVER know about it.
They are just normal woman. Just normal people. And people do all kinds of things.
I don't think a lot of guys who absorb game material but don't practice it (or at least observe it) get that. There are, in fact, quite attractive girls who live boring, fairly sexless lives. They don't club. They aren't out every weekend. They might even avoid social media (shocking). Further, even the girls who are sexually active often have a "lower" sexual partner count (1-3).
We focus on the shiny, moving objects. The slut with her top off dancing on a table draws the eye much more than her shy friend who is drinking a ginger ale in the corner.
Quote: (11-19-2018 02:39 PM)Lunostrelki Wrote:
I think it's more that in an unregulated sexual environment (which society as a whole has been moving toward since the 1950s), women are naturally inclined to be the non-exclusive partner of a top-20 percent man, rather than be exclusive with a lower-80 percenter. Because the culture of marriage still exists to a large extent, we don't see this actually play out in reality.
But marriage is being rapidly delegitimized by modern society (i.e. feminists and soulless corporate masterminds), so as Dasein mentions, it's common for normal women to cheat for a chance to be with a top 20er, even if it's obviously going to be a temporary and destructive arranegment. I remember reading a few days ago about such a middle-aged man with children who had a seemingly reserved and normal wife. She found a much younger man and they hit it off over texting, talking enthusiastically about sex-related stuff that she never did with her husband. Husband found out and they divorced; he got custody of kids. A year later, the ex-wife broke up with her boyfriend (surprise surprise).
Women can be as stupid as moths flying into streetlamps and burning themselves. Marriage and strong families protect women from their own stupidity, yet today's girls are the ones most eager to tear down those structures of male oppression.
This is the actual issue. If a guy ever wants to settle down, and it appears that most men do, the damage done to marriage is one of the biggest issues facing our culture(s). In societies that dismiss (or never develop) the concept of enforced monogamous pairing, polygyny is the standard model. As can be seen in some of the Middle East and Africa, polygyny is a horrible system for most men. When you have a large cohort of unsexed men hanging around with nothing to do, you get... bad things.